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ARGH! Sick of being stereotyped!

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Just watching the news,and its not the first time this has been on about young drivers. I think, at 22 im possibly classed as a younger driver, but, what makes me less compitant than anyone else! … Read More
Joshanna Avatar
1d, 6m agoPosted 1 decade, 6 months ago
Just watching the news,and its not the first time this has been on about young drivers.
I think, at 22 im possibly classed as a younger driver, but, what makes me less compitant than anyone else!

I have great road experience, when i was 17 i got a moped, had that for about a year.
Then, i was quite lazy, and didnt think id pass my theory test, so had driving lessons for a year and a half :shock:

There now talking about bringing in new measures for younger drivers, and want to impose a curfew and the number of passengers allowed to travel in your car.

Im sorry, but im really miffed off by this, i pay my road tax,and insurance like everyone else who isnt so "young", there quite happy to take that from me but them impose conditions on it, dont think so!
Its bad enough that were on probabtion for 2 years!

I dont drive stupidly as it is as
1) My car aint all that, and wouldnt let me anyway!
2) I have my young son in the car, am i going to risk it?

Im sorry, but im REALLY fed up of all these young lads in car parks giving grief for the rest of us, the coppers need to do more about this, after all, can we all be classed as one of them?

I just feel like a big moan about it, as things arent fair!
I had to do alot more to pass my test than people like 20 years ago, when my mum did her test she didnt do a theory test.
And, when my neighbour took his test, he didnt do a single manouvre or reverse, let alone any theory! It was all based on his driving.
So why should i be penalised :-(

Ok, rant over!
Joshanna Avatar
1d, 6m agoPosted 1 decade, 6 months ago
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#1
You female driver, texting complete rubbish as shes driving, taking photo's of things while shes driving, spitting on a hankercheif and wiping baby while shes driving.

Tsk! and you wonder! :-D
#2
that was rude grdesign
lol
#3
grdesign
You female driver, texting complete rubbish as shes driving, taking photo's of things while shes driving, spitting on a hankercheif and wiping baby while shes driving.

Tsk! and you wonder! :-D

Your a fine one to talk!
Im quite sure you do worse things when your driving!

:|

Do you have proof of the above, as i think your lying :thumbsup:
#4
Remember the young lady who was caught trying to put make up on while driving, she got snapped up by a roadside camera not long ago, that made me crack up big time.
#5
Seriously though. Young drivers DO cause more accidents. We were all young drivers once, sadly I'm now at a ripe old OAP age.

We have all gone through the probation period, the test, the theory test i failed 3 times! Stupid thing. I never revise though, just give me the car. Passed first time. But, I have paid thousands in insurance.

Think these ideas of curfews are a bit far fetched, as are making young drivers have black boxes.

Old drivers are 10 x worse in my opinion to any young driver. Apart from a chav young driver.

Old drivers annoy me more than anything else. They are also very bad drivers a lot of them. At least this is what I see. 9 times out of 10 if I see a pretty bad driver, it's an old women or man.
#6
TheManWithNoName
Remember the young lady who was caught trying to put make up on while driving, she got snapped up by a roadside camera not long ago, that made me crack up big time.


Yeah i remember that :giggle:
I dont know how she managed to do it, im quite sure even with my shovel i couldnt do it!
#7
grdesign
Wouldnt call your face a shovel, not quite that bad


Very funny :thumbsup:
Bcos of you my digital camera is broke (the purple last night!) Wont switch on now, so ive got to take it back this morning Grrrrrrrr!
#8
Wouldnt call your face a shovel, not quite that bad
#9
I think a lot of young people (particularly young men) forget that a car is actually a killing machine. I think for a start the punishment for car related crimes needs to increase big time.

I was involved in a serious RTA while pushing a car and the woman driver simply got five points and a £100 fine, and the damage she caused is still felt ten years on. Had this woman stabbed me she would have got a prison sentence. So that may be a start, but I think what is being proposed is a good measure and has be proven to work elsewhere in reducing the amount of accidents involving young people.
#10
Dabbit. Theres a big difference between an accident and an act of violence specifically against you.
#11
Terrible as it is, and being 24 I'm still classed as a young driver for another year, I think... young people do cause more accidents.

Very sad news story lately, I cant remember the exact date - about 20 miles from me a car went off an embankment - 2 17 year old boys in the front, the driver was sending a text message. But they were fine.

There were FOUR teenage girls in the back - obviously without seatbelts on, 2 were 16 and 2 were 15. All 4 girls in the back were killed.

Now they have to group a certain age cut off, I suppose based on statistics and information as "young drivers". I doubt many people in their 30s would drive with 4 kids in the back with no seatbelts on.. although maybe some very irresponsible ones. But when I heard this story and heard the driver was 17 and all the kids in the car were teenagers, I was not suprised.

There was no other car involved, it was simply not paying attention that led to the car going off an embankment, and flipping, and the girls not wearing seatbelts were killed.

Last year, my cousins boyfriend died in a car crash, pulling off the hard shoulder onto the motorway where he'd stopped to check his map. He was 24 and didn't look, because he was actually on the phone to her at the time. She was left with 2 kids to look after alone.

I don't know if i agree with the new ideas about regulations for young drivers... but I do know that there are a lot of statistics and stories that portray younger drivers as careless and cause accidents.. and there are facts to back that up.
#12
These things get reported though.

I dread to think how many accidents are caused by the elderly. I'm not defending young chavs rockin it large in a fiesta with a bean can sized exhaust. But what I'm saying is, I reckon elderly are far more of a danger than younger.

Difference is, elderly wont be racing and wont be out at 11 at night with teens in the back, so it doesnt get reported.

I personally have reported 2 drivers in my time on the road. I have been sat behind them and called the police. They were that bad, both elderly. Sure, I felt bad grassing up, but they were making people on the other side of the road swerve into the hedge. Worse than a drunk driver. Used reverse a couple of times and I was behind her at the lights, nealry hit me.

Police came to one when I was still behind, lights going as I said they were drunk. So I put my hazards on and let them in front of me. Was cautioned with wasting police time. How am I sposed to know they are not drunk?! They looked it, half the time in the middle of the white line, causing chaos, flashing lights, beeping from other drivers.

Report a youth who you thinks drunk, gold stars, and a beating from the youth after!
#13
grdesign
These things get reported though.

I dread to think how many accidents are caused by the elderly. I'm not defending young chavs rockin it large in a fiesta with a bean can sized exhaust. But what I'm saying is, I reckon elderly are far more of a danger than younger.

Difference is, elderly wont be racing and wont be out at 11 at night with teens in the back, so it doesnt get reported.

I personally have reported 2 drivers in my time on the road. I have been sat behind them and called the police. They were that bad, both elderly. Sure, I felt bad grassing up, but they were making people on the other side of the road swerve into the hedge. Worse than a drunk driver. Used reverse a couple of times and I was behind her at the lights, nealry hit me.

Police came to one when I was still behind, lights going as I said they were drunk. So I put my hazards on and let them in front of me. Was cautioned with wasting police time. How am I sposed to know they are not drunk?! They looked it, half the time in the middle of the white line, causing chaos, flashing lights, beeping from other drivers.

Report a youth who you thinks drunk, gold stars, and a beating from the youth after!

I almost wee'd myself reading that! Cautioned for it :giggle: haha.

Anyway, i feel the need to add to this.
My neighbour has just turned 70, he drives a 1.2 saxo.
He doesnt go over 50mph UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, im sorry, but he shoudnt be allowed on the road, im quite sure he does this just for fuel consumption reasons only :roll:
The other day he collared me on doing the bins, had a chat (he loves to tell me what to do with my life :roll: )
And, a couple of days before, a man the same age as him, just reversed into his car, causing damage.
Did EITHER of them report it? Did they hell, as there old, they have money, and the man who hit just paid him to have to work done, not fair at all.

AND ANOTHER OLD DRIVER POINT.

My ex's grandad shouldnt be driving.
He had a hip replacement roughly a year ago, he is STILL on crutches, did he bother to infom the DVLA? NOOOOOO!
He shouldnt be driving full stop, he is a danger on the roads, but i dont know what to do or who to report this too, not just that, i dont want to look like im taking a grudge out on him, when infact, im not.
#14
Joshanna
Very funny :thumbsup:
Bcos of you my digital camera is broke (the purple last night!) Wont switch on now, so ive got to take it back this morning Grrrrrrrr!


Yes, see how thats my fault! :roll:
#15
Joshanna
I almost wee'd myself reading that! Cautioned for it :giggle: haha.

Anyway, i feel the need to add to this.
My neighbour has just turned 70, he drives a 1.2 saxo.
He doesnt go over 50mph UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, im sorry, but he shoudnt be allowed on the road, im quite sure he does this just for fuel consumption reasons only :roll:
The other day he collared me on doing the bins, had a chat (he loves to tell me what to do with my life :roll: )
And, a couple of days before, a man the same age as him, just reversed into his car, causing damage.
Did EITHER of them report it? Did they hell, as there old, they have money, and the man who hit just paid him to have to work done, not fair at all.

AND ANOTHER OLD DRIVER POINT.

My ex's grandad shouldnt be driving.
He had a hip replacement roughly a year ago, he is STILL on crutches, did he bother to infom the DVLA? NOOOOOO!
He shouldnt be driving full stop, he is a danger on the roads, but i dont know what to do or who to report this too, not just that, i dont want to look like im taking a grudge out on him, when infact, im not.


Anyone can pay for the damage they caused.

Means you dont lose your no claims.
#16
Joshanna
He doesnt go over 50mph UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, im sorry, but he shoudnt be allowed on the road, im quite sure he does this just for fuel consumption reasons only :roll:


Im just going to expand on that.
Theres nothing more annoying than when your on a 60mph or more road, and cant get past the slow driver in front, it is so annoying.
A while back i was in the RIGHT hand lane, meant for overtaking going up the hill here, the person infront, was doing 20mph, i was so f*cked off to put it nicely, he should have been in the left hand lane.

And, erm, i was a little naughty the other night i have to say!
I dont like speeding, and i mean serious speeding, as i worry for other road users, there was a van doing about 60mph on the bypass here, so, i went to overtake it, sensibly doing the 70mph limit.
Up comes a t*sser behind me (i still hadnt overtook, as it does take a while) flashing his beam on (it was pitch black), so i ignored him and carried on overtaking.
Just to wind him up a little more i carried on in that lane, as he was seriously up my bumper, so he just kept the beam on the whole time, what a k*ob!

But, erm, to add to that, that person, im sure is the type who does road rage.
When id just passed my test, i took the family out (me, son in passenger, mum and 13 year old sister in the back) travelling in rush hour, through traffic jams there was an idiot on his mobile, very wide road, and he kept leaving gaps, so i overtook (the road was wide enough for 2 cars) so, he came up the side, and started f'ng and blinding, i simply said he was on his phone.
So, he got out and started banging on the windows and kicking my car :shock: and spitting
It was particulaly scary as my son (under 2 at the time) and 13 year old sister were on the side doing it
It was REALLY scary, id literally passed by not long at all, so my mum rang the police on her mobile.

Had to go to the local station (to where the crime happened, not where i live)
Really teary - and, whats happened, ****** all.

The system in this country is terrible, im fed up of motoring.
#17
grdesign
Anyone can pay for the damage they caused.

Means you dont lose your no claims.


Your not getting the point, if i caused damage, id have to claim as i couldnt afford to pay, THE POINT IS its another thing done by an OLD driver that HASNT been recorded somewhere.
#18
Ahh right, yes, very good, like your trail of thought there!
#19
I think, possibly, old people need to have some serious checks when they reach a certain age, as even my mum at only 43, doesnt know the proper speed limits.
She refuses to believe me that its 70 on dual carriageway, and 60 on a single carriageway.
People should be forced to know correct things, i find it really annoying.
#20
[SIZE=2]Thats because it's not 70 on a dual carriageway.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=2]It's 70 when there is a double barrier thing in the middle of the road (cant remember the name).[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=2]If it's a single fence / barrier / nothing it's 60. If it's a double barrier i.e. crash barrier you see on motorways etc then it's 70. [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=2]I know, I have the points from my learning curve.[/SIZE]
#21
Now, i feel a little silly, but still i know im correct as my driving instructors (all 3 of them!) never mentioned this, and, i still have no points etc, and i passed later on than you.
#22
No driving instructor i know mentioned it either. First I knew of it was when I got my points and tried to go against it. Said the road is 60 as indicated by the barrier, i.e. the lack of one apart from some kind of wire fence thing. I was proved wrong, the road was 60, because of that.
#23
I cant find anything to back up what you said :

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f121/joannaolly/speedlimits.jpg
#24
I'm never 100% convinced my dad would pass the test, though he's generally pretty good and has certainly become more sensible speedwise in recent years.

I took my test several years ago before I went to Uni and failed for driving 30mph on a 50mph road (thought it was a 30 zone :( )
Apparently he would have passed me if I'd gone 5mph faster - god damn!

The fact i'd been having lessons in my instructor's 1.0ltr Fiesta and 2 days before the test discovering I'd have to take it in my mum's 2.5ltr 7 seater people carrier of course wasn't taken into account.

Anyway, so I headed off to uni and of course didn't get around to scheduling a second test. So despite spending 6 months having lessons I have not bothered to pursue it any further :)
#25
Oh no :-(
Make sure you re-take , seriously, youll only regret it!
Driving is the best thing ive ever done :)
Dont give up.

My mum had a similar problem, booked her test, then her learner car was wrote off so she had to take the test in a car she didnt know - she obv failed!
A tip id give, is to do 5mph under the limit on your test, to make sure you dont speed :) I was so nervous about speeding on the test :)
#26
Ok. A dual carriageway is only a dual carriageway when it is physically seperated by a central reservation. This is what i was told by the camera idiot thieving scum people.

A dual carriageway is not a road where there are 4 lanes, 2 in each direction and are physcially attached, be it by a small 1 foot high wall or white lines. That's a single carriageway.

I was also told that unless the central reservation has a double barrier, it does NOT class as a dual carriageway. I would LOVE for someone to prove me wrong, as I'll be on the blower to the thieving camera scum people.
#27
Sweetie, ive just pasted the goverment legislation.
I cant find ANYTHING to back up what youve said, as im crapping myself about getting a ticket!
#28
I should have failed my test. Didnt look or indicate when changing lanes.

Don't think the instructor noticed as we were outside a Uni and all the girls were walking around and he was looking that way!
#29
Joshanna
Sweetie, ive just pasted the goverment legislation.
I cant find ANYTHING to back up what youve said, as im crapping myself about getting a ticket!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_carriageway

Just so you, and everyone else knows! Like I said, I never knew it had to be physically seerated with a barrier.
#30
I've read that link but it doesn't back up your claim, there are dual carriageways up here with a 70 limit and a single barrier between them, I've also seen dual carriageways and motorways which have a single cement barrier between them which would also not be a dual carriageway under your definition.

While I don't like being stereo-typed as a young driver, I can easily see why - I know various people both male and female who have written off or crashed cars through inexperience or brashness. While other drivers are not exempt from crashes and accidents, I know a far higher percentage of younger drivers who have had crashes. Personally I've had a little one litre Metro, then a diesel Octavia and now looking at a diesel Superb - no sports cars, yet I'm 'punished' as a young driver as my insurance is still hefty.

I have to say I think older drivers are a concern as well - the current system relies on people decide when they should no longer be driving or need some more aids such as better glasses. When you pass your test your eyesight is tested briefly but there's nothing like this as people get older, it's fair to say it's not unusual to suffer reducued eyesight. When parking my car recently, an old lady got out of a car and started shouting at me because I had parked my car in a disabled bay and to move it - however, she had misread the sign and the markings on the ground which clearly distinguised the bay two up from me as the disabled bay. That's a small issue but I doubt the lady could have read roadsigns while driving which may be a lot more important. I don't think all older drivers should have to sit a full driving test again but I think there should be at least a basic check on their ability to drive after a certain age, while I've seen some stupid driving from young drivers I've also seen some truly alarming driving from older drivers where they just don't seem to be aware of the circumstances around them - driving down the wrong side of the road into a retail park, sitting at 40 in a 60 but not slowing down going in a built up 30 area etc.

John
#31
grdesign
I should have failed my test. Didnt look or indicate when changing lanes.

Don't think the instructor noticed as we were outside a Uni and all the girls were walking around and he was looking that way!


Speaking of distractions, my best friend not only dressed ridiculously smart he also wore a cravat!
How many 17 year olds have ever taken a driving test in a cravat I ask you :)
#32
Hmm - reading some articles on the request for changes to young drivers, I see at 26 I'm no longer a young driver :(

John
#33
Lucky you!
Dont be disappointed!
#34
Well, sadly the insurance companies don't see it that way - looks like it's going to be 400 quid for a group 11 car this year. On a more general note it's really quite depressing to be in the 26-35 bracket rather than 18-25 as I really don't feel it plus I still can't buy alcohol because they don't believe I'm 17?!

John
#35
i failed my test twice, due to other drivers. one was a taxi driver who drove on the pavement because i was engaged in his lane but i was overtaking parked cars (he wasn't there at the time). examiner told me i was unlucky, anyone other than taxis and policemen would have stopped and let me get out of their way.

anyway back to the point, i've now been driving for 6 months, i have never put anyone in danger, i have been in dangerous situations 3 times, once a taxi, once an old person, and once a very rich woman in a lexus 4x4 (she annoyd me most, stopped from 70mph because of a puddle straight after overtaking me, in heavy rain conditions. i drive a micra 1995, i was lucky to stop in time)

never was i put in danger due to a young driver. there is one friend of mine who is utter rubbish, passed first time after 2 months and crashed soon after, hes still no better.

i think its good that somethings being done to prevent people like my friend to be dangerous, but i don't think what they are currently doing is any good. i also think there should be something done for older drivers.
#36
Wow I never knew so many people would be so angry about driving! I do agree though with the stereotyping that Joshanna was talking about at the very beginning, although when i first passed my test I did drive like an idiot! However I do think that the elderly are more of a danger - one thing - emergency stops! My gran could no way do an emergency stop if she were driving (luckily she doesn't!) I don't think the shock of the 'emergency' would do her ticker any good at all!:giggle:
But the BIG thing that really annoys me, esp as I have a little boy, is when you see parents; sat in the front, happy as larry, belted in. And whats in the back? - a few kids, roaming free - jumping all over the place! Why are the parents putting themselves first and not giving their kids the same consideration?!! :thinking: (This probably isn't part of this conversation but I thought I'd add my 2ps worth!)
#37
lisad255
although when i first passed my test I did drive like an idiot!
you see parents; sat in the front, happy as larry, belted in. And whats in the back? - a few kids, roaming free - jumping all over the place! Why are the parents putting themselves first and not giving their kids the same consideration?!! :thinking: (This probably isn't part of this conversation but I thought I'd add my 2ps worth!)


I drove like an idiot too :oops: Its just bcos i could as id just passed.

And Grrrrrr, i hate seeing kids loose in the back, OR overcrowding in cars, so much so they cant have seatbelts on!
And these people never get caught!
I was pulled over shortly after i passed was so funny, it was me, my little boy in the front, and my sister in the back, at some lights copper pulled up next to me, was going into town, so told my sister to put the bag of frozen food on the floor so sun wouldnt melt it!
So, he started following me, then pulled me asking how many kids in the car, i said 2, he said wheres the other pointing at my son, i said shes there pointing at my 13 year old sis, he said, ok i thought there was a child unbelted in the back

He was refering to the shopping bag :giggle: :giggle: :giggle:
Always makes me giggle!
#38
I know they are mad, sometimes I don't think they have anything better to do than pull over innocent people! I had a baseball cap on when I first passed and was pulled over (even though I wasn't speeding, I'd only had my licence a week!) and when he saw I was a girl he said 'oh I thought you were a young lad, off you go!!' - Bloody useless!!:giggle:
#39
:giggle: I found it funny i was pulled for a bag :giggle:
#40
I'm still a young driver as far as insurance goes (also 22), and I hate that I have such high premiums, but when I see some other people my age driving, I can understand it. I drove like an idiot when I first passed my test, but that was 5 years ago, and I know people who have been in serious car accidents which really made me see sense.
I really don't like stereotyping, but at the same time, unfortunately a lot of people don't grow up and realise that they are in control of something that can kill until they are mid-20s and beyond.

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