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2m, 1w agoPosted 2 months, 1 week ago
Players earning their wages again. So the problem wasn't Wenger eh?
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#1
Imho the players want him out, so as per usual they forget how to win
#2
Beating a bad United team and a Southampton team already on the beach doesn't prove much.

But I hope it means Wenger stays.
#3
Wenger, the video game coming soon!

Supported in part by misc, the video games section of HUKD!
8 Likes #4
They've got to turn it on a bit before the transfer window opens - how else will they get a move to a big club?
1 Like #5
Not sure, I didn't see the game against Southampton but apparently the first half was dismal and the only players who really performed were Sanchez and Xhaka.

As for the Manchester United game it was a dull narrow win, nothing to get any other team quaking in there boots.

There still needs to be a massive overhaul to get anywhere near the Premier League title let alone a Champions League win. My optimism of this happening has increased with recent roumours about Gazidis finally growing a pair :)
2 Likes #6
Arsenal under Wenger, finishing in the top 4 (minimum) EVERY season. No other club has managed that. So they fail to do it again this year, does that mean Wenger is a failure? Far, far from it. He has had them challenging every season whilst playing entertaining football along the way, oh, and won a good few trophies while where at it.

If you can point to a better replacement, sure, but barring Alegri - who surely would not want to leave Juventus - who's better/available?
2 Likes #7
A few months ago arsenal fans were actually trying to affect change but a few wins and they go back to their usual selves. They're a particularly useless fan base, happy with mediocrity and they blow with the wind.

I happened to be at the United game and both teams are poor. Zero movement, little ambition and only Sanchez has that drive you need. He needs to show some ambition and force a move to a club who has he same aspirations as him.
1 Like #8
pazuzu17
Arsenal under Wenger, finishing in the top 4 (minimum) EVERY season. No other club has managed that. So they fail to do it again this year, does that mean Wenger is a failure? Far, far from it. He has had them challenging every season whilst playing entertaining football along the way, oh, and won a good few trophies while where at it.

If you can point to a better replacement, sure, but barring Alegri - who surely would not want to leave Juventus - who's better/available?

Challenging? Did they challenge this year or last year, or did they simply flatter to deceive before crumbling when the pressure was on?

He was a great manager but Arsenal are not only flakey on the pitch, they're shockingly run off it with no direction or ethos driving them. Their transfer policy is poor, their academy is miles behind the likes of Chelsea and City and they no longer play the best football in the league.

So maybe they need to take a punt on not just a new coach but a new director of football too. But they won't because they've got a rubbish owner too.
#9
Are Arsenal profitable every year? Possibly more so than other clubs in the PL?
Genuine question.
#10
Destard
Are Arsenal profitable every year? Possibly more so than other clubs in the PL?
Genuine question.

According to the Express they made a £3m profit last year.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/802849/Premier-League-team-Arsenal-Chelsea-sportgalleries
#11
They only put on a decent show since the transfer window opens soon, they have to look good to attract new clubs. Surprised Ozil never put in the performance of his career. But he probably saving that for the FA cup final when more people will be watching, don't want to lay it all on the line during a midweek meaningless fixture against a mid table side.
#12
666FU
They only put on a decent show since the transfer window opens soon, they have to look good to attract new clubs. Surprised Ozil never put in the performance of his career. But he probably saving that for the FA cup final when more people will be watching, don't want to lay it all on the line during a midweek meaningless fixture against a mid table side.

When have they put on a decent show?. The Soton and Manu games were both dull and IMO Arsenal lucky to win both 2-0. I mean if you look at the stats, they're pretty much evenly matched. For Manu the Arsenal game was nothing more than an annoyance sandwiched in between 2 other huge more important games. 3 games in 7 days is just ridiculous.

Arsenal are dull because of Wenger. He's trying to play the outdated winning formula from 2003.
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J4GG4
666FU
They only put on a decent show since the transfer window opens soon, they have to look good to attract new clubs. Surprised Ozil never put in the performance of his career. But he probably saving that for the FA cup final when more people will be watching, don't want to lay it all on the line during a midweek meaningless fixture against a mid table side.
When have they put on a decent show?. The Soton and Manu games were both dull and IMO Arsenal lucky to win both 2-0. I mean if you look at the stats, they're pretty much evenly matched. For Manu the Arsenal game was nothing more than an annoyance sandwiched in between 2 other huge more important games. 3 games in 7 days is just ridiculous.
Arsenal are dull because of Wenger. He's trying to play the outdated winning formula from 2003.

I love how United spend hundreds of millions of pounds so they can get to May and decide the league isn't important.

Gotta beat Celta Vigo X)
#14
Football management is the management of people, not football tactics or individual skill. Power is nearly completely in the players hands now and I wonder why people continue to support the sport or their teams. Briefly saw a bit last night, two players barely collided mid air, they both waiting a split second looking at each other and when the first moved to grab their head in pain so immediately did the other. Turned it off immediately.
#15
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J4GG4
666FU
They only put on a decent show since the transfer window opens soon, they have to look good to attract new clubs. Surprised Ozil never put in the performance of his career. But he probably saving that for the FA cup final when more people will be watching, don't want to lay it all on the line during a midweek meaningless fixture against a mid table side.
When have they put on a decent show?. The Soton and Manu games were both dull and IMO Arsenal lucky to win both 2-0. I mean if you look at the stats, they're pretty much evenly matched. For Manu the Arsenal game was nothing more than an annoyance sandwiched in between 2 other huge more important games. 3 games in 7 days is just ridiculous.
Arsenal are dull because of Wenger. He's trying to play the outdated winning formula from 2003.
I love how United spend hundreds of millions of pounds so they can get to May and decide the league isn't important.
Gotta beat Celta Vigo X)

Its not about spending hundreds of millions of pounds though?.

Its about getting the players you want, and if they so happen to be 40m and 80m then thats life, they can afford it.

You've gotta be dumb to think a team will win the league based on how much money they've spent. Everyone who's into football knows that it doesn't work like that. Manu will likely have to pay more than 80m if they want their targets this summer as well, which again doesn't guarantee any sort of success for next season.
#16
J4GG4
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J4GG4
666FU
They only put on a decent show since the transfer window opens soon, they have to look good to attract new clubs. Surprised Ozil never put in the performance of his career. But he probably saving that for the FA cup final when more people will be watching, don't want to lay it all on the line during a midweek meaningless fixture against a mid table side.
When have they put on a decent show?. The Soton and Manu games were both dull and IMO Arsenal lucky to win both 2-0. I mean if you look at the stats, they're pretty much evenly matched. For Manu the Arsenal game was nothing more than an annoyance sandwiched in between 2 other huge more important games. 3 games in 7 days is just ridiculous.
Arsenal are dull because of Wenger. He's trying to play the outdated winning formula from 2003.
I love how United spend hundreds of millions of pounds so they can get to May and decide the league isn't important.
Gotta beat Celta Vigo X)
Its not about spending hundreds of millions of pounds though?.
Its about getting the players you want, and if they so happen to be 40m and 80m then thats life, they can afford it.
You've gotta be dumb to think a team will win the league based on how much money they've spent. Everyone who's into football knows that it doesn't work like that. Manu will likely have to pay more than 80m if they want their targets this summer as well, which again doesn't guarantee any sort of success for next season.

I'm sure when Chelsea and City used to win the league it was down to money, at least that's what armchair united fans used to say.

But now money isn't the key factor?
#17
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J4GG4
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J4GG4
666FU
They only put on a decent show since the transfer window opens soon, they have to look good to attract new clubs. Surprised Ozil never put in the performance of his career. But he probably saving that for the FA cup final when more people will be watching, don't want to lay it all on the line during a midweek meaningless fixture against a mid table side.
When have they put on a decent show?. The Soton and Manu games were both dull and IMO Arsenal lucky to win both 2-0. I mean if you look at the stats, they're pretty much evenly matched. For Manu the Arsenal game was nothing more than an annoyance sandwiched in between 2 other huge more important games. 3 games in 7 days is just ridiculous.
Arsenal are dull because of Wenger. He's trying to play the outdated winning formula from 2003.
I love how United spend hundreds of millions of pounds so they can get to May and decide the league isn't important.
Gotta beat Celta Vigo X)
Its not about spending hundreds of millions of pounds though?.
Its about getting the players you want, and if they so happen to be 40m and 80m then thats life, they can afford it.
You've gotta be dumb to think a team will win the league based on how much money they've spent. Everyone who's into football knows that it doesn't work like that. Manu will likely have to pay more than 80m if they want their targets this summer as well, which again doesn't guarantee any sort of success for next season.
I'm sure when Chelsea and City used to win the league it was down to money, at least that's what armchair united fans used to say.
But now money isn't the key factor?

I would say money enabled Chelsea and City to compete at the top and consistently do it. Nobody could argue the correlation between their success and the injection of significant sums of money. Give those sums of money to Hull City and Silva will be pushing for champs league next year too if they survive this year. Problem is now you have 5 or 6 clubs all with enough money to do so and little to distinguish themselves, not even managers make enough difference now.
1 Like #18
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J4GG4
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J4GG4
666FU
They only put on a decent show since the transfer window opens soon, they have to look good to attract new clubs. Surprised Ozil never put in the performance of his career. But he probably saving that for the FA cup final when more people will be watching, don't want to lay it all on the line during a midweek meaningless fixture against a mid table side.
When have they put on a decent show?. The Soton and Manu games were both dull and IMO Arsenal lucky to win both 2-0. I mean if you look at the stats, they're pretty much evenly matched. For Manu the Arsenal game was nothing more than an annoyance sandwiched in between 2 other huge more important games. 3 games in 7 days is just ridiculous.
Arsenal are dull because of Wenger. He's trying to play the outdated winning formula from 2003.
I love how United spend hundreds of millions of pounds so they can get to May and decide the league isn't important.
Gotta beat Celta Vigo X)
Its not about spending hundreds of millions of pounds though?.
Its about getting the players you want, and if they so happen to be 40m and 80m then thats life, they can afford it.
You've gotta be dumb to think a team will win the league based on how much money they've spent. Everyone who's into football knows that it doesn't work like that. Manu will likely have to pay more than 80m if they want their targets this summer as well, which again doesn't guarantee any sort of success for next season.
I'm sure when Chelsea and City used to win the league it was down to money, at least that's what armchair united fans used to say.
But now money isn't the key factor?

Its not the key factor in my opinion and never was. I think every fan has his own personality and opinions.

You have to have a gelled team before spending millions, like Bayern, Barca, Juve, Real. Even then you shouldn't chop and change too much, maybe 1 or 2 players in tops. Man city spent millions without winning anything for years and years. They've won the league twice.. 2011 and 2013.

2008 they spent 125m
2009 127m (back then that was big money).. remember robinho..etc.
They won nothing.

2010 they spent 154m and they only managed to win the FA cup. In the same season manu spent 27m and won the league.

2015 and 2016 they spent a combined 320m and won just the league cup.

Despite manu buying pogba, they still spent less than man city for that season!.

Out of the 3 teams you've highlighted, the most each team have spent in a single season is as follows:

Man city 168m
Chelsea 153m
Man u 149m

Yet man u always singled out as the biggest spenders when its not true.

Clearly money doesn't win you the league though.



Edited By: J4GG4 on May 11, 2017 13:36: .
1 Like #19
mk8
I would say money enabled Chelsea and City to compete at the top and consistently do it. Nobody could argue the correlation between their success and the injection of significant sums of money. Give those sums of money to Hull City and Silva will be pushing for champs league next year too if they survive this year. Problem is now you have 5 or 6 clubs all with enough money to do so and little to distinguish themselves, not even managers make enough difference now.

One word - Leicester City (actually that's two but you get my point) :)
#20
And I wouldn't say consistency for Chelsea. Finishing 10th last season may have done them a big favour this season (no European games to play) but it's practically the same players.
#21
raggedy
mk8
I would say money enabled Chelsea and City to compete at the top and consistently do it. Nobody could argue the correlation between their success and the injection of significant sums of money. Give those sums of money to Hull City and Silva will be pushing for champs league next year too if they survive this year. Problem is now you have 5 or 6 clubs all with enough money to do so and little to distinguish themselves, not even managers make enough difference now.
One word - Leicester City (actually that's two but you get my point) :)

You're aware of this concept of exceptions to rules? I did make a point about consistency too which you seem to have acknowledged in the next comment but forgot about it in relation to Leicester.
I would say it's difficult to argue that Chelsea haven't consistently competed at the top since they significantly benefited from Russian corruption.
#22
Arsenal's problem is Kroenke. He owns many clubs that win very little but make him money. That's just the way he is. If Usmanov was running the club things would be very different.
#23
mk8
I would say it's difficult to argue that Chelsea haven't consistently competed at the top since they significantly benefited from Russian corruption.

10th isn't top. Just because you inject loads of cash into a team, they still have to gel. Practically the same players but with a different manager and they win the league so Conte definitely made a difference. And that's definite proof that Abramovich is corrupt then? Is this FIFA type corrupt or the non-illegal corrupt? :)

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