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the Bible forbids bringing trees into our homes and decorating them. What!
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suspended2m, 2w agoPosted 2 months, 2 weeks ago
the Bible forbids bringing trees into our homes and decorating them.

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I don't celebrate it because I don't appreciate fat, bearded men coming into my house in the middle of the night and emptying their sack at the end of the kids bed.

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3 Likes #1
The whole tree thing has no basis in xmas. It was only introduced in the 19th century & xmas cards the same.
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YouDontWantToKnow
The whole tree thing has no basis in xmas. It was only introduced in the 19th century & xmas cards the same.

I thought he was pulling my leg so I laughed and I think he took offence!
4 Likes #3
MrScotchBonnet
YouDontWantToKnow
The whole tree thing has no basis in xmas. It was only introduced in the 19th century & xmas cards the same.
I thought he was pulling my leg so I laughed and I think he took offence!

Probably a "false idol" believer. But serious, trees are just a gimmick started by Queen Victoria & spread around the UK by people that wanted to keep up with the Jones'
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I don't celebrate it because I don't appreciate fat, bearded men coming into my house in the middle of the night and emptying their sack at the end of the kids bed.
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stuarthanley
I don't celebrate it because I don't appreciate fat, bearded men coming into my house in the middle of the night and emptying their sack at the end of the kids bed.
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#6
Throw the baby out of the bath water. Don't 'not' mark the birth of Jesus just because someone is decorating a Christmas tree. Anyway, would like to see the verse as if the context also backs it up I would like to forward it to my partner
3 Likes #7
Well kudos to the customer for being honest and explaining his view. Not a response I'd expect but hey, you learn summat new every day. Though I'm not sure if it's the mainstream Christian view. Maybe Christian members on here could shed some light.
1 Like #8
androidavis
Throw the baby out of the bath water. Don't 'not' mark the birth of Jesus just because someone is decorating a Christmas tree. Anyway, would like to see the verse as if the context also backs it up I would like to forward it to my partner

Probably based on the Israelites worshipping a golden calf as God.
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androidavis
Throw the baby out of the bath water. Don't 'not' mark the birth of Jesus just because someone is decorating a Christmas tree. Anyway, would like to see the verse as if the context also backs it up I would like to forward it to my partner

Which day of what month was Jesus (son of Joseph/son of God; depending on whether you believe his mother's story or not) born?
3 Likes #10
MrScotchBonnet
YouDontWantToKnow
The whole tree thing has no basis in xmas. It was only introduced in the 19th century & xmas cards the same.
I thought he was pulling my leg so I laughed and I think he took offence!
I often ponder the possibility of the easily offended/outraged having a weaker faith.

I see some people desperately clinging to laws, and getting irrationally upset when challenged, and I wonder is this person worshipping the laws - but not the God who made the laws?
Are they just using these laws because their minds/lives are so messed up that they've grasped a set of religious rules, laws and regulations in the hope of finding some sort of stability/security/peace/sense?

It's just that their reactions/over-reactions to any form of challenge might be explained by them feeling their worldview (and thus their security) is being challenged?
3 Likes #11
what's this Christmas thing?
2 Likes #12
Christmas Trees - nothing to do with faith
Christmas presents - nothing to do with faith
Christmas cards - nothing to do with faith
The only thing related to faith for Christmas is to celebrate the birth Jesus Christ (as in Christ mass)

But Christianity is fiction created to control the people written by several authors on par with William Shakespeare and HG Wells because if there really was a God he'd of created floods many times during the last 2000 years to restart humanity as it's failed so many many times

https://helenkosings.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/soapbox.jpg

But if you want to believe in any deity/faith then that is your choice - I won't stop you as it's your right and your freedom

ho ho ho merry...................bah humbug
2 Likes #13
The festival is nothing to do with Christ's birthday, anyway. It is the pagan celebration of the winter solstice but christians couldn't get people to stop celebrating it and so co-opted the date to jc's supposed birthday. Not that many people include any religious facet to the festival any more, anyway.
#14
I think s/he was pulling your leg and test your gullibility. Anyway here is another one to add to your list. I don't celebrate Christmas because I don't eat turkey.
Edit:
Oh yes, I do celebrate when turkey is organic Norfolk Bronze, else no.

Edited By: splender on Nov 30, 2016 21:03
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splender
I think s/he was pulling your leg and test your gullibility. Anyway here is another one to add to your list. I don't celebrate Christmas because I don't eat turkey.
Edit:
Oh yes, I do celebrate when turkey is organic Norfolk Bronze, else no.

They most certainly weren't pulling my leg!
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YouDontWantToKnow
The whole tree thing has no basis in xmas. It was only introduced in the 19th century & xmas cards the same.
It sort of does, and it doesn't.

Heard and read many stories, wouldn't want to bore you with all of them, but couldn't say with any certainty any of them are fact.

One of them is along the lines of; trees - esp' evergreens were always important to pagans - mainly because they had a 'magical' property of staying green.
These same peeps noticed such things in winter (obviously) - usually when they were sitting freezing during short days and dark nights and constantly miserable weather.

To cheer themselves up they always had a big party in the middle of such crap times - gave them something to look forward to and a reason to not wander off to warmer climes and weaken the tribe etc .

When Christianity came along it was decided not to remove the one event everybody looked forward to in Winter, but rather just rename it as a Christian celebration.

Other accounts claim the Germans, possibly Marting Luther started the Christmas tree thing, and yet another relates some notable Christian cut down a symbolic Oak tree used for pagan sacrifices, and instructed the locals to acknowledge evergreens as more symbolic of the nature of God (or something like that - can't remember, but it's in there somewhere).

Some peeps also consider the tree is revered much the same as the cross, as some translations say 'Jesus was hung on a tree'.


So, you get the idea of how difficult it is to say anything with any certainty on the matter.


Edited By: tryn2help on Dec 01, 2016 10:02: i
1 Like #17
YouDontWantToKnow
Probably a "false idol" believer.
The idolatry issue is something I've heard.

Personally, I don't see it as idolatry.

The verses cited are usually in relation to people making idols out of wood and bowing down worshipping these idols as they would a God.

I don't know anybody - Christian or otherwise - who bows down and worships a Christmas tree as a God.
1 Like #18
tryn2help
YouDontWantToKnow
Probably a "false idol" believer.
The idolatry issue is something I've heard.
Personally, I don't see it as idolatry.
The verses cited are usually in relation to people making idols out of wood and bowing down worshipping these idols as they would a God.
I don't know anybody - Christian or otherwise - who bows down and worships a Christmas tree as a God.

Dont be silly
1 Like #19
this is fascinating.
3 Likes #20
fanpages
androidavis
Throw the baby out of the bath water. Don't 'not' mark the birth of Jesus just because someone is decorating a Christmas tree. Anyway, would like to see the verse as if the context also backs it up I would like to forward it to my partner
Which day of what month was Jesus (son of Joseph/son of God; depending on whether you believe his mother's story or not) born?
I thought it was in September due to the calendar year being shorter?
but have seen this:
shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks, it is a presumptive argument that October had not yet commenced, and that, consequently, our Lord was not born on the 25th of December, when no flocks were out in the fields; nor could He have been born later than September, as the flocks were still in the fields by night
3 Likes #21
androidavis
Throw the baby out of the bath water. Don't 'not' mark the birth of Jesus just because someone is decorating a Christmas tree. Anyway, would like to see the verse as if the context also backs it up I would like to forward it to my partner
You're correct in saying we use this day to mark the birth of Jesus.
We don't know the exact date and time Jesus was born - and again, there's a whole bunch of reasons for that.

We do know there are some writings claiming early Christians were against the pagan practice of celebrating a person's date of birth. And, if that's true then we can understand why nobody bothered to record it in the Books of the Bible.

Most theologians around 200 bc were of the opinion that Jesus was born sometime between Spring and Summer, modern theologians tend to think sometime between Summer and Autumn - some later, but none as late as December.

They often take their dates/times from recorded stories i.e. neither shepherds nor sheep would be out in the bleak mid winter - they'd be home. Historical records of when census was called etc.
Add to that only ten months in Jewish calendar, the many differing calendars i.e. Julian, Gregorian, etc . . . yep, clouded somewhat.


But, yes, we do generally use this date to mark the birth of Jesus - or at least some of us do, as, if nothing else it's a reminder of the good news of Jesus. <3


Edited By: tryn2help on Nov 30, 2016 23:50: i
#22
Anyways after a bit of reading it suggests your man could be a Jehovah's Witness
1 Like #23
Why did the penguins travel from antarctica to get on a boat to save them from a flood?
#24
stuarthanley
Why did the penguins travel from antarctica to get on a boat to save them from a flood?

Is this one of those jokes you get on a penguin chocolate bar wrapper?

Edited By: YouDontWantToKnow on Nov 30, 2016 22:21
1 Like #25
YouDontWantToKnow
stuarthanley
Why did the penguins travel from antarctica to get on a boat to save them from a flood?
Is this one of those jokes you get on a penguin chocolate bar wrapper?
It ought to be but no. Just wondered why 2 of every animal travelled to the middle east to get on a boat.
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androidavis
Throw the baby out of the bath water. Don't 'not' mark the birth of Jesus just because someone is decorating a Christmas tree. Anyway, would like to see the verse as if the context also backs it up I would like to forward it to my partner
Which day of what month was Jesus (son of Joseph/son of God; depending on whether you believe his mother's story or not) born?
I don't know. What is it? I bet it's different to the day christians have allocated to mark his birth or is it actually the same, or a don't know either?

Edited By: androidavis on Nov 30, 2016 22:40
1 Like #27
Xmas is another marketing event . white Xmas black Friday etc
1 Like #28
stuarthanley
Why did the penguins travel from antarctica to get on a boat to save them from a flood?
Because they ran out of ice and didn't have anything to go surfing with. :)
1 Like #29
YouDontWantToKnow
Anyways after a bit of reading it suggests your man could be a Jehovah's Witness
JW's don't believe as the overwhelming majority of Christians do, so it wouldn't surprise me that they're not keen on Christmas trees, or even Christmas for that matter.
banned#30
Not because of Brexit? Darn! I'd have lost this time.

tryn2help
YouDontWantToKnow
Anyways after a bit of reading it suggests your man could be a Jehovah's Witness
JW's don't believe as the overwhelming majority of Christians do, so it wouldn't surprise me that they're not keen on Christmas trees, or even Christmas for that matter.
JW's are Christians too so it's kind of a moot point.
1 Like #31
Spasho
JW's are Christians too so it's kind of a moot point.
The JW's might think of themselves as Christians, but if they're not worshipping the Christ it's difficult to call them Christians.


Edited By: tryn2help on Dec 01, 2016 00:25
1 Like #32
philphil61
Christmas Trees - nothing to do with faith
Christmas presents - nothing to do with faith
Christmas cards - nothing to do with faith
The only thing related to faith for Christmas is to celebrate the birth Jesus Christ (as in Christ mass)
But Christianity is fiction created to control the people written by several authors on par with William Shakespeare and HG Wells because if there really was a God he'd of created floods many times during the last 2000 years to restart humanity as it's failed so many many timeshttps://helenkosings.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/soapbox.jpg
But if you want to believe in any deity/faith then that is your choice - I won't stop you as it's your right and your freedom
ho ho ho merry...................bah humbug

Not read the bible then, we have a covenant, also we are responsible for ourselves, we have dominion over this earth and everything on it, we make our own way and have choice if we want to be godless or not, ultimately we pay the price for how we live.

No idea about this tree thing guess he thinks its idolatry but he could have a nativity scene.
#33
stuarthanley
I don't celebrate it because I don't appreciate fat, bearded men coming into my house in the middle of the night and emptying their sack at the end of the kids bed.

TV licence goon? Ha
#34
Graham1979
stuarthanley
I don't celebrate it because I don't appreciate fat, bearded men coming into my house in the middle of the night and emptying their sack at the end of the kids bed.
TV licence goon? Ha

just give up and pay
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Right if anyone cares, aswell as JW, 7th day adventists, some baptists and unitarians plus probably some other smaller sects dont celebrate it.

Not because of pagan stuff tho, its christ mass, celebrated in the roman catholic church for hundreds of years, prodestants started celebrating it in the 1700s, it became a holiday instead of just a religious festival in the 1800s.

So mass then, a lot of people dont agree with mass, its not exactly a celebration but a reenactment, alot of Christianity doesnt do mass like the catholic do, some think saints are idolatry too, don't know about trees but the main thing seems to be its a birthday, lots of people dont celebrate the birth of christ because they dont see it as important or correct as christ is a manifestation of the holy spirit on earth, the holy spirit is eternal it doesn't have a birthday.
#36
was it a customer op or a client?
1 Like #37
Error440
Right if anyone cares, aswell as JW, 7th day adventists, some baptists and unitarians plus probably some other smaller sects dont celebrate it.

Not because of pagan stuff tho, its christ mass, celebrated in the roman catholic church for hundreds of years, prodestants started celebrating it in the 1700s, it became a holiday instead of just a religious festival in the 1800s.

So mass then, a lot of people dont agree with mass, its not exactly a celebration but a reenactment, alot of Christianity doesnt do mass like the catholic do, some think saints are idolatry too, don't know about trees but the main thing seems to be its a birthday, lots of people dont celebrate the birth of christ because they dont see it as important or correct as christ is a manifestation of the holy spirit on earth, the holy spirit is eternal it doesn't have a birthday.

well done

the church did decide to take the pagen feasts and make them christian, Jesus was prob born in the spring, as the shepherds where out looking after the sheep in fields, anyway it does not matter what the others think as the Holly Roman and Apostolic church was set up by St Peter, so we were the first and the best :p
#38
The Bible does not give the date of Jesus’ birth, nor does it say that we should celebrate his birthday. As McClintock and Strong’s Cyclopedia states: “The observance of Christmas is not of divine appointment, nor is it of NT [New Testament] origin.”

Instead, an examination of the history of Christmas exposes its roots in pagan religious rites. The Bible shows that we offend God if we try to worship him in a way that he does not approve of.—Exodus 32:5-7.
1 Like #39
History of Christmas customs

Celebrating Jesus’ birthday: “The early Christians did not celebrate [Jesus’] birth because they considered the celebration of anyone’s birth to be a pagan custom.”—The World Book Encyclopedia.

December 25: There is no proof that Jesus was born on that date. Church leaders likely chose this date to coincide with pagan festivals held on or around the winter solstice.

Gift-giving, feasting, partying: The Encyclopedia Americana says: “Saturnalia, a Roman feast celebrated in mid-December, provided the model for many of the merry-making customs of Christmas. From this celebration, for example, were derived the elaborate feasting, the giving of gifts, and the burning of candles.” The Encyclopædia Britannica notes that “all work and business were suspended” during Saturnalia.

Christmas lights: According to The Encyclopedia of Religion, Europeans decorated their homes “with lights and evergreens of all kinds” to celebrate the winter solstice and to combat evil spirits.

Mistletoe, holly: “The Druids ascribed magical properties to the mistletoe in particular. The evergreen holly was worshiped as a promise of the sun’s return.”—The Encyclopedia Americana.

Christmas tree: “Tree worship, common among the pagan Europeans, survived after their conversion to Christianity.” One of the ways in which tree worship survived is in the custom of “placing a Yule tree at an entrance or inside the house in the midwinter holidays.”—Encyclopædia Britannica.
#40
Mark2111
History of Christmas customs
Celebrating Jesus’ birthday: “The early Christians did not celebrate [Jesus’] birth because they considered the celebration of anyone’s birth to be a pagan custom.”—The World Book Encyclopedia.
December 25: There is no proof that Jesus was born on that date. Church leaders likely chose this date to coincide with pagan festivals held on or around the winter solstice.
Gift-giving, feasting, partying: The Encyclopedia Americana says: “Saturnalia, a Roman feast celebrated in mid-December, provided the model for many of the merry-making customs of Christmas. From this celebration, for example, were derived the elaborate feasting, the giving of gifts, and the burning of candles.” The Encyclopædia Britannica notes that “all work and business were suspended” during Saturnalia.
Christmas lights: According to The Encyclopedia of Religion, Europeans decorated their homes “with lights and evergreens of all kinds” to celebrate the winter solstice and to combat evil spirits.
Mistletoe, holly: “The Druids ascribed magical properties to the mistletoe in particular. The evergreen holly was worshiped as a promise of the sun’s return.”—The Encyclopedia Americana.
Christmas tree: “Tree worship, common among the pagan Europeans, survived after their conversion to Christianity.” One of the ways in which tree worship survived is in the custom of “placing a Yule tree at an entrance or inside the house in the midwinter holidays.”—Encyclopædia Britannica.
Well done, Mark, good bit of research.

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