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So there is a money tree and it's not true that there is no other way. Another U-turn? I wonder how the deficit is doing under austarity? Btw I'm not opposed to sensible austerity and nobody wants … Read More
Joey.Bloggsy Avatar
1m, 1w agoPosted 1 month, 1 week ago
So there is a money tree and it's not true that there is no other way.
Another U-turn?

I wonder how the deficit is doing under austarity?

Btw I'm not opposed to sensible austerity and nobody wants a spend spend fiasco.
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1m, 1w agoPosted 1 month, 1 week ago
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There is a fundamental flaw in our nation, which is our inability to live within our means yet
the public, most of whom are net recipients, many of whom don't even pay tax, are turned off by austerity.!!
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Joey.Bloggsy
Help me , I'm seeing Donald Trump in front of me X)


I heard if you look in the mirror and say "trump" 3 times you will be constipated

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Under austerity deficit spending decreased.

May is just stupid enough to risk that to stay in power.
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Help me , I'm seeing Donald Trump in front of me X)
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Joey.Bloggsy
Help me , I'm seeing Donald Trump in front of me X)


Am I missing something ? What is the news .
5 Likes #6
Joey.Bloggsy
Help me , I'm seeing Donald Trump in front of me X)


I heard if you look in the mirror and say "trump" 3 times you will be constipated
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There is a fundamental flaw in our nation, which is our inability to live within our means yet
the public, most of whom are net recipients, many of whom don't even pay tax, are turned off by austerity.!!
1 Like #8
The Tories have been well and truly neutered hahaha!
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airfix
There is a fundamental flaw in our nation, which is our inability to live within our means yet
the public, most of whom are net recipients, many of whom don't even pay tax, are turned off by austerity.!!

Massive overarching generalisation.

Austerity isn't solely exclusive to tax. It has impacted the NHS and Police services.
1 Like #10
Everyone knows that in the Conservatives you don't get your money from the magic tree.. you get it from the family tree ;)

She has lost every ounce of credibility and leadership... we are going into Brexit talks a laughing stock... and she only has herself to blame and now she has turned into a stripper...

In the words of N*E*R*D....

"While politicians is soundin' like strippers to me
They keep sayin' but I don't want to hear it


Ooh baby you want me?
Ooh baby you want me?
Ooh baby you want me?
Well you can get this lap dance here for free
Now you can get this lap dance here for free
Now you can get this lap dance here for free
Oooh baby you want me?
Now you can get this lap dance here for free"
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airfix
There is a fundamental flaw in our nation, which is our inability to live within our means yet
the public, most of whom are net recipients, many of whom don't even pay tax, are turned off by austerity.!!

The majority of the people within the UK, work, earn money, pay income tax and live within their means...

even those on benefits pay tax... we have a direct and indirect tax system which means whatever you do you get taxed, its impossible to live in the UK and not pay some sort of tax daily/hourly.
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airfix
There is a fundamental flaw in our nation, which is our inability to live within our means yetthe public, most of whom are net recipients, many of whom don't even pay tax, are turned off by austerity.!!
airfix
There is a fundamental flaw in our nation, which is our inability to live within our means yetthe public, most of whom are net recipients, many of whom don't even pay tax, are turned off by austerity.!!


those on benefits pay tax yes but its just circling the money, paid by tax payers. Problem many seem to forget is those that pay actual taxes that actually cant keep affording to pay tax and keep digging us out of the mess we are already in. Benefits are needed but lets not kid ourselves that someone on benefits is also a tax payer.

http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/

probably the most sensible comment on her in recent weeks, charged down yet again by people who think the normal person in the street can simply keep being taxed to the hilt, don't worry though lets make our grandchildrens grandchildrens, probably now grandchildren pay it off. :(

Edited By: eslick on Jun 13, 2017 12:51: Jun 13, 2017 12:51
#13
airfix
There is a fundamental flaw in our nation, which is our inability to live within our means yet
the public, most of whom are net recipients, many of whom don't even pay tax, are turned off by austerity.!!

If there was a fundamental flaw of that nature then our entire demestic economy is based on it and any changes to cut spending will be a disaster for everyone except the banks but even their they may find the extra they get in savings accounts will not make up for the loss of debt repayments
#14
eslick
airfix
There is a fundamental flaw in our nation, which is our inability to live within our means yetthe public, most of whom are net recipients, many of whom don't even pay tax, are turned off by austerity.!!
airfix
There is a fundamental flaw in our nation, which is our inability to live within our means yetthe public, most of whom are net recipients, many of whom don't even pay tax, are turned off by austerity.!!


those on benefits pay tax yes but its just circling the money, paid by tax payers. Problem many seem to forget is those that pay actual taxes that actually cant keep affording to pay tax and keep digging us out of the mess we are already in. Benefits are needed but lets not kid ourselves that someone on benefits is also a tax payer.

http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/

probably the most sensible comment on her in recent weeks, charged down yet again by people who think the normal person in the street can simply keep being taxed to the hilt, don't worry though lets make our grandchildrens grandchildrens, probably now grandchildren pay it off. :(

Of they are, VAT etc is tax, i pay my council tax not all do granted it depends on the area, but we pay our tax and are a industry in ourselves, how many civil servant are their employed to deal with benefits, how many service providers for free I.T training for the over 60s etc
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There are less and less civil servants due to the cutbacks. Inflation keeps rising, well above the 1% pay rise I can look forward to every year. This total BS about making sure our grandchildren won't have to pay our debt is total spin. Where will the grandchildren be living? At home with their parents due to lack of houses and too scared to go out in case they injure themselves and can't afford the hospital fees due to the collapse of the NHS.
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Inflation is higher than expected.
Brexit - the gift that keeps on giving (_;)
1 Like #17
eslick
airfix
There is a fundamental flaw in our nation, which is our inability to live within our means yetthe public, most of whom are net recipients, many of whom don't even pay tax, are turned off by austerity.!!
airfix
There is a fundamental flaw in our nation, which is our inability to live within our means yetthe public, most of whom are net recipients, many of whom don't even pay tax, are turned off by austerity.!!
those on benefits pay tax yes but its just circling the money, paid by tax payers. Problem many seem to forget is those that pay actual taxes that actually cant keep affording to pay tax and keep digging us out of the mess we are already in. Benefits are needed but lets not kid ourselves that someone on benefits is also a tax payer.http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/
probably the most sensible comment on her in recent weeks, charged down yet again by people who think the normal person in the street can simply keep being taxed to the hilt, don't worry though lets make our grandchildrens grandchildrens, probably now grandchildren pay it off. :(

You know you are in the wrong when you think that is a sensible comment.
1 Like #18
sufchenko
Inflation is higher than expected.
Brexit - the gift that keeps on giving (_;)

Lol, you ain't seen nothing yet
1 Like #19
Joey.Bloggsy
Lol, you ain't seen nothing yet


Back to Brexit ! have you all given up on Labour already ?
1 Like #20
Joey.Bloggsy
sufchenko
Inflation is higher than expected.
Brexit - the gift that keeps on giving (_;)
Lol, you ain't seen nothing yet
Well in light of the fact it's reported that disMays "hard" Brexit is a non starter that should please the remainers who were begging for an amicable soft brexit ( in other words no change , except we have to pay £60 billion to effect this non change)
1 Like #21
Tory Austerity:

We have poor working families who don't get free school meals, and millionaires with kids that do.
We have families that receive Child benefit who earn nearly double those who are ineligible to receive it because they earn too much!
Triple lock pensions while the rest have pay freezes and cuts and pay off the debt.
Winter fuel/bus passes etc for the rich.
11% payrise for the poor MP's.
#22
shasnir
Joey.Bloggsy
sufchenko
Inflation is higher than expected.
Brexit - the gift that keeps on giving (_;)
Lol, you ain't seen nothing yet
Back to Brexit ! have you all given up on Labour already ?

Back to brexit, excellent name for a sequel.

There are other parties than labour I have heard.
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No one should be happy or joyed at the situation. I understand if you are on the left or were anti May then you can see this a sword in her back.

The problem is, no one ends up winning, so you get tories who will always feel short sold. Labour voters who feel left out, people who were economically right but EU left did not win.

There is so much in the "press" this was vote on the EU/Brexit, it wasn't no one really talked about in the election and there was not enough in the manifestos to make a choice on the EU alone.

Hoping something means something when it doesn't is setting us all up for failure.

If your anti May/Tory/Brexit, then you should let May get on and try to drive her hard brexit through, if she fails then the government fails. New election, new start.

If your pro May/Tory/Brexit then you should support her, you will never get to know if what you wanted worked out if she forced to turn her back on everything she/you originally wanted.

The commitment from the people on both sides of the arguments, should be to May, you drew your sword, now fight your way out or die trying.

Encouraging her fall on her sword though will only leave bitter arguments to come which means this whole austerity, Brexit etc etc. will go and on for years to come.
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This might seem contradictory to how people perceive me in here but.....
I don't know enough difference between a soft brexit or hard brexit but I wouldn't have minded if TM did get a bigger majority , at least that would have given us clear direction and maybe a stronger hand in the negotiations so for me it's not all joy, for me it's another uncertainty in the direction we are going.
what's annoyed me is the comments that have been made in previous threads which put me right off brexit. (Along with other reasons)
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splatsplatsplat
Tory Austerity:We have poor working families who don't get free school meals, and millionaires with kids that do.We have families that receive Child benefit who earn nearly double those who are ineligible to receive it because they earn too much!Triple lock pensions while the rest have pay freezes and cuts and pay off the debt.Winter fuel/bus passes etc for the rich.11% payrise for the poor MP's.


Define poor . Define rich .

The pensioners that were going to be hit hardest with the withdrawal of winter fuel allowances were those that had savings which precluded them from means tested benefits and yet those savings earn next to nothing in interest and ultimately this leaves many of them with a far far less weekly income than those who exist on benefits. Not everyone had index linked pension schemes available to them.

It is a perverse logic that sees savings in the withdrawal of a heating allowance yet will quite happily pay grants to those buying new electric cars ( from £2500 to £ 4000 ) or will subsidise those buying houses ( help to buy equity loans etc ) or reward those buying council houses with literally gifts of tens of thousands of pounds by way of discount. A £ 78,000 ( £ 104,000 if you're in London ) discount on a council house adds up to a lot of £150 heating allowances, puts things in perspective a bit don't you think ?
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1854
splatsplatsplat
Tory Austerity:
We have poor working families who don't get free school meals, and millionaires with kids that do.
We have families that receive Child benefit who earn nearly double those who are ineligible to receive it because they earn too much!
Triple lock pensions while the rest have pay freezes and cuts and pay off the debt.
Winter fuel/bus passes etc for the rich.
11% payrise for the poor MP's.
Define poor . Define rich .
The pensioners that were going to be hit hardest with the withdrawal of winter fuel allowances were those that had savings which precluded them from means tested benefits and yet those savings earn next to nothing in interest and ultimately this leaves many of them with a far far less weekly income than those who exist on benefits. Not everyone had index linked pension schemes available to them.
It is a perverse logic that sees savings in the withdrawal of a heating allowance yet will quite happily pay grants to those buying new electric cars ( from £2500 to £ 4000 ) or will subsidise those buying houses ( help to buy equity loans etc ) or reward those buying council houses with literally gifts of tens of thousands of pounds by way of discount. A £ 78,000 ( £ 104,000 if you're in London ) discount on a council house adds up to a lot of £150 heating allowances, puts things in perspective a bit don't you think ?

Labour were increasing the discount on a council house?
Scotland hasn't had the right to buy for about a year now and housing isn't something I looked into as I don't have/want/need a council house. I don't think the right to buy scheme is a good idea.
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I'm all for electric cars though.
#28
Error440
eslick
airfix
There is a fundamental flaw in our nation, which is our inability to live within our means yetthe public, most of whom are net recipients, many of whom don't even pay tax, are turned off by austerity.!!
airfix
There is a fundamental flaw in our nation, which is our inability to live within our means yetthe public, most of whom are net recipients, many of whom don't even pay tax, are turned off by austerity.!!
those on benefits pay tax yes but its just circling the money, paid by tax payers. Problem many seem to forget is those that pay actual taxes that actually cant keep affording to pay tax and keep digging us out of the mess we are already in. Benefits are needed but lets not kid ourselves that someone on benefits is also a tax payer.http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/
probably the most sensible comment on her in recent weeks, charged down yet again by people who think the normal person in the street can simply keep being taxed to the hilt, don't worry though lets make our grandchildrens grandchildrens, probably now grandchildren pay it off. :(
Of they are, VAT etc is tax, i pay my council tax not all do granted it depends on the area, but we pay our tax and are a industry in ourselves, how many civil servant are their employed to deal with benefits, how many service providers for free I.T training for the over 60s etc

Let's put it another way, if everyone worked there was full employment everyone's tax would be used for all of the government services that would be the perfect world wouldn't it. Every penny created from tax would be earned. Perfect situation. If we add in benefits this comes from taxation of others, so yes you pay VAT etc but all that's happened is taxes are recycled around into the economy. Even the most staunch labour supporter can see a reduced tax burden increases the amount we spend on government services other than benefits. I used tax burden as a financial term and not a derogatory one and as I said benefits are needed. We must all agree I am sure that tax purely through employment is better than tax through benefit for the country as a whole.
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CoeK
I'm all for electric cars though.

And you had a go at me for an earlier comment, bet you say electric cars are good for the environment when reality just because they have zero emissions at the car they harm the environment in mining, manufacturing , shipping of batteries never mind the clean way we generate electricity for them.
#30
eslick
CoeK
I'm all for electric cars though.
And you had a go at me for an earlier comment, bet you say electric cars are good for the environment when reality just because they have zero emissions at the car they harm the environment in mining, manufacturing , shipping of batteries never mind the clean way we generate electricity for them.

I had a go at you, if you say so but there is no connection between that and my comment.

I understand all the usual arguments about electric cars, I've seen enough of them on here. I also agree that we should produce more electricity in greener ways.
I don't live next to a power station though. I do live near roads.
#31
CoeK
eslick
CoeK
I'm all for electric cars though.
And you had a go at me for an earlier comment, bet you say electric cars are good for the environment when reality just because they have zero emissions at the car they harm the environment in mining, manufacturing , shipping of batteries never mind the clean way we generate electricity for them.
I had a go at you, if you say so but there is no connection between that and my comment.
I understand all the usual arguments about electric cars, I've seen enough of them on here. I also agree that we should produce more electricity in greener ways.
I don't live next to a power station though. I do live near roads.

Your comment wasn't sensible that's what we both have in comment though I know only one actually was. :) your last comment is also not very sensible either, really you don't live near a power station is a good excuse to use a electric car. Forget about the other environmental impacts as it's not in your back yard. Shocking way of looking at things. No wonder you are happy to spend spend spend, sorry if that's not been you, because it's ok as it won't be your generation that will pay for it.
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1854
Define poor . Define rich .The pensioners that were going to be hit hardest with the withdrawal of winter fuel allowances were those that had savings which precluded them from means tested benefits and yet those savings earn next to nothing in interest and ultimately this leaves many of them with a far far less weekly income than those who exist on benefits. Not everyone had index linked pension schemes available to them.It is a perverse logic that sees savings in the withdrawal of a heating allowance yet will quite happily pay grants to those buying new electric cars ( from £2500 to £ 4000 ) or will subsidise those buying houses ( help to buy equity loans etc ) or reward those buying council houses with literally gifts of tens of thousands of pounds by way of discount. A £ 78,000 ( £ 104,000 if you're in London ) discount on a council house adds up to a lot of £150 heating allowances, puts things in perspective a bit don't you think ?

This and many other schemes to transfer money from the poor to rich .. Austerity.. As they called it , was rumbled a while back and they back tracked on numerous occasions.
It doesn't take a financial genius to stigmatise the poor and disabled and reduce benefits to them , at the same time dropping the top rate and cutting corporation tax to ludicrously low levels . Cutting police numbers because of funding , but striking a deal with Google , Facebook , Amazon , Starbucks and the like so they don't have to pay correct tax.
It just takes a morally corrupt person/party to administer this shameful deceit.
#33
eslick
CoeK
eslick
CoeK
I'm all for electric cars though.
And you had a go at me for an earlier comment, bet you say electric cars are good for the environment when reality just because they have zero emissions at the car they harm the environment in mining, manufacturing , shipping of batteries never mind the clean way we generate electricity for them.
I had a go at you, if you say so but there is no connection between that and my comment.
I understand all the usual arguments about electric cars, I've seen enough of them on here. I also agree that we should produce more electricity in greener ways.
I don't live next to a power station though. I do live near roads.

Your comment wasn't sensible that's what we both have in comment though I know only one actually was. :) your last comment is also not very sensible either, really you don't live near a power station is a good excuse to use a electric car. Forget about the other environmental impacts as it's not in your back yard. Shocking way of looking at things. No wonder you are happy to spend spend spend, sorry if that's not been you, because it's ok as it won't be your generation that will pay for it.



uh huh. I didn't vote labour. However if I was going to vote labour or conservative I would completely ignore your opinion on the matter.
#34
This and many other schemes to transfer money from the poor to rich .. Austerity.. As they called it , was rumbled a while back and they back tracked on numerous occasions.
It doesn't take a financial genius to stigmatise the poor and disabled and reduce benefits to them , at the same time dropping the top rate and cutting corporation tax to ludicrously low levels . Cutting police numbers because of funding , but striking a deal with Google , Facebook , Amazon , Starbucks and the like so they don't have to pay correct tax.
It just takes a morally corrupt person/party to administer this shameful deceit

Austerity cuts were essential to prevent the Credit agency from cutting our ratings further, and indicate to the money markets and IMF that the UK were willing to cut their huge debt, and manage their spending. If the Coalition hadn't shown the authorities this attempt, the interest rates and credit rating to borrow money on our national debt would be far higher, maybe double or treble the cost. Also many people blame the banks for the collapse, which is partly true, but most of the developed nations their populous have a massive amount of personal debt, especially private pensions.

Most of the industrialised nations have attempted to tackle Corporation Tax, but have failed miserably due to tax havens or countries set at low levels, protect this investment through blocking legislation. Also the complaints that austerity through taxation is hitting the lowly paid is incorrect as personal tax allowance and threshold to pay was heightened.

Unfortunately the issue with poverty in recent years have nothing to do with taxation, but rather poor financial management by the populous, overspending especially using credit, utility and service bills increasing, rent increases, and the largest factor food prices on non or semi-essential goods have nearly doubled in recent years! Worryingly poverty is further compounded by the local government agencies as Councils and Housing associations have targeted cuts at specific departments, personnel or services* usually that concentrate and assist the most vulnerable, deprived areas and people. This is unlike the 90's when tiers of management, and waste were targeted, and scrapped. So we're now seeing libraries close, council run elderly homes and respite facilities boarded up, waste contracts privatised all to save money.


Edited By: nemesiz on Jun 14, 2017 06:55: .
#35
Joey.Bloggsy
This might seem contradictory to how people perceive me in here but.....
I don't know enough difference between a soft brexit or hard brexit but I wouldn't have minded if TM did get a bigger majority , at least that would have given us clear direction and maybe a stronger hand in the negotiations so for me it's not all joy, for me it's another uncertainty in the direction we are going.
what's annoyed me is the comments that have been made in previous threads which put me right off brexit. (Along with other reasons)

Hard brexit is giving two fingers and walking off with nothing. Probably going cap in hand to trump for a trade deal and being laughed at, we might get a trade deal with Mexico.

Soft brexit is maintaining our trade by paying more money to the EU without any of the benefits of membership anymore and guarantee free or at least very easy movement of EU people.
#36
nemesiz
This and many other schemes to transfer money from the poor to rich .. Austerity.. As they called it , was rumbled a while back and they back tracked on numerous occasions.
It doesn't take a financial genius to stigmatise the poor and disabled and reduce benefits to them , at the same time dropping the top rate and cutting corporation tax to ludicrously low levels . Cutting police numbers because of funding , but striking a deal with Google , Facebook , Amazon , Starbucks and the like so they don't have to pay correct tax.
It just takes a morally corrupt person/party to administer this shameful deceit
Austerity cuts were essential to prevent the Credit agency from cutting our ratings further, and indicate to the money markets and IMF that the UK were willing to cut their huge debt, and manage their spending. If the Coalition hadn't shown the authorities this attempt, the interest rates and credit rating to borrow money on our national debt would be far higher, maybe double or treble the cost. Also many people blame the banks for the collapse, which is partly true, but most of the developed nations their populous have a massive amount of personal debt, especially private pensions.
Most of the industrialised nations have attempted to tackle Corporation Tax, but have failed miserably due to tax havens or countries set at low levels, protect this investment through blocking legislation. Also the complaints that austerity through taxation is hitting the lowly paid is incorrect as personal tax allowance and threshold to pay was heightened.
Unfortunately the issue with poverty in recent years have nothing to do with taxation, but rather poor financial management by the populous, overspending especially using credit, utility and service bills increasing, rent increases, and the largest factor food prices on non or semi-essential goods have nearly doubled in recent years! Worryingly poverty is further compounded by the local government agencies as Councils and Housing associations have targeted cuts at specific departments, personnel or services* usually that concentrate and assist the most vulnerable, deprived areas and people. This is unlike the 90's when tiers of management, and waste were targeted, and scrapped. So we're now seeing libraries close, council run elderly homes and respite facilities boarded up, waste contracts privatised all to save money.

nemesiz
This and many other schemes to transfer money from the poor to rich .. Austerity.. As they called it , was rumbled a while back and they back tracked on numerous occasions.
It doesn't take a financial genius to stigmatise the poor and disabled and reduce benefits to them , at the same time dropping the top rate and cutting corporation tax to ludicrously low levels . Cutting police numbers because of funding , but striking a deal with Google , Facebook , Amazon , Starbucks and the like so they don't have to pay correct tax.
It just takes a morally corrupt person/party to administer this shameful deceit
Austerity cuts were essential to prevent the Credit agency from cutting our ratings further, and indicate to the money markets and IMF that the UK were willing to cut their huge debt, and manage their spending. If the Coalition hadn't shown the authorities this attempt, the interest rates and credit rating to borrow money on our national debt would be far higher, maybe double or treble the cost. Also many people blame the banks for the collapse, which is partly true, but most of the developed nations their populous have a massive amount of personal debt, especially private pensions.
Most of the industrialised nations have attempted to tackle Corporation Tax, but have failed miserably due to tax havens or countries set at low levels, protect this investment through blocking legislation. Also the complaints that austerity through taxation is hitting the lowly paid is incorrect as personal tax allowance and threshold to pay was heightened.
Unfortunately the issue with poverty in recent years have nothing to do with taxation, but rather poor financial management by the populous, overspending especially using credit, utility and service bills increasing, rent increases, and the largest factor food prices on non or semi-essential goods have nearly doubled in recent years! Worryingly poverty is further compounded by the local government agencies as Councils and Housing associations have targeted cuts at specific departments, personnel or services* usually that concentrate and assist the most vulnerable, deprived areas and people. This is unlike the 90's when tiers of management, and waste were targeted, and scrapped. So we're now seeing libraries close, council run elderly homes and respite facilities boarded up, waste contracts privatised all to save money.
So because the banks were completely irresponsible and gave out 105% mortgages to people already in debt , and the USA housing market collapsed with the knock on effect felt here massively . This justifies a tax cut for the bankers who got us into this mess and benefits cuts for the disabled to offset it .?
#37
eslick
Error440
eslick
airfix
There is a fundamental flaw in our nation, which is our inability to live within our means yetthe public, most of whom are net recipients, many of whom don't even pay tax, are turned off by austerity.!!
airfix
There is a fundamental flaw in our nation, which is our inability to live within our means yetthe public, most of whom are net recipients, many of whom don't even pay tax, are turned off by austerity.!!
those on benefits pay tax yes but its just circling the money, paid by tax payers. Problem many seem to forget is those that pay actual taxes that actually cant keep affording to pay tax and keep digging us out of the mess we are already in. Benefits are needed but lets not kid ourselves that someone on benefits is also a tax payer.http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/
probably the most sensible comment on her in recent weeks, charged down yet again by people who think the normal person in the street can simply keep being taxed to the hilt, don't worry though lets make our grandchildrens grandchildrens, probably now grandchildren pay it off. :(
Of they are, VAT etc is tax, i pay my council tax not all do granted it depends on the area, but we pay our tax and are a industry in ourselves, how many civil servant are their employed to deal with benefits, how many service providers for free I.T training for the over 60s etc
Let's put it another way, if everyone worked there was full employment everyone's tax would be used for all of the government services that would be the perfect world wouldn't it. Every penny created from tax would be earned. Perfect situation. If we add in benefits this comes from taxation of others, so yes you pay VAT etc but all that's happened is taxes are recycled around into the economy. Even the most staunch labour supporter can see a reduced tax burden increases the amount we spend on government services other than benefits. I used tax burden as a financial term and not a derogatory one and as I said benefits are needed. We must all agree I am sure that tax purely through employment is better than tax through benefit for the country as a whole.

Depends on the employee, if they are hoarding cash in off shore accounts, sending half their wages home to latvia, paid cash in hand, claim to be self employed but are propped up on tax credits, paid so little they need top up benefits to live and are paid below income tax threshold.

Plus you can never have full employment if you had 100% employment and no unemployed it would be a economical disaster, same as the other way round. If you have full employment and very few unemployed wages would go thru the roof Everything would cost a fortune, bye bye export market, go too far the other way which i think we have with supply well outstripping demand and wages scrape the floor no one can afford anything without help, department stores replaced by poundland
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Error440
eslick
Error440
eslick
airfix
There is a fundamental flaw in our nation, which is our inability to live within our means yetthe public, most of whom are net recipients, many of whom don't even pay tax, are turned off by austerity.!!
airfix
There is a fundamental flaw in our nation, which is our inability to live within our means yetthe public, most of whom are net recipients, many of whom don't even pay tax, are turned off by austerity.!!
those on benefits pay tax yes but its just circling the money, paid by tax payers. Problem many seem to forget is those that pay actual taxes that actually cant keep affording to pay tax and keep digging us out of the mess we are already in. Benefits are needed but lets not kid ourselves that someone on benefits is also a tax payer.http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/
probably the most sensible comment on her in recent weeks, charged down yet again by people who think the normal person in the street can simply keep being taxed to the hilt, don't worry though lets make our grandchildrens grandchildrens, probably now grandchildren pay it off. :(
Of they are, VAT etc is tax, i pay my council tax not all do granted it depends on the area, but we pay our tax and are a industry in ourselves, how many civil servant are their employed to deal with benefits, how many service providers for free I.T training for the over 60s etc
Let's put it another way, if everyone worked there was full employment everyone's tax would be used for all of the government services that would be the perfect world wouldn't it. Every penny created from tax would be earned. Perfect situation. If we add in benefits this comes from taxation of others, so yes you pay VAT etc but all that's happened is taxes are recycled around into the economy. Even the most staunch labour supporter can see a reduced tax burden increases the amount we spend on government services other than benefits. I used tax burden as a financial term and not a derogatory one and as I said benefits are needed. We must all agree I am sure that tax purely through employment is better than tax through benefit for the country as a whole.
Depends on the employee, if they are hoarding cash in off shore accounts, sending half their wages home to latvia, paid cash in hand, claim to be self employed but are propped up on tax credits, paid so little they need top up benefits to live and are paid below income tax threshold.
Plus you can never have full employment if you had 100% employment and no unemployed it would be a economical disaster, same as the other way round. If you have full employment and very few unemployed wages would go thru the roof Everything would cost a fortune, bye bye export market, go too far the other way which i think we have with supply well outstripping demand and wages scrape the floor no one can afford anything without help, department stores replaced by poundland

ah you know what there really is no point in trying to ever explain that its always good not to be on benefits, there is always a come back. Reality is we shouldn't need a top up benefit system, we shouldn't have credits for self employed that's only a recent thing, everyone should be earning a decent wage I hope we can at least agree on that. What people do with their wages is up to them, they can send them to Latvia or putting money where ever, flush it down the toilet if needed, as long as its taxed and they spend some of that money which they have to to live then it does the economy some good.

Yes benefits are needed but no matter how you try and spin it people being employed and contributing to the economy is always better than relying on a benefit system.
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So because the banks were completely irresponsible and gave out 105% mortgages to people already in debt , and the USA housing market collapsed with the knock on effect felt here massively . This justifies a tax cut for the bankers who got us into this mess and benefits cuts for the disabled to offset it .?

Ever heard of the Stock Market Crash (Wall Street Crash) of 1929? The consequence, loss of confidence and collapse in the banking-system, and a world-wide depression for the next decade. A similar pattern occurred in 2008, except the government protected the system through existing legislation, and propping-up the market through acquiring struggling Banks. If Gordon Brown hadn't intervened with all the other major industrial nations, instead of a recession this country would be facing a depression. Unfortunately the costs and repercussions are still being felt today.
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nemesiz
...The consequence, loss of confidence and collapse in the banking-system,...

Someone had confidence in the banking system?!?

nemesiz
...Unfortunately the costs and repercussions are still being felt today.

But not by the rich, such as bankers and MP's apparently

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