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9y, 6m agoPosted 9 years, 6 months ago
Im learning in a manual and after 20 lessons i still hate it and wish it was never born ---- im gunna buy an auto and reteach myself the manouvers

So auto or manual

Obviously manual will win because like 5% of ppl in UK drive autos

But hassle free and more fun i think auto is the way to go

What you think
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9y, 6m agoPosted 9 years, 6 months ago
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#1
Manual without a doubt, Costs less and Goes quicker!

As for flappy paddle gearboxes, I'd like to see any learner insure a car with them!

Edit : But I like driving, So a manual makes sense.

Give me an F40 with a nice heavy/clunky dog leg gearbox any day!
[admin]#2
Our merc is auto and it's great.
However, stick to learning in a manual- If you're only licenced to drive automatics, it could affect job offers (where a company car or van is involved),, and being able to rent a car on holiday.... it's hard work but one day it'll just click! Good Luck x
#3
Manual all the way. Automatics confuse me
#4
As said, A manual is easy when you get used to it.

Its basically just the clutch you need to get used to, The gears are the easy bit.
#5
yeah and you need to get over strearing to the side when you change gears that took me aaaaaaaaaages
#6
jennybubbles
yeah and you need to get over strearing to the side when you change gears that took me aaaaaaaaaages


:? Over steering when changing gear?
#7
wouldn't it of been easier if all cars were made with automatic
#8
add-man
wouldn't it of been easier if all cars were made with automatic


No!!

Horrible horrible things, Like driving bloody go karts!
#9
Iom-RF
No!!

Horrible horrible things, Like driving bloody go karts!

I like go karts hate automatic cars though
#10
Get manual licence and drive automatics :) I personally prefer autos - much easier, esp in traffic jam and it can accelerate faster than 99% of manual drivers :) (I always drive first from traffic lights :)).
As to fuel consumption thing - you can get better returns from manual, this is true. But only if you know how to drive it. Most people don't so there is no advantage.

Once I raced Porsche Boxster from standstill at traffic lights, I was in Renault Scenic (!) 1.6 (!!) Automatic (!!!) and I won :) If I were the Boxster driver, I would take driving lessons afterwards.
#11
Kommunist
Get manual licence and drive automatics :) I personally prefer autos - much easier, esp in traffic jam and it can accelerate faster than 99% of manual drivers :) (I always drive first from traffic lights :)).


Depends what car you've got! :-D

If i was actually racing (Which i don't) then i'm sure 99.9% of manuals would beat automatics.
#12
Manual until all cars have the fully automatic system the Porsche 911 or expensive similars have switching gears faster than a human can @ optimum revs.

Semi automatics are improving, like VW Groups DSGs, next generation of that should totally beat anything a normal gear stick can do in theory.
#13
I dont care for manuals and i want ease of use and auto is that

Im gunna b leavin the house at like half 8 for work and a bit hilly and id go 3 miles more on flat land than go up a hill --- i hate the clutch its absolute hell

I had 10 lessons and wanted to switch over but my rents wouldnt let me so ive had 10 more and i still hate it -- i detest it
#14
Kommunist
drive automatics it can accelerate faster than 99% of manual drivers


I don't think so, you might have just been lucky at all the lights but make for make a stick will always beat an auto box. It is also very hard, actually you cannot slip an auto gearbox and that could be the difference between looking in front or eating dirt.

Another point, it is not right to tow anything with an auto box, one sure way to wreck it in about a third of the time you would take to abuse a manual box.

And one final point, you cannot jump start an auto box.

Therefore on those three points a manual box wins hands down.

PS Ask any traffic cop with car he would prefer in a chase situation and then you will know which is best for you. :whistling:
#15
dandoc2
Im gunna b leavin the house at like half 8 for work and a bit hilly and id go 3 miles more on flat land than go up a hill --- i hate the clutch its absolute hell


You shouldn't need to use the clutch if its a bit hilly or on flat land!

With Motorway driving there is next to no difference in a manual as you don't need to change gear, Its just cruising in 5th.

Plus being young, Autos are normally more expensive to buy/repair and more expensive to insure as there isn't a great choice of small engined auto's.
1 Like #16
Crazy1
I don't think so, you might have just been lucky at all the lights but make for make a stick will always beat an auto box. It is also very hard, actually you cannot slip an auto gearbox and that could be the difference between looking in front or eating dirt.

I agree with all points (apart from slip, but that's different matter. You can use kick down and all that...). If it comes to proper racing then manual will win hands down. There is another advantage manuals got over autos - driving on ice. I had to drive 12 hours from Helsinki to Rovaniemi on Christmas Eve several years ago. And, as it was Christmas Eve, roads weren't cleaned and driving wasn't easy. I was SO happy I had manual car! :)

But the reality is that not many drivers know how to drive manual and that's why auto is better suitable for normal roads in this country. Especially on M1, M25, M6 and so on. Not to even mention rush hour in towns. :(

So, as I said previously - manual licence is the MUST. First car, preferrably should be manual too, to get practice. Then, once OP learned how to drive manual, change to auto is easy.
#17
Kommunist
I agree with all points (apart from slip, but that's different matter. You can use kick down and all that...). If it comes to proper racing then manual will win hands down. There is another advantage manuals got over autos - driving on ice. I had to drive 12 hours from Helsinki to Rovaniemi on Christmas Eve several years ago. And, as it was Christmas Eve, roads weren't cleaned and driving wasn't easy. I was SO happy I had manual car! :)

But the reality is that not many drivers know how to drive manual and that's why auto is better suitable for normal roads in this country. Especially on M1, M25, M6 and so on. Not to even mention rush hour in towns. :(

So, as I said previously - manual licence is the MUST. First car, preferrably should be manual too, to get practice. Then, once OP learned how to drive manual, change to auto is easy.


You have even edited your first post, glad you came around to my way of thinking :giggle: :giggle: :giggle: :giggle: gonna give you a bit of street cred (rep) for that
1 Like #18
Iom-RF
Its just cruising in 5th.


What old banger have you got :giggle: I have 6 forward
#19
Crazy1
You have even edited your first post, glad you came around to my way of thinking :giggle: gonna give you a bit of street cred (rep) for that
Er.. I didn't? If you're talking about my first post here, then I edited it before you posted yours :)
So thanks for rep and have some in return (I know, tit for tat and all that, but who cares? :-D)

And, BTW, I still think that autos are easier to drive and more relaxing on a long journey ;-) I have two auto cars. Strictly speaking, the second one is not auto (but not manual either, as there are no gears as such) but I guess it still counts.
#20
Auto's can't do burnouts.*


*Not that it often matters.
#21
Crazy1
What old banger have you got :giggle: I have 6 forward


Not everyone can afford new cars!

Still, How often do you actually use 6th?
#22
Oh yeah, automatics cost more initially on a car and are generally use 20%+ more fuel costing you thousands more if you have one throughout your driving life.

Automatics also proven to be slower on general consumer cars than manual (unless you drive like an old woman) check the stats for every car, manual vs. auto, auto is slower)

Yet to see an automatic which is more fuel efficient than a manual, again check stats of any car, it has higher MPG
#23
schizoboy
Oh yeah, automatics cost more initially on a car and are generally use 20%+ more fuel costing you thousands more if you have one throughout your driving life.

In theory, you're right. In practice, not many people know how to save fuel driving manuals.


Automatics also proven to be slower on general consumer cars than manual (unless you drive like an old woman) check the stats for every car, manual vs. auto, auto is slower)

Also true. That's why I always drive first off traffic lights. In automatics. ;-)


Yet to see an automatic which is more fuel efficient than a manual, again check stats of any car, it has higher MPG

I think Honda Jazz is one of those but too lazy to check the stats.
#24
How about a smart car?

You have to wait about a day to change gear!
#25
Is this the same gearbox as in Mitsu Colt? I test drove it and hated it so much it is impossible to express it without using 4-lettered words. But in Mitsu it is not automatic - it is what they called 'robotic'.
#26
Is that the one with the "overtaking gear" which has no power whatsoever.
#27
Iom-RF
Is that the one with the "overtaking gear" which has no power whatsoever.

Dunno. The one I drove had sort of auto 'box and, unlike in auto cars, where acceleration is constant (more or less) I had to release accelerator a bit to allow it to switch gears, then continue. Basically, think about manual box, which changes gears whenever it likes, but you have to guess when it does it and (de)press accelerator accordingly. I'd rather have pure manual or pure auto, not crazy things like this one.
#28
Manual is more fun. End of.
#29
It's **** easy to drive economically in a manual, automatics not so, yet (invitably they'll catch up with manuals in current tree hugging enviroment)

Your're faster of the lights because 99% of people arn't in a rush? and the automatic system does the work for you where as those at the lights need to manually engage the clutch? lol Anyone on the biting point on a manual in similarly spec'd car at the lights would own you.

Nice to hear about the honda jazz, but i suspect that is bad driving habits and someone who knows how to drive economically im pretty sure could beat the automatic, again this will change in current motoring industry, unless in a 911 or similar with a start button programmed in :), however I imagine with far far more effort than it would take in manual I think automatics if in semi automatic mode, depending on car, could match a manual.

If i remember, clarkson driving to scotland in a audi a6 diesel automatic got a great MPG, nearly 1000miles from 1 tank, but he did have to drive stupidly slow desperate to stop the automatic gears changing at lowish revs etc, so very impractical for an automatic to be economical, far less so in a manual.

With Porsche (with its "faster than manual" automatic tiptronic system) and the biggest stakeholder in VW Group and with VW having its DSG system, it's going to be interesting to see what VW/Audi/Seat/Skoda comes up with.
#30
But Porsche technology isn't going to be cheap for a long while yet and can you imagine how expensive the gearbox unit would cost to replace!

If looked after a manual gearbox rarely needs replacing unless you constantly crunch in gears or put strain on the car by adding more power than intended.
#31
I don't really understand why there is even an option for an able bodied person to take a test which means the driver will only be able to 'drive' an automatic vehicle? - fair enough to drive an automatic after you've passed - some people enjoy the ease and comfort.
I realise i will be slated to an inch of my life for even hinting this...but is it so challenging being able to co-ordinate gear changing and other driving controls?

....better go now....i need to iron my hair shirt for tomorrow!!
#32
jelli89
....better go now....i need to iron my hair shirt for tomorrow!!


What one of those when its at home?
#33
Iom-RF
But Porsche technology isn't going to be cheap for a long while yet and can you imagine how expensive the gearbox unit would cost to replace!

If looked after a manual gearbox rarely needs replacing unless you constantly crunch in gears or put strain on the car by adding more power than intended.

True it'll be a quite a while until it filters down but... though I think was a bit wrong, VW Group DSG paddle semi automatic system:

http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/3983/golfen8.jpg

DSG actually faster... :whistling: and note complete lack of any bloody fully automatic system
#34
jelli89
I don't really understand why there is even an option for an able bodied person to take a test which means the driver will only be able to 'drive' an automatic vehicle? - fair enough to drive an automatic after you've passed - some people enjoy the ease and comfort.
I realise i will be slated to an inch of my life for even hinting this...but is it so challenging being able to co-ordinate gear changing and other driving controls?

....better go now....i need to iron my hair shirt for tomorrow!!


Couldn't agree more, simple enough to use a manual, you have to wonder about the competence of people on the road, in a people killing machine that cannot use a manual.
#35
J.Dance
What one of those when its at home?

hair shirt n.... A coarse haircloth garment worn next to the skin as penance
#36
Slightly off topic, but on the same subject

Anyway, enough talk about MPG, the figures you get in the brochure is calculates on an eight of a mile rolling road and multiplied up to the mile mark, and how many of us drive on a rolling road? exactly. :whistling:

The government allows the car manufactures think you can achieve these figures because every time you fill up, you fill up the coffers of the government.

Also one of the reasons that the Government will not allow Honda to release the (diesel) 400 mile a gallon car onto the UK roads, why? because you will fill up less and less means less taxes for the government, imagine how many miles you would get in your car, if it did 400 mpg. I would get 9510 miles per tank as against 650 that I presently get. I would only fill the tank every 58 days instead of every 4 days. I would only spend £94 every 58 days as against the present £1363 I pay prorata, losing the government about £1008 every time I fill up, over the year I would be saving about £6500.

Motoring is a very political topic :thumbsup:
#37
Crazy1
Slightly off topic, but on the same subject

Anyway, enough talk about MPG, the figures you get in the brochure is calculates on an eight of a mile rolling road and multiplied up to the mile mark, and how many of us drive on a rolling road? exactly. :whistling:

The government allows the car manufactures think you can achieve these figures because every time you fill up, you fill up the coffers of the government.

Also one of the reasons that the Government will not allow Honda to release the (diesel) 400 mile a gallon car onto the UK roads, why? because you will fill up less and less means less taxes for the government, imagine how many miles you would get in your car, if it did 400 mpg. I would get 9510 miles per tank as against 650 that I presently get. I would only fill the tank every 58 days instead of every 4 days. I would only spend £94 every 58 days as against the present £1363 I pay prorata, losing the government about £1008 every time I fill up, over the year I would be saving about £6500.

Motoring is a very political topic :thumbsup:


Er what honda? got a url?
#38
Crazy1
Also one of the reasons that the Government will not allow Honda to release the (diesel) 400 mile a gallon car onto the UK roads, why? because you will fill up less and less means less taxes for the government, imagine how many miles you would get in your car, if it did 400 mpg. I would get 9510 miles per tank as against 650 that I presently get. I would only fill the tank every 58 days instead of every 4 days. I would only spend £94 every 58 days as against the present £1363 I pay prorata, losing the government about £1008 every time I fill up, over the year I would be saving about £6500.

Motoring is a very political topic :thumbsup:


No offence Crazy but I call BS on that one.

Why would the government still allow people to use LPG? and how would they have the power to stop a manufacture making an efficient car?
#39
jelli89
I don't really understand why there is even an option for an able bodied person to take a test which means the driver will only be able to 'drive' an automatic vehicle? - fair enough to drive an automatic after you've passed - some people enjoy the ease and comfort.
I realise i will be slated to an inch of my life for even hinting this...but is it so challenging being able to co-ordinate gear changing and other driving controls?

....better go now....i need to iron my hair shirt for tomorrow!!


Clutch not gears i find hard and i get realy nervous i hate it --auto all the way
#40
dandoc2
Clutch not gears i find hard and i get realy nervous i hate it --auto all the way


Thats the thing, Clutch control and the worst thing and for me is trying to find the right seat position (which moves all the time in a learner car!).

As for clutch control, Bring the clutch up very slowly (in 1st with handbrake) on its own untill you feel the car is ready, Bonnet has risen or Creaking (if creaking drop is very slowly, depth of a £1 coin movements etc.)

Once your able to find that precise biting point, Throw a bit of power (normally 1.5k revs, More like 2k for hills) and its a lot easier!!

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