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independently tested. results in depth here......no awards for AVG (no surprise) http://www.av-comparatives.org/images/stories/test/summary/summary2010.pdf Avira's full product does very well. … Read More
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6y, 4m agoPosted 6 years, 4 months ago
independently tested. results in depth here......no awards for AVG (no surprise)
http://www.av-comparatives.org/images/stories/test/summary/summary2010.pdf

Avira's full product does very well.
as does the HDUK hated Norton! (joint gold award)

Product of the year was F-Secure
joint was Symantec's Norton internet security
with Avira and Kaspersky in 2nd and 3rd places.

very thorough testing and reviews.
but I guess that even though Norton Security is in the top 2 for the 2nd year (last years number 1), its still the software that is the worst in some people's eyes...cos of its past rep and people being closed minded and not wanting to accept that things CAN and DO change.

the results speak for themselves.
good reviews for most of the software but make your own minds up.....to continue to **** off Norton.

me...I'm happy with Kaspersky but am interested in giving F-Secure a trial to see what the fuss is about!
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6y, 4m agoPosted 6 years, 4 months ago
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#1
I love Norton *Cough... No really i mean it

OP your so right about people on here being closed minded about nortoqn, but they wont change and they will come and argue about it, cos they used the 2003 version or they will pretent they used 2010 (when really they are jsut closed minded and fibbing or crap with software and cant use it correctly) lol
#2
Never used Avira before.. will have to check it out when my Kaspersky runs out in a few months!

Regarding Norton - I'd be interested to hear other's positive feedback on it as I'm curious as to what it's like now. My only experience of it was indeed in 2003 (or around then), when it was bloated and overpriced which has put me off to this day! I'd certainly be open to trying it if it's highly rated these days

Edited By: oldmanhouse on Jan 26, 2011 03:17
#3
Hmm may try norton
Been years since I had it
#4
You do realize most reviews are bias and have been influenced by back handers.

I would agree that Norton has improved over the year's, The biggest problem's of the past were the fact it was a massive resource hog and acted like a virus in itself.

However it's possible that because pc's are that bit faster now it's not such a problem, On an old pc it'd probably still be a resource hog.
#5
...although it's irrelevant.

Fact is, viral infection is always the user's own fault. The vast majority of viruses proliferate by taking advantage of gullible users, and the rest make their way around by creeping through security holes, which again can be plugged by diligent users updating their software on time. Because of this, by far the most important part of system security is pro-active defense and security hole plugging, and that's where Microsoft's Security Center, with its combination of Windows Update and MSE wins.
#6
its not irrelevent, I dont like MSE spying on me and feeding info back to microsoft about what I use my computer for.

have kaspersky 2011 on my pc and its fine.
have norton 2011 90day trial on the laptop and it currently using 8mb ram idle.

if microsoft did their job properly and made a decent secure OS....we wouldnt have these 'discussions'.

as for the reviews being biased and based on backhanders, surely they wouldnt be voting a different product of the year every year. am sure Norton is a much bigger company than F-Secure...yet they only came joint 1st, not 1st outright.

some people just cannot possibly accept that software can change and get better.
go find a BAD pro review of Norton since 2009's overhaul.....bribes? really?
banned#7
inb4 some loony claims AVG free does a great job!
#8
slackrat77
its not irrelevent, I dont like MSE spying on me and feeding info back to microsoft about what I use my computer for.

have kaspersky 2011 on my pc and its fine.
have norton 2011 90day trial on the laptop and it currently using 8mb ram idle.

if microsoft did their job properly and made a decent secure OS....we wouldnt have these 'discussions'.


But Microsoft have made a secure OS. The only way to execute code on someone's system is to discover and implement an open security hole, and Microsoft do an excellent job at preventing such things. Remember the Sasser worm from years ago? It served as a serious wake-up call to Microsoft that they had to treat vulnerabilities seriously. They've done a very good job for several years now.

By the way, I should probably point out the hypocrisy of your "Norton is great now, all you people are just stuck in the past, things can and do change" attitude, when your opinion of Windows seems to be stuck in the 9x era.
#9
i dont agree, the amount of security holes within windows seems to be just as many as it was before.
i've used every version of windows so far and tried all manner of AV software. worked as a self emplyed repair tech and also within a PC repair shop too and I do agree that most virus and malware infection is down to user error or lack of knowledge, but the microsoft OS is as vulnerable as its always been.

Windows 7 seems a lot more stable than Vista was but the security risks don't seem to have changed much.
having said that, I've been out of the repair game for about 2 years now since getting made redundant I took a job with Dixons group (wish I never had, feels like selling your soul) and theres no need for any tech knowledge within this company at all.
been trying to get back into another repair business lately.

dxx have you got any info about the updated lack of vulnerability within windows 7?
am busy re-reading all the comptia A+ and N+ stuff I did like 5 years ago, plus all the MCSE stuff I did but my company wouldnt put me thru the exams (cheapskates!)
#10
My dislike for Norton is nothing to do with being closed minded or anything else, it's because I regularly work with the software and find it frequently misses malware completely or better yet kills the PC completely. I've spent several hours trying to sort a PC over the last couple of days which had seemingly a Windows activation error which meant the PC errored on startup and would go no further. Eventually I found it wasn't a Windows problem so decided to look at Norton and surprise, surprise it was the guilty culprit all along. When I removed it and put an alternative AV in its place the machine worked flawlessly without the rebuild I thought it was needing, the machine was rarely online and no scans showed any sign of malware on the PC from various pieces of software.

A few months ago I was dealing with an infection on a network that had spread quickly despite all the machines being 'protected' by Norton which was up to date, the malware had no trouble getting onto the PCs and spreading like wildfire.

Hence my continued dislike for Norton, in my view anti-virus software which does more damage than actual malware while also failing to stop malware is not a very useful product. My experiences with McAfee are similar despite it getting various awards for the AV product although in addition to Norton it also managed numerous false positives on common, well known software.

i dont agree, the amount of security holes within windows seems to be just as many as it was before.
i've used every version of windows so far and tried all manner of AV software. worked as a self emplyed repair tech and also within a PC repair shop too and I do agree that most virus and malware infection is down to user error or lack of knowledge, but the microsoft OS is as vulnerable as its always been.

I don't agree at all and I can't see how anyone who has apparently experience of Windows operating systems could make such a claim unless you've a very, very short memory. I certainly remember the bad old days of Windows 2000/early XP and IE6 with no OS firewall or not enabled by default, the shell coupled into IE, no UAC and various other security holes which made malware rife. I particularly remember for months on end having to deal with a sizable download on my cable modem which just down to thousands of infected XP PCs on Telewest (those outside the network were being filtered) trying to infect my systems with a variant of the MSblaster virus. I also spent many hours cleansing systems of malware which was just about always the cause of problems with PCs whereas with Vista/7 PCs it's much less common leaving me more often with hardware faults.

Microsoft learned their lesson with Vista and 7 and substantially improved their security, to suggest they're no different than their predecessors is a joke. After finally binning IE6 they also decoupled the Windows shell from Internet Explorer which made it more difficult for that type of malware to get into the system. Both OS's improve technologies introduced in XP such as DEP and the firewall gets a substantial boost as well being able to handle remote policies as well as local ones. While UAC is cited as being 'annoying' it's another useful step for limiting malware, I've come across a few infected machines where the user has turned off UAC and after a rebuild with strict instructions to leave UAC on there's been no further issues.

Technically of course you can still set yourself as admin, remove UAC, disable automatic updates etc. and end up getting infected but that's nothing to do with the OS itself as you can similarly trash an OSX or Linux install by turning off their security measures as well.

John
#11
thing is my experiences have been slightly different to yours.
i spent years dealing with peoples home pcs with various problems and I say with no word of a lie, I saw more PCs and laptops with AVG free than any other AV, including the old versions of Norton, which is why I'm dead against AVG free.

you can only go on your own experiences.
as I said, when Win7 came out, I was already working for DSG and havent had much to do with the repair side. with Vista, we (the store I worked for) were constantly plagued with problems with security and virus/malware intrusion.

as for Norton, since 2009, I've not had any problems with it personally or from any of the friends comps I look after on the side.
Bullguard has been a nightmare on Advent comps cos unless you activate it, it connects but doesnt allow browsing.

as I said before, I've been out of the tech side for almost 3 years now and I'm really missing it.
i feel so stoopid being just a salesman cos the general public dont trust a word we say (true or otherwise!!).
you can have all the product and tech knowledge in the world but the reputation of the big electronics companies is that of the shark salesman who just wants his commission.
i havent EVER seen any commission from DSG.

I need to get back to being a repair tech again. I loved the job I had but sadly the location and shall we say 'dodgy' activities of one of my bosses, forced the store to the point of virtual closure where 3 of us got made redundant within weeks of each other and i needed a job.
my own fault for being lax and not chasing another tech job!

anyone remember a virus out there, which I got back in 1999 on dial up on Win98.
switched the old PC on one day and it said "Not Today" after it logged into windows.
then switched off.
had to phone a friend who told me how to get into safe mode and do some removing.
after that I put myself through Comptia A+ and N+

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