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6y, 6m agoPosted 6 years, 6 months ago
I need somewhere to rant about the selfish idiots, who may cost me hundreds of pounds because of their incredible arrogance.

Lots of us work in the private sector, and we all have had to accept that businesses may have to make cuts to survive the recession. BA cabin crew however think they have the divine right to ruin people lives for the sake of a petty argument.

If they had even the slightest understanding of the impact of this pathetic strike, maybe they would think twice, before voting to walk out for 20 days ridiculous bitterness.

I hope they all get the sack.
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6y, 6m agoPosted 6 years, 6 months ago
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#1
selfish

lol irony & petty argument
#2
They will strike themselves out of a job.
#3
casparwhite
selfish

lol irony & petty argument


excuse me?

I've paid thousands of pounds recently, so that my family can visit my terminaly ill mother.

I may never get to see her again, because some people are annoyed that they've lost their travel perks.

please, accept my apologies for this selfish statement.

(p.s. I know i'll get my money back for the flights)
#4
dr_badbeats
excuse me?

I've paid thousands of pounds recently, so that my family can visit my terminaly ill mother.

I may never get to see her again, because some people are annoyed that they've lost their travel perks.

please, accept my apologies for this selfish statement.

(p.s. I know i'll get my money back for the flights)


tbh it serves yourself right for booking BA knowing all the fiasco there has been recently which has not been resolved.........why book BA?

may sound harsh but its as harsh as you criticising people for protecting their jobs because of a "petty argument"

selfish indeed
#5
See anyone who I knwo who travels regularly and there is a fair few, they never book BA anymore, especially since the prospective Christmas/Easter fiasco. It's just asking for trouble so inevitably they are trying to protect their jobs, they will suffer.
#6
they are exercising their democratic right to strike
#7
I think I have flown once with BA but in the last few years they have priced themselves out of the competition by massive margins. I doubt I will fly with them again, not because I don't want to but because they are usually twice that of other airlines.
#8
Seems that if the British do it they are seen as lazy workshy idiots who want everything on a plate.

If the French do it we think they are great and admire them standing up together against the 'system'.

Wierd.
#9
greg_68
Seems that if the British do it they are seen as lazy workshy idiots who want everything on a plate.

If the French do it we think they are great and admire them standing up together against the 'system'.

Wierd.


who admires the french?

are you sane
#10
dr_badbeats
excuse me?

I've paid thousands of pounds recently, so that my family can visit my terminaly ill mother.

I may never get to see her again, because some people are annoyed that they've lost their travel perks.

please, accept my apologies for this selfish statement.

(p.s. I know i'll get my money back for the flights)


Try another flight company?
#11
I get the feeling that striking is similar to blackmail. Basically i'm not going to do what you want me to unless you give me what I want, so the airline cannot win.
#12
casparwhite
tbh it serves yourself right for booking BA knowing all the fiasco there has been recently which has not been resolved.........why book BA?

may sound harsh but its as harsh as you criticising people for protecting their jobs because of a "petty argument"

selfish indeed


lots of points here.

I booked these flights over a year ago, knowing what I know now of course I would have avoided them, the flights were the best deal I could get at the tim

Protecting their jobs? if you work in the private sector you have to accept that there are changes in terms of employment, especially the company is posting massive losses. if they don't make changes the company could go under at some point, (or bought out by someone else) and that could mean everyone loses their job, with no redundancy.

the "petty argument" is that one of the main reason for this strike is to re-instate the travel perks for those that lost them due to striking last time, which was made clear to them at the time.

nearly 3 million people are unemployed in this country, some people think they can treat their job with complete disrespect.

and yes I believe striking, or their travel perks argument, and having no consideration for who that affects is selfish.

I think expecting a company and it's employees to provide a service for which you have paid thousands of pounds for, is not selfish.
#13
bigfoot100
I get the feeling that striking is similar to blackmail. Basically i'm not going to do what you want me to unless you give me what I want, so the airline cannot win.


maybe do some research then ..........
#14
bigfoot100
I get the feeling that striking is similar to blackmail. Basically i'm not going to do what you want me to unless you give me what I want, so the airline cannot win.


yep! Being the best paid seems not to be enough for them :roll:
#15
DragonChris
Try another flight company?


I'm obviously going to try and do everything I can to get there, but it's "up in the air" so to speak, at the moment....
#16
leilahfun
yep! Being the best paid seems not to be enough for them :roll:


best paid compared to who exactly?
#17
casparwhite
best paid compared to who exactly?


They said on the news last time round that they are better paid than Virgin and i can guess that the cheaper airlines will get loads less.
#18
casparwhite
best paid compared to who exactly?


They are better paid than their equivalents, I think BA are paid on average double than those at Virgin.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/transport/article6466748.ece
banned#19
dr_badbeats
excuse me?

I've paid thousands of pounds recently, so that my family can visit my terminaly ill mother.

I may never get to see her again, because some people are annoyed that they've lost their travel perks.

please, accept my apologies for this selfish statement.

(p.s. I know i'll get my money back for the flights)


Apology accepted.

You're terminally ill Mother (as sad as that is) isn't really relavant to the actions by BA staff though is it?

Since I know a few trolly dolly's who work for BA, I probably would have thought the same as has been said itt (ie they are going to strike themselves out of a job.) However, I know undestrand fully and if it brought the company down, then so be it. Travel perks are the tip of the iceberg.
#20
leilahfun
They said on the news last time round that they are better paid than Virgin and i can guess that the cheaper airlines will get loads less.


tinkerbell28
They are better paid than their equivalents, I think BA are paid on average double than those at Virgin.


do we have any proof

as i know that thai airlines pay around £600- £800 a month for a flight attendant
#21
casparwhite
do we have any proof

as i know that thai airlines pay around £600- £800 a month for a flight attendant


http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/transport/article6466748.ece

Figures from some source or another. When it all started to kick off last year.......
#22
tinkerbell28
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/transport/article6466748.ece

Figures from some source or another. When it all started to kick off last year.......


can we have the source rather than a journalists word for it please

i dont believe what i read without proof

also what are the hours, responsibilities etc etc are they comparable, like for like?
#23
casparwhite
can we have the source rather than a journalists word for it please

i dont believe what i read without proof


It was data from the civil aviation authority that was quoted:thumbsup: so go look it up if your are really concerned about it and need proof.
#24
tinkerbell28
It was data from the civil aviation authority that was quoted:thumbsup: so go look it up if your are really concerned about it and need proof.


im not the 1 stating that BA staff get paid more than everyone else:roll:
#25
Going on strike is at cost to themselves. They have mortgages, rent, utility bills, kids to bring up, etc. If people feel that they have no other avenue than to strike, it would be good to appreciate their personal sacrifice
#26
guv
Apology accepted.

You're terminally ill Mother (as sad as that is) isn't really relavant to the actions by BA staff though is it?

Since I know a few trolly dolly's who work for BA, I probably would have thought the same as has been said itt (ie they are going to strike themselves out of a job.) However, I know undestrand fully and if it brought the company down, then so be it. Travel perks are the tip of the iceberg.


I would say that my mother IS relevant to BA staff, as I am their customer and she is the reason my family and I are flying with them.
#27
casparwhite
im not the 1 stating that BA staff get paid more than everyone else:roll:


It's been talked about for the past year, and those quotes from the caa prove it in my eyes, if you want more proof to prove your point find it:)
#28
casparwhite
do we have any proof

as i know that thai airlines pay around £600- £800 a month for a flight attendant


The issues is not, and should not be the amount of pay, as you agree that when you accept the job.

that would mean that only the lowest paid should strike.

Striking issues are always based on changse to working conditions, safety compromises.
#29
tinkerbell28
It's been talked about for the past year, and those quotes from the caa prove it in my eyes, if you want more proof to prove your point find it:)


ok then......

are the figures like for like......no they are not as can be seen from that article!!!!!

doesnt take a genius to see those figures are being manipulated to prove a point to sell newspapers

average salaries, overtime, age etc

i thought you were better than that TB but obviously i was wrong
#30
I personally think that if they want to strike then well thats up to them and the union representing them, I am sure they have good reasons to do so, much more than what is being said in the media.

I do however think they need to be careful as they may end up jobless, which I am sure is a situation they do not want to be in I doubt that it will be very easy for them to find work in the same sector again and still get a similar rate of pay. I personally would not book with BA due to the disruptions and I am sure many people feel the same which endangers to company more.

OP since you are getting your money back from BA you can book your flights with another company now, or is it too late to get anything? I know its a inconvinience and maybe a bit more expensive but surely worth it to get to your mum?
banned#31
dr_badbeats
I would say that my mother IS relevant to BA staff, as I am their customer and she is the reason my family and I are flying with them.


So you booked flights with BA over a year ago (which is a surprise in itself as I thought a year was the max) stating that you were visiting your termanaly ill mother - and this meant your journey was more valid than anyone else's?

It isn't..... and stating

"I need somewhere to rant about the selfish idiots, who may cost me hundreds of pounds because of their incredible arrogance.

Lots of us work in the private sector, and we all have had to accept that businesses may have to make cuts to survive the recession. BA cabin crew however think they have the divine right to ruin people lives for the sake of a petty argument.

If they had even the slightest understanding of the impact of this pathetic strike, maybe they would think twice, before voting to walk out for 20 days ridiculous bitterness.

I hope they all get the sack."


will get zero sympathy from me for stating what you have and highlights its YOU that is the selfish one here.
#32
dr_badbeats
The issues is not, and should not be the amount of pay, as you agree that when you accept the job.

that would mean that only the lowest paid should strike.

Striking issues are always based on changse to working conditions, safety compromises.


its not me saying its the rate of pay that they are striking over

i know its not just that:thumbsup:


how i love this country and all the imbeciles that live here
#33
casparwhite
ok then......

are the figures like for like......no they are not as can be seen from that article!!!!!

doesnt take a genius to see those figures are being manipulated to prove a point to sell newspapers

average salaries, overtime, age etc

i thought you were better than that TB but obviously i was wrong


Better than what? Geez calm down CW it's the internet some people have differering opinions, that's all. You are very pro strike it would seem I am anti it, I think it ruins business.
#34
tinkerbell28
Better than what? Geez calm down CW it's the internet some people have differering opinions, that's all. You are very pro strike it would seem I am anti it, I think it ruins business.


calm down.....lol

so me putting my point across and wanting to have a discussion based on fact rather than unbalanced sensationlist journalism is me needing to calm down

grow up ffs
#35
tracyhay
I personally think that if they want to strike then well thats up to them and the union representing them, I am sure they have good reasons to do so, much more than what is being said in the media.

I do however think they need to be careful as they may end up jobless, which I am sure is a situation they do not want to be in I doubt that it will be very easy for them to find work in the same sector again and still get a similar rate of pay. I personally would not book with BA due to the disruptions and I am sure many people feel the same which endangers to company more.

OP since you are getting your money back from BA you can book your flights with another company now, or is it too late to get anything? I know its a inconvinience and maybe a bit more expensive but surely worth it to get to your mum?


I'm looking into booking with another company, however i'm firstly not sure whether my flight is cancelled yet, I'll find out on the 30th.
#36
does the OP wish to ban the right to strike then?
#37
roryk83
they are exercising their democratic right to strike


Pity there's not a democratic right to sack them...
banned#38
dr_badbeats
The issues is not, and should not be the amount of pay, as you agree that when you accept the job.

that would mean that only the lowest paid should strike.

Striking issues are always based on changse to working conditions, safety compromises.


I don't agree with the striking as it's detremental to them in the long run. But as you said they agree to conditions when they take the job but that means they can disagree with changes to those conditions. I do agree with the rights for someone to strike but I think it is very stupid of them to do it now with the economic climate and the recent ash activity. And personally I would like a lot of them to get the sack but it won't happen.

And they are only as selfish as people like the OP. Unfortunate as some people's situations may be that have booked a flight with BA, they knew there was a risk of futher strikes and they will get their money back and can book another flight. While those on strike are giving up their time to protest and losing out on pay to make a stand
#39
Alfonse
does the OP wish to ban the right to strike then?


well it seems the courts thinks its not right either is that twice they have had it overturned now:? not been following it that much tbh
banned#40
Alfonse
does the OP wish to ban the right to strike then?


No. But I think the OP wants to have strike actions passed via them to see whether they approve or not.:w00t:

I doubt too many would be happy with their contracts torn up, huge pay cuts, longer hours, privilidges removed etc... but BA staff should be happy and sign "'cos at least they have a job".

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