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Baby dies after language mix-up

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8y, 2m agoPosted 8 years, 2 months ago
A 10-month-old girl choked to death in a street as her Chinese mother struggled to explain to neighbours what was wrong, police said.

The mother, who is believed not to be an English speaker, ran into the street in Darlington to raise the alarm after her baby choked on a piece of apple.

The infant was taken to the town's memorial hospital on 19 September, but later died.
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#1
Full story at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7637171.stm

This just goes to show whey immigrants in this country should have to pass a comprehensive English test, not only so they can get on in this country, but also for their own, and others safety
banned#2
peodude
Full story at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7637171.stm

This just goes to show whey immigrants in this country should have to pass a comprehensive English test, not only so they can get on in this country, but also for their own, and others safety


Bit unfair, the woman could have been on holiday. I have been to many countries but cannot speak the language. Plus the article states 'The pathologist said it was highly unlikely that anyone could have saved the baby once she started to choke.'

Lets jump on the immigrant bandwagon at any chance we get
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True...language has got nothing to do with, also would they have been able to seen that the baby was suffocating?
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hankmarvin4
Bit unfair, the woman could have been on holiday. I have been to many countries but cannot speak the language. Plus the article states 'The pathologist said it was highly unlikely that anyone could have saved the baby once she started to choke.'

Lets jump on the immigrant bandwagon at any chance we get


Naeem786
True...language has got nothing to do with, also would they have been able to seen that the baby was suffocating?


Agree with both^^

Such a shame though :-( xx
#5
I've just been reading about this .... so very sad
#6
hankmarvin4
Bit unfair, the woman could have been on holiday. I have been to many countries but cannot speak the language. Plus the article states 'The pathologist said it was highly unlikely that anyone could have saved the baby once she started to choke.'

Lets jump on the immigrant bandwagon at any chance we get


Naeem786
True...language has got nothing to do with, also would they have been able to seen that the baby was suffocating?


sadiebabes
Agree with both^^

Such a shame though :-( xx


Agree....also why are chinese in our country....think this was a baby girl!!! Chinese can only have 1 child or face paying high fees to the government else the subsequent children cant get an ID card so have no access to medical care or school or nothing.
Lots of chinese get rid of babies if they are girls as they want an heir
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peodude
This just goes to show whey immigrants in this country should have to pass a comprehensive English test, not only so they can get on in this country, but also for their own, and others safety


Huh? You want to use a baby's death to make a political statement about immigrants? How about I took your words and modified them slightly: This just goes to show why people in this country should have to pass a comprehensive intelligence test, not only so they can get on in this country, but also for their own, and others safety. Would that work for you too..?
#8
Our HV's tell us that apple is ok to give them but i never dare give mine apple for a long while but then i guess it can happen with any food
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peodude
Full story at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7637171.stm

This just goes to show whey immigrants in this country should have to pass a comprehensive English test, not only so they can get on in this country, but also for their own, and others safety


bit insensitive don't you think? imagine how bad the mother of this child is feeling. my thoughts and sympathies are with the mother. What an awful thing to happen, it is one of your worst fears as a parent.
#10
How sad, Poor child, It must of been terrible for the parent, Regardless of nationality. May she r.i.p
#11
miffy121
Our HV's tell us that apple is ok to give them but i never dare give mine apple for a long while but then i guess it can happen with any food


Its scary isn't it? I give my 9 month old whole apple all the time. I might be investing in one of these
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Happy-Mummy-Ltd-Baby-Feeder/dp/B000056JCY

RIP baby.
#12
Yes it is a bit insensitive; however people are concerned about the level of immigrants in the UK and are permitted to voice a concern without constantly being browbeaten.

PS. Not being a parent I am shocked at how many foodstuffs can be a choke hazard. If I was a father I would be a nervous wreck. My kids would eat only Rusks and would not be allowed out of the house until 18 and even then I would need to escort them.
banned 1 Like #13
grapes are the worst, i never gave mine grapes unless cut up, when i went to greece my friends sister in law was giving her 11 month old baby whole grapes, i was cringing
#14
R.I.P


Hate these stories, its just not right for a baby to die like this. :x
banned 2 Likes #15
diabeticguy
Yes it is a bit insensitive; however people are concerned about the level of immigrants in the UK and are permitted to voice a concern without constantly being browbeaten.


Agree, but there is a time and a place to do it, using a baby's death to start a immigration discussion is more than insensitive, its downright stupid
#16
aww such a tragic story :( RIP xx
#17
Were you watching Look North?
#18
sassie
grapes are the worst, i never gave mine grapes unless cut up, when i went to greece my friends sister in law was giving her 11 month old baby whole grapes, i was cringing


I always cut up grapes for my kids, my eldest is 5 and just started school - he came home the other day and asked me no to cut them up any more. Slightly over protective but I am a worrier when it comes to my kids.
R.I.P. little one x
#19
hankmarvin4
Agree, but there is a time and a place to do it, using a baby's death to start a immigration discussion is more than insensitive, its downright stupid


Exactly, well said!
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hankmarvin4
Agree, but there is a time and a place to do it, using a baby's death to start a immigration discussion is more than insensitive, its downright stupid


peodude
Full story at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7637171.stm

This just goes to show whey immigrants in this country should have to pass a comprehensive English test, not only so they can get on in this country, but also for their own, and others safety


Not really stupid its a valid and fair point, regardless of the symptoms of this tragic event, the ability to communicate a very serious medical point is necessary, for example, bee sting anaphylactic shock, ingesting poison or chemical, diabetes issue, etc etc.

If time wasn't wasted on trying to understand the issue maybe just maybe something could have been done quickly, a little hope is better than none, so I agree a basic level of English should at least be a prerequisite to the immigration process.

I don't really like the berating that has occurred for a very valid point which could've saved a life.
banned#21
Alfonse
Not really stupid its a valid and fair point, regardless of the symptoms of this tragic event, the ability to communicate a very serious medical point is necessary, for example, bee sting anaphylactic shock, ingesting poison or chemical, diabetes issue, etc etc.

If time wasn't wasted on trying to understand the issue maybe just maybe something could have been done quickly, a little hope is better than none, so I agree a basic level of English should at least be a prerequisite to the immigration process.

I don't really like the berating that has occurred for a very valid point which could've saved a life.


Nonsense, it has been made clear that even if English was spoken, the child would have died.

Again, who said she lives here? just because she is foreign she must be an immigrant, she might be visiting relatives (who may even speak perfect English).

A tragic incident like this should not be used to complain about the UK's immigration policies.

What happens if I am on holiday with my child in Italy and she chokes (I dont speak Italian)? Is that my fault for not learning Italian? The Italian authorities for letting a non Italian speaker in their country? Neither, simply a tragic accident
#22
Well why doesn't someone start an immigration thread? (not me though, I am fed up with getting bollo****
#23
hankmarvin4
Again, who said she lives here? just because she is foreign she must be an immigrant, she might be visiting relatives (who may even speak perfect English).


The mother is an asylum seeker, living in Darlington (I live here too).

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/3705244.Baby_chokes_to_death_in_street/
banned#24
diabeticguy
Well why doesn't someone start an immigration thread? (not me though, I am fed up with getting bollo****


No chance, I am not getting shot down!

I agree with the immigration views, just think this story was not the right way to present them
#25
The poor mother must be devastated.

RIP angel x
#26
hankmarvin4
Nonsense, it has been made clear that even if English was spoken, the child would have died.

Again, who said she lives here? just because she is foreign she must be an immigrant, she might be visiting relatives (who may even speak perfect English).

A tragic incident like this should not be used to complain about the UK's immigration policies.

What happens if I am on holiday with my child in Italy and she chokes (I dont speak Italian)? Is that my fault for not learning Italian? The Italian authorities for letting a non Italian speaker in their country? Neither, simply a tragic accident


Well like I said, I would hold onto a little hope rather than none, I work in a hospital and the amount of tannoy calls and emails we get for emergencies for a person who can speak a particular language is astonishing. Its doesn't mean its right that the child died due choking but had the situation been explained quickly things (who can say for sure) could have been different but it still applies to all sorts of medical emergencies if communication is a barrier, you can't argue that.

The BBC report does state a belief, it only requires one to read "It is believed the baby's mother was an asylum seeker who lived alone."

Well, I have recently returned from a 2 week holiday in Sicily and I don't speak Italian but whenever I go to a foreign country I make it my duty to at least learn key phrase and have a phrase book with me at all times, especially when I'm with my 1 year old daughter. Effective communication in an emergency could be the difference between life and death. So why are you so arrogant in to say its quite simply a tragic event, its so much more than that.

So yes if you go to another country you are responsible for your personal welfare and communication skills.
banned 1 Like #27
Alfonse
Well like I said, I would hold onto a little hope rather than none, I work in a hospital and the amount of tannoy calls and emails we get for emergencies for a person who can speak a particular language is astonishing. Its doesn't mean its right that the child died due choking but had the situation been explained quickly things (who can say for sure) could have been different but it still applies to all sorts of medical emergencies if communication is a barrier, you can't argue that.

The BBC report does state a belief, it only requires one to read "It is believed the baby's mother was an asylum seeker who lived alone."

Well, I have recently returned from a 2 week holiday in Sicily and I don't speak Italian but whenever I go to a foreign country I make it my duty to at least learn key phrase and have a phrase book with me at all times, especially when I'm with my 1 year old daughter. Effective communication in an emergency could be the difference between life and death. So why are you so arrogant in to say its quite simply a tragic event, its so much more than that.

So yes if you go to another country you are responsible for your personal welfare and communication skills.



So you make a point of learning 'my child is choking' - or you would take out your phrase book if something like this happened to you? Dont make me laugh, this is the real world

It is not arrogance, the fact is if she spoke perfect English the child would still have died. Language played no part in the childs death - thats why it is a tragic accident.
#28
hankmarvin4
So you make a point of learning 'my child is choking' - or you would take out your phrase book if something like this happened to you? Dont make me laugh, this is the real world

It is not arrogance, the fact is if she spoke perfect English the child would still have died. Language played no part in the childs death - thats why it is a tragic accident.


i would do what I had to if my child was choking/needed medical assistance and that information had to be relayed in another laugange yes, thats real.

You really are a evil person if you hold no hope that things could've been different and to fact that I made the point of other medical emergencies, also highlighted from my experience of dealing with medical A&E personel who also state the same, regularly. I pity you.
#29
hankmarvin4 - repped for talking sense and not taking the bait. Respect :thumbsup:
#30
Alfonse
Not really stupid its a valid and fair point, regardless of the symptoms of this tragic event, the ability to communicate a very serious medical point is necessary, for example, bee sting anaphylactic shock, ingesting poison or chemical, diabetes issue, etc etc.

If time wasn't wasted on trying to understand the issue maybe just maybe something could have been done quickly, a little hope is better than none, so I agree a basic level of English should at least be a prerequisite to the immigration process.

I don't really like the berating that has occurred for a very valid point which could've saved a life.


I won't comment on this except to say that the comments in yours and the first post are totally innapropriate, indecent and tasteless.

(I'm not saying don't debate these things - just start another thread).
banned 1 Like #31
Alfonse
i would do what I had to if my child was choking/needed medical assistance and that information had to be relayed in another laugange yes, thats real.

You really are a evil person if you hold no hope that things could've been different and to fact that I made the point of other medical emergencies, also highlighted from my experience of dealing with medical A&E personel who also state the same, regularly. I pity you.


Get a life!

Evil? I quoted the pathologists comments, I didnt make them up! Maybe he/she is evil too?!

The sooner hospital cleaners are banned from using the internet the better, you are a complete weirdo!
#32
Counter rep added to Alfonse for talking sense.

You can't sayi the baby would definitely died, even if the mother had have spoke English. You don't know that, those few seconds between you figuring out the screaming of a Chinese lady, and a lady shouting my baby is choking, could have made all the difference.

Alfonse makes another good point, what if the baby had have swallowed something else, drugs, or bleach, for example, it would take a lot longer investigation into what caused the problem than choking,

If this woman had ran out and said MY BABY'S CHOKING! then there is a chance that this babu could have survived.

I'll throw something else in as well now, why do we not teach basic first aid to all pupils in schools, and have a compulsory first aid course for anyone entering the country. That would have saved this babies life is this woman had have known what to do
#33
darn hank, I thought you weren't going to play his game. (delete last post and keep the moral high-ground???) :-(
#34
hankmarvin4
Get a life!

Evil? I quoted the pathologists comments, I didnt make them up! Maybe he/she is evil too?!

The sooner hospital cleaners are banned from using the internet the better, you are a complete weirdo!


When you can read and understand then cool, like I have said its better to have a chance than none at all, the pathologist wasn't there and in any medical emergency time is of the essence.

Of course I'm a cleaner obviously doctors, nurses and cleaners are the only three vocations in a hospital. lol

Also to state the obvious the BBC (which is very middle of the road reporting) headline kind of lends itself to my statement, duh!
banned#35
Liddle ol' me
darn hank, I thought you weren't going to play his game. (delete last post and keep the moral high-ground???) :-(


He seems like the sort of person that gets a bit angry and then goes out stalking, I am, keeping quiet from now on
banned#36
wow, got quite a bit of rep for this, cheers guys!
banned#37
peodude


I'll throw something else in as well now, why do we not teach basic first aid to all pupils in schools, and have a compulsory first aid course for anyone entering the country. That would have saved this babies life is this woman had have known what to do


It would never work but I do agree. Problem is that we dont know who is legal and who is not. Expectant mothers should also be taught first aid, without choice.

The dictator in me has come out!:whistling:
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hankmarvin4
He seems like the sort of person that gets a bit angry and then goes out stalking, I am, keeping quiet from now on


Not angry or emotional at all, I just wonder how you would describe anaphylactic shock in Italian when no one around you speaks English or would you expect them to, but then again that would be their ignorance and not yours.........................
banned#39
OK serious now, if you were travelling to Italy, you would seriously learn the Italian for anaphylactic shock or keep a medical English/Italian phrase book on you at all times just in case?
#40
hankmarvin4
OK serious now, if you were travelling to Italy, you would seriously learn the Italian for anaphylactic shock or keep a medical English/Italian phrase book on you at all times just in case?


Seriously most phrase and conversational language books have a medical emergency section to describe issues as best as possible which the one I took to Sicily did. I'm of course glad I didn't have to use it but being cautious in a foreign country where English isn't spoken by the majority, I honestly feel that the traveller has a duty to beable to atleast form some spoken communication on a basic level.

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