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6y, 9m agoPosted 6 years, 9 months ago
Hi - We have a newborn baby who is just over a week old. My wife tried breast feeding but found it too difficult and painful so we are now expressing and using formula. Things have changed since I was a baby and even over the past few years and you are advised not to make up formula in advance but to prepare it as and when your baby needs it. As you can imagine this is very difficult and often the baby gets distressed as we're not prepared for him waking for a feed.
I've heard that some people boil their water in advance and store it in a fridge and then warm it up using a bottle warmer and then add the formula. This reduces the time taken to prepare to about 5mins as you don't have to wait for a bolied kettle to cool down for 30mins before you add the formula. I have been doing this for a few days but when I told the mid wife today she said that it is the formula that carries the bugs and the hot water kills them and that using a bottle warmer to re-heat previously steralised water may not result in the right temperature to kill the bugs and cause harm to the baby.

I was wondering if there were any mums or dads on here that can share their experiences with how they prepare formula that gurantees it is safe for the baby to drink.

Thanks
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#2
My midwife also told me this with my 2nd child, however, It seemed to do them no harm and I Think it is unfair to make babies wait that long on a feed. Maybe even making up 2-3 bottles in advance?
#3
i steralise my daughters bottles at night and fill them with the cooled boiled water and put them in the fridge and use them when i need them, i also micrwave them to warm them up which i know you get told not to do but i have never had any problems. my daughter is 5months. when she was only having 2-3 oz of milk i found it easier to use the sma cartons thats ready made.
#4
hi

i have a 17yr old who was bottle fed also have a 2yr old who was breast and bottle fed - my personnel opinion is if you have steralised your bottles then making up a feed in the evening for use in the night won't do any harm - a midwife who i spoke to said they discourage people from making up bottles because alot of pople used to make up several days worth in one go which is obviously not good, it is hard with a new baby and everyone likes to put ther two pennerth in!! i am sorry that your wife has had problems with b/f if you would like any links to support let me know

stephxx
#5
I made up the bottles in advance for the whole day, my little girl was healthy and happy, do what you feel works best for you as a family. These health people are just being over cautious
#6
lizzy.p
I made up the bottles in advance for the whole day, my little girl was healthy and happy, do what you feel works best for you as a family. These health people are just being over cautious


+1

i made 6 bottles at night and they lasted till the next night when id do it all again, my DD is perfect

i left mine at room tempreture and added the powder when i needed a bottle and warmed it up in the microwave as bottle warmers take an age wehn your bby is screaming for milk lol
#7
I guess the question I need the answer to is how hot does the re-heated water need to be to kill the bugs that already exist in the powder feed?

I don't fancy using a microwave.

Steph - She has been beating herself up about it so some links to sites would be useful I hope.
#8
lizzy.p
I made up the bottles in advance for the whole day, my little girl was healthy and happy, do what you feel works best for you as a family. These health people are just being over cautious


Ditto. I used to make up several bottles, pop them in the fridge and then microwaved when needed. Give them a good old shake, test and bit and bobs your uncle! :-D
#9
I know we're probably being over cautious but this is our 1st child and we're just trying to do things right. Oh by the way the lack of sleep in week one is horrendous!! lol..... My wife sent me to Boots to pick up a breast pump last week and I was that tired I attempted to go up the escalator the wrong way. Very embarrasing...
#10
dinglebin
I guess the question I need the answer to is how hot does the re-heated water need to be to kill the bugs that already exist in the powder feed?

I don't fancy using a microwave.

Steph - She has been beating herself up about it so some links to sites would be useful I hope.


we have a two year old and one due in two weeks. we originally heated the bottles up by placing them in a jug of hot water which worked fine, however we soon moved on to the microwave after talking to loads of parents and our son is absolutely fine and will have no probs doing it again when the next one arrives
#11
dinglebin
I know we're probably being over cautious but this is our 1st child and we're just trying to do things right. Oh by the way the lack of sleep in week one is horrendous!! lol..... My wife sent me to Boots to pick up a breast pump last week and I was that tired I attempted to go up the escalator the wrong way. Very embarrasing...


You poor thing. It is hard going but it's not forever. Plus you sound a really supportive Husband/Dad so good for you;-)x
#12
dinglebin
I know we're probably being over cautious but this is our 1st child and we're just trying to do things right. Oh by the way the lack of sleep in week one is horrendous!! lol..... My wife sent me to Boots to pick up a breast pump last week and I was that tired I attempted to go up the escalator the wrong way. Very embarrasing...


i know how you feel, my 5month old is my first daughter and i wanted everything right etc, but i think its easier to do what fits in with you aswel, my sisters had 2kids and gave me alot of advice and as other people say on here to make them up at night for the day ahead is the best way imo, while your babies only having a couple oz at a time then warming it in jug of boiling water wont take long anyway but when they start having 3-4 oz it prob easier to put in micro for 10-15 secs.
#13
We always made up four bottles with HOT water, not reboiled, if youneed to rebiol, use fresh water. Once made and shaken thoroughly it is VERY important they are COOLED down as rapidly as humanly possible. We fashioned a tin that held the four bottles tightly (so as not to float) and not so deeply that they overflowed. (Tin up to the neck of bottles if you get me) And ran the COLD tap over them for at least half an hour. Then stored them in the back of the fridge for a MAXIMUM of 24 hours. Never had a problem with sick children, but the health visitor did frown. We always warmed them up in a plastic jug of boiling water, never used the microwave, and using a glass jug took too long as all the heat went from the water into the jug. It's all scary for your first, but by the time you get the third kid, you'll be scooping biccies off the floor and giving them straight back. I remember well the fear that comes with the first. Congrats and good luck.

PS: If she's espressing, get it in the freezer ASAP, will keep for up to 6 months in the bottom of a chest freezer, and every little helps in the early weeks.

PS: that was once we got them down to four 8 oz bottles a day, which was quite early with my whopping great big babies.
#14
I don't want to judge but I know how the early days breast feeding can be a struggle but it really is worth perservering, have you thought of contacting a B/Fcouncellor? I've just started training as a volenteer but am not qualified yet enough to advise you myself. I had a councellor myself and although I did suppliment B/F with a few bottles I was so glad I didn't give up.
Breast milk is ready made at the right temp so its great for those night feeds!
Congratulations, and good luck xxx
#15
It's hard when they are so young and you are so tired - I remember it well! I also had big problems b/f and used a formula and expressed b/m. The little cartons are a bit more exprensive but good for night feeds and you can store the extra in the fridge for the next morning. I got that I made up the night feed before I went to bed and quickly heated it in a jug of boiling water. As your baby gets a bit older you will be able to predict roughly when they will feed and so get the bottle ready in advance. This stage wont last long, buba will be sleeping for longer soon and you will get some sleep. Good luck to you both !
#16
We found the night feeds easier with the missus doing the weekdays (one of us has to bring in the bacon), and I took friday and saturday night. It's pointless both losing out on a decent nights sleep. Sterilised and fill a load of bottles in one hit and keep them in the fridge, we then sat them in a tub of boiled water to warm them up.
#17
congrats on ur baby. i have a 2 and half week old. my third and third one we are bottle feeding. what we do at nights is:

take up bottles with cool boiled water (we have a kettle just for baby) and take up a flask with hot water. then at night add the water to the bottle.... tip it back and fro till its perfect temp and we have powder in dispensers.

also for the day sometimes i do warm it in microwave( the water) never did it with frst kid but 3rd kid down the line i do here and there but shake well to avoid any hotspots.

also dont fret....if baby is crying relax....get on with the task at hand....stressing wil only make u fumble. what i do to calm my lil un is speak to her in a clear, calm voice and she gets distracted for abit. but i dont worry when she goes mental crying. i know im doing something to amke her happy .... but then this is kid numero 3...with ur forst ur anic stations at the slightest whinge. hang in there!
#18
We have always made 6 bottles up at a time, usually one for the there and now and the other 5 in advance. Our 2 and a half year old and 6 month old are both doing very well inspite of us going against the advice of the HV and midwife. I am of the belief that many of the 'rules' around bottle feeding are not based on scientific research and are there to try and make bottle feeding as difficult as possible hence encouraging breastfeeding. I know breastfeeding ios best but it just doesn't work for some people.
#19
Never breastfed, just couldnt do it!
I used to make 6 bottles each morning for the following 24hrs or so........I am the proud mum to 3 strapping boys now aged 20, 15 and 13 :)
So many new ideas these days compared to when mine were little :roll:

forgot to say they were stored in the fridge until needed then I used a jug of boiling water to warm up. Never used a microwave. ( dont think I possessed one with my first :) )
#20
hi

I have posted a couple of links below but also a fab source of support is surestart they have breastfeeding cafe in most centres which you can just go along to for help & support, the hospital where you had baby should have put you in touch with local support group which has 24hr phone number also if they have not give you this speak to mw or hv when you get chance, also there is a nipple cream which is babysafe called Lasinoh it costs about 10.00 a tube but you should be able to get it free on prescription if ring docs tell them wife needs it for sore bits - it is fab i used it after every feed & swear it helped prevent alot of soreness etc that b/f can cause.
The biggest thing is though go give your wife a big hug tell her don't beat herself up over it - the most important thing for your baby is a happy mum however you feed them

http://www.kellymom.com/

http://www.laleche.org.uk/
http://www.breastfeedingnetwork.org.uk/finding-support.html

if there is anything i can help with just pm me :-)


steph
#21
The powdered feed is steralised when you receive it. The only bugs/contamination getting in will be when you go in and out of the container.

To avoid contamination have your hands as clean and dry as possible when going into the container. Use the same spoon/scoop and leave it in the container between uses (you may have to work at that when the container is full). Keep the container in a cool dry place. Bugs need moisture and warmth to grow.

In relation to killing the bugs the midwifes knowledge is not really accurate. To be sure of bringing the made bottle back to sterile conditions you would need to reach similar temperatures to a boiling and for a certain period of time. That is why electric bottle steamers have a cycle of if I remember rightly about 10 mins or so.

Midwives are generally in my experience anti formula and I believe the health service is also. I assume all the hoops are also a way of trying to make formula as hard to organise and breast feeding can be and so to level the playing field. I am for breast feeding myself, but lots of people for various reasons can't or choose not to and in that instance they should be supported properly. I don't think this is always the case.

Finally remember your baby is not living in a bubble. All babies hands go everything they can and then in the mouth. Unless you live in a house akin to a DVD processing lab you will have plenty of stuff around on your clothes etc. Babies are not a delicate as they look (easy for me to say at this stage:whistling:)
Have fun.
banned#22
i used to make mine up half full of boiled water, then when i wanted them i used to add boiling water to correct level and then add powder, hey presto bottle ready to go straight away, never hurt mine, and i wouldnt use a mcrowave to heat mine
#23
Ok - I'm back had a nappy explosion to rectify. Baby has been crying for almost 5 hrs now and will only settle down when I pick him up or my OH does. As soon as either of us put him back down in his moses basket he starts up again.

It's now been 10mins since I put him down so I'm hoping it has worked this time. It might be coincidence but we just warmed his basket with a hot water bottle for a few mins. Bet the mid wife would disaprove of that one too... Did I also mention that she hasn't actually given birth our mid wife so when she goes on about breast feeding i juts chuckle to myself what the hell do you know...

Thanks for the many hints and tips folks. Given me soe food for thought. I'm now off to make up several feeds for the next 24hrs... ;-)
#24
Im sure we could get away with making the bottles a bit warmer too. Testing them on the wrist they do feel a bit hot but when i taste it off my wrist it feels really cold. Scared to death of burning his little mouth tho.
banned#25
my 1st was wrapped (dont know what the proper name is) and she was a very happy baby, slept well, fed well and very content, when little man came along they where against this baby wrapping so he wasnt, he never slept well, fed well and never settled, and you only had to walk post his basket and he would jump a mile high, if i had my time again he would have been wrapped
#26
sassie
my 1st was wrapped (dont know what the proper name is) and she was a very happy baby, slept well, fed well and very content, when little man came along they where against this baby wrapping so he wasnt, he never slept well, fed well and never settled, and you only had to walk post his basket and he would jump a mile high, if i had my time again he would have been wrapped


do you mean tightly swaddled? in a blanket? My mum did that with all of mine everytime she visited!
#27
I followed the instructions to the letter and it nearly killed me but I wouldn't do anything different if I started it all again! I was the same paranoid 1st time mum and just didn't want to take a chance. I sterilised the bottles and sealed them empty then stored them in the fridge. I then boiled a kettle and filled a thermos flask. When it came to make up the bottles the water was already hot so it saved waiting for a kettle! I made up the milk them put it in jug of cold water from the fridge or shook it under cold running water. The water needs to be above 70 degrees to kill the bacteria so I bought a jam thermometer to check the temperature!

I sounds like a performance but in my head I was happy to do this, even if it meant having a screaming baby for a few minutes longer than I really wanted! The only thing I'd change was in the early weeks I'd just buy the cartons for the night feeds, I didn't realise once open they can be stored in the fridge for 24 hours, I thought you had to throw them away! I found netmums to be a really helpful site http://www.netmums.com/coffeehouse/food-feeding-555/bottle-feeding-formula-559/ or feel free to pm me if I've missed anything!!
#28
dinglebin


Thanks for the many hints and tips folks. Given me soe food for thought. I'm now off to make up several feeds for the next 24hrs... ;-)


What's worth remembering and what many health care professionals seem to overlook, is that happy parents make for happy babies. So if making the bottles up in advance makes you less tired and therefore more able to care for your baby then it is worth doing.

As for the crying, it is normal. Babies do sometimes cry a lot for no clear reason. Very frustrating I know. Our littlest one had really bad colic (yours is too young for that I think) and it was hard work. Worth remembering though that what seems like an eternity at the time is actually only a few weeks out of what will hopefully be the most joyful time of your lives.
banned#29
bitseylango
do you mean tightly swaddled? in a blanket? My mum did that with all of mine everytime she visited!


yes, sorry could think what they called it, but she was such a content thing and i swear its because she felt secure, like being in the womb, where he felt so vunerable obviously
#30
sassie
yes, sorry could think what they called it, but she was such a content thing and i swear its because she felt secure, like being in the womb, where he felt so vunerable obviously


my mum was brill at it, she did it so tight they looked like little bowling skittles........they were so content though, I couldnt do it as well as her and they werent as happy when I did it!
banned#31
bitseylango
my mum was brill at it, she did it so tight they looked like little bowling skittles........they were so content though, I couldnt do it as well as her and they werent as happy when I did it!


yes, my daughter was like that, she always slept so contently, i do belive its because she was swaddled, as you call it and i suppose it makes sense really, they are all tight in the womb then out they come and so vunerable, hence why he was happy in arms but not out of them, where she was content both in arms and out of them, i had another i would swaddle whatever they said
#32
sassie
yes, my daughter was like that, she always slept so contently, i do belive its because she was swaddled, as you call it and i suppose it makes sense really, they are all tight in the womb then out they come and so vunerable, hence why he was happy in arms but not out of them, where she was content both in arms and out of them, i had another i would swaddle whatever they said


I did a lot of things that are frowned upon now, if I had to do it all again ( never gonna happen :) ) I wouldnt change a thing!
#33
the midwives are changing things constantly i have a 6 year old daughter. my brothers other half her daughter is 6 months old she was complaining that babys wee was strong so i said to give her some cooled boiled water the nurse went mad at me said we do not advise that i said it wasnt a problem when i had my daughter infact they told me to do it she just replied no we have changed things the milk is enough now. lol it never did my daughter any harm.
and yes i made bottles up at night and put them in the fridge and warmed them either in the microwave or in a jug of hot water. when i made the bottles up i used to take one up to bed with me in one of those baby bags that keeps the bottle warm and used it for night feeds.
#34
i have 8 weeks old one my self, and i support swaddling baby very much! my mum is the best person to do this manually :) but i bought this swaddle blanket called kiddopotamus and it is brilliant. babies cries less and they feel more comfortable and secure.

i know b/f for the 1st time is very difficult and one can easily give up, as it happened to me when i had my 1st. i wish i had more support and confident at that time.

g luck to u.
#35
i think based on the comments its fair to say we all do it differently when my son was 6mths old he suddenly decided he didnt like breast feeding so i had to use bottles 4 of us were new mums at the time and we all made the bottles differently i used to sterilise the bottles then make up 4 bottles of formula and leave them to cool down naturally at room temperature and never put them in the fridge so they were their ready for when he wanted one hence the no screaming, my friends midwife said what i was doing was wrong and they should be cooled so i asked my midwife and she stated what i was doing was ok as i wasnt cooling them down and the leaving them out at room temp as then bacteria would grow, my little one didint get ill from this method and i found it worked great for me as he was used to breast milk so he never really had to cry for a feed as i was there on tap lol and its so wrong for a little one to screeam for food and so much stress for the parents - congrats by the way x
#36
These rules changed just before i had my first little one, and we have followed them (and on my second baby who is now 3 months), if you make sure the bottle is sterile when you go to bed, you don't need to wait 30 min for kettle to boil, just boil it with fresh water, and then we add powder, and dunk in jug full of ice water, and this takes about 5 mins also. which isn't really any longer than the other way, just make sure always have ice in the freezer :)
#37
Has she tried silicone nipple shields?

We used to make up 2 bottles at bedtime and pop um in the fridge, and warm up when required at night
[mod][Moderator]#38
Hiya, reading some of the advice in the thread, I'm a terrible mum lol, but I've done exactly the same with my 4 mth old as I did with my son 17yrs ago, and I'll do exactly the same with the one due in August, I sterilise 3 bottles at a time, boil the kettle with fresh water, wait until it cools to 70 degrees C ( use a cooking thermometer ), add correct amt of formula, cool asap by running under cold tap, put in back of fridge, then I use a plastic jug of boiling water to rewarm.
Please don't let your wife beat herself up about bf, bottle fed babies grow up just the same as bf babies, I know some midwives/ health professionals advocate bf strongly, but thats what they are trained to advise, good luck, take care and well done for being such a supportive partner, best wishes to your wife and baby!
#39
dinglebin
Ok - I'm back had a nappy explosion to rectify. Baby has been crying for almost 5 hrs now and will only settle down when I pick him up or my OH does. As soon as either of us put him back down in his moses basket he starts up again.

It's now been 10mins since I put him down so I'm hoping it has worked this time. It might be coincidence but we just warmed his basket with a hot water bottle for a few mins. Bet the mid wife would disaprove of that one too... Did I also mention that she hasn't actually given birth our mid wife so when she goes on about breast feeding i juts chuckle to myself what the hell do you know...

Thanks for the many hints and tips folks. Given me soe food for thought. I'm now off to make up several feeds for the next 24hrs... ;-)



as sassie said...swaddle him. also is ur OH wearing soft cotton nighties? my daughter didnt like the moses basket so mw said she needed mummy smell..so suggesed after i wore the nightie to put it in moses basket as a sheet so she could still smell me. it worked really well. give that a go. also she said some kids like the sound of ticking clock...so some parents put like a clock at the top of the basket (ticking resembles heartbeat of mummy).

and sod the mw.,... couldnt br/f any of my 3 and i beat myself up pretty bad with number 2. first time round was under so much pressure to br/f and i felt crap when i couldnt. second time i felt like worst mum ever..but my mw was a star and said dont worry and this time she could see i was on the brink of falling back into sad stage i went through for 6 months after number 2..so she was positive about my decison....and supported me. i still feel lame saying oh i bottle feed....but im lucky i got health visitors and mws who can see it just wasnt happening here no mater how hard i tried! i understand where ur partner is coming from so sod the mw! until she had a baby she really doesnt know!
#40
Imo..... there is no right or wrong. Just do what you feel comftable doing! I never breastfed either of my children and I know I was frowned upon, but they are my children and we are all different. I also made 3 bottles up in adance too, mind you the way my youngest was..... they didnt last long! :lol:

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