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Bad spelling 'should be accepted'

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8y, 3m agoPosted 8 years, 3 months ago
Do you agree with the following BBC News Article ?
Is this how you want your children taught ?

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Bad spelling 'should be accepted'

Common spelling mistakes should be accepted into everyday use, not corrected, a professor has said.

Ken Smith says the most common spelling mistakes should simply be accepted as "variant spellings".

He lists the 10 most commonly misspelt words, which include "arguement" for "argument" and "twelth" for "twelfth".

The professor says his proposal, outlined in an article in the Times Higher Education Supplement, follows years of correcting the same mistakes.

Mr Smith, a criminology lecturer at Bucks New University in High Wycombe, listed the 10 words most commonly spelled wrongly by his students.

He said: "Instead of complaining about the state of the education system as we correct the same mistakes year after year, I've got a better idea.

"University teachers should simply accept as variant spellings those words our students most commonly misspell.

"The spelling of the word 'judgement', for example, is now widely accepted as a variant of 'judgment', so why can't 'truely' be accepted as a variant spelling of 'truly'?"

Mr Smith also suggested adding the word "misspelt" to the list and all those that break the "i before e" rule - weird, seize, neighbour and foreign.

The professor said he was not asking people to learn to spell words differently.

"All I am suggesting is that we might well put 20 or so of the most commonly misspelt words in the English language on the same footing as those other words that have a widely accepted variant spelling," he added.
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8y, 3m agoPosted 8 years, 3 months ago
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#2
Theres no excuse for bad spelling and grammer.
#3
No it should not be acceptable, why should the English language be *******ized, if it became acceptable then no one would bother learning to write correctly as it would be a free for all, its a shining example of the countrys standards getting lower.


Also the swear filter on here needs to learn English to differentiate between swear and non-swear words.
The starred out word is perfectly acceptable in the English language, although knowing the mods I will now get a suspension for avoidance of the swear filter so see you in a few days guys.

The word was
#4
I no.
#5
I think when you've sort of grown up and known how a word is spelt all your life (regardless of age) then you should know how to spell it. If we start accepting mistakes we might start getting lax with other stuff IMO, plus the fact i tend to stop and look at words spelt wrongly and get a bit confused.
#6
That is just wrong - i don't want my child making spelling mistakes and be told it is correct!
Thats just totally stupid!
What will they bring up next....
#7
davelfc;2697887
Theres no excuse for bad spelling and [COLOR=RoyalBlue]grammer[/COLOR].


Please tell me this was a deliberate mistake to see how many people picked up on it:whistling:
#8
in b4 grammar police.
banned#9
I never have believed spelling should be such a massive issue, we arent talking about teaching how to spell incorrectly, just not making such a big issue out of it

Whenn i was at school i had exceptonal handwriting, probably the best handwriting of the year, but i couldnt write straight, my book always had to be turned to the side for me to write, and i was continually told off, had lines to do etc,etc, where is the sense, and yes i still write the same now
banned#10
holy mackeral some will have a field day with the above - go for it guys
banned#11
v2drinkers
You dont really want us to do you?:whistling:


if it floats ya boat, go for it;-)
#12
sassie
I never have believed spelling should be such a massive issue, we arent talking about teaching how to spell incorrectly, just not making such a big issue out of it


I understand what you mean but as a mum yourself - wouldn't you want your child/ren knowing they have made the mistake instead of growing up thinking what they have written is correct!?
If they are not corrected how else will they know?
What about when it comes to english exams / cv for a job? :?
banned#13
KELLY 'N' STEVE
I understand what you mean but as a mum yourself - wouldn't you want your child/ren knowing they have made the mistake instead of growing up thinking what they have written is correct!?
If they are not corrected how else will they know?
What about whan it comes to english exams / cv for a job? :?


From what i can gather they are on about having it added as an accepted word, one of three ways to spell something, so in that case none of the above will matter
#14
No no no no no no no no no no no no no!
#15
sassie
From what i can gather they are on about having it added as an accepted word, one of three ways to spell something, so in that case none of the above will matter


Oh i think i get it - meaning the examples used in the op will be ok altogether and "tecnically" won't be a mistake??
#16
So there is no right or wrong then...just variant?
#17
twinks;2697951
:giggle:


Spelling mistakes are easily done on the computer though and I think we all make them from time to time.

When someone's spelling and grammar are generally correct online I do tend to put the mistakes as typography errors rather than spelling mistakes per sé. It is very easy to strike an adjoining key, swich the order of two letters or even miss one out due to not striking they key hard enough.
banned#18
KELLY 'N' STEVE
Oh i think i get it - meaning the examples used in the op will be ok altogether and "tecnically" won't be a mistake??


yes, thats the idea. I think we have massive issues with our youngsters today and spelling aint one of them
#19
i went to school every day i find it hard to spell sometimes and some times i have to think about my b's and d's if there the right way some people cant help it :)oh and im not sure about commas and full stops either to be honest ull see i never use them .lol
#20
I can see what the guy is getting at , there are certain words that are misspelt most of the time, words like definitely which under this Professors rules would have a variant of definately.

Thing is though where on earth would it stop ? Who would define which words were misspelt "correctly" !
#21
I think there should be more of a move to improve spelling and grammar rather than going the wrong way entirely. I have a good friend who is dyslexic, his spelling is pretty bad but if you read anything he'd written you wouldn't realise it as these days there are plenty of spelling tools which he has always used.

John
#22
twinks
I think that's the idea hun, yes. It won't be incorrect to spell those words that way, but nor will it be incorrect to spell them the correct way either. Confused, I am! :roll:


sassie
yes, thats the idea. I think we have massive issues with our youngsters today and spelling aint one of them


Thanks!! :thumbsup: Still think it a bit silly though!!:roll:
#23
I can't believe how many people can't spell and use punctuation correctly these days it's shocking!
#24
I don't agree at all. My spelling's not brilliant but not massively embarrassing either (I don't think). But I do think it's extremely important. I find, pretty much, every day I'm learning how to spell new words!
#25
kate50dadford
I can't believe how many people can't spell and use punctuation correctly these days it's shocking!


not really some people cant help it :oops:
#26
It don't help when you have US spell checkers!!!!!!!!
#27
i'm not too stressed when people spell things incorrectly, i have more of a problem with people who dont even try.

you know, the txtspk idiots. you have a full keyboard, and you arent restricted to 160 characters per message. THERE IS NO EXCUSE!

oh, and people who say "should of"

thatisall.
#28
twinks
I'm with you on those! My pet hate is brought and bought, that actually does really wind me up, lol


Agree with you there.
To and too as well.
And come to think of it, there and their.
#29
As much as I'd like to agree with everyone in this thread, I have to admit that the professor has a point - languages change and evolve.
It's kind of ironic that a few posts up someone mentions a US spell checker. American English is closer to ye olde English from a few centuries ago than the current British English standard. In other words, if we HADN'T done what this professor describes back then, we'd all be speaking like Americans right now. Perish the thought, I must say.
So what's the best way to decide when a language is evolving and when people are simply spelling a word wrong?

I'd prefer to handle it similar to how we handle the metric system - back in the day, the french basically just got a particular weight and said "this is a kilogram, a thousandth of this is a miligram" and so on. Then, because this "first" Kilogram was found to be changing it's weight ever so slightly, we recategorised the weights by finding out a true mass we could set them by.
I believe they use carbon atoms and say something like (made up figures because I don't know the exact details) "1,000,000,000,000 Carbon-12 atoms weigh 1miligram at earth sea-level". This is good because we have an exact scientific reason as to why something weighs what it does and not "this particular grain of sand weighs about a 234th of some random-assed weight some smelly frenchman decided upon a few years ago".
How does this relate to English? Well, take the "i before e" rule, I think we should try to enforce that rule as much as possible and try to get rid of any "exceptions" to the rules that we may have. For all the different words we use today with all their variations, we should pick ONE rule and follow it. I'm sorry if that means "judgment" gets thrown out of the dictionary, but so be it.
Otherwise you're going to end up with about 200 variations for every single word in the language and it would just be chaotic.
#30
i dont think its a bad idea. the english language is much harsher with spellings on account of we dont like to spell Phonetically :/
#31
I think there is misunderstanding as to what he was implying. He was not suggesting that laziness and poor spelling on a low level is ok, but that common mistakes for more difficult words should be accepted. I believe that he would not like one of his students to write "would of" but obviously does not mind "arguement".

It's not a difficult thing to remember that "would have" or "should have" is the correct use, whilst argument vs. arguement is slightly more difficult.

According to his academic profile, he is only a doctor, not a prof., but I guess the BBC do not understand the difference.
#32
twinks
Yes, but that's only because you keep getting led astray in the pub :roll: Thay aren't real words you know :w00t:


lol. Led astray by other customers....Twinks:whistling:
banned#33
Johnmcl7
I think there should be more of a move to improve spelling and grammar rather than going the wrong way entirely. I have a good friend who is dyslexic, his spelling is pretty bad but if you read anything he'd written you wouldn't realise it as these days there are plenty of spelling tools which he has always used.


Indeed. But I bet he doesn't use the US spell checker. That's pretty dire from what I've seen!
#34
I do not agree with the acceptance rule at all. How confusing would that be? Trying to teach children "That word is spelt like this, however you could spell it like this and that would be fine too"

How long would the dictionary be if it had the all the variations of a spelling? I do not think that it would ever be acceptable to apply for jobs or send official letters with "variant" spellings.

I actually believe there is too much covered in the school curriculum, and not enough attention paid to English.

Phew.....I didn't realise I actually felt so strongly about it!
#35
I think its important to spell things correctly, althougth i dont get upset and say rude things to people when they do spell things wrong, a common occurence here unfortuantly. Not to me personaly but i have seen it here.
it shouldn't be cast off as oh well doesnt matter etc but places like hukds, as long as you can see what the person is typing why quibble about it.

maybe im biased as my mom and brother are both dislexic (spelling?) and find it difficult to spell
#36
twinks;2698007
I'm always hitting the wrong key, I blame my nails :roll:

Nails? With your typos I thought you was using the hammer too:whistling:
#37
I think the point mainly (from the link) is that it is a waste of time to be correcting common spelling errors by university students. Presumably a lecturer's time would be better spent in suggesting better interpretations and handling of essay materials by his/her students. I don't necessarily disagree. That is not to say that I think there should be a free-for-all in spelling, just that priorities are different post-18.
I would prefer children to learn correct spellings but I am aware that many have word-processing problems.
All sorts of changes occur in English, some of which irritate me slightly, like bacteria used in the singular- but if useage changes so be it.
The American language was more-or-less artificially fixed to be different to 'English' ( by Webster?) and seems stilted now.
#38
The BBC news article is very badly written. Tbh, I'd be more interested in discussing that than the ideas it contains - nothing controversial, interesting or novel in it at all. Pretty much everyone I know already accepts / tolerates the kinds of variant spellings mentioned above. When marking undergrad papers, I've always highlighted spelling mistakes as a kind of 'training' towards careful thinking. The individual 'error' itself has little meaning unless it is part of a larger pattern.
#39
theyre's nothing rong with bad spelling or gramer
#40
chesso
I think the point mainly (from the link) is that it is a waste of time to be correcting common spelling errors by university students. Presumably a lecturer's time would be better spent in suggesting better interpretations and handling of essay materials by his/her students. I don't necessarily disagree. That is not to say that I think there should be a free-for-all in spelling, just that priorities are different post-18.
I would prefer children to learn correct spellings but I am aware that many have word-processing problems.
All sorts of changes occur in English, some of which irritate me slightly, like bacteria used in the singular- but if useage changes so be it.
The American language was more-or-less artificially fixed to be different to 'English' ( by Webster?) and seems stilted now.


There's an easy way to ensure lecturer's time is not wasted, simply do not accept work that is a poor level of writing. That's how lecturers on the course I did handled the issue of poor spelling and grammer and it was quite understandable as all the tools were provided to assist with writing as well as all students on the course having at least a pass in Higher English.

There have been evolutions in language, kept is one that comes to mind - originally this would have been keeped then abbreviated to kepd and then kept which is easier to pronounce however I don't really think current mis-spellings are indicative of language evolving. While the article cites common mis-spellings I tend to find they're not always that consistent rather than it always being the same form. Following that argument 'txt spk' should also become part of standard english although that seems to have died down a bit now although that's perhaps just my perception rather than anything else.

John

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