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brillangel Avatar
7y, 10m agoPosted 7 years, 10 months ago
Hi
I was wondering whether anyone knows whether I need a TV Licence for watching BBC iplayer and 4oD?

Many thanks
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7y, 10m agoPosted 7 years, 10 months ago
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#1
yes you do - bought freeview dongle for laptop and you have to fill in name and address for licensing dept
#2
oh ok thanks, I thought that they said that you need a TV Licence if you watch TV programmes as they are being broadcast then you need a TV Licence so I thought that you might not need one!
#3
BBC is what you need the TV Licence for. Since they now broadcast over the net, all people with the internet are now required to pay.
#4
deathtrap3000
BBC is what you need the TV Licence for. Since they now broadcast over the net, all people with the internet are now required to pay.


thanks, does that mean you dont need a licence for itv and channel 4?
#5
brillangel
thanks, does that mean you dont need a licence for itv and channel 4?


thats right. they get their money from advertising and other sources.
#6
You don't need a tv licence for iplayer or 4od as it's not live tv:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/01/iplayer_does_not_require_a_tv_1.html
#7
holly100
yes you do - bought freeview dongle for laptop and you have to fill in name and address for licensing dept


That's for watching live tv, rules are different for the iplayer and 4od etc.
#8
This is from the BBC web site Q&A

You do not need a television licence to watch programmes on the current version of BBC iPlayer.

You will need to be covered by a TV licence if and when the BBC provides a feature that enables you to watch 'live' TV programmes on any later version of BBC iPlayer, which has this option. Your TV licence for your home address will cover your use of the BBC iPlayer in your home (and outside the home if you use BBC iPlayer on a laptop or any other device which is powered solely by its own internal batteries).

A 'live' TV programme is a programme, which is watched or recorded at the same time (or virtually the same time) as it is being broadcast or otherwise distributed to members of the public. As a general rule, if a person is watching a programme on a computer or other device at the same time as it is being shown on TV then the programme is 'live'. This is sometimes known as simulcasting.

You cannot currently watch 'live' TV programmes as part of BBC iPlayer, however, we hope to offer this function in the future.

What will happen if I don't have a TV licence?

It is a criminal offence to watch 'live' television without a TV licence or to posses or control a device which you know or reasonably believe will be used to watch 'live' TV without a TV licence. You could be prosecuted and fined up to £1000 (plus be ordered to pay legal costs) for these offences.
#9
calmacuk
You don't need a tv licence for iplayer or 4od as it's not live tv:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/01/iplayer_does_not_require_a_tv_1.html


Predikuesi
This is from the BBC web site Q&A

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Thanks for the links and quote, I did think that too but wasnt sure but thought I would just ask to double check.

So if you dont need a TV licence to watch ITV and Channel 4 how can they catch people if they say they dont watch BBC? If you understand what I mean :oops:
banned#10
Just a point. Do you need a tv licence to play an xbox 360 on a tv?? One of my friends mentioned it, but I'm still not sure.
#11
Just to reiterate, because the bbc now does live tv on the net you do need a licence.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/playlive/bbc_one_london/
#12
If you disable the tv tuner (physically remove it, or render it inoperable) on the tv that the xbox is connected to you don't need a licence, if the tv has a tuner in it then you still need the license, even if you don't ever use it as it has the capability of receiving analog or digital tv.

If you had a monitor connected to the xbox instead you wouldn't need a license as there's no way the monitor on its own could receive broadcasts.
#13
calmacuk
You don't need a tv licence for iplayer or 4od as it's not live tv:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/01/iplayer_does_not_require_a_tv_1.html


Correct.
#14
spacem_uk
If you disable the tv tuner (physically remove it, or render it inoperable) on the tv that the xbox is connected to you don't need a licence, if the tv has a tuner in it then you still need the license, even if you don't ever use it as it has the capability of receiving analog or digital tv.

If you had a monitor connected to the xbox instead you wouldn't need a license as there's no way the monitor on its own could receive broadcasts.


Just make sure it's detuned.
#15
Benjimoron
Correct.


Wrong. That link is over a year old and they now have live tv.
#16
deathtrap3000
Wrong. That link is over a year old and they now have live tv.


Ok, but as long as you don't watch anything live you're ok still?
#17
Benjimoron
Ok, but as long as you don't watch anything live you're ok still?


I have no idea.
But you can always delete your history, or claim someone has been stealing your internet.
#18
I think just the fact your PC can receive live TV would be enough for them to extort the full amount out of you.....
#19
Xb0xGuru
I think just the fact your PC can receive live TV would be enough for them to extort the full amount out of you.....


Err. No. If your PC doesn't have a TV tuner and you do NOT watch live transmissions then they can NOT charge you the fee. Having a PC does not make you viable. If they put on live transmissions that's their problem . The wording is in the if you intend to or do watch etc. They have to prove you watch them. It is still a live TV licence, not a if you have any device that is capable because we deemed it possibe ...

We have a PC as is necessary for our jobs (programmers) but don't watch any TV, live or pre- recorded and haven't done for 40+ years. It would be nice such that if iPlayer was' live' then you have to register which means we stay innocent until proven guilty instead of the current climate where we have to prove we are non-users (pretty much every year) lol.
#20
Ewok
Err. No. If your PC doesn't have a TV tuner and you do NOT watch live transmissions then they can NOT charge you the fee. Having a PC does not make you viable. If they put on live transmissions that's their problem . The wording is in the if you intend to or do watch etc. They have to prove you watch them. It is still a live TV licence, not a if you have any device that is capable because we deemed it possibe ...

We have a PC as is necessary for our jobs (programmers) but don't watch any TV, live or pre- recorded and haven't done for 40+ years. It would be nice such that if iPlayer was' live' then you have to register which means we stay innocent until proven guilty instead of the current climate where we have to prove we are non-users (pretty much every year) lol.


If you have the internet and a PC, they can now charge you because that pc is capable of receiving live broadcasts.
#21
deathtrap3000
If you have the internet and a PC, they can now charge you because that pc is capable of receiving live broadcasts.


No they can't. We do not watch live TV transmissions, and they agree that we don't (and can be proven - at their, and license payers costs). Because they have put live transmissions on the internet doesn't mean we have to pay for their service which we don't use. Bottom line is that they cant force you to take their service. The latest paperwork received from them 2 weeks ago (and inspected) still means we can use our PC licence free.

We're not cheating the system. We don't watch TV. Full stop.
#22
Credit to you deathtrap, the BBC are trying to license PCs not just TVs - we know. A lot of people do use PCs to abuse the system, but bottom line is still if you don't watch TV then you are not liable, just harder to prove and a pain in the ****. Our 'device' still doesn't recieve TV transmission (because we don't go there?) - bottom line. Availability to everyone in the world doesn't mean everyone has to pay the licences fee. We paid extra to ensure our computer couldn't receive live transmission so if the 'law' changes, which can't as stands, they will have to pay compensation to us.

The wording still covers a 'device' which can recieve TV transmissions (recorders etc) but doesn't cover a PC not designed/built to explicitly recieve TV transmissions. Like I said, the fact they make it available is their problem. Changes in TV licensing in the next few years wil be 'interesting' and to be fair the BBC do give an important Worldwide coverage which we would be happy to pay towards, we're just not interested in TV.
banned#23
deathtrap3000
BBC is what you need the TV Licence for. Since they now broadcast over the net, all people with the internet are now required to pay.


Rubbish.
1 Like #24
Think of it from the bbc's point of view. You now have a 'device' capable of receiving broadcasts, and you are required by law to pay the fee.
If you dont have a tv licence and you click this link, you are breaking the law.
Now what if I didnt have a licence and I clicked that link. Its very easy to fix it so that nobody could prove that I clicked it.
Its like saying I have a tv, but just because I dont watch bbc channels, I dont have to pay.
But then again, some people cant understand so my rant is over.
#25
The BBC can charge for people receiving live TV transmissions but they can't charge for people having internet. That's still out of their scope and is not something they will be able to change.
#26
deathtrap3000
BBC is what you need the TV Licence for. Since they now broadcast over the net, all people with the internet are now required to pay.


guv
Rubbish.


deathtrap3000
Think of it from the bbc's point of view. You now have a 'device' capable of receiving broadcasts, and you are required by law to pay the fee.
If you dont have a tv licence and you click this link, you are breaking the law.
Now what if I didnt have a licence and I clicked that link. Its very easy to fix it so that nobody could prove that I clicked it.
Its like saying I have a tv, but just because I dont watch bbc channels, I dont have to pay.
But then again, some people cant understand so my rant is over.


Guess what. We don't click. Our history of usage of internet can prove we only surf 5 sites. We've had email since 1988 and we don't get spam (that includes freebie addresses). Can you make that boast? This is my only forum and I only signed up because I wanted to support someone.

If that click took us to a live site then the license payer would expect the BBC(and live TV) to police their own sites and ensure registration and only payers could make use and most importantly the courts would agree (and currently the license inspectors). Our PC was bought specifically to be TV un-enabled. Being forced to have something thrust upon us doesn't wash (go back to the anology that everyone in the world is now liable - don't think). There's a lot of things still free on the internet that shouldn't be; newspaers etc but currently they still are.

I actually agree there are a lot of things the BBC pay for and provide which are free to non license payers and I support them (non of your business how).

Our 'device' wasn't live bought TV enabled. It now seems that it is forced upon us and everyone else in the world including the <£100 laptops for the third world? We don't use the service, and the wording, backed by law, saws we don't have to pay for something we don't receive.

We have had recent discussions with the TV licensing people so we know where we stand and our PC usage is valid and license free. They don't give us jip or any argument. For others it may be different, and certainly it is a lot tighter. Are you a TV license enforcer with a different opinion (in the last 2 weeks) as we have it from the horses mouth so to speak.
#27
Edit: didn't read the full post from Ewok :) I'm glad you're all square with the licensing people!

What I don't agree with is paying for BBC produced DVDs/Blu-Ray at full retail price since my license fee helped fund it. There should be a scheme where you take the license into a store and you get 50% off any BBC produced content.
banned#28
If you buy a graphics card you get sent a TV licence request if you don't hold one at that address :oops: but it's a load of bullocks just throw it in the bin
#29
Lots of misinformation here.

If you buy a new device that is capable of receiving tv signals, i.e. tv tuner, vcr's etc the retailer has to inform tv licencing. This does not apply to computers unless you buy one with a tv card.

That doesn't mean you need a licence, you only need a licence if you are going to use it to watch the tv channels (doesnt matter whether its bbc or itv or the others, you still need a licence).
If you're only using a tv to play on a console and not watching tv, then you don't need a licence (though you'll have to prove it to them that you're not using it to watch tv, i.e. tv's not tuned into any channels)

Although the money goes to the bbc, you need a licence regardless of which channels you watch.

As for internet, technically you do need a licence if you're watching the live bbc tv streams, but they're more likely to turn a blind eye as its not feasible for them to check in the current implementation of the iplayer.

For the on demand shows you do not need a licence as you're not watching them live.

Hope this helps to clear things.

P.S. you'd only get sent a tv licence request for a graphics card if the graphics card had an inbuilt tuner.
banned#30
unknownuser
Lots of misinformation here.....
....P.S. you'd only get sent a tv licence request for a graphics card if the graphics card had an inbuilt tuner.


That was full of misinformation too, my card didn't have an inbut tuner but still got sent a request, if you have a TV capable of receiving TV you must have a licence whether you watch it or not. Costs about £50 to have the receiver taken out of the TV.
#31
lumoruk
That was full of misinformation too, my card didn't have an inbut tuner but still got sent a request, if you have a TV capable of receiving TV you must have a licence whether you watch it or not. Costs about £50 to have the receiver taken out of the TV.


WRONG!

Probably the mistake of the shop for filling in the form.

You don't need a license if you don't take the receiver out.
banned#32
http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/information/excuses.jsp

They seem to have changed the rules, you have to inform them you have a TV but don't use it :lol: what the hell?

"You do not need a TV Licence if you only use your TV to watch videos and DVDs or as a monitor for your games console.
However, please notify us in writing that this is the case. One of our Enforcement Officers may visit you to confirm that you do not need a licence.
Please write to us including your name, address and the reason you believe that you don't need a licence at:

TV Licensing
Bristol
BS98 1TL."


This one is funny
"Will I need a TV Licence to watch programmes on BBC iPlayer?

If you use the BBC iPlayer to watch TV programmes at the same time as they are being shown on TV (live) then you will need to be covered by a valid TV Licence.

If you use the BBC iPlayer to watch BBC programmes after they have been broadcast - either to download, or via streaming 'on demand' you will not need a TV Licence. "
#33
lumoruk
http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/information/excuses.jsp

They seem to have changed the rules, you have to inform them you have a TV but don't use it :lol: what the hell?

"You do not need a TV Licence if you only use your TV to watch videos and DVDs or as a monitor for your games console.
However, please notify us in writing that this is the case. One of our Enforcement Officers may visit you to confirm that you do not need a licence.
Please write to us including your name, address and the reason you believe that you don't need a licence at:

TV Licensing
Bristol
BS98 1TL."


This one is funny
"Will I need a TV Licence to watch programmes on BBC iPlayer?

If you use the BBC iPlayer to watch TV programmes at the same time as they are being shown on TV (live) then you will need to be covered by a valid TV Licence.

If you use the BBC iPlayer to watch BBC programmes after they have been broadcast - either to download, or via streaming 'on demand' you will not need a TV Licence. "


That's how the rules have been for ages. Don't remember them any different.

The license only covers live broadcasts, hence why they can't charge you for iplayer (non-live).
#34
lumoruk
That was full of misinformation too, my card didn't have an inbut tuner but still got sent a request, if you have a TV capable of receiving TV you must have a licence whether you watch it or not. Costs about £50 to have the receiver taken out of the TV.


What misinformation?
If there is any i'll correct it.
#35
Benjimoron
That's how the rules have been for ages. Don't remember them any different.

The license only covers live broadcasts, hence why they can't charge you for iplayer (non-live).


this is what i thought as well!!
banned#36
Just a point. Do you need a tv licence to play an xbox 360 on a tv?? One of my friends mentioned it, but I'm still not sure.
#37
davidhurn
Just a point. Do you need a tv licence to play an xbox 360 on a tv?? One of my friends mentioned it, but I'm still not sure.


If the tv has a tv tuner in it.
banned#38
Yes it does.
banned#39
Would it be recommended to get one then?? As at the moment I don't have one. Only use iplayer and 4od for tv and my Xbox constantly, so nothing live etc.
#40
lumoruk;4016270
http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/information/excuses.jsp

They seem to have changed the rules, you have to inform them you have a TV but don't use it :lol: what the hell?


The rules didnt change you were just wrong. I remember looking about 4 years ago and it being exactly like that.

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