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Be Value customers can get O2BB with a small loophole

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9y, 1m agoPosted 9 years, 1 month ago
BeValue = £14/month for 12months so on 1 year contract, now varying people will be at different lengths into that 1 year contract.

But it does not matter.


What you can do instead though, is upgrade to Be unlimited @ £18/m from BeValue £14/m 100% penalty free.

Be Unlimited has a 3month minimum contract as I undetstand it

BeUnlimited T&C leaving section:


[* If you are a Be unlimited member and want to end your contract before you are connected you may do so, but you agree to pay Be all connection Charges incurred and you will need to choose whether to receive three (3) months of Services (and pay all Charges for the three (3) month period) or instead choose to pay the express cancellation administrative fee of £40 to terminate your contract
[* If you are a Be lite or value member and want to end your contract before you are connected you may do so, but you agree to pay Be all connection Charges incurred and you will need to choose whether to receive 12 months of Services (and pay all Charges for the 12 month minimum service contract period) or instead choose to pay for 12 months of Services without receiving the Services BeValue T&V Leaving Section:

In the unlikely event that we send you an email confirming a connection date, but do not actually connect your Service for more than one (1) month after this confirmed connection date (other than as a result of your own act or omission), you are entitled to end your contract with Be by sending a cancellation notice in writing. If you do so, any Charges you have paid will be refunded to you.

If you wish to cancel for any other reason:
[* If you are a Be unlimited member and want to end your contract before you are connected you may do so, but you agree to pay Be all connection Charges incurred and you will need to choose whether to receive three (3) months of Services (and pay all Charges for the three (3) month period) or instead choose to pay the express cancellation administrative fee of £40 to terminate your contract
[* If you are a Be lite or value member and want to end your contract before you are connected you may do so, but you agree to pay Be all connection Charges incurred and you will need to choose whether to receive 12 months of Services (and pay all Charges for the 12 month minimum service contract period) or instead choose to pay for 12 months of Services without receiving the Services Basically once you are connected you have to give 3months notice on BeUnlimited or pay the rest of the 1 year contract on BeValue.

My, amateur advice and stolen from AG BBS, is to upgrade free of charge to BeUnlimited @ £18/m from BeValue once up and running on BeUnlimited give 3months notice then come Late January get the mac key from BeThere and move to O2BB at the discounted rate

So an extra £12 over 12months or £40 to go straight to O2BB now and O2BB is only £3 cheaper on 02BB 20mbit service than Beunlimited £6 cheaper on O2BB 16mbit than BeUnlimited and £6.50 cheaper on O2BB 8mbit

Making the £12 extra to Bethere worth it to get O2BB in late January, of course the catch being you must have an O2 pay Monthly Contract to get that O2BB prices and all the O2BB deals have a one year contract.

Hope this helped someone.

Sorry I realise thats messy but editing in the miniscule advanced window is annoying :)
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9y, 1m agoPosted 9 years, 1 month ago
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banned#1
schizoboy
BeValue = £14/month for 12months so on 1 year contract, now varying people will be at different lengths into that 1 year contract.

But it does not matter.


What you can do instead though, is upgrade to Be unlimited @ £18/m from BeValue £14/m 100% penalty free.

Be Unlimited has a 3month minimum contract as I undetstand it

BeUnlimited T&C leaving section:

BeValue T&V Leaving Section:
Basically once you are connected you have to give 3months notice on BeUnlimited or pay the rest of the 1 year contract on BeValue.

My, amateur advice and stolen from AG BBS, is to upgrade free of charge to BeUnlimited @ £18/m from BeValue once up and running on BeUnlimited give 3months notice then come Late January get the mac key from BeThere and move to O2BB at the discounted rate

So an extra £12 over 12months or £40 to go straight to O2BB now and O2BB is only £3 cheaper on 02BB 20mbit service than Beunlimited £6 cheaper on O2BB 16mbit than BeUnlimited and £6.50 cheaper on O2BB 8mbit

Making the £12 extra to Bethere worth it to get O2BB in late January, of course the catch being you must have an O2 pay Monthly Contract to get that O2BB prices and all the O2BB deals have a one year contract.

Hope this helped someone.

Sorry I realise thats messy but editing in the miniscule advanced window is annoying :)


I think Ive missed your point here!

You can get O2 now cant you? So what is the advantage of going through 2 tarrifs at Be before migrating? There may be some logic - but I'm not seeing it!

Im currently with Be. My migration date is set for 4 Jan. I'm probably going to stay put though (yes I know its £6 more - but I know the D/L is unlimited and no throttleing takes place. Plus - even though I have an O2 contract - I have a feeling this is going to be used to keep me on both services - which I'd rather not have to do. ie taking O2 BB in January means unless I stay with O2 mobile - I'm gonna be hit with a £10 surcharge for probably a worse (possibly) service.)

Anyway - can you explain what the purpose of the methods you are proposing? I'm not saying its not a good idea - just dont follow the logic for doing so!
#2
As I understood it.

Anyone on and connected on BeValue still inside their 1year contract, cannot leave for O2BB or anyone without paying off the rest of that 1 year contract.

My Method was to avoid that.
#3
guv
I think Ive missed your point here!

You can get O2 now cant you? So what is the advantage of going through 2 tarrifs at Be before migrating? There may be some logic - but I'm not seeing it!

Im currently with Be. My migration date is set for 4 Jan. I'm probably going to stay put though (yes I know its £6 more - but I know the D/L is unlimited and no throttleing takes place. Plus - even though I have an O2 contract - I have a feeling this is going to be used to keep me on both services - which I'd rather not have to do. ie taking O2 BB in January means unless I stay with O2 mobile - I'm gonna be hit with a £10 surcharge for probably a worse (possibly) service.)

Anyway - can you explain what the purpose of the methods you are proposing? I'm not saying its not a good idea - just dont follow the logic for doing so!


I spoke to O2BB and they said any order has a 20day timeout period, if no valid mac is applied to the order within 20days of ordering the order expires for a migration order.

Also a mac code only lasts for 28days, so how on earth did you manage a migration for January, afaik thats not possible.
banned#4
schizoboy
I spoke to O2BB and they said any order has a 20day timeout period, if no valid mac is applied to the order within 20days of ordering the order expires for a migration order.

Also a mac code only lasts for 28days, so how on earth did you manage a migration for January, afaik thats not possible.


I got given the MAC because they didnt listen to what I asked for! You cannot just migrate to O2 - you have to serve your 3 month notice period (hence the cancellation date of 4th January.) They've now said I would need to contact them in Mid December to get another MAC to presesnt to O2. If I had just used the MAC they had provided, I'd have been clobbered with a cancellation charge.

However, can you explain the purpose of your suggestion. I just dont follow the logic of doing so. Note - Im not saying you're post isnt worthwhile - I just dont get the reason you'd want to do it!
banned#5
schizoboy
As I understood it.

Anyone on and connected on BeValue still inside their 1year contract, cannot leave for O2BB or anyone without paying off the rest of that 1 year contract.

My Method was to avoid that.


Ah - OK. I'm already on "Unlimited" - so its only relevant to "Be Value". Hadnt spotted that in the header.

Yup - point taken.
#6
As I said, I understand BeValue to = 12month term so if you're still inside that term of 9months or less I would imagine to include 3months notice inside or outside of it.

So if on BeValue for under 9months and you want to leave BeValue, going Beunlimited gives you the option to move to a 3month contract deal instead of remaining in the current 12month one, opening up your options after 3months should you give notice like you did.

That is how I understand it, I'm happy to be proved wrong... but after speaking to BeThere, any other solution did not seem to exist.
#7
guv
Ah - OK. I'm already on "Unlimited" - so its only relevant to "Be Value". Hadnt spotted that in the header.

Yup - point taken.

Hehe thats ok, long day, and I wasn't making much sense.

I just moved over to Behome (aka Unlimited) from BeValue and I'll be giving notice soon too so that come near xmas I can get a mac key and give it to O2BB copying what you have done.

I cannot see O2BB being worse than Be, that would be like saying SkyBB is worse than Easynet or UKOnline imo.

But the extra charges, the O2BB 1year contract the 100daynotice do all seem there to entice you to stay, no matter what, lacking the 3month flexibility of BeUnLimited/Pro thing is come April 2009, BT will have ADSL2 available to every ISP to serve 50% of the nation and LLUers will not have it so easy so it should be more competitive and these LLU restrictions SkyBB/O2BB have in place will have to loosen up to stay competitive in the market.
banned#8
schizoboy
Hehe thats ok, long day, and I wasn't making much sense.


No probs. We'd both responded just after each others new post was sent - it reads quite funny with the timeline of the thread... but we both know whats caused it!:giggle:

I just moved over to Behome (aka Unlimited) from BeValue and I'll be giving notice soon too so that come near xmas I can get a mac key and give it to O2BB copying what you have done.

I cannot see O2BB being worse than Be, that would be like saying SkyBB is worse than Easynet or UKOnline imo.

But the extra charges, the O2BB 1year contract the 100daynotice do all seem there to entice you to stay, no matter what, lacking the 3month flexibility of BeUnLimited/Pro thing is come April 2009, BT will have ADSL2 available to every ISP to serve 50% of the nation and LLUers will not have it so easy so it should be more competitive and these LLU restrictions SkyBB/O2BB have in place will have to loosen up to stay competitive in the market.


I wished I was that confident / optimistic about how O2 will run things. I guess the viewpoint is based on how "big" companies muscle in and essentially make a mess. I'm pleased that Be is being left alone - though we shall wait and see if it has an effect on bandwidth when O2 get going.

Just in case Ive misunderstood your migration aims....

When do you indend to tell them and ask for a MAC? Bare in mind you need to give them 3 months notice - which is why I can move on Jan 4 if I want to. If I just asked for a MAC now - they would hit me with a £50 cancellation charge - so bare that bit in mind when you take your migration forward. (So if you did want to migrate in January - put in your cancellation now to avoid that charge and request your MAC in Mid December.
#9
All niche ISPs are being gobbled up by the big coporates

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/cgi-bin/news/viewnews.cgi?id=EEAkEZZVZFCiqmgRJx

Customers need to learn to adapt, to become wary and to be far more asserative and stop being sheep in accepting mediocre service.

Three years with O2 Mobile Contract is what is making me do this really, I was happy with their service, market forces are making O2 do this twinplay bundle (triple play invitable like Orange has just started doing PSTN PhoneLine + Broadband + Mobile)

As that ISPR link proves the vast vast majority is in control of a handful, the next wave of competition will be when BT offers Fibre to the Lamppost/cabinet and VDSL2+ (whenever thats bloody ratified so the market can adopt and use it) and Sky/Cable will have a competitive delivery infrastructure vs. their own, but that's a pipedream for now.

I'm going to give notice this weekend probably, Friday actually as they are off on Weekends, then my assumption was they'd give me a date like they did you, to ask in December or early Jan for the MAC. So 19th Jan is when I can leave BeThere and give O2BB the MAC in 2008, AIUI.

So long as you serve your 3month contract, when did you get BeUlimited? (not 100% sure on 3months notice as well, I assumed, again, they could overlap) I thought you get the MAC in 3months and can move on penalty free.
banned#10
schizoboy

I'm going to give notice this weekend probably, Friday actually as they are off on Weekends, then my assumption was they'd give me a date like they did you, to ask in December or early Jan for the MAC. So 19th Jan is when I can leave BeThere and give O2BB the MAC in 2008, AIUI.

So long as you serve your 3month contract, when did you get BeUlimited? (not 100% sure on 3months notice as well, I assumed, again, they could overlap) I thought you get the MAC in 3months and can move on penalty free.


When you give cancellation notice, that is exactly what it is. ie your line and account will terminate on that date. So your MAC must be used prior to this. I did ask them if I would get penalised for activating the MAC a week or so prior to the cancellation date and they confirmed I wouldnt. However, its worth your while to ask them that question in a ticket, so you avoid any potential problems. ie you've followed their own guidelines. So with that in mind, I know that I have to cancel the cancellation - or migrate by the 4th or be without the internet!!!

I migrated to Be in March 06 - but wanted to do so a year previous. I migrated as soon as the service was available. I was with Freedom2surf, which was great when I joined, but went downhill as soon as Pipex bought them out. The service was fine though when I left - but the carrot of a connection speed double what I had was a golden carrot.

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