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I am being scammed as we speak on this site

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Is there anyone who can help me. The sales thread is here. http://www.hotukdeals.com/for-sale-trade/i7-ultrabook-lenovo-yoga-2-pro-13-3-inch-touchscreen-convertible-laptop-silver-intel-2575506?p=29…
StJimmy Avatar
2m, 4d agoPosted 2 months, 4 days ago
Is there anyone who can help me. The sales thread is here.

http://www.hotukdeals.com/for-sale-trade/i7-ultrabook-lenovo-yoga-2-pro-13-3-inch-touchscreen-convertible-laptop-silver-intel-2575506?p=29638612

The buyer is saying I damaged the pc so I could return it which isnt the case.

Is there anyway I can get a date of when my pictures were taken when his was etc to prove him a liar. He is being really crafty and I want to make sure I show him to be the fraud he is.
StJimmy Avatar
2m, 4d agoPosted 2 months, 4 days ago
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banned 17 Likes
Ah, what a surprise. 0zone. He was an absolute helmet in the trading flamdeer thread and basically shafted people by trying his luck. Not a very nice character at all and I completely believe your version of events.

Hope he is exposed and banned.
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@Ozone. Why did you still dispatch the laptop when the buyer clearly told you beforehand not to send it. Fair enough if you did not get the messages beforehand but from what I can tell you was aware the buyer changed there mind, you could have saved all this bother by listening to the buyers request, especially as it was you that failed to post on the dates agreed....
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Source links to the photos 0zone posted:
https://postimg.org/image/o9pj3rnal/
https://postimg.org/image/6xaaogtb7/
https://postimg.org/image/x6kunxkpl/

If you "download original image", then go to file properties, the info for all 3 shows they were taken 14th August. Also the file name points towards the same date. 4 month old photos can't really be used as solid "proof" that it was in "pristine condition" before being sent.

Good luck getting it sorted!
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0zone
Biboboy
Anyone noticed the name of the image of the laptop he provided?https://s28.postimg.org/9flh5tkil/20160814_145430.jpg
14/08/2016 suggests that this photo was taken months ago (although I guess it proves nothing)
Yes, I bought my SurfaceBook in August. The laptop has remained unused in it's box since then. I'm not the kind of person to spent £1500 on a laptop and then treat it with no respect.

It proves the images aren't recent though. They were taken 4 months ago - plenty of time to cause scrapes and scratches, no?

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#1
How did you pay for it?
#2
If they where taken on a digital camera cant you look at the properties of the photos in your pc to see ehen they were taken.
2 Likes #3
Error440
If they where taken on a digital camera cant you look at the properties of the photos in your pc to see ehen they were taken.


​Problem with that is, the metadata of photos can easily be manipulated and changed.
banned 17 Likes #4
Ah, what a surprise. 0zone. He was an absolute helmet in the trading flamdeer thread and basically shafted people by trying his luck. Not a very nice character at all and I completely believe your version of events.

Hope he is exposed and banned.
#5
I paid by paypal but he is being very clever. I decided to go through paypal for a refund, as I didnt trust him. He has contacted them sending pictures saying I damaged the pc.
1 Like #6
StJimmy
I paid by paypal but he is being very clever. I decided to go through paypal for a refund, as I didnt trust him. He has contacted them sending pictures saying I damaged the pc.


​Just send your photos from your digital camera/phone. PayPal have a good protection policy.
#7
If taken via mobile you can connect it to your PC and it should show times onece uploaded to p.c.
#8
peeej1978
StJimmy
I paid by paypal but he is being very clever. I decided to go through paypal for a refund, as I didnt trust him. He has contacted them sending pictures saying I damaged the pc.
​Just send your photos from your digital camera/phone. PayPal have a good protection policy.

I will do but and I am 95% sure they will side with me but I would still like to try and expose this fraud.

His allegations are bonkers why would someone damage the external on a laptop for a refund.
1 Like #9
It's clearly not the same laptop. One has a green logo and one has a red logo. So either its had parts swapped or is a totally different laptop.

Who is scamming who I'm not sure.

Edited By: GAVINLEWISHUKD on Dec 23, 2016 15:05
#10
MR1123
If taken via mobile you can connect it to your PC and it should show times onece uploaded to p.c.

I can do this if required. I took them not long after it was delivered. I was hoping we would be able to get the time and date as to when he took his pictures.
6 Likes #12
GAVINLEWISHUKD
It's clearly not the same laptop. One has a green logo and one has a red laptop. So either its had parts swapped or is a totally different laptop.
Who is scamming who I'm not sure.
I don't know why people are commenting with this... It is clearly the Microsoft Holographic logo!
banned#13
GAVINLEWISHUKD
It's clearly not the same laptop. One has a green logo and one has a red logo. So either its had parts swapped or is a totally different laptop.
Who is scamming who I'm not sure.

I know who my moneys on!
1 Like #14
MR1123
If taken via mobile you can connect it to your PC and it should show times onece uploaded to p.c.


​Qont prove anything. The metadata on photos is so easily changed, it doesn't mean anything.
#15
Description says has accidental damage.... ?? what about that
3 Likes #16
Not really looked fully into this but why were his pictures of the laptop black but then it's changed to silver? Not sure if I've missed something here.
#17
sunilm
Description says has accidental damage.... ?? what about that

The extended warranty includes accidental damage.
#18
The damage doesn't look fresh. The laptop just looks used. Would take a bit of work to get that effect to it. People are paid quite well for givings things the upcycled/stressed look
banned 1 Like #19
https://s28.postimg.org/cm7nphtwd/COMPARISON.jpg
https://s27.postimg.org/hcg1vox5v/image.jpg
https://s27.postimg.org/hcg1vox5v/image.jpghttps://s24.postimg.org/n0bvk1ww5/20160814_145529.jpg

Changed mind before it was even delivered, now says it's damaged. Nightmare of a buyer who'll happily open a not as described case in paypal and then damage it to suit. I've proven it wasn't the case, so PayPal will make a decision.
Merry Christmas...
#20
As above, you may be able to get details of when the photo was taken on your pc. In future, you can download camera apps in which you can take time stamped photos. One such app i use is called Camera360
6 Likes #21
Anyone noticed the name of the image of the laptop he provided?

https://s28.postimg.org/9flh5tkil/20160814_145430.jpg

14/08/2016 suggests that this photo was taken months ago (although I guess it proves nothing)
banned#22
https://s27.postimg.org/9o1wnd5k3/20160814_145430.jpg

Pristine throughout.
banned#23
Biboboy
Anyone noticed the name of the image of the laptop he provided?

https://s28.postimg.org/9flh5tkil/20160814_145430.jpg

14/08/2016 suggests that this photo was taken months ago (although I guess it proves nothing)

Yes, I bought my SurfaceBook in August. The laptop has remained unused in it's box since then. I'm not the kind of person to spent £1500 on a laptop and then treat it with no respect.
#24
I have never known such a dishonest guy. I would be interested to see his feedback elsewhere. Cant imagine this his is first rodeo.
1 Like #25
gotta love how people automatically know it's the seller at fault, based on limited information here.
#26
Danjw91
Not really looked fully into this but why were his pictures of the laptop black but then it's changed to silver? Not sure if I've missed something here.


​agree could be lighting but definitely looks different
banned#27
Here's the gumtree advert at the time.
https://s23.postimg.org/3t6akl0xn/capture1.jpg
banned 1 Like #28
willhay555
gotta love how people automatically know it's the seller at fault, based on limited information here.

Slimey little fella.
banned#29
zainarafiq
Danjw91
Not really looked fully into this but why were his pictures of the laptop black but then it's changed to silver? Not sure if I've missed something here.

​agree could be lighting but definitely looks different
The laptop is black on the inside, silver on the outside.
#30
On his low quality images, you can see scratches and the hairline crack on the corner of the laptop.

But why would he have a picture of the corner of the laptop after he sent it out?. Seems quite strange.

Maybe had 2 of these and still has 1 of them, which he's now deciding to take pictures of his remaining good condition one.

I don't know you, but i don't believe anyone would create damage just to get a return on it. I mean some of the damage looks like real wear and tear over some time!. Such as worn down pain where the crack is.

Why not come to an agreement with the seller, let the seller offer it for sale again, as i see others are interested in this. Offer it £10 more than you paid to cover your postage and you can ship it directly to the new buyer. If not then i think the buyer should just accept the item back, the evidence is not in his favour.
banned#31
http://shop.lenovo.com/gb/en/laptops/lenovo/yoga/yoga-2-pro/

There's also a lower model which is orange on the outside.
1 Like #32
0zone
Biboboy
Anyone noticed the name of the image of the laptop he provided?https://s28.postimg.org/9flh5tkil/20160814_145430.jpg
14/08/2016 suggests that this photo was taken months ago (although I guess it proves nothing)
Yes, I bought my SurfaceBook in August. The laptop has remained unused in it's box since then. I'm not the kind of person to spent £1500 on a laptop and then treat it with no respect.
I wasn't accusing you of anything, it just seemed to me like the photos were ones from right before sending the item so I wanted to point out that they werent :p
banned#33
J4GG4
On his low quality images, you can see scratches and the hairline crack on the corner of the laptop.

But why would he have a picture of the corner of the laptop after he sent it out?. Seems quite strange.

Maybe had 2 of these and still has 1 of them, which he's now deciding to take pictures of his remaining good condition one.

I don't know you, but i don't believe anyone would create damage just to get a return on it. I mean some of the damage looks like real wear and tear over some time!. Such as worn down pain where the crack is.

Why not come to an agreement with the seller, let the seller offer it for sale again, as i see others are interested in this. Offer it £10 more than you paid to cover your postage and you can ship it directly to the new buyer. If not then i think the buyer should just accept the item back, the evidence is not in his favour.

The guy is completely unreasonable. Demanded a refund while it was still in transit because it was one extra working day. Paid me on thursday morning at 8.36am and complained that I had not dispatched it by lunch time. . He knows that a significantly not as described case has more weight than a request to return it. He can fabricate as much "damage" as he likes, it will not help as I have proof of it's condition. I also have proof of the warranty, and proof of the accidental damage cover still in place until November next year.

What a jerk to deal with, right before Christmas too. There you go, always someone out there playing the system. The sad part is he'll probably get away with it.
1 Like #34
MrScotchBonnet
willhay555
gotta love how people automatically know it's the seller at fault, based on limited information here.

Slimey little fella.


​Me?
Little?
#35
faisalrashid1984
As above, you may be able to get details of when the photo was taken on your pc. In future, you can download camera apps in which you can take time stamped photos. One such app i use is called Camera360


​As above, that data proves nothing as the metadata can be changed really easily.
7 Likes #36
0zone
Biboboy
Anyone noticed the name of the image of the laptop he provided?https://s28.postimg.org/9flh5tkil/20160814_145430.jpg
14/08/2016 suggests that this photo was taken months ago (although I guess it proves nothing)
Yes, I bought my SurfaceBook in August. The laptop has remained unused in it's box since then. I'm not the kind of person to spent £1500 on a laptop and then treat it with no respect.

It proves the images aren't recent though. They were taken 4 months ago - plenty of time to cause scrapes and scratches, no?
2 Likes #37
ashmac
op i can also see where the buyers comming from you messed him around abit so he has your laptop and wants a refund ..paypal will refund before he sends it back they dont care
take my advice cur paypal off and run ​if not
no laptop
minus £350 at xmas

The OP is the buyer.
4 Likes #38
Hope he gets his money back, obviously cheated by 0zone after looking at all the evidence, at that point where he/she changed the delivery after adverting the price includes special delivery, i would have been out.
#39
ashmac
op do not wait for paypal to decide are you mad???
take all the money out report your card lost
you will lose all your money

Why would they take any money from the OP?

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