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Ok, So I have posted this 'deal' this morning...... http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/sony-ps4-console-used-very-good-factory-sealed-from-270-07-amazon-warehouse-comments-2093385#post23842710 PS4 …
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[helper] 2y, 3m agoPosted 2 years, 3 months ago
Ok, So I have posted this 'deal' this morning......

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/sony-ps4-console-used-very-good-factory-sealed-from-270-07-amazon-warehouse-comments-2093385#post23842710

PS4 console from £270.07, Amazon have had to list it as 'Like New' as it is obviously a sealed customer return and they cannot list it as 'New' although it blatantly is.

These are £30 cheaper than the current solus console.

They are factory sealed, Which is brand new is it not?

Yet the comments are starting to frustrate me, Is it only me that is seeing the actual deal here?
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[helper] 2y, 3m agoPosted 2 years, 3 months ago
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[helper][HUKD Deal Editor]#1
Ok, So I have posted this 'deal' this morning......

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/sony-ps4-console-used-very-good-factory-sealed-from-270-07-amazon-warehouse-comments-2093385#post23842710

PS4 console from £270.07, Amazon have had to list it as 'Like New' as it is obviously a sealed customer return and they cannot list it as 'New' although it blatantly is.

These are £30 cheaper than the current solus console.

They are factory sealed, Which is brand new is it not?

Yet the comments are starting to frustrate me, Is it only me that is seeing the actual deal here?
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Has price gone up? says £278.87
#3
I purchased two last week goodness they were in absolute atrocious condition so much scratches on the shiny part not very keen on again from warehouse
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Im on your side mate, ive had many things from warehouse deals and all factory sealed including a half price TV!!!! I think people jusy dont understand warehouse deals, like new means factory sealed but they just not allowed to advertise as new, good means box opened but product never used, some are just damaged packaging in transit, I have always got a brand new product from this, with the exception of a mark on the box etc which does not matter and you still get a 12 month warranty anyway so does it really matter if its new or not???
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Im on your side mate, ive had many things from warehouse deals and all factory sealed including a half price TV!!!! I think people jusy dont understand warehouse deals, like new means factory sealed but they just not allowed to advertise as new, good means box opened but product never used, some are just damaged packaging in transit, I have always got a brand new product from this, with the exception of a mark on the box etc which does not matter and you still get a 12 month warranty anyway so does it really matter if its new or not???

It's completely thrown me off to be honest mate, I put 'Like New' in the title as I am not one to hide things, but it also states 'Factory Sealed', I can't work some peoples mentality to be honest sometimes.
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Im on your side mate, ive had many things from warehouse deals and all factory sealed including a half price TV!!!! I think people jusy dont understand warehouse deals, like new means factory sealed but they just not allowed to advertise as new, good means box opened but product never used, some are just damaged packaging in transit, I have always got a brand new product from this, with the exception of a mark on the box etc which does not matter and you still get a 12 month warranty anyway so does it really matter if its new or not???

It's completely thrown me off to be honest mate, I put 'Like New' in the title as I am not one to hide things, but it also states 'Factory Sealed', I can't work some peoples mentality to be honest sometimes.


I think people are very quick to shoot others down on this site and I wouldn't take it personally mate, I have added heat to the deal, im sure the people who understand the deal and want a PS4 will think about purchasing this, we still get people marking down as was cheaper on black friday, black friday was 4 weeks ago and we have to wait 11 months until it comes around again. So £270 is a very good price for a factory sealed PS4!!!!!
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Am I been somewhat slow?

I am going to say yes :p

Edited By: StevenBrown on Dec 20, 2014 13:21
[helper][HUKD Deal Editor]#8
StevenBrown
Am I been somewhat slow?

I am going to say yes :p

I can't argue with a direct comment ;)
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BuzzDuraband
Ok, So I have posted this 'deal' this morning......http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/sony-ps4-console-used-very-good-factory-sealed-from-270-07-amazon-warehouse-comments-2093385#post23842710PS4 console from £270.07, Amazon have had to list it as 'Like New' as it is obviously a sealed customer return and they cannot list it as 'New' although it blatantly is.These are £30 cheaper than the current solus console.They are factory sealed, Which is brand new is it not?Yet the comments are starting to frustrate me,...

The title of your "Deal" is:

"Sony PS4 Console (Used - Very Good - Factory Sealed) - From £270.07 - Amazon Warehouse (see comments)"

How do you know it is "blatantly" new?

"Used - Very Good" does not indicate to me that it is "brand new" as you seem to think it is.

Has it been re-sealed by Amazon (UK)? What warranty remains? Are all the original retail contents included? How "used" has it been?

Unless the two consoles you mentioned have now been sold, the description at the [GET DEAL] link states:

[ http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B00BE4HOIM/ ]
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£270.07
Used - Very Good

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/11CzpAt5SAL.gif

The item may come repackaged. Minor cosmetic imperfection on the front of the item. Missing owner / user manual. Accessories may have cosmetic damage. All purchases eligible for Amazon customer service and a 30-day return policy.
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BuzzDuraband
...Is it only me that is seeing the actual deal here

I don't see it. For £30-ish more, I can see far better ways to spend (or waste) your money.

Opening a "brand new" gadget/technology product from the original manufacturer's factory seal appeals to many people. Me included.

I would be prepared to pay an additional £30 for that.
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Opening a "brand new" gadget/technology product from the original manufacturer's factory seal appeals to many people. Me included.

The item in question has now gone out of stock so I can't reference you with an image of the listing, It was stated as 'factory sealed'

No mention of repackaged as with the Destiny bundle.
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BuzzDuraband
The item in question has now gone out of stock so I can't reference you with an image of the listing, It was stated as 'factory sealed'

No mention of repackaged as with the Destiny bundle.

I have clicked "Expire" on your thread. I suggest you do the same.
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BuzzDuraband
The item in question has now gone out of stock so I can't reference you with an image of the listing, It was stated as 'factory sealed'

No mention of repackaged as with the Destiny bundle.

I have clicked "Expire" on your thread. I suggest you do the same.

How is that relevant to your statement of.....

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Opening a "brand new" gadget/technology product from the original manufacturer's factory seal appeals to many people. Me included.

Or are we just passing past that now you feel you have answered my question regardless of what I have told you? It was a factory sealed PS4 at £270.
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It may be 'factory sealed' as you say, but I would not class it as 'brand new' if it's a customer return. Maybe even Amazon sealed it themselves, and just wrote 'factory sealed'. HTH.
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Or are we just passing past that now you feel you have answered my question regardless of what I have told you? It was a factory sealed PS4 at £270.

I posted the above text before you informed me it was factory sealed.

All I could see when I began typing in this thread was the description I posted above.

This aside... it is still relevant to me & would influence my vote.

I think that may be your issue; you believe everybody should consider the "Deal" hot because you do.
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It may be 'factory sealed' as you say, but I would not class it as 'brand new' if it's a customer return. Maybe even Amazon sealed it themselves, and just wrote 'factory sealed'. HTH.

Thanks... although I already tried to say that. It didn't help.
[helper][HUKD Deal Editor]#16
Transformers
It may be 'factory sealed' as you say, but I would not class it as 'brand new' if it's a customer return. Maybe even Amazon sealed it themselves, and just wrote 'factory sealed'. HTH.

Do Amazon have a factory? ;)

Factory Sealed.
Manufacturer Refurbished.
Seller Refurbished.
Like New.
Used - Very Good.
Used - Good.
Used - Acceptable.
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It may be 'factory sealed' as you say, but I would not class it as 'brand new' if it's a customer return. Maybe even Amazon sealed it themselves, and just wrote 'factory sealed'. HTH.

Thanks... although I already tried to say that. It didn't help.
To me 'brand new' means a product from the retailer themselves, directly from the supplier. No customer returns. That is why things like Dell Outlet exist, they don't sell their customer returns on their normal Dell website, as it's not 'brand new'. Regardless of whether they are returned back 'factory sealed' or not.
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BuzzDuraband
Do Amazon have a factory? ;)

You are not the first to misunderstand how easy it is to re-seal an item after it has been opened from new.

[ http://www.ebay.co.uk/gds/The-Difference-between-Factory-Sealed-Re-Sealed-DVDs-/10000000000815663/g.html ]

[ https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006050125032 ]
[helper][HUKD Deal Editor] 1 Like #19
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I think that may be your issue; you believe everybody should consider the "Deal" hot because you do.

fp please don't extend the content of this question. was deal temperature my question? Did i mention that once in the OP?

Please read the OP fully.
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Transformers
To me 'brand new' means a product from the retailer themselves, directly from the supplier. No customer returns. That is why things like Dell Outlet exist, they don't sell their customer returns on their normal Dell website, as it's not 'brand new'. Regardless of whether they are returned back 'factory sealed' or not.

Yes. I agree. Direct from the supplier or from the manufacturer's "factory". Untouched by any consumer or other individual, other than the person that originally packaged the item ready for transport to the next location in the supply chain.
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BuzzDuraband
fp please don't extend the content of this question. was deal temperature my question? Did i mention that once in the OP?

Please read the OP fully.

I am giving you advice as asked.
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BuzzDuraband
Transformers
It may be 'factory sealed' as you say, but I would not class it as 'brand new' if it's a customer return. Maybe even Amazon sealed it themselves, and just wrote 'factory sealed'. HTH.

Do Amazon have a factory? ;)

Factory Sealed.
Manufacturer Refurbished.
Seller Refurbished.
Like New.
Used - Very Good.
Used - Good.
Used - Acceptable.
Technically they do (they make some of their own products), anyway Amazon are not exactly going to write 'Amazon Sealed' are they? ;):D
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BuzzDuraband
Transformers
It may be 'factory sealed' as you say, but I would not class it as 'brand new' if it's a customer return. Maybe even Amazon sealed it themselves, and just wrote 'factory sealed'. HTH.

Do Amazon have a factory? ;)

Factory Sealed.
Manufacturer Refurbished.
Seller Refurbished.
Like New.
Used - Very Good.
Used - Good.
Used - Acceptable.
Technically they do (they make some of their own products), anyway Amazon are not exactly going to write 'Amazon Sealed' are they? ;):D

Which is why it was listed as 'Like - New' factory sealed, not new as the item is, so because this item made a journey to a customer who returned it to Amazon, it is no longer new?
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Transformers
It may be 'factory sealed' as you say, but I would not class it as 'brand new' if it's a customer return. Maybe even Amazon sealed it themselves, and just wrote 'factory sealed'. HTH.

Do Amazon have a factory? ;)

Factory Sealed.
Manufacturer Refurbished.
Seller Refurbished.
Like New.
Used - Very Good.
Used - Good.
Used - Acceptable.
Technically they do (they make some of their own products), anyway Amazon are not exactly going to write 'Amazon Sealed' are they? ;):D

Which is why it was listed as 'Like - New' factory sealed, not new as the item is, so because this item made a journey to a customer who returned it to Amazon, it is no longer new?
1. There is no definitive proof that it was a customer return. It's likely, but you can't prove it.
2. Maybe you could class it as 'new', but not 'brand new'. That's just my opinion.
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It may be 'factory sealed' as you say, but I would not class it as 'brand new' if it's a customer return. Maybe even Amazon sealed it themselves, and just wrote 'factory sealed'. HTH.

Do Amazon have a factory? ;)

Factory Sealed.
Manufacturer Refurbished.
Seller Refurbished.
Like New.
Used - Very Good.
Used - Good.
Used - Acceptable.
Technically they do (they make some of their own products), anyway Amazon are not exactly going to write 'Amazon Sealed' are they? ;):D

Which is why it was listed as 'Like - New' factory sealed, not new as the item is, so because this item made a journey to a customer who returned it to Amazon, it is no longer new?
1. There is no definitive proof that it was a customer return. It's likely, but you can't prove it.
2. Maybe you could class it as 'new', but not 'brand new'. That's just my opinion.

It's irrelevant wether it was a customer return or not, The fact is this item was a factory sealed PS4, the same you would get from any retailer that was (as you put it) 'brand new'.

So your logic is that because the item has exchanged hands more times than you would like it to its not longer 'brand new'.

Madness.
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BuzzDuraband
Which is why it was listed as 'Like - New' factory sealed, not new as the item is, so because this item made a journey to a customer who returned it to Amazon, it is no longer new?

"Like - New" is not "New".

Obviously not providing all the pertinent information in the original "Deal" thread, this thread, or being able to view it now is putting some of us at a disadvantage.

If an item is ordered, & despatched, then received by a consumer that does not open the product packing but returns it & the item goes back on sale with a description of "Like New", then I would not be interested in buying it.

Perhaps others feel the same.
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BuzzDuraband
...So your logic is that because the item has exchanged hands more times than you would like it to its not longer 'brand new'.

Madness.

To you... but not to others.

With the exception of motor vehicles & properties, if a pre-owned item has changed hands more than once, then I don't buy it as "used" either.
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BuzzDuraband
Which is why it was listed as 'Like - New' factory sealed, not new as the item is, so because this item made a journey to a customer who returned it to Amazon, it is no longer new?

"Like - New" is not "New".

Obviously not providing all the pertinent information in the original "Deal" thread, this thread, or being able to view it now is putting some of us at a disadvantage.

If an item is ordered, & despatched, then received by a consumer that does not open the product packing but returns it & the item goes back on sale with a description of "Like New", then I would not be interested in buying it.

Perhaps others feel the same.

You are missing the point, or maybe you actually are not and agree with the fact that a comment stating 'I got a new one £10 more is relevant' on a deal for a new console.

Edited By: BuzzDuraband on Dec 20, 2014 14:13
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It may be 'factory sealed' as you say, but I would not class it as 'brand new' if it's a customer return. Maybe even Amazon sealed it themselves, and just wrote 'factory sealed'. HTH.

Do Amazon have a factory? ;)

Factory Sealed.
Manufacturer Refurbished.
Seller Refurbished.
Like New.
Used - Very Good.
Used - Good.
Used - Acceptable.
Technically they do (they make some of their own products), anyway Amazon are not exactly going to write 'Amazon Sealed' are they? ;):D

Which is why it was listed as 'Like - New' factory sealed, not new as the item is, so because this item made a journey to a customer who returned it to Amazon, it is no longer new?
1. There is no definitive proof that it was a customer return. It's likely, but you can't prove it.
2. Maybe you could class it as 'new', but not 'brand new'. That's just my opinion.

It's irrelevant wether it was a customer return or not, The fact is this item was a factory sealed PS4, the same you would get from any retailer that was (as you put it) 'brand new'.

So your logic is that because the item has exchanged hands more times than you would like it to its not longer 'brand new'.

Madness.
What is 'madness' is that you still can't see you're wrong, despite me and fp telling you.

You cannot prove it was a customer return, and that Amazon didn't open it and reseal it.
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BuzzDuraband
You are missing the point, or maybe you actually are not and agree with the fact that a comment stating 'I got a new one £10 more is relevant' on a deal for a new console.

I must be missing your point because I did not see the original description. However, I don't think my stance would change if I had.

Yes, I would pay £10 for a console that had not been transported twice to/from a prospective customer.

£10 is a small price to pay for peace of mind that either of those two journeys did not damage the components so the life of the product is less than it should be if sold to me directly without any other consumer handling it.

Yes, I know it is still covered by the same warranty, & the retailer would exchange as if it were "brand new", but that seems to be the difference between us; you are happy to buy an item "Like New" whereas I am not.

Hence, I would vote "cold" & agree with some of the comments posted in the "Deal" thread.
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Transformers
What is 'madness' is that you still can't see you're wrong, despite me and fp telling you.

Not "wrong"... but not able to appreciate a different point of view.

Transformers
You cannot prove it was a customer return, and that Amazon didn't open it and reseal it.

Equally, you cannot prove the contrary position, but we have to go with the balance of probability... or ask the retailer for a written assurance.
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BuzzDuraband
You are missing the point, or maybe you actually are not and agree with the fact that a comment stating 'I got a new one £10 more is relevant' on a deal for a new console.

I must be missing your point because I did not see the original description. However, I don't think my stance would change if I had.

Yes, I would pay £10 for a console that had not been transported twice to/from a prospective customer.

£10 is a small price to pay for peace of mind that either of those two journeys did not damage the components so the life of the product is less than it should be if sold to me directly without any other consumer handling it.

Yes, I know it is still covered by the same warranty, & the retailer would exchange as if it were "brand new", but that seems to be the difference between us; you are happy to buy an item "Like New" whereas I am not.

Hence, I would vote "cold" & agree with some of the comments posted in the "Deal" thread.

I will point out that £10 was the statement fp, It currently sits at £299 for the console, and I think I am quite savvy with console deals and I have never seen the PS4 at the £275 price point.
[helper][HUKD Deal Editor]#33
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Transformers
What is 'madness' is that you still can't see you're wrong, despite me and fp telling you.

Not "wrong"... but not able to appreciate a different point of view.

Transformers
You cannot prove it was a customer return, and that Amazon didn't open it and reseal it.

Equally, you cannot prove the contrary position, but we have to go with the balance of probability... or ask the retailer for a written assurance.

Please notice the difference here......

http://s28.postimg.org/awhv51m6l/Screen_Shot_2014_12_20_at_14_21_54.png

That is for a PS4 console with Shadowfall.


Edited By: BuzzDuraband on Dec 20, 2014 14:25
[helper][HUKD Deal Editor]#34
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It may be 'factory sealed' as you say, but I would not class it as 'brand new' if it's a customer return. Maybe even Amazon sealed it themselves, and just wrote 'factory sealed'. HTH.

Do Amazon have a factory? ;)

Factory Sealed.
Manufacturer Refurbished.
Seller Refurbished.
Like New.
Used - Very Good.
Used - Good.
Used - Acceptable.
Technically they do (they make some of their own products), anyway Amazon are not exactly going to write 'Amazon Sealed' are they? ;):D

Which is why it was listed as 'Like - New' factory sealed, not new as the item is, so because this item made a journey to a customer who returned it to Amazon, it is no longer new?
1. There is no definitive proof that it was a customer return. It's likely, but you can't prove it.
2. Maybe you could class it as 'new', but not 'brand new'. That's just my opinion.

It's irrelevant wether it was a customer return or not, The fact is this item was a factory sealed PS4, the same you would get from any retailer that was (as you put it) 'brand new'.

So your logic is that because the item has exchanged hands more times than you would like it to its not longer 'brand new'.

Madness.
What is 'madness' is that you still can't see you're wrong, despite me and fp telling you.

You cannot prove it was a customer return, and that Amazon didn't open it and reseal it.

Are you just throwing words at me now?

Please see the image above.
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BuzzDuraband
Please notice the difference here......

http://s28.postimg.org/awhv51m6l/Screen_Shot_2014_12_20_at_14_21_54.png

That is for a PS4 console with Shadowfall.

OK.

The second is more than £100 greater than your "Deal" item (& still too expensive even if "Brand New").
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BuzzDuraband
Please notice the difference here......

http://s28.postimg.org/awhv51m6l/Screen_Shot_2014_12_20_at_14_21_54.png

That is for a PS4 console with Shadowfall.

OK.

The second is more than £100 greater than your "Deal" item (& still too expensive even if "Brand New").

Its the gamer pack, comes with two controllers and camera.
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BuzzDuraband
Its the gamer pack, comes with two controllers and camera.

Obviously.

You have not learned your lesson about disclosing all the relevant information then? :)
[helper][HUKD Deal Editor]#38
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BuzzDuraband
Its the gamer pack, comes with two controllers and camera.

Obviously.

You have not learned your lesson about disclosing all the relevant information then? :)

;)

The content was irrelevant fp, I was directing you to the description.
[helper][HUKD Deal Editor]#39
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BuzzDuraband
Its the gamer pack, comes with two controllers and camera.

Obviously.

You have not learned your lesson about disclosing all the relevant information then? :)

But my point is that going by Transformers way of thinking, Amazon mark resealed products as 'resealed used - very good' and just for the hell of it also mark resealed products as 'factory sealed'.
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BuzzDuraband
The content was irrelevant fp, I was directing you to the description.

A link & the image would have been better; as you have seen, providing just one is no guarantee the information will stay the same.

[ http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B00D781S9E/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used&qid=1419085778&sr=8-1 ]

Is this better advice?

If not, why are you introducing something irrelevant (after you asked me not to do so).

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