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Why Black lives matter. Black lives matter. They matter because they are children, brothers, sisters, mothers, and fathers. They matter because the injustices they face steal from all of us —… Read More
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Why Black lives matter.

Black lives matter.

They matter because they are children, brothers, sisters, mothers, and fathers.

They matter because the injustices they face steal from all of us — white people and people of color alike. They steal our very humanity.

Systemic and institutionalized racism are the defining civil rights and social justice issues of our time. We’ve come to understand that to be silent about the violence and threats to the lives and well-being of Black people is to be complicit in that violence and those threats.



We ask you to join us in not being complicit.

There is good news: the first step in overcoming systemic racism and injustice is to simply understand and admit that there is a problem. It’s trying to understand the perspective of others whose experiences are different from our own. To not just listen, but to truly understand those whose struggle for justice is real, and not yet complete.

Rev. Dr. William J. Barber, II, President of the North Carolina NAACP, said it best when reacting to the recent police shooting in Charlotte, NC. He said, “Our objective is simple: to ensure justice-loving people act toward justice, with all evidence, and that we stand together and act from a place of power and love, rather than out of fear and anger.”

It’s been hard to watch the list of unarmed Black Americans killed by law enforcement officers grow longer and longer. We understand that numerous Black Americans and white Americans have profoundly different experiences and outcomes with law enforcement and the criminal justice system. That’s why it’s become clear to us at Ben & Jerry’s that we have a moral obligation to take a stand now for justice and for Black lives.

We want to be clear: we believe that saying Black lives matter is not to say that the lives of those who serve in the law enforcement community don’t. We respect and value the commitment to our communities that those in law enforcement make, and we respect the value of every one of their lives.

But we do believe that — whether Black, brown, white, or blue — our nation and our very way of life is dependent on the principle of all people being served equal justice under the law. And it’s clear, the effects of the criminal justice system are not color blind.

We do not place the blame for this on individual officers. Rather, we believe it is due to the systemic racism built into the fabric of our institutions at every level, disadvantaging and discriminating against people of color in ways that go beyond individual intent to discriminate. For this reason, we are not pointing fingers at individuals; we are instead urging us to come together to better our society and institutions so that we may finally fulfill the founding promise of this country: to be a country with dignity and justice for all.

All lives do matter. But all lives will not matter until Black lives matter.

We ask people to be open to understanding these issues, and not to reflexively retreat to our current beliefs. Change happens when people are willing to listen and hear the struggles of their neighbor, putting aside preconceived notions and truly seeking to understand and grow. We’ll be working hard on that, and ask you to as well.

- Your friends at Ben & Jerry’s
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I found this comment very odd:

"All lives do matter. But all lives will not matter until Black lives matter."

It's like saying, 'no other lives matter, until black lives matter'. While I realise it probably wasn't the intention of the company to say that, but that's how it reads to me.
Unfortunately the race issue will be a problem in the US for many generations to come. Place any race above or below others suggests that all lives don't matter. It's only when all lives matter that black lives will matter, otherwise it will, to use an Orwellian phrase, all men are equal, but some men are more equal than others.
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Oh dear.

ALL lives matter.

All that these silly campaigns do is to make matters worse by a process of self segregation.

They say hey look at me I'm different and promote their own diversity, which only increases the chances of conflict.

The irony is that they are actually racist.

Then we have the idiotic statements such as 'Systemic and institutionalized racism', tarring all with one brush without evidence to support such wide sweeping statements.

The greatest problem facing prejudice of all kinds right now is the self segregation of groups, that actively seek to exclude themselves from a more integrated society.

We hear about these 'communities'. The black community, the muslim community, the LGBT community.

They don't actually exists, cannot be found on any map and seek to place all people of a 'type' into their little communities.

Prejudice is something that has been inherent in humans since day 1 of our existence and often comes from fear of something that is different from what societies, over millennia attempt to define as the norm. Religion and the cultures derived from abhorrent religious practices has a large part to play in the problems, although not exclusive to religious beliefs.

The process of change and reducing prejudices in human societies is always a painful one that does take time to redress and we are going through some of these changes right now.

But the greatest barrier of all right now is all too often heightened by the very people that claim to be discriminated against because of their self segregation promotion, that is delaying themselves being part of a more integrated society.

But it is also the very discussion that is being avoided by Governments, Media and the general public.

Until it is addressed then the current vicious cycle will go round and round with any form of solution being way off into the distant future.

Mankind never, ever learns it's lessons.
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some major hypocrisy there.
you're advocating equality through your comments, but effectively discriminating against Scots (and possibly Irish people) via your username.
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DO people really want to cast aspersions on why people are the way they are? Would it be fair to say that people who espouse misogynistic or xenophobic views come from areas of economic deprivation or have unfulfilling jobs?
Of course not. That would be wrong.

Thats never stopped you before.

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I found this comment very odd:

"All lives do matter. But all lives will not matter until Black lives matter."

It's like saying, 'no other lives matter, until black lives matter'. While I realise it probably wasn't the intention of the company to say that, but that's how it reads to me.
Unfortunately the race issue will be a problem in the US for many generations to come. Place any race above or below others suggests that all lives don't matter. It's only when all lives matter that black lives will matter, otherwise it will, to use an Orwellian phrase, all men are equal, but some men are more equal than others.
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What I think they're trying to say there is that it's fine to respond with 'All Lives Matter', but for that to be true then black lives need to matter as well and that doesn't seem to be the case at the moment. They don't point the finger at individuals but at institutional racism which is a reasoned position to take.

I agree though that it won't happen overnight but at least fair-minded people are now discussing it. Of course some will never even countenance the validity of the debate but that's hopefully a generational thing.
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Surely it's a case of everybody supporting black lives unless they say otherwise? Anyway, all lives should matter, and the sooner we stop throwing colours and labels all over the place, the sooner we can truly move past racism.
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Quietus
Surely it's a case of everybody supporting black lives unless they say otherwise? Anyway, all lives should matter, and the sooner we stop throwing colours and labels all over the place, the sooner we can truly move past racism.

The only way you can 'solve' racism is by accepting it exists and to do that you have to talk about different races and different colours. I can understand the reluctance to examine society's flaws but ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away unfortunately.
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Racism sucks, give racism the middle finger, it's 2016 ffs, Almost all lives matter.!.
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This is an issue in North America, and at that certain states in North America, we do not see it in this country (black lives matter) or even in European countries, as such why do we feel we have to get involved?

Racism is a terrible thing, whatever the colour of the victim or the perpetrator but I disagree that unless we specifically state that 'BLACK' Lives Matter we are somehow being complicit. so do Asians not face racism, do the Jewish, do white people not face racism? as such those whom explicitly state you must use the word Black in that sentence are they not complicit in the racism of other colours?

Also why do we care what Ben & Jerrys think about it? Im more interested in people with political connections and government agendas think than some ice cream makers.


Edited By: haritori on Oct 07, 2016 11:03
#8
You have struck the point, "political correctness", equality messages with inequality outcomes everywhere, people are tired of it (this disingenuous talk and its vision statements have worn people out) as they want specificity and target audience for specific (social) goods and services.
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If any coloured lives matter, meat or veggie eaters live matter, Aleppo children matters, poverty matters...let them get on with their promotion and awareness campaigns.
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Black lives matter the new KKK. Who needs grand master wizards when BLM have the messiah as the spiritual leader.

http://www.apa.az/upload/images/news/2016/june/09/big/9dcf6e82a206248aa374ca84458ecd4f.jpg

Edited By: burningmoney77 on Oct 07, 2016 11:20
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burningmoney77
Black lives matter the new KKK.

Come on, this is some alt-right baloney. BLM is a reaction to black people being oppressed by institutions - the KKK was about oppressing (and murdering) people based on the colour of their skin.

I think this is a fundamental misrepresentation of both of those movements.
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Usual garbage designed to stir up social division to suit political agendas.
People should focus on real problems rather than trying to instill a fallacy that isn't true.
Do black lives matter to black people?
All lives matter!
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john184
Usual garbage designed to stir up social division to suit political agendas.
People should focus on real problems rather than trying to instill a fallacy that isn't true.Do black lives matter to black people?
All lives matter!
"Every journey matters", "Every Child Matters"... they are all meaningless PR guru straplines when at the grassroots one experience is 180 degrees from the strapline. There are some which are meaningful such as "never knowingly undersold" and others.

Edited By: splender on Oct 07, 2016 11:37
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Black people statistically get killed by the cops more often because they are statistically involved in altercations with the police more often, because they statistically commit more crimes.

If you want less black deaths at the hands of the police, you need better education and early years nutrition for black youngsters, more robust policing of black neighbourhoods, and above all you need to stop the reluctance of law-abiding black people to 'snitch' on criminals in their communities. BLM perpetuates the divide.
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john184

All lives matter!

Which is exactly what is addressed in that statement.

We ask people to be open to understanding these issues, and not to reflexively retreat to our current beliefs. Change happens when people are willing to listen and hear the struggles of their neighbor, putting aside preconceived notions and truly seeking to understand and grow.

Of course I'm aware of the way this site can skew but I think it's encouraging to see private businesses enter the wider discourse and bring people into the debate who would be turned off by politicians.

Dismissing any issue is hopefully something we're moving away from - again, maybe it's a generational thing.
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Black lives matter the new KKK.
Come on, this is some alt-right baloney. BLM is a reaction to black people being oppressed by institutions - the KKK was about oppressing (and murdering) people based on the colour of their skin.
I think this is a fundamental misrepresentation of both of those movements.

BLM is being orchestrated for political reasons. I will boycott B&J.
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Rubisco
Black people statistically get killed by the cops more often because they are statistically involved in altercations with the police more often, because they statistically commit more crimes.

If you want less black deaths at the hands of the police, you need better education and early years nutrition for black youngsters, more robust policing of black neighbourhoods, and above all you need to stop the reluctance of law-abiding black people to 'snitch' on criminals in their communities. BLM perpetuates the divide.

Thought we might touch on phrenology or something there, but at least you're making an attempt to go beyond the superficial statistics and ask 'why?' rather than being happy to simply let things continue.

That's the whole point of BLM - to not just accept that things are the way they are but to ask why they are the way they are. Self-examination is a good thing not just in the shower, but also for society as a whole.
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burningmoney77
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Black lives matter the new KKK.
Come on, this is some alt-right baloney. BLM is a reaction to black people being oppressed by institutions - the KKK was about oppressing (and murdering) people based on the colour of their skin.
I think this is a fundamental misrepresentation of both of those movements.
BLM is being orchestrated for political reasons. I will boycott B&J.

If you want to draw a distinction between society and politics then that's up to you to disentangle the two but most people recognise the inexorably linked.

Good on you for being motivated enough to boycott Ben and Jerry's though. X)
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burningmoney77
Black lives matter the new KKK.
Come on, this is some alt-right baloney. BLM is a reaction to black people being oppressed by institutions - the KKK was about oppressing (and murdering) people based on the colour of their skin.
I think this is a fundamental misrepresentation of both of those movements.
BLM is being orchestrated for political reasons. I will boycott B&J.
If you want to draw a distinction between society and politics then that's up to you to disentangle the two but most people recognise the inexorably linked.
Good on you for being motivated enough to boycott Ben and Jerry's though. X)

I am running on empty right now so i will leave u with a video from a "alt-right deplorable" Your text here
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burningmoney77
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burningmoney77
Black lives matter the new KKK.
Come on, this is some alt-right baloney. BLM is a reaction to black people being oppressed by institutions - the KKK was about oppressing (and murdering) people based on the colour of their skin.
I think this is a fundamental misrepresentation of both of those movements.
BLM is being orchestrated for political reasons. I will boycott B&J.
If you want to draw a distinction between society and politics then that's up to you to disentangle the two but most people recognise the inexorably linked.
Good on you for being motivated enough to boycott Ben and Jerry's though. X)
I am running on empty right now so i will leave u with a video from a "alt-right deplorable" Your text here

Thought it might be someone like that or Alex Jones.

#freemilo X)

That new Ghostbusters film is half-decent isn't it. Kick back and watch it with some Phish Food. X)
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some major hypocrisy there.
you're advocating equality through your comments, but effectively discriminating against Scots (and possibly Irish people) via your username.
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Rubisco
Black people statistically get killed by the cops more often because they are statistically involved in altercations with the police more often, because they statistically commit more crimes.
If you want less black deaths at the hands of the police, you need better education and early years nutrition for black youngsters, more robust policing of black neighbourhoods, and above all you need to stop the reluctance of law-abiding black people to 'snitch' on criminals in their communities. BLM perpetuates the divide.
but if black people are getting stop and searched for example significantly more, because they are black, that will feed into the statistics to show somehow they are involved more in altercations whereas its he policy of stop and search which is biased against them.

going on from that, if black people are stop and searched more for no reason but that they are black thus 'up to no good' then that will create a reaction which will lead to a altercation which will be in the stats.

and this idea that black people should snitch on other black people in their communities, why is it assumed that everyone from these ethinic communities know what the hell is going with everyone from these communities. they are not one homogenous group. The law abiding folk just want to get on with their lives.
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thegroutch
some major hypocrisy there.
you're advocating equality through your comments, but effectively discriminating against Scots (and possibly Irish people) via your username.

The username is because of the EU referendum result. HEAWD was upset and believed that Scotland and NI would push for and gain independence. He/she then made that username and then came on this site to tell us all off because not everybody voted the way he/she wanted them to.

It was an epic real tears moment.

Edited By: RossD89 on Oct 07, 2016 11:58
#23
Perhaps B&J's could provide some guidance on US gun control.
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RossD89
thegroutch
some major hypocrisy there.
you're advocating equality through your comments, but effectively discriminating against Scots (and possibly Irish people) via your username.
The username is because of the EU referendum result. HEAWD was upset and believed that Scotland and NI would push for and gain independence. He/she then made that username and then came on this site to tell us all off because not everybody voted the way he/she wanted them to.
It was an epic real tears moment.

Not quite the way I'd put it. More a case of future-proofing my username. X)

(Actually I think just Scotland will gain independence - N.Ireland I simply disregarded partly on the grounds that the username would be too long, and partly because I don't really care about N.Ireland).
#25
shipsboatswain
Perhaps B&J's could provide some guidance on US gun control.

They do. The NRA went so far as to 'name and shame' them.

Ben and Jerry are pretty cool dudes.
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thegroutch
some major hypocrisy there.
you're advocating equality through your comments, but effectively discriminating against Scots (and possibly Irish people) via your username.
The username is because of the EU referendum result. HEAWD was upset and believed that Scotland and NI would push for and gain independence. He/she then made that username and then came on this site to tell us all off because not everybody voted the way he/she wanted them to.
It was an epic real tears moment.
N.Ireland I simply disregarded partly on the grounds that the username would be too long, and partly because I don't really care about N.Ireland).


Disgusting. :( #NorthernIrishLivesMatter
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Problem is that many people in BlackLivesMatter are racist against white people and willing to commit random violence, hence the riots and murders of white people in retaliation for the sporadic deaths of black (mostly criminal) people.
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Ben and Jerry are pretty cool dudes.

Is that because they're ice cream manufacturers?
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I can understand the reluctance to examine society's flaws but ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away unfortunately.
I'm not suggesting for a second that we should ignore it. I'm saying that we should stop emphasising it. Once we stop trying to label everybody, and refer to all of us a fellow humans, we remove the differentiation between one person and another, which leaves no option for racism. Having constant news articles labelling people as one thing or another only serves to drive the wedge. If a person is killed unlawfully, it should be condemned, and criminal prosecution should take place, but the labels serve no purpose, and certainly don't help anything.
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I can understand the reluctance to examine society's flaws but ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away unfortunately.
I'm not suggesting for a second that we should ignore it. I'm saying that we should stop emphasising it. Once we stop trying to label everybody, and refer to all of us a fellow humans, we remove the differentiation between one person and another, which leaves no option for racism. Having constant news articles labelling people as one thing or another only serves to drive the wedge. If a person is killed unlawfully, it should be condemned, and criminal prosecution should take place, but the labels serve no purpose, and certainly don't help anything.

I think that's a lovely thought, that if we stop labelling people then our differences will evaporate, but I don't think that's feasible unfortunately. Labels have existed since language has and to think we'll move away from them, and their effects, is dangerously naive.

What I think is better is for there to be some honesty, to recognise the realities of society and then to formulate ways to fix that. I commend you for your optimism but at some point reality has to take over.
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To advocate the worth (or not) of people based on the colour of their skin ignores individual contribution and results in more

divided society (based on colour), in essence its apartheid-like.
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I think that's a lovely thought, that if we stop labelling people then our differences will evaporate, but I don't think that's feasible unfortunately.
Neither do I, but that doesn't stop it being true. You make it sound like I expect / hope they'd disappear overnight in a puff of smoke.:)

I think humans are petty, self-destructive, and too obsessed with material wealth, and it's unlikely that we'll ever achieve a utopian society or evolve any further. [/bigthinking]X)
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Rubisco
Black people statistically get killed by the cops more often because they are statistically involved in altercations with the police more often, because they statistically commit more crimes.

If you want less black deaths at the hands of the police, you need better education and early years nutrition for black youngsters, more robust policing of black neighbourhoods, and above all you need to stop the reluctance of law-abiding black people to 'snitch' on criminals in their communities. BLM perpetuates the divide.


or less trigger happy cops who assume all black people are potentially evil?
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Oh dear.

ALL lives matter.

All that these silly campaigns do is to make matters worse by a process of self segregation.

They say hey look at me I'm different and promote their own diversity, which only increases the chances of conflict.

The irony is that they are actually racist.

Then we have the idiotic statements such as 'Systemic and institutionalized racism', tarring all with one brush without evidence to support such wide sweeping statements.

The greatest problem facing prejudice of all kinds right now is the self segregation of groups, that actively seek to exclude themselves from a more integrated society.

We hear about these 'communities'. The black community, the muslim community, the LGBT community.

They don't actually exists, cannot be found on any map and seek to place all people of a 'type' into their little communities.

Prejudice is something that has been inherent in humans since day 1 of our existence and often comes from fear of something that is different from what societies, over millennia attempt to define as the norm. Religion and the cultures derived from abhorrent religious practices has a large part to play in the problems, although not exclusive to religious beliefs.

The process of change and reducing prejudices in human societies is always a painful one that does take time to redress and we are going through some of these changes right now.

But the greatest barrier of all right now is all too often heightened by the very people that claim to be discriminated against because of their self segregation promotion, that is delaying themselves being part of a more integrated society.

But it is also the very discussion that is being avoided by Governments, Media and the general public.

Until it is addressed then the current vicious cycle will go round and round with any form of solution being way off into the distant future.

Mankind never, ever learns it's lessons.
#36
This notion that communities bound by race, religion or sexual orientation don't exist is quite ridiculous. Are we actually saying that groups who share one of these 'labels' don't have a shared experience of life, face similar prejudices and can't band together to fight for greater freedoms? Of course not. So to say that they don't exist because they aren't on a map is fallacious at best.

It's that common experience that is driving the BLM movement, and it isn't simply black people who are part of it. Ben and Jerry aren't black, but they can look beyond racial boundaries and empathise with the experience of a group that they aren't part of. The same thing happened in the 1950s and 60s when people of all colours supported the likes of Martin Luther King to fight the oppression faced by blacks in America.

And there were absolutely people who said that the movement was racist or unnecessary.

reddit

Mankind never, ever learns it's lessons.

Exactly. You'll always get people willing to be on the wrong side of history and be absolutely certain that they're right.
#37
Human beings have been mistreating other human beings almost from day one, not necessarily because of skin colour, nationality, religion, theft, power etc etc. but for almost any reason and perhaps none - other than they can.

It's just the way human beings are - we all tend to mistreat each other one way or another.


If we really want to make things better we have to stop kidding ourselves that we don't have this tendency - it's in us, and if we don't acknowledge it there is no way we can ever hope to control it.
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tryn2help
Human beings have been mistreating other human beings almost from day one, not necessarily because of skin colour, nationality, religion, theft, power etc etc. but for almost any reason and perhaps none - other than they can.
It's just the way human beings are - we all tend to mistreat each other one way or another.
If we really want to make things better we have to stop kidding ourselves that we don't have this tendency - it's in us, and if we don't acknowledge it there is no way we can ever hope to control it.

Ah nihilism. Reminds me of sixth form and sausage rolls in the common room. X)

Humans are rubbish so why bother fixing it? Is that the idea? That's been one of the lazier defences of not advancing society throughout the years.

How about this idea - humanity is actually getting better, we've stopped enslaving people in the western world (mostly), we've recognised that women have the brain capacity to vote just as poorly as men and we even gave black people the vote.

Once you recognise that humans actually do have the capability to improve and most of us actually show a willingness to on a daily basis, then these issues don't seem so helpless.

People just need to have ambition and honesty about themselves.
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Human beings have been mistreating other human beings almost from day one, not necessarily because of skin colour, nationality, religion, theft, power etc etc. but for almost any reason and perhaps none - other than they can.
It's just the way human beings are - we all tend to mistreat each other one way or another.
If we really want to make things better we have to stop kidding ourselves that we don't have this tendency - it's in us, and if we don't acknowledge it there is no way we can ever hope to control it.
Ah nihilism. Reminds me of sixth form and sausage rolls in the common room. X)
Humans are rubbish so why bother fixing it? Is that the idea? That's been one of the lazier defences of not advancing society throughout the years.
How about this idea - humanity is actually getting better, we've stopped enslaving people in the western world (mostly), we've recognised that women have the brain capacity to vote just as poorly as men and we even gave black people the vote.
Once you recognise that humans actually do have the capability to improve and most of us actually show a willingness to on a daily basis, then these issues don't seem so helpless.
People just need to have ambition and honesty about themselves.

It's not a defence, it is a reality and history has thousands of examples to show us that we don't really learn.

Humanity has improved in a few, very slow ways but there are still so many things wrong with the world that are consistent with historical changes.

'we've stopped enslaving people in the western world'

Really?

That depends on your view of enslaving. How about the divide between rich and poor being ever greater with people working longer hours for lower pay. That is a form of business enslavement that they are quite happy to take advantage of because money rules.

And what about the rest of the world?

Look at all the prejudice, conflict, control, war, famine, disease and death that still exists in so many places.

Humans have capabilities but they are all too often aimed at self satisfaction and greed.

We just lack the real will and desire for an even playing field because it means giving up something that gives advantage over others and as long as the others are out of sight, then they will be ignored, as is the case right around the globe today and as has always been.

Being idealistic is great but reality always gets in the way and the only thing that will change that is when mankind is on the brink of destruction, where change can be made until things get better and the whole vicious circle process begins again.

When we have the next World War, then this is only when we may actually learn something for a short period.

I pity the young people of today because they are in for a future fraught with horror.

The more segregation that we have then the building blocks of conflict will continue to build the house that will be blown down.
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Human beings have been mistreating other human beings almost from day one, not necessarily because of skin colour, nationality, religion, theft, power etc etc. but for almost any reason and perhaps none - other than they can.
It's just the way human beings are - we all tend to mistreat each other one way or another.
If we really want to make things better we have to stop kidding ourselves that we don't have this tendency - it's in us, and if we don't acknowledge it there is no way we can ever hope to control it.
Ah nihilism. Reminds me of sixth form and sausage rolls in the common room. X)
Humans are rubbish so why bother fixing it? Is that the idea? That's been one of the lazier defences of not advancing society throughout the years.
How about this idea - humanity is actually getting better, we've stopped enslaving people in the western world (mostly), we've recognised that women have the brain capacity to vote just as poorly as men and we even gave black people the vote.
Once you recognise that humans actually do have the capability to improve and most of us actually show a willingness to on a daily basis, then these issues don't seem so helpless.
People just need to have ambition and honesty about themselves.
It's not a defence, it is a reality and history has thousands of examples to show us that we don't really learn.
Humanity has improved in a few, very slow ways but there are still so many things wrong with the world that are consistent with historical changes.
'we've stopped enslaving people in the western world'
Really?
That depends on your view of enslaving. How about the divide between rich and poor being ever greater with people working longer hours for lower pay. That is a form of business enslavement that they are quite happy to take advantage of because money rules.
And what about the rest of the world?
Look at all the prejudice, conflict, control, war, famine, disease and death that still exists in so many places.
Humans have capabilities but they are all too often aimed at self satisfaction and greed.
We just lack the real will and desire for an even playing field because it means giving up something that gives advantage over others and as long as the others are out of sight, then they will be ignored, as is the case right around the globe today and as has always been.
Being idealistic is great but reality always gets in the way and the only thing that will change that is when mankind is on the brink of destruction, where change can be made until things get better and the whole vicious circle process begins again.
When we have the next World War, then this is only when we may actually learn something for a short period.
I pity the young people of today because they are in for a future fraught with horror.
The more segregation that we have then the building blocks of conflict will continue to build the house that will be blown down.
for slavery on any grand scale best to look to the Arabs in these times.

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