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Probably not get much sympathy here - I know the general misc consensus is gambling is bad - but just had to vent. Yesterday, Betfair's cash out facility was down for the last half of the afternoon's … Read More
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2m, 2w agoPosted 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Probably not get much sympathy here - I know the general misc consensus is gambling is bad - but just had to vent.
Yesterday, Betfair's cash out facility was down for the last half of the afternoon's footie. Lost quite a bit of potential winnings as I only needed a Sunderland goal for the whole of the second half - would ordinarily have got a substantial cash out offer.
Live chat have been less then helpful. Not only no offer of compensation, but not even an apology, simply saying that cash out isn't a given.
They get a lot of trade from me, but I'll be voting with my wallet. I'd urge anyone else who was affected to submit a complaint and consider their choice of bookmaker.
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2m, 2w agoPosted 2 months, 2 weeks ago
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#1
loads of choice with bookies, they will not care at all if you leave or not. most will close your account anyway if you consistently beat them, like they say its not guaranteed cash out will be offered... it happens, betting industry is so complex and as everything is so cut throat with time due to odds changes/events these things do happen.
#2
In the past i preferred the william hill app. But now i like bet victor as their customer service is great.
#3
jackvdbuk
loads of choice with bookies, they will not care at all if you leave or not. most will close your account anyway if you consistently beat them, like they say its not guaranteed cash out will be offered... it happens, betting industry is so complex and as everything is so cut throat with time due to odds changes/events these things do happen.
I get that, but compare the CS with a recent experience on bet365.
On the £50 in-play offer, a mate of mine backed method of first goal - penalty. Came in for £600. However, he placed his bet 27 seconds after kick off - the small print says that you have to place your in-play after 45 seconds. Called CS, argued the point that this wasn't made clear and they paid out in cash.
If I wasn't already banned from bet365, I'd move there :D
#4
betfair has many clients that bet hundreds of thousands so this is why they don't much care about the ordinary punter. my husband used to gamble about £100,000 a year and he didn't even get good service from them. i think they did give him some kind of reward for being a valued customer but i can't remember what.

his friend gambled hundreds of thousands so he got special treatment. he even got a pair of first class tickets to Australia with 5 star hotel stay for two weeks as a thank you for being a big customer.
#5
fivegoldstars
jackvdbuk
loads of choice with bookies, they will not care at all if you leave or not. most will close your account anyway if you consistently beat them, like they say its not guaranteed cash out will be offered... it happens, betting industry is so complex and as everything is so cut throat with time due to odds changes/events these things do happen.
I get that, but compare the CS with a recent experience on bet365.
On the £50 in-play offer, a mate of mine backed method of first goal - penalty. Came in for £600. However, he placed his bet 27 seconds after kick off - the small print says that you have to place your in-play after 45 seconds. Called CS, argued the point that this wasn't made clear and they paid out in cash.
If I wasn't already banned from bet365, I'd move there :D


That's pretty impressive, coral I remember treated a few clients to a all expenses trip to the races... Not that impressive compare to australia haha
1 Like #6
mutley1
betfair has many clients that bet hundreds of thousands so this is why they don't much care about the ordinary punter. my husband used to gamble about £100,000 a year and he didn't even get good service from them. i think they did give him some kind of reward for being a valued customer but i can't remember what.
his friend gambled hundreds of thousands so he got special treatment. he even got a pair of first class tickets to Australia with 5 star hotel stay for two weeks as a thank you for being a big customer.
If you have got that sort of money to waste, why on earth are you on this site?
2 Likes #7
whaleshark
mutley1
betfair has many clients that bet hundreds of thousands so this is why they don't much care about the ordinary punter. my husband used to gamble about £100,000 a year and he didn't even get good service from them. i think they did give him some kind of reward for being a valued customer but i can't remember what.
his friend gambled hundreds of thousands so he got special treatment. he even got a pair of first class tickets to Australia with 5 star hotel stay for two weeks as a thank you for being a big customer.
If you have got that sort of money to waste, why on earth are you on this site?
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#8
whaleshark
mutley1
betfair has many clients that bet hundreds of thousands so this is why they don't much care about the ordinary punter. my husband used to gamble about £100,000 a year and he didn't even get good service from them. i think they did give him some kind of reward for being a valued customer but i can't remember what.
his friend gambled hundreds of thousands so he got special treatment. he even got a pair of first class tickets to Australia with 5 star hotel stay for two weeks as a thank you for being a big customer.
If you have got that sort of money to waste, why on earth are you on this site?

no idea. i ask myself the same question. :3
#9
mutley1
whaleshark
mutley1
betfair has many clients that bet hundreds of thousands so this is why they don't much care about the ordinary punter. my husband used to gamble about £100,000 a year and he didn't even get good service from them. i think they did give him some kind of reward for being a valued customer but i can't remember what.
his friend gambled hundreds of thousands so he got special treatment. he even got a pair of first class tickets to Australia with 5 star hotel stay for two weeks as a thank you for being a big customer.
If you have got that sort of money to waste, why on earth are you on this site?
no idea. i ask myself the same question. :3
Maybe you could give me a hundred grand instead of the bookies and I promise you I will be your friend for life ;)
#10
whaleshark
mutley1
whaleshark
mutley1
betfair has many clients that bet hundreds of thousands so this is why they don't much care about the ordinary punter. my husband used to gamble about £100,000 a year and he didn't even get good service from them. i think they did give him some kind of reward for being a valued customer but i can't remember what.
his friend gambled hundreds of thousands so he got special treatment. he even got a pair of first class tickets to Australia with 5 star hotel stay for two weeks as a thank you for being a big customer.
If you have got that sort of money to waste, why on earth are you on this site?
no idea. i ask myself the same question. :3
Maybe you could give me a hundred grand instead of the bookies and I promise you I will be your friend for life ;)

i actually hate gambling so my husband does the gambling with me grumbling in the back ground. i have access to his bank accounts so i could see how much money was going to betfair and very little coming back!
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mutley1
whaleshark
mutley1
whaleshark
mutley1
betfair has many clients that bet hundreds of thousands so this is why they don't much care about the ordinary punter. my husband used to gamble about £100,000 a year and he didn't even get good service from them. i think they did give him some kind of reward for being a valued customer but i can't remember what.
his friend gambled hundreds of thousands so he got special treatment. he even got a pair of first class tickets to Australia with 5 star hotel stay for two weeks as a thank you for being a big customer.
If you have got that sort of money to waste, why on earth are you on this site?
no idea. i ask myself the same question. :3
Maybe you could give me a hundred grand instead of the bookies and I promise you I will be your friend for life ;)

i actually hate gambling so my husband does the gambling with me grumbling in the back ground. i have access to his bank accounts so i could see how much money was going to betfair and very little coming back!


i call complete bull. a quick read of this persons posts doesn't indicate any sort of personal funds let alone hundreds of thousands in gambling money. the Internet does have a way of creating some real dreamers. so sad.
#12
Sunderland didn't score though, so does it matter?
#13
benrobertsno1
mutley1
whaleshark
mutley1
whaleshark
mutley1
betfair has many clients that bet hundreds of thousands so this is why they don't much care about the ordinary punter. my husband used to gamble about £100,000 a year and he didn't even get good service from them. i think they did give him some kind of reward for being a valued customer but i can't remember what.
his friend gambled hundreds of thousands so he got special treatment. he even got a pair of first class tickets to Australia with 5 star hotel stay for two weeks as a thank you for being a big customer.
If you have got that sort of money to waste, why on earth are you on this site?
no idea. i ask myself the same question. :3
Maybe you could give me a hundred grand instead of the bookies and I promise you I will be your friend for life ;)
i actually hate gambling so my husband does the gambling with me grumbling in the back ground. i have access to his bank accounts so i could see how much money was going to betfair and very little coming back!
i call complete bull. a quick read of this persons posts doesn't indicate any sort of personal funds let alone hundreds of thousands in gambling money. the Internet does have a way of creating some real dreamers. so sad.

ok. you caught me out :3
1 Like #14
I think, Cashout works as Laying the Bet.
If you are talking about Single Event, then you can just Lay your Bet and get the same Cashout winnings.
2 Likes #15
In my experience, most people unable to get a bet on were going to back a winner!
1 Like #16
Pacman786
Sunderland didn't score though, so does it matter?
I needed Sunderland to score.
2 Likes #17
raj75
I think, Cashout works as Laying the Bet.
If you are talking about Single Event, then you can just Lay your Bet and get the same Cashout winnings.
It wasn't a single event. I had an accumulator with every leg won - just needed that match to be BTTS. Yes, I could have placed a covering bet on that but 1) I was simply waiting for cash out to be available and 2) laying one leg in play would have been a lot less beneficial than collecting a cash out on an accumulator with only one leg needed.
1 Like #18
Same thing happened to me about a year ago. They said it states in terms and conditions that they arent responsible for any problems with cash out. After a long argument I told them to ram their account which they done instantly lol I now use cash out on sky

Edited By: reddevil2015 on May 14, 2017 12:38: .
#19
Not sure how you could expect compensation, for all they know you were riding your bet out.
Did you ring them up while the bet was live?
#20
reddevil2015
Same thing happened to me about a year ago. They said it states in terms and conditions that they arent responsible for any problems with cash out. After a long argument I told them to ram their account which they done instantly lol I now use cash out on sky
Sounds like the conversation I've just been through!
#21
snoopy18
Not sure how you could expect compensation, for all they know you were riding your bet out.
Did you ring them up while the bet was live?
By 'compensation', I'd have expected a goodwill gesture of a free bet, perhaps to the value of the original stake. Doesn't really cost anything and keeps customers sweet. Irrespective of their terms, there was a service failure which had a negative impact.
For an example, look at someone like Amazon - month's Prime extension if your parcel is late.

Edited By: fivegoldstars on May 14, 2017 13:24
1 Like #22
snoopy18
fivegoldstars
snoopy18
Not sure how you could expect compensation, for all they know you were riding your bet out.
Did you ring them up while the bet was live?
By 'compensation', I'd have expected a goodwill gesture of a free bet, perhaps to the value of the original stake. Doesn't really cost anything and keeps customers sweet.
For an example, look at someone like Amazon - month's Prime extension if your parcel is late.
I know your pain, I've missed out in the past when cashout has been down but I can't see how they could've given me a free bet when I would have been happy if my bet won late on and I would have received even more money .
It's how it goes, how much we talking by the way?
Did Sunderland look like scoring?
Do Sunderland ever look like scoring? :D
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mutley1
benrobertsno1
mutley1
whaleshark
mutley1
whaleshark
mutley1
betfair has many clients that bet hundreds of thousands so this is why they don't much care about the ordinary punter. my husband used to gamble about £100,000 a year and he didn't even get good service from them. i think they did give him some kind of reward for being a valued customer but i can't remember what.
his friend gambled hundreds of thousands so he got special treatment. he even got a pair of first class tickets to Australia with 5 star hotel stay for two weeks as a thank you for being a big customer.
If you have got that sort of money to waste, why on earth are you on this site?
no idea. i ask myself the same question. :3
Maybe you could give me a hundred grand instead of the bookies and I promise you I will be your friend for life ;)
i actually hate gambling so my husband does the gambling with me grumbling in the back ground. i have access to his bank accounts so i could see how much money was going to betfair and very little coming back!
i call complete bull. a quick read of this persons posts doesn't indicate any sort of personal funds let alone hundreds of thousands in gambling money. the Internet does have a way of creating some real dreamers. so sad.
ok. you caught me out :3

But it won't bother you in the slightest. It never does.
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deeky
mutley1
benrobertsno1
mutley1
whaleshark
mutley1
whaleshark
mutley1
betfair has many clients that bet hundreds of thousands so this is why they don't much care about the ordinary punter. my husband used to gamble about £100,000 a year and he didn't even get good service from them. i think they did give him some kind of reward for being a valued customer but i can't remember what.
his friend gambled hundreds of thousands so he got special treatment. he even got a pair of first class tickets to Australia with 5 star hotel stay for two weeks as a thank you for being a big customer.
If you have got that sort of money to waste, why on earth are you on this site?
no idea. i ask myself the same question. :3
Maybe you could give me a hundred grand instead of the bookies and I promise you I will be your friend for life ;)
i actually hate gambling so my husband does the gambling with me grumbling in the back ground. i have access to his bank accounts so i could see how much money was going to betfair and very little coming back!
i call complete bull. a quick read of this persons posts doesn't indicate any sort of personal funds let alone hundreds of thousands in gambling money. the Internet does have a way of creating some real dreamers. so sad.
ok. you caught me out :3
But it won't bother you in the slightest. It never does.
i bet you 100k of mutleys fortune it does X)
#25
fivegoldstars
snoopy18
Not sure how you could expect compensation, for all they know you were riding your bet out.
Did you ring them up while the bet was live?
By 'compensation', I'd have expected a goodwill gesture of a free bet, perhaps to the value of the original stake. Doesn't really cost anything and keeps customers sweet. Irrespective of their terms, there was a service failure which had a negative impact.
For an example, look at someone like Amazon - month's Prime extension if your parcel is late.
tbh its in their T&C's so just suck it up and forget about it
better yet , i remember a time when you placed a bet and that was it till the end if you are betting relying on cash out you shouldn't be betting
1 Like #26
wozukSilencer
fivegoldstars
snoopy18
Not sure how you could expect compensation, for all they know you were riding your bet out.
Did you ring them up while the bet was live?
By 'compensation', I'd have expected a goodwill gesture of a free bet, perhaps to the value of the original stake. Doesn't really cost anything and keeps customers sweet. Irrespective of their terms, there was a service failure which had a negative impact.
For an example, look at someone like Amazon - month's Prime extension if your parcel is late.
tbh its in their T&C's so just suck it up and forget about it
better yet , i remember a time when you placed a bet and that was it till the end if you are betting relying on cash out you shouldn't be betting
Can't agree with that. I make a lot more betting on things which are coming in/look like they may come in at any point over 90 mins than I ever made on final results, especially on accas.
#27
fivegoldstars
wozukSilencer
fivegoldstars
snoopy18
Not sure how you could expect compensation, for all they know you were riding your bet out.
Did you ring them up while the bet was live?
By 'compensation', I'd have expected a goodwill gesture of a free bet, perhaps to the value of the original stake. Doesn't really cost anything and keeps customers sweet. Irrespective of their terms, there was a service failure which had a negative impact.
For an example, look at someone like Amazon - month's Prime extension if your parcel is late.
tbh its in their T&C's so just suck it up and forget about it
better yet , i remember a time when you placed a bet and that was it till the end if you are betting relying on cash out you shouldn't be betting
Can't agree with that. I make a lot more betting on things which are coming in/look like they may come in at any point over 90 mins than I ever made on final results, especially on accas.
how many times you cashed out and ended up with less as the result came in anyway ?
1 Like #28
wozukSilencer
fivegoldstars
wozukSilencer
fivegoldstars
snoopy18
Not sure how you could expect compensation, for all they know you were riding your bet out.
Did you ring them up while the bet was live?
By 'compensation', I'd have expected a goodwill gesture of a free bet, perhaps to the value of the original stake. Doesn't really cost anything and keeps customers sweet. Irrespective of their terms, there was a service failure which had a negative impact.
For an example, look at someone like Amazon - month's Prime extension if your parcel is late.
tbh its in their T&C's so just suck it up and forget about it
better yet , i remember a time when you placed a bet and that was it till the end if you are betting relying on cash out you shouldn't be betting
Can't agree with that. I make a lot more betting on things which are coming in/look like they may come in at any point over 90 mins than I ever made on final results, especially on accas.
how many times you cashed out and ended up with less as the result came in anyway ?
A fair few. However, I've won a lot more cashing in positions which are either losing or go on to lose.
I don't usually cash out less than 75% of potential winnings.
1 Like #29
wozukSilencer
fivegoldstars
snoopy18
Not sure how you could expect compensation, for all they know you were riding your bet out.
Did you ring them up while the bet was live?
By 'compensation', I'd have expected a goodwill gesture of a free bet, perhaps to the value of the original stake. Doesn't really cost anything and keeps customers sweet. Irrespective of their terms, there was a service failure which had a negative impact.
For an example, look at someone like Amazon - month's Prime extension if your parcel is late.
..... i remember a time when you placed a bet and that was it till the end if you are betting relying on cash out you shouldn't be betting


The introduction of more complex betting options such as spread-betting did me a massive favour in losing interest in gambling. This, along with losing track of form when travelling in my mid-20s helped take my focus away. Enjoyed all the big highs and lows that came with heavy stakes, but glad I had lost interest by the time family, home and business came along.
1 Like #30
fivegoldstars
wozukSilencer
fivegoldstars
wozukSilencer
fivegoldstars
snoopy18
Not sure how you could expect compensation, for all they know you were riding your bet out.
Did you ring them up while the bet was live?
By 'compensation', I'd have expected a goodwill gesture of a free bet, perhaps to the value of the original stake. Doesn't really cost anything and keeps customers sweet. Irrespective of their terms, there was a service failure which had a negative impact.
For an example, look at someone like Amazon - month's Prime extension if your parcel is late.
tbh its in their T&C's so just suck it up and forget about it
better yet , i remember a time when you placed a bet and that was it till the end if you are betting relying on cash out you shouldn't be betting
Can't agree with that. I make a lot more betting on things which are coming in/look like they may come in at any point over 90 mins than I ever made on final results, especially on accas.
how many times you cashed out and ended up with less as the result came in anyway ?
A fair few. However, I've won a lot more cashing in positions which are either losing or go on to lose.
I don't usually cash out less than 75% of potential winnings.
that's my point , cash out is my eyes is useless and there to make the bookies even more money as you either win a small fraction more or lose and then comes the ' tilt ' betting which they love

just place ur bet , sit back and enjoy the ride is my motto X)
#31
fivegoldstars
Pacman786
Sunderland didn't score though, so does it matter?
I needed Sunderland to score.

That was never going to happen, Moyes is their manager, heard Stormzy saying that he "phuks **** up.

Edited By: niceroundpound on May 14, 2017 16:04: .
3 Likes #32
mutley1
betfair has many clients that bet hundreds of thousands so this is why they don't much care about the ordinary punter. my husband used to gamble about £100,000 a year and he didn't even get good service from them. i think they did give him some kind of reward for being a valued customer but i can't remember what.
his friend gambled hundreds of thousands so he got special treatment. he even got a pair of first class tickets to Australia with 5 star hotel stay for two weeks as a thank you for being a big customer.

Really? What a pleb. My ex used to run a betting company. First class tickets to Australia are what he used to give out to hopeless cases that couldn't stop. They were just so profitable and it was a good way of jollying them along. Must have been a very small account though, £100k is nothing these days.
1 Like #33
benrobertsno1
mutley1
whaleshark
mutley1
whaleshark
mutley1
betfair has many clients that bet hundreds of thousands so this is why they don't much care about the ordinary punter. my husband used to gamble about £100,000 a year and he didn't even get good service from them. i think they did give him some kind of reward for being a valued customer but i can't remember what.
his friend gambled hundreds of thousands so he got special treatment. he even got a pair of first class tickets to Australia with 5 star hotel stay for two weeks as a thank you for being a big customer.
If you have got that sort of money to waste, why on earth are you on this site?
no idea. i ask myself the same question. :3
Maybe you could give me a hundred grand instead of the bookies and I promise you I will be your friend for life ;)
i actually hate gambling so my husband does the gambling with me grumbling in the back ground. i have access to his bank accounts so i could see how much money was going to betfair and very little coming back!
i call complete bull. a quick read of this persons posts doesn't indicate any sort of personal funds let alone hundreds of thousands in gambling money. the Internet does have a way of creating some real dreamers. so sad.

He's not even a woman.
suspended#34
Ever since Paddy Power bought in to Betfair it has gone a bit strange, In my opinion it should not have been allowed for them to use huge profits to buy up large chunks of Betfair stock.
#35
I used to bet a fair bit - mugs game but addictive sadly :( Now I have shares in William Hill (other bookmakers are available ) Nice steady return :)
#36
rogparki
I used to bet a fair bit - mugs game but addictive sadly :( Now I have shares in William Hill (other bookmakers are available ) Nice steady return :)
I applied for shares in William Hill through an IPO back in about '99. In the end, they didn't float - think they were bought out be a private equity company. Do you know what they did though? Sent me a £20 free bet voucher as a goodwill gesture.
As for shares, I've lost a lot more on the stock market than I'll ever lose at the bookies.
#37
fivegoldstars
rogparki
I used to bet a fair bit - mugs game but addictive sadly :( Now I have shares in William Hill (other bookmakers are available ) Nice steady return :)
I applied for shares in William Hill through an IPO back in about '99. In the end, they didn't float - think they were bought out be a private equity company. Do you know what they did though? Sent me a £20 free bet voucher as a goodwill gesture.
As for shares, I've lost a lot more on the stock market than I'll ever lose at the bookies.
Other way with me - but I suppose its all down to how you pick your bets or your shares . At least if your share underperforms you only lose 30% (at worst) of your stake and get a 3%-6% dividend . If your bet goes down you have "squat" . My shares (apart form Pets at Home :( ) are ding nicely (and providing nice dividends ) and it is a gamble also - but each to their own
in a way

Edited By: rogparki on May 14, 2017 22:42
#38
rogparki
fivegoldstars
rogparki
I used to bet a fair bit - mugs game but addictive sadly :( Now I have shares in William Hill (other bookmakers are available ) Nice steady return :)
I applied for shares in William Hill through an IPO back in about '99. In the end, they didn't float - think they were bought out be a private equity company. Do you know what they did though? Sent me a £20 free bet voucher as a goodwill gesture.
As for shares, I've lost a lot more on the stock market than I'll ever lose at the bookies.
Other way with me - but I suppose its all down to how you pick your bets or your shares . At least if your share underperforms you only lose 30% (at worst) of your stake and get a 3% dividend . If your bet goes down you have "squat" . My shares (apart form Pets at Home :( ) are ding nicely (and providing nice dividends ) and it is a gamble also - but each to their own
in a way
Shares don't just 'underperform' - sometimes you end up with squat there too.
I lost £3k when Marconi went tits up, and another £1.5k on Telewest. I'm also nursing a 90% 'loss' on a couple of grand of Tanfield Group shares. They'll never bounce back.
Even my rock steady shares like Tesco have dipped and slashed dividends.
My betting account on the other hand pays for the family holiday each year.
Like you say, what works for one doesn't always work for another.
#39
rogparki
fivegoldstars
rogparki
I used to bet a fair bit - mugs game but addictive sadly :( Now I have shares in William Hill (other bookmakers are available ) Nice steady return :)
I applied for shares in William Hill through an IPO back in about '99. In the end, they didn't float - think they were bought out be a private equity company. Do you know what they did though? Sent me a £20 free bet voucher as a goodwill gesture.
As for shares, I've lost a lot more on the stock market than I'll ever lose at the bookies.
Other way with me - but I suppose its all down to how you pick your bets or your shares . At least if your share underperforms you only lose 30% (at worst) of your stake and get a 3%-6% dividend . If your bet goes down you have "squat" . My shares (apart form Pets at Home :( ) are ding nicely (and providing nice dividends ) and it is a gamble also - but each to their own
William Hill did float a bit later and I'm currently showing a 67% gain on the issue price and for many years have been getting a 4% dividend return , my way to beat the bookies - Invest in them oO
#40
fivegoldstars
rogparki
fivegoldstars
rogparki
I used to bet a fair bit - mugs game but addictive sadly :( Now I have shares in William Hill (other bookmakers are available ) Nice steady return :)
I applied for shares in William Hill through an IPO back in about '99. In the end, they didn't float - think they were bought out be a private equity company. Do you know what they did though? Sent me a £20 free bet voucher as a goodwill gesture.
As for shares, I've lost a lot more on the stock market than I'll ever lose at the bookies.
Other way with me - but I suppose its all down to how you pick your bets or your shares . At least if your share underperforms you only lose 30% (at worst) of your stake and get a 3% dividend . If your bet goes down you have "squat" . My shares (apart form Pets at Home :( ) are ding nicely (and providing nice dividends ) and it is a gamble also - but each to their own
in a way
Shares don't just 'underperform' - sometimes you end up with squat there too.
I lost £3k when Marconi went tits up, and another £1.5k on Telewest. I'm also nursing a 90% 'loss' on a couple of grand of Tanfield Group shares. They'll never bounce back.
Even my rock steady shares like Tesco have dipped and slashed dividends.
My betting account on the other hand pays for the family holiday each year.
Like you say, what works for one doesn't always work for another.
To be fair ,its like the folks who play the fruit machines , every time you hear the rattle of coins you think they are a winner (not accounting for the amount of tenners they have slid into the machine oO . A gambler nevr admits to what they have staked (they probably refuse to admit it ) but always tell everyone when they have a win . As I said each to their own - but gambling (if not just for fun ) is a mugs game ! For every successful gambler I'll show you 20 bankrupt gamblers - it really is that addictive :(

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