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Beware when buying orange branded phones

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9y, 5m agoPosted 9 years, 5 months ago
having bought a mobile phone from a previous orange shop promotion i wanted to warn others before buying.
i have been told this applies to all pay as you go phones on all netwroks but i can only write about my experience with orange.
if you buy a pay as you go phone and wish to use the provider who supplied it, in my case orange , then there are no problems.
however if you wish to use another provider like vodaphone you will have problems.
what you used to do was get the phone unlocked or flashed and the problem was sorted , the phone could be used on any network.
this has now changed!!!!!!
EVERY payg phone orange sell is BLACKLISTED.
which means even if you get it unlocked you wont be able to make calls with it, the phone is worthless.
the only way around this is to register the phone with a sim belonging to the provider.this will lift the bar.
now the next bit!!!!
if you flash or unlock the phone yourself or on ebay etc, you will be able to use the phone.
however orange have told me that they check these phones every 7 weeks and re-block any that havent been unlocked via orange, bear in mid orange will charge handsomely for this!
i have spent the past few days researching this and it should be considered before buying a cheap phone to use on your existing network , it may not be as cheap as you think.
hope someone finds this useful
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9y, 5m agoPosted 9 years, 5 months ago
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#1
Very interesting

Can I assume though, that if you register the PAYG sim that comes with the phone and then unlock it and use another network sim, it will be OK as it has been unlocked by Orange first ?
#2
Mmmhh.. thought blocking is only for stolen or lost phones :roll:
#3
Sorry but this doesnt sound at all true. The phone belongs to you and orange cant blacklist them because you dont want to use it on thier network. Its not legal.
#4
Um, do you mean that if I buy an Orange PAYG phone, call Orange and request / pay for the unlock code for use on any other network, the phones IMEI is then barred?
#5
georgieboy123
Very interesting

Can I assume though, that if you register the PAYG sim that comes with the phone and then unlock it and use another network sim, it will be OK as it has been unlocked by Orange first ?


yes if you unlock it with orange it will be fine, but bear in mind orange may charge £30 for this wheras you can get it done for £7 on ebay. if you do the unlock with a third party orange have stated they have the right to re-block the phone.

regarding the blacklisting for "lost or stolen" phones , this has now changed , orange blacklist all phones they sell until they are registered. they told me they do this to prevent people obtaining unregistered phones.
#6
once its unlocked its unlocked

the only way orange can do this is if you register the phone with them first

if the phone has never been registered in the first place with them then they cannot do anything! Which is why you shouldn't have registered it with them at first before unlocking it!
#7
Never seen such a waste of space posting like this before.:x
#8
You are confusing yourself a little bit here. When a phone is provisioned on an network it's IMEI becomes unique to the network. When you do some home DIY or EBAY diy to change the IMEI (that includes NOT unlocking the phone via the source service provider) you create an invalid IMEI entry on the network - and YES any TELCO can bar that IMEI.

Vodafone delivered project Vampire about 15 months ago that will look for IMEI that are either duplicate or not network originated and will then bar the IMEI. It's not done to be nasty, it's done to prevent stolen phones being re-flashed and re-used.
#9
Doesn't sound entirely accurate to me but this sort of crap is exactly why I jumped ship when France Telecom took over Orange. They went from a great company who always put their customers first to a corporate wh*re virtually overnight.
#10
Changing/rewriting IMEI numbers is serious fraud, carries a serious jail sentence.

BACK ON TOPIC, how exactly is this a hot deal????
#11
Adidas Addict
Changing/rewriting IMEI numbers is serious fraud, carries a serious jail sentence.

BACK ON TOPIC, how exactly is this a hot deal????


Sorry to be picky but it's not illegal.
#12
The V3 that I recently bought c/o info from this site, was inactive when I received it. I got an unlock code and put in my T-Mobile SIM.

It wouldn't work although it did say there was a T-Mobile signal. It would not make or receive calls.

I then called Orange to register it (with the Orange sim in) and after 24 hours the T-Mobile SIM worked well and still is.

Do you think I'm at risk ?
#13
That means effectively Orange is selling stolen phone.
#14
Inactive
Never seen such a waste of space posting like this before.:x

u ain't been on here very long then.......:whistling:
#15
I am completely new here and don't want to but in. However I have been buying phones from orange for some time now, I make them all girly, pink and sparkly and sell them on ebay and through my website.
The origional message here got me worried as i buy, get them unlocked, and sell....I don't touch them at all.
So anyway, being worried I have just checked one using a vodafone and O2 sim and they both work fine!
The phones I buy are payg so come with an orange sim, which I sell in the package as they have £10 credit on. It is then up to my customers to register the sim card if they wish to!
Hope I have been of some help!
x
#16
sicknote
Sorry to be picky but it's not illegal.


sorry it is

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/en2002/2002en31.htm
#17
all i am doing is relaying what i ahev been told by orange over the past 3 days.
it isnt posted as a hot deal it is posted as a "tip".
some of you take it a bit too seriously anyway , if the tip doesnt apply to you ignore it and read something else.
right.
ill try to make clearer what i have been told directly from a manager at orange sales.
1/ all phones that orange sell are automatically blacklisted.
2/ they are blaklisted through the imei number which means that even though they are flashed/unlocked they still will not work.
3/ the only way to remove the phone from the blacklist is to register the phone with orange.
4/ orange will unlock the phone for you to any network for a fee.
5/ you can unlock yourself or for cheap on ebay etc. BUT NOTE i have been informed that orange reserve the right to re-block the phone if you dont pay to unlock it with them(perhaps scare-mongering but its what i was told.

i bought a cheap phone from the orange shop but after all this hassle im wondering if it was really worth it.
just wanted to pass on what i was told.
#18
oh and it is illegal to change the imei of your phone.
[SIZE=2]im not sure if its illegal to flash it[/SIZE]
#19
[QUOTE=steviep23]
1/ all phones that orange sell are automatically blacklisted.
2/ they are blaklisted through the imei number which means that even though they are flashed/unlocked they still will not work.
3/ the only way to remove the phone from the blacklist is to register the phone with orange.
QUOTE]
That would explain why although I had the phone unlocked, it would not work on T-Mobile until I registered it with Orange
#20
georgieboy123
[QUOTE=steviep23]
1/ all phones that orange sell are automatically blacklisted.
2/ they are blaklisted through the imei number which means that even though they are flashed/unlocked they still will not work.
3/ the only way to remove the phone from the blacklist is to register the phone with orange.
QUOTE]
That would explain why although I had the phone unlocked, it would not work on T-Mobile until I registered it with Orange

Just to butt in again, my phones are bought from Orange have not been registered, have been unlocked and work fine on other sims???!!!
#21
This is the 1st time I've been able to add anything to the site.
I don't quite know what to do now. :-(
I'll just lay back and think of England :-)
#22
lovepinkphones
[QUOTE=georgieboy123]
Just to butt in again, my phones are bought from Orange have not been registered, have been unlocked and work fine on other sims???!!!


The V3 I bought apparently cannot be unlocked but the workaround was by inputting a subsidy code. Is that different to a usual unlock?
#23
georgieboy123
[quote=steviep23]
1/ all phones that orange sell are automatically blacklisted.
2/ they are blaklisted through the imei number which means that even though they are flashed/unlocked they still will not work.
3/ the only way to remove the phone from the blacklist is to register the phone with orange.
QUOTE]
That would explain why although I had the phone unlocked, it would not work on T-Mobile until I registered it with Orange


yep thats why :)
#24
lovepinkphones.
id say this is a new thing orange are introducing and it will probably take a while to get it across the board.
for piece of mind id ring orange sales and see what they say.
if you are selling it could cause you problems although as you supplying the sim card all the buyer has to do is use that sim card or any orange one and everything is fine.
id be careful about advertising as unlocked until you speak to orange about this new policy.
#25
steviep23, thanks for your post. It helps when people who have found out new information take the time and trouble to post it on the site and save some of us the trauma of learning the hard way. Please ignore those who choose to make it sound like you're wasting everyone's time.
banned#26
Can Admin move this post as it isnt a hot deal!
#27
pay as you go phones are cheap because the networks subsidise the cost based on the money they'll make back on the calls you make using their sim - if you use another networks sim they don't get this money back so it's common place for PAYG phones to be locked. This also stops companies buying 100's at a time and re-selling them as new.

If you want a cheap PAYG phone that isn't locked Carphone Warehouse is your best bet.
#28
Close this thread, complete garbage.

Only way a phone is blocked from other networks (after unlocking) is if its blocked or reported stolen/lost.

If you unlock a phone to use on other networks, it will work fine, unless reported for the above. That applies to Orange and all other networks
#29
georgieboy123
[quote=lovepinkphones]

The V3 I bought apparently cannot be unlocked but the workaround was by inputting a subsidy code. Is that different to a usual unlock?



v3 can be unlocked ( i did mine myself as i changed networks, but kept the same phone)
#30
Just a wondering here....someone said that when the network finds an unregister IMEI phone in its network they will block it/blacklisted...
What about all those students from other countries that come to the UK and just buy sim cards and use them in their mobile phones?
Those phones r not registered with any company in the UK and never will.
The networks i don't think they have the right to block an IMEI just because it's not listed in their registry.
#31
Sharpharp
Close this thread, complete garbage.

Only way a phone is blocked from other networks (after unlocking) is if its blocked or reported stolen/lost.

If you unlock a phone to use on other networks, it will work fine, unless reported for the above. That applies to Orange and all other networks



several people on here have had the same problem.
i have just got my phone working today , it was blacklisted.
i am only repeating what orange sales told me.

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