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bg1: teaching our kids ourselfs instead of schools? (debate)

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5y, 9m agoPosted 5 years, 9 months ago
in this topic, lets assume, we can give our children home schooling without being worried about whos going to pay the bills and stuff like that.

if you had the choice, would you rather send you kids to school, or home school them?

My view: I would rather home school my children, I think at school children are not taught enough about real values, what's important, people, life love. I think schools distract us too much and want us to strive for better jobs, earn more money. I know you thinking WHAT did he say, obviously better jobs and more money is good, no?

Most of us are in a supply chain, look at the clothes your wearing now, they were most likely made at $1< ph in some 3rd world country, the job you work you are paid say 10-30k a year, when the business is making millions+. Evil chain and were just feeding off the people below us.

I also think everybody should have the experience of teaching there own children. So many other aminals teach there young onse how to surive, hunt, build shealter etc etc. The bond between parents and children is edging away in alot of families, this is a great way to get that bond back, i think this will bring some culture back to the country as well.

I think home schooling at the ages of 6-14, during primary school and part of secondary school. Then when more advanced learning we can give to to the professionals. Im more then confident that most people can teach most subjects at a certain level. School teaching is only done out of a book, and all the teacher has to do is take a course on how to communicate to the students, and who can commutate to our children better then the parents!!


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banned#1
good cut and paste skillz ..


so what about those with no kids..
banned#2
"thoughts?"

The BG1 one legacy is slowly deteriating. Make a new account or something :(
#3
I don't get the question 'if we had a choice' - we do. Anyone can choose to home school their children.
1 Like #4
we can give our schools home schooling


Interesting theory.......
#5
FrootCake
I don't get the question 'if we had a choice' - we do. Anyone can choose to home school their children.

yeah we have a "choice", but we really dont, because home schooling for most people in today world will come at the cost of there house

Edited By: black gerbil1 on Mar 05, 2011 20:50
banned#6
emasu
we can give our schools home schooling


Interesting theory.......


yeah and you still owe for the bin your broke at BIA ;)
#7
FrootCake
I don't get the question 'if we had a choice' - we do. Anyone can choose to home school their children.


Read the opening post again.
#8
I have had to teach 16 year olds coming into further education who have supposedly been home schooled. Let's just say they had some huge, gaping holes in their knowledge and skills that will take them years to make up. It has meant that a fairly intelligent girl I teach has had to start a course at the very bottom of her chosen career path as she doesn't have the basic skills to cope with studying at a higher level.
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bg1: teaching our kids ourselfs instead of schools? (debate)

Some parents may not be able to give good quality education to their kids by home schooling, not fair to those kids imo.
#10
Marina
bg1: teaching our kids ourselfs instead of schools? (debate)


Some parents may not be able to give good quality education to their kids by home schooling, not fair to those kids imo.


That was my view too. It would actually lead to a very large class divide.
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Marina
bg1: teaching our kids ourselfs instead of schools? (debate)
Some parents may not be able to give good quality education to their kids by home schooling, not fair to those kids imo.

Epic posting fail by OP.
#12
thesaint
FrootCake
I don't get the question 'if we had a choice' - we do. Anyone can choose to home school their children.


Read the opening post again.


Ah, sorry. So the question really is about whether we should/could be paid to homeschool our children? There are benefits available to those who do - but that would probably depend on your local council. There are 'privileges' available around here - but none that would pay the bills. Having said that, I could pay an extra mortgage payment or two if I didn't have to buy uniform.
#13
stewby
I have had to teach 16 year olds coming into further education who have supposedly been home schooled. Let's just say they had some huge, gaping holes in their knowledge and skills that will take them years to make up. It has meant that a fairly intelligent girl I teach has had to start a course at the very bottom of her chosen career path as she doesn't have the basic skills to cope with studying at a higher level.

I knew someone who was homeschooled, he was very bright, and i was shocked when he said he was home schooled, i met him doing my A-levels, i guess the people you taught there parents might not of been "smart" enough, but WHO TAUGHT THEM? SCHOOLS!


Marina
bg1: teaching our kids ourselfs instead of schools? (debate)


Some parents may not be able to give good quality education to their kids by home schooling, not fair to those kids imo.

yeah but why is this, who taught the parents, schools, what hope can we have in the school system if they cannot teach them to teach there children? (not having a go at you seems like i am when i re-read it :))

Edited By: black gerbil1 on Mar 05, 2011 20:58
1 Like #14
Lol .Teach youre kids at home until they are 14 then expect them to be able to fit in in normal education after that.
1 Like #15
Mallinersha
Marina
bg1: teaching our kids ourselfs instead of schools? (debate)
Some parents may not be able to give good quality education to their kids by home schooling, not fair to those kids imo.


Epic posting fail by OP.


I'm still struggling with commutate.
[mod] 3 Likes #16
What good would teaching your kids do when you can't spell yourself?
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black gerbil1
stewby
I have had to teach 16 year olds coming into further education who have supposedly been home schooled. Let's just say they had some huge, gaping holes in their knowledge and skills that will take them years to make up. It has meant that a fairly intelligent girl I teach has had to start a course at the very bottom of her chosen career path as she doesn't have the basic skills to cope with studying at a higher level.

I knew someone who was homeschooled, he was very bright, and i was shocked when he said he was home schooled, i met him doing my A-levels, i guess the people you taught there parents might not of been "smart" enough, but WHO TAUGHT THEM? SCHOOLS!


Marina
bg1: teaching our kids ourselfs instead of schools? (debate)


Some parents may not be able to give good quality education to their kids by home schooling, not fair to those kids imo.

yeah but why is this, who taught the parents, schools, what hope can we have in the school system if they cannot teach them to teach there children?


I don't believe their parents were not smart enough. They had very different values and neglected to teach her maths, English or ict. Harsh reality of life is you need those skills to make yourself employable for most jobs.
#18
tonyg1962
Lol .Teach youre kids at home until they are 14 then expect them to be able to fit in in normal education after that.
what do schools teach us really, i mean they tell us were Brazil is on the map, anyone can do that, they tell us what happened in "history" which is mostly propaganda.

I can teach mah and English to a very good standard, and I hope that many others can too. The only place we sturggle will be when teaching advanced maths, physics, chemistry and stuff. But this what when they go to school and learn this sort of stuff.

When at school did we have lessons to help our fellow man, that we should be kind to everyone, that we shouldn't hate or be jealous of people. That happiness is more important then money and a career? this is what we should be teaching our children as the schools are clearly not.
Syzable
What good would teaching your kids do when you can't spell yourself?

im just writing as quick as i can, there may be mistakes, but thats not what this is about, instead of taking the debate off topic, why not give you views and thoughts, i dont really care to adjust my spelling mistakes becaues evan thouhg in tihs sentnace threr is a mistkae in eahc wrd, u knw waht it maeans, so why go back and correct everything?



Edited By: black gerbil1 on Mar 05, 2011 21:04
#19
tonyg1962
Lol .Teach youre kids at home until they are 14 then expect them to be able to fit in in normal education after that.


It's almost impossible. I really feel bad for the girl I'm teaching. She wants to go to uni but has no gcses, and it will take her at least two years to even have a chance at A-C in maths and English. She ay make uni eventually but not until at least md-20s I would suggest. So homeschooling has probably held her back in the region of 7 years
1 Like #20
Bg, you can't teach maths and English. You may have good skills yourself but teaching is a skill too. That's why people study for years to learn to teach well. Please don't undermine my profession with silly comments
4 Likes #21
No ...totally disagree with home schooling , ...............just had sons parent evening few days ago and couldnt believe what she said !! ............... said how independent he was , first one to tidy up , was most eager to to do worrk !!...........i was WTF !!!, have we got the same child !!!...hes is not like this at home at all , school is best for kids without a doubt , plus they make friends x
#22
stewby
Bg, you can't teach maths and English. You may have good skills yourself but teaching is a skill too. That's why people study for years to learn to teach well. Please don't undermine my profession with silly comments
yeah no dobut, obviously we are the first generations, so there will be some mistakes and leaks, but over time, and with a bit of research and learning different teaching methods, we will ALL be teaching to more then acceptable level imo.

We also have a closer bond, to farther/monther to son/daughter, we are also going back to the roots, were parents teach there children, then what we have become now. Everything is so interpersonal, it will make the world a better place too thats for sure.

Edited By: black gerbil1 on Mar 05, 2011 21:09
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Teaching our children for their future is team work, home life experiences and school experiences should compliment each other. I feel more and more is having to be taught at school these days. For example, how to be polite, table manners, how to cross the road safely, the list is endless. My parents taught me these things.
You'll need to scrub up on your English skills though if you're going to teach your kids. "there and their"
#24
Rugbymum
Teaching our children for their future is team work, home life experiences and school experiences should compliment each other. I feel more and more is having to be taught at school these days. For example, how to be polite, table manners, how to cross the road safely, the list is endless. My parents taught me these things.
You'll need to scrub up on your English skills though if you're going to teach your kids. "there and their"
I like this idea, a mixuture of parents and school teaching, instead of the school having the children for 5 days a week. I think this would be better then what I suggested.

the school can have the children x3 a week, and the other 2x the parents can teach, obviously this is just an idea, but this would be better then sending them to the detention centres x5 a week right?
#25
I've got to ask BG1 so you think that when a child reaches school age ( 3 here in Wales) kids have'nt learned anything? when you are a parent you are constantly teaching your child, from the minute they are born.
a mixture of teacher parent teaching most parents do this already, most parents dont rely on schools to teach their child every thing, If you think it is you are in for a shock when you have your own kids.
People who think its up to the school to teach the kids everything is a im sorry a bad parent, parents need to understand that teaching in the home works along side school not against it.

My friend did this with her son, he dropped out of school at 14 and at 21 now never had a job because he still cant read, spell, and only basic math because his mother and father couldnt be bothered to teach/help him at home

Edited By: vinylandtrinkets on Mar 05, 2011 21:21
1 Like #26
I haven't read all the previous posts but i personally wouldn't like my kids taught from home. They need to learn how to interact with other people and get some independence as well as be educated therefore even if i was a millionaire i wouldn't home school my kids.
#27
you would rather teach your own kids at home when you cannot even spoke proper Englund.

anyways if i could, i would send my 3 off to school 24/7.
#28
why r u not out on a saturday night a popular ladys man ?

Edited By: intenso100 on Mar 05, 2011 21:42
1 Like #29
I wouldn't advocate full time home schooling at all, though saying that both are required in order for a successful education.

You could be amazingly academic but your child just not get the same well rounded education they will get at a school and will end up with huge gaps in learning. They will not have access to resources nor to the rich social experience of being around so many children from different backgrounds and of different personalities.

Bg1 In your op you state between the ages of 6-14 would be good to teach at home and then shift to the pros. however these years are some of the fundamentally most important in underpinning later years learning and skills

As i said at the start of my post, both home and school learning are required to be successful. What i mean by this is that learning does not start and finish with the school day, it is something that (especially at younger years) should be reinforced constantly with questioning, discussion (even just about every day topics) and a parent taking an interest.
#30
stewby
tonyg1962
Lol .Teach youre kids at home until they are 14 then expect them to be able to fit in in normal education after that.
It's almost impossible. I really feel bad for the girl I'm teaching. She wants to go to uni but has no gcses, and it will take her at least two years to even have a chance at A-C in maths and English. She ay make uni eventually but not until at least md-20s I would suggest. So homeschooling has probably held her back in the region of 7 years

Why does she not have G.C.S.E's? What exams did her parents get her to do? if they didnt get her to sit qualifications, then she hasnt been homeschooled.
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Home schooling in my opinion is not a viable option - a child schooling has to be complimented by social skills. If a child is only educated within a domestic environmnent either alone or with siblings - how on earth will they learn to interact and react to 'the Good the Bad and the Ugly' face of reality? Yes, they would get one to one tuition, but only from one teacher - a parent. Surely that would push the strongest of families to the brink! As for mixing home schooling with local authority education - that must run a very close 2nd to solely home schooling. It is disruptive enough when a teacher is unable to take a lesson and a cover is bought in, so just consider the problems of 2 teachers co-ordinating with a 'home' tutor. Personally, i think that parents who home school their kids are dedicated and self sacrificing - they are very, very naive - who , in the long run, will end up with undereducated, freindless, unsociable and resentful children.
1 Like #32
Kids need to mix with other children/adults from different races, sex, social background, with disabilities etc etc. You cannot wrap them up in cotton wool or they will not be street savvy when they eventually get out in the big bad world.
#33
people who say soical skills, im not saying we should keep them in doors all day, of course they can go out and they should, dont give them computer games, give them a ball and take them to the park, to the youth club etc etc.
#34
Randa1
stewby
tonyg1962
Lol .Teach youre kids at home until they are 14 then expect them to be able to fit in in normal education after that.
It's almost impossible. I really feel bad for the girl I'm teaching. She wants to go to uni but has no gcses, and it will take her at least two years to even have a chance at A-C in maths and English. She ay make uni eventually but not until at least md-20s I would suggest. So homeschooling has probably held her back in the region of 7 years


Why does she not have G.C.S.E's? What exams did her parents get her to do? if they didnt get her to sit qualifications, then she hasnt been homeschooled.


Of course she was home schooled, but parents didn't "believe" in examinations. That's the biggest fla in BG1s plan; every parent would do things based on their own beliefs and values. Just because some parents think an education system should not have summative assessment doesn't mean they haven't been home schooled
1 Like #35
So are you going to home school your son?
#36
black gerbil1
people who say soical skills, im not saying we should keep them in doors all day, of course they can go out and they should, dont give them computer games, give them a ball and take them to the park, to the youth club etc etc.


I didn't expect you meant that :)
Of course they will have social interaction through those things, but they wont get the same experience in having to work with others in practical academic tasks and also working and being around people they may not necessarily like or get on with.

All vital life skills that get picked up during these years.
Im not damning those who are home schooled as there are exceptions to the rule, but in the majority of cases, pretty much all of what i have said will ring true.
#37
In America it is common to have groups of homeschooled children, where parents pool there knowledge so the children get a rounded education across a range of subjects, mix with other children so they don't miss out on the social aspects of school, but get the benefits that homeschooled children get - they choose the curriculum and timetable.

There is scope for 'flexi-schooling' in the rules - the idea that a child spends some time at school and some time at home, but the reality is that they won't let you do it, because I tried.
1 Like #38
black gerbil1

I can teach mah and English to a very good standard, and I hope that many others can too. The only place we sturggle will be when teaching advanced maths, physics, chemistry and stuff. But this what when they go to school and learn this sort of stuff.





Teach English? . you haven't even got close to mastering it yourself.
#39
Just reading this old thread with interest and Wow!!

jelli89
Personally, i think that parents who home school their kids are dedicated and self sacrificing - they are very, very naive - who , in the long run, will end up with undereducated, freindless, unsociable and resentful children.


I do get the impression that you are very naive on the subject of home education! I'm hoping since March you have had some time to do a bit of research on the subject and realise that your views are very narrow minded. I understand this is your opinion but what on earth have you heard/read that leads you to believe that the parents are so naive and that all home educated children will turn out to be next to useless individuals?!

School works great for some children but for others home education works out better.

There are many reasons why a child may be home educated and quite often it is the case that a school has let them down in some way and/or failed in their duty to provide an education that is suitable.

Jetpac
They will not have access to resources nor to the rich social experience of being around so many children from different backgrounds and of different personalities.


Why would home educated children not have access to these things?

School children are basically a group of 30 children of the same age who are with each other day in, day out, year after year, all growing up with pretty much the same children.
Home educated children can mix with children of all ages and abilities as well as adults from various backgrounds and cultures etc.
When they 'get out in the big bad world' (as someone above said) the home educated children who do socialise with others will be used to interacting with people of all ages, so in that respect they may well have an advantage over some schooled children who may not have had the chance to spend a lot of time with adults other than their family members.

I am not anti school but it does annoy me when some people talk with seeming authority about a subject when in fact they do not know anything about it and/or are basing their knowledge (I use that term loosely) on things they have heard or read about without finding out more detail for themselves.

I could go on more but I won't. Rant over!
#40
Epic thread resurrection skills.

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