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Bit Torrent is for those who dont know about usenet, discuss

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banned9y, 7m agoPosted 9 years, 7 months ago
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#1
I had a go at Usenet once - got totally lost - went back to BT!
#2
jayhab
I had a go at Usenet once - got totally lost - went back to BT!


lol same here.
theres a charge for usenet anyway ... isnt there ?
I've heard speeds are awesome on usenet. Never experienced it though.
#3
Cyrus
lol same here.
theres a charge for usenet anyway ... isnt there ?
I've heard speeds are awesome on usenet. Never experienced it though.


I think you are only charged for the good ones, you can usually find a free trial.

I think your isp has some form of usenet as well (correct me if I'm wrong)
#4
all a bit hazey still.
we need a usenet guru to educate us :)
#5
BT = Free
Usernet = Not Free
#6
Usenet is for people who like to pay for things they can get for free via bittorrent.
#7
I get plenty of stuff free on Usenet using the XNews program and my ISPs list of groups
#8
Way too much faffing about, I'll stick with BitTorrent.
#9
Some isp's will give access to newsgroup (or some newsgroups) as part of the broadband package.

Usenet is excellent, although there is usually a small cost involved to get the most out of it. Big advantage is that you can usually use your maximum download speed and there's no need to upload, or have share ratios, a big drawback with torrents.

Each to their own, or why not use both :)

Johnnypanic
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#11
direct download is the way to go, none of this leaving PC on overnight/10kbs peak time nonsense. 350mb tv episode @ 700kbps downloaded in about 10mins - now thats what im talking about! Although i have to say there are a few good private torrent sites (that require a good ratio) One of which i still use
1 Like #12
I just find the only decent time to download torrents is first thing in the morning. If it's a 700MB tv show, it'll be done in about 40 minutes on my PC. If I set it off about 4pm, it'll have an estimated time of something ridiculous like 39 hours.

The minute it hits midday in the UK, meaning the East coast of the US is waking up, it all turns to [email protected]!
#13
BristolDeal
I just find the only decent time to download torrents is first thing in the morning. If it's a 700MB tv show, it'll be done in about 40 minutes on my PC. If I set it off about 4pm, it'll have an estimated time of something ridiculous like 39 hours.

The minute it hits midday in the UK, meaning the East coast of the US is waking up, it all turns to [EMAIL="[email protected]!"][email protected]![/EMAIL]


yeah, dont get me wrong, during off peak hours Bit Torrent downloading is quite fast, but i've rarely ever seen mine go over 400kbps. Plus, like you said, it depends on where all the bits of the torrent are being seeded from and their connections and resitrictions etc etc. Theres a load more factors to contend with, whereas DDL you can use a download manager and get up to 700kbps (more if you line supports it) and even during peak hours :thumbsup:
#14
started with ptp torrent, but tooooo slow, if you have a good broadband connection go onto a usenet, seems confusing but i can asure you its not, yes it is a bit more money but then what do you get in life for free!!

if you are doing ptp just be carefull , viruses etc and always have a good peer guardian, i personaly wouldnt go back, but then thats my personal opionion, when i do have time i will try and do a post for a newsgroup, usenet but it does take a bit of time, but can assure you you will forget this ptp, torrent using, promise!!:thumbsup:
#15
sofiamary
when i do have time i will try and do a post for a newsgroup, usenet but it does take a bit of time


If you have time that'd be great! atm im ddl from rapidshare and get good speeds
#16
well i use BT and atm im grabbing an episode of 24 which is d/ling at 515 kB/s over a wireless connection with my max line speed of 6meg so im pretty happy with that :)
#17
cool thats pretty good. What ISP you with?
#18
sky BBand, my town is capable of 8 meg, but I was getting loads of errors as it was set at an uncapped 16 meg. so had it reduced to 6 and has been flawless for months, it very very very rarely plays up or drops out
#19
I really need to get mine changed. I've been with BT for years, I'm on "up to 8MB" but once it gets past 6pm I don't even get 2MB. :x

It's never ever broken down or had any downtime though, which is a plus. Ish.
#20
and like that, my download was done, im off to watch 24 :D
#21
lol @amino

Your connection seems pretty good then

@Bristol, do you not even get 2mb when downloading via HTTP after 6pm?
[mod]#22
I'm currently trialing 20mb for Virgin and several times i've hit the max at torrentleech. It takes no time at all to get something down, it's the upload speeds which are still a bit rubbish.
#23
20mb....NICE!

Thats the annoying thing about trying to keep a good ratio on private trackers, upload speeds are crap. Whats your max upload speed with that 20mb line?
[mod]#24
Well Virgin are claiming it's 768Kbps but i'm finding it's more around the 650 mark. I will keep it though as i've been on 10mb since the start so they offered to upgrade me early so i could give some feedback (hence i've hammered the line for 'test' purposes. lol.). I think it should be rolling out for all 10mb customers in the next month or two as well.
#25
id like to have a cable line and not ADSL. not fair :-(
#26
I think with BT its all relative if you downloading an official release from somewhere say for example Open Office cause their servers are fast you get good speeds but i believe people seeding on lower speed connections drag the speed down.

I use a ratio based private tracker for some specific stuff and i get around 1.5mb download speeds cause I am on a 24mb connection but i only ever connect at 16mb. The 1.2mb upload connection helps with ratios.
#27
paceCETTA
@Bristol, do you not even get 2mb when downloading via HTTP after 6pm?


Sometimes, dependent on the site I'm getting something from. But if I use one of the speedtest websites, it's usually no more than 1.9MB in the evenings, but it will be around 3.1MB in the morning.
#28
yeah i if do a speedtest in the eve i usually only record about 2-3mb. Although at the same time i download using a download manager ala 'flashget' i get 6-7mb down anyway lol
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#29
Confusing the mixing of BT as a abreviation of Bittorrent and for British Telecom !?

I used to use all p2p thangs and was always well pleased with the preformance albiet unreliable but when I saw usenet its basically guaranteed 700k/sec all the time. I use a premium server for 10$ and month which si about 6-7 quid and I use the website Newzbin which just links to all the files. I can download a HD copy of lost in a few minutes and already know its bitrate/quality etc. I would never go back as for a few quid a month its worth it for all that I download - All public domain stuff obviously !! Using a program like Newsleecher and a site like newzbin all I do is download one file and all the files are queued - couldnt be easier. They also include .par files which allow to repair any corrupted parts which is great so a 4gb d/l isnt ruined by one hic up.
#30
pretty much the same as i use, and for the couple of pounds per month why even use p2p, i certainly wouldnt go back, wasting to much time and dodgy files, :thumbsup:
1 Like #31
The equation of download bliss goes something like this.

An unlimited account from Giganews.com ($25 per month but can get cheaper if you don't want unlimited)

+

Newsleecher (usenet binary download program that queues, combines and checks your download from usenet)

+

An account at Newzbin.com (25 pence a week - they catalogue most of what is put on the Usenet for easy download - no need to download lots of irrelevant 'headers' to find the stuff you want, just download their 'index' file which tells your software which parts to download to get a complete file)

=

Maxed out ADSL connection with no fakes and - if you're worried about lawsuits - no uploading which means you are not susceptible to a prosecution under copyright breaches. The people that get taken to court are those that share - i.e. upload - not those that download.

I agree with Bigdanny and sofiamary; couldn't go back to torrents and other peer to peers now (and I've jumped onto each transition in internet downloading for the last 15 years so I can compare the lot).

The usenet used to be a tiresome way to get stuff. You had to download all the 'titles' of each part (called headers) and then download the actual items and then combine the items into a 'whole' file and then when opening the file, pray that it wasn't a fake or broken.

The advent of software that automatically puts the pieces together as they download plus the development of usenet indexing sites such as Newzbin plus the ever increasing 'retention' time (the amount of time that a usenet provider keeps files on their servers - now over 100 days on Giganews) means that Usenet has come a long way since when I first started using it. You don't even have to buy a 'premium' usenet account; most ISPs have some usenet service but they tend to have small retentions which means they only have the last 5 or 7 days of files that have been posted on the usenet and the older stuff drops off their servers.

The only thing I'm worried about now is that as it gets more popular the copyright people will start cracking down more on the companies that host the files and the people that upload them.

See the newsgroups guide at slyck.com for a great introduction.

Happy to answer Q's from people who are looking to get into Usenet.

J
#32
JohnnyStar

Happy to answer Q's from people who are looking to get into Usenet.
J


Ok ive got a question. Currently using a rapidshare premium account which costs £11 for 3 months, 25gb a week limit. I get around 6-7mb down. Loads of free sites about with rapidshare links, but one i use in particular to get links. Would usenet really be better for me, if so why?
1 Like #34
paceCETTA
Ok ive got a question. Currently using a rapidshare premium account which costs £11 for 3 months, 25gb a week limit. I get around 6-7mb down. Loads of free sites about with rapidshare links, but one i use in particular to get links. Would usenet really be better for me, if so why?


Without knowing how much you download and what sort of stuff you download it's hard to say.

If your budget for a download service is £11 per quarter then moving to a paid usenet provider will prove more expensive (but this does depend on your download amount - you say you have a 25 gig limit but don't say if you use anywhere near this).

Usenet is much more supported than rapidshare by indexers and providers and downloading a large file seems easier as you only have to download one index file to get the whole large file (movie, etc) downloaded compared to rapidshare (assuming it's still the same as when I used it) where you have to download the individual rars and put them into the same folder to combine.

Rapidshare is on a similar principle to usenet in that you are only downloading so no uploading is needed and, hence, no copyrighting risks.

I'd say if you're getting all you want right now, you're finding it easy enough to use and it's only costing you £11 for three months then you probably wouldn't benefit from a switch to newsgroups.

J
1 Like #35
well explained johnystar that is how and what i use, fantastic! and like you say have used nermerous ways downloading and this at present time is farby the best, saved me a job of explaining it so thanks, and you have explained it good, but im sure you will get loads of pms now of how to set up the newsreader, good luck!!:giggle:
#36
@schizoboy interesting article, thanks :thumbsup:

@JohnnyStar Thanks for your explanation, it gives me more of an idea how it all works really. DL via rapidshare can be a ar$e sometimes, like having to download a chunk of rars - not too bad when its 8. 30 odd then it can be! Although you can schedule them in a download manager, ive never been able to get it working properly like that and always end up with corrupt parts or the speed of the download slows down to 2kbps @ like 90% complete. Whenever i download each rar singularly, it works perfectly. Maybe there something i need to set up in flashget.

Dunno, although £11 per quarter suits me quite nicely and i dont really use up the 25gb/week limit, i do like the sound of an easy searchable index with usenet. I might have a look at the ones you recommend and see what the other packages are like

@sofiamary No, we're waiting for your Usenet guide!
#37
thats not fair!!

thought i got out of that one! lol :giggle:
1 Like #38
just go to newzbin.com and look at the site - you wont be able to download but you'll see how easy it is to see all the files and 1 click allows you to d/l them. also has .nfo files nicely linked and links to info about the game/movie etc and comments from other users that give you v good idea of quality and contents ie for movie rips.

I use newshosting and thats ony 6-7 quid for unlimited bandwidth. And I 've been able to 'backup' a lot of movies and games for that !!
1 Like #39
bigdannyb
just go to newzbin.com and look at the site - you wont be able to download but you'll see how easy it is to see all the files and 1 click allows you to d/l them. also has .nfo files nicely linked and links to info about the game/movie etc and comments from other users that give you v good idea of quality and contents ie for movie rips.

I use newshosting and thats ony 6-7 quid for unlimited bandwidth. And I 've been able to 'backup' a lot of movies and games for that !!


cheers bigdanny, will have a butchers at that later. Even better to SEE how it all works etc.

@sofia :w00t: :giggle:
#40
SabNZBd and greasemoneky plugins make usenet downloading a dream. It pars and extracts in the background automatically, from one click on the Newzbin interface.
Some usenet servers are free with some ISPs, I know Pipex has one. They are usually good for ~5 days retention.
Newzbin is free if you become a editor, although to begin with it is a lot of work.

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