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Blackberry users - what are the costs involved?

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7y, 10m agoPosted 7 years, 10 months ago
I don't quite understand the costs of using a Blackberry. I understand all the technical stuff of how it gets your email and pushes it to your device etc..

But what I don't understand is can I use an unregistered blackberry with a Vodafone data plan?

Or do i have to pay either pay Vodafone/Blackberry extra to use the full blackberry features?

Each Blackberry device has a pin and an IMEI number which you must register on the blackberry website, so if I buy an unregistered blackberry can I register it with myself and use the blackberry features?
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7y, 10m agoPosted 7 years, 10 months ago
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#1
You will have to take out a Blackberry data tariff with your provider, a normal data tariff will not work as it's a comletely different system. You should be able to use an unregistered handset, the problem might be if the PIN is still linked to someones account if it is 2nd hand. Blackberry tech support aren't exactly the easiest people to talk to.

You register the PIN and IMEI with your provider, i.e. Vodafone, O2 etc through their Blackberry Internet Service (BIS). You don't pay anything to Blackbery directly. For business it costs around £8.50 per month on top of the normal line rental for the Unlimited Blackberry tariff, not sure how much for personal. Charges should easily be found on each providers website.

Be careful if you take it abroad though, charges can be very high, not so bad in Europe but America/Canada etc.
#2
I've got a Blackberry Curve plan with Vodafone. I pay £35 a month for my tariff and then pay an extra £10 for the Blackberry bolt-on which gives me the internet and push email capabilities.
If you're wanting to use the phone as a phone I think you'd be ok but if you're wanting it for the push emails then I think you'd need a registered one as you need to create an account on their website and if the handset had already been registered by someone else you'd be stuck.
But I love the phone though, and the push emails are great. Means you don't have to log in on your computer all the time :)
#3
So basically, I have to pay twice?????
Once for the 'Blackberry' handset and then again for me to use the blackberry servers.

OK I see - so what you are actually paying for is AN ACCOUNT with your service provider, vodafone in my case and this account is a blackberry account?

Vodafone are saying it'll cost me an extra £5 as I already have a data plan.
#4
rash
So basically, I have to pay twice?????
Once for the 'Blackberry' handset and then again for me to use the blackberry servers.

OK I see - so what you are actually paying for is AN ACCOUNT with your service provider, vodafone in my case and this account is a blackberry account?

Vodafone are saying it'll cost me an extra £5 as I already have a data plan.


You pay for your contract which, in my case, is £35. This enables you to use the phone as you normally would: calls, texts etc.
However, as Blackberry's tend to be aimed towards business users, they also have the extra capability of being able to receive push emails. You only pay for this is you are going to be needing it.
The extra £10 a month for the Blackberry bolt-on is paid to Vodafone, there are no charges paid directly to Blackberry

One thing to notice is that you must have the Blackberry bolt-on. When I first signed up to my account I was placed on the wrong contract and although it came to the same price, it didn't accept push emails. My contract had to be cancelled for me to be placed on the correct one, with the bolt-on.
#5
spider1986
You pay for your contract which, in my case, is £35. This enables you to use the phone as you normally would: calls, texts etc.
However, as Blackberry's tend to be aimed towards business users, they also have the extra capability of being able to receive push emails. You only pay for this is you are going to be needing it.
The extra £10 a month for the Blackberry bolt-on is paid to Vodafone, there are no charges paid directly to Blackberry

One thing to notice is that you must have the Blackberry bolt-on. When I first signed up to my account I was placed on the wrong contract and although it came to the same price, it didn't accept push emails. My contract had to be cancelled for me to be placed on the correct one, with the bolt-on.


Indirectly though, I'm paying Blackberry, thanks for that it's cleared it up a little, there are other blackberry alternative email applications out there you want to check them out.

Ultimately though I need a Blackberry account, which I can only get from a service provider. Once I stop paying or my contract ends I can no longer use blackberry services, so using blackberry services is not tied to the handset, it's tied to the simcard/contract, it this correct?

Also if I was to say buy a blackberry bolt-on from O2 and use it on with my Vodafone simccrd, would that work? Logically it should work because once the phone is activated, it just sends the username/password/pin etc. to the blackberry server and gets the server to push my emails, which can be done over a 3G wireless connection.

Also if you are connected via Wifi and not 3G then do you still get push emails?
#6
Vodafone have a Blackberry backend system which handles the data for your Blackberry which includes handling all your mail - O2, Orange and T-mobile all have their own Blackberry servers and infrastructure so you can't mix and match between them. You cannot use an alternative BB mail application on the Blackberry, you have to pay for Blackberry services or it's no data at all.

To use a Blackberry on Vodafone, the PIN must not be registered with any Blackberry system (to allow it to register on Vodafone's BB server) and you need to have a monthly contract with BIS enabled. (BIS is not available on payg) Without BIS then the Blackberry is limited to just calls and sms as without BIS, it isn't provisioned for data at all.

I wrote this starter guide which may be of use:
http://forum.vodafone.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=10547

John
#7
thanks, Johnmcl7, but I still have a few questions, if I was to get an O2 blackberry bolt on - registered an O2 blackberry with the O2 system and it worked fine - could I pop in my vodafone simcard (which has unlimited Internet), and continue using it?

OR would O2 force the blackberry server to ONLY send it to the same number on which I have the BIS?

Hence why I asked if the Blackberry service worked over WIFI, because if they do then it would seem that the balckberry servers send the data directly to the device rather than the mobile number on which the handset is currently running.
#8
rash;4110487
thanks, Johnmcl7, but I still have a few questions, if I was to get an O2 blackberry bolt on - registered an O2 blackberry with the O2 system and it worked fine - could I pop in my vodafone simcard (which has unlimited Internet), and continue using it?


No, you can't - to use your Vodafone simcard on BIS you'd need to be on Vodafone's Blackberry system, not O2's. The enterprise version of Blackberries (BES) is different but I don't think it's relevant to your setup


Hence why I asked if the Blackberry service worked over WIFI, because if they do then it would seem that the balckberry servers send the data directly to the device rather than the mobile number on which the handset is currently running.


The blackberry servers (bear in mind each network has their own one) are pushing the data to the device specifically, hence the use of the PIN. If you had two Vodafone contracts with BIS enabled on them and the BB registered on one, you should be able to change the simcards by re-registering the Blackberry with the new simcard. I don't believe that the push mail works over wifi as you're outwith the Vodafone network and their BB server but I'm not sure on that.

John
#9
rash
thanks, Johnmcl7, but I still have a few questions, if I was to get an O2 blackberry bolt on - registered an O2 blackberry with the O2 system and it worked fine - could I pop in my vodafone simcard (which has unlimited Internet), and continue using it?

OR would O2 force the blackberry server to ONLY send it to the same number on which I have the BIS?

Hence why I asked if the Blackberry service worked over WIFI, because if they do then it would seem that the balckberry servers send the data directly to the device rather than the mobile number on which the handset is currently running.



Blackberry is stopping putting WiFi in their phones as they've found it's unneccessary when the phone has 3G. Push emails work through 3G, mine doesn't even have wireless as I chose my Curve to have GPS instead.
I don't think it would be possible to swap and change sim cards. The push messages are linked to the SIM (in my case it is Vodafone who are dealing with the push emails) and my mobile number. You couldn't put another SIM in your Blackberry and still get the push emails.
#10
Johnmcl7
I don't believe that the push mail works over wifi as you're outwith the Vodafone network and their BB server but I'm not sure on that.

John


My phone doesn't even have it so definitely don't receive push emails through WiFi.
#11
spider1986;4110643
Blackberry is stopping putting WiFi in their phones as they've found it's unneccessary when the phone has 3G. Push emails work through 3G, mine doesn't even have wireless as I chose my Curve to have GPS instead.


They're not stopping putting wifi in their phone, they've just released a new BB with wifi. They apparently cannot have GPS and wifi in the likes of the Storm (Curve is the same) so some networks choose GPS (Vodafone), others choose wifi (Rogers)

John
#12
Cheers guys, great help, now I figured it out, sometimes google is just not enough.
#13
spider1986
My phone doesn't even have it so definitely don't receive push emails through WiFi.


It can receive push emails through wifi, when I turn my phone on in the morning for example I receive any new emails before it has connected to my providers network. I think it will use a wifi connection if available otherwise your carriers.
#14
I have a blackberry 8700v, I unlocked it and put in my O2 sim PAYG!

Then set it up to use wap on the 7.50 data plan bolton, that gives me 200Meg per month, I am also on the 500 mins postcode tarriff. so all I pay is a tenner a month.

My blackberry gets push email, Beejive IM(msn etc), google maps, google mail, opera internet browser and BBbrowser, OTA installs, facebook app and many more. Just about all you get with a blackberry data plan but for only 10 pounds a month.

this can be done with any blackberry !
#15
you don't need a data plan for a blackberry.

this is a myth.

i'm on t-mobile and i specified that i didn't want this bolt on extra cost, and that's fine - they try to talk you out of it and tell you it's essential but it isn't, and it's not mandatory. all it means is you don't get to use the 'blackberry internet service' for push email etc but you can workaround most things you don't get easily, the only thing i haven't managed to get working is GPS navigation but hey, i've got a tom-tom for that.
#16
i have a similar problem, i just upgraded from a bb to a htc and want to keep my bb but the new sim wont allow internew as it is not a bb data plan, how do i fix this as i want to keep my current contact number

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