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As the HD format war rages on, it seems the Blu-ray format has Europe in the bag as Sony's format breaks the 1 million sales mark, representing 73 percent of all HD movie sales in the region. If yo… Read More
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9y, 6m agoPosted 9 years, 6 months ago
As the HD format war rages on, it seems the Blu-ray format has Europe in the bag as Sony's format breaks the 1 million sales mark, representing 73 percent of all HD movie sales in the region.

If you then include PlayStation 3 game discs - which are also on the Blu-ray format disc - the total number of Blu-ray discs produced for retail in Europe jumps beyond 21 million, according to industry figures in a statement from the Blu-ray disc association.

Blu-ray titles are also said to have outsold HD-DVD titles by two-to-one in the first nine months of 2007, according to Home Media Research.

Blu-ray movie sales are undoubtedly boosted by the inclusion of movie playback in every PS3 sold, which is ironically cheaper (but just as good as) dedicated Blu-ray players. HD-DVD playback can be achieved on Xbox 360, but only with the £120 add-on drive attached.

Film titles 300, Spider-Man 3 and Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End are said to be leading the Blu-ray charge, according to Reuters.



http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=176439

Makes you think sony were smart to incl blu ray in its ps3
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#1
Nope - still nowhere near DVD sales........

Of course retailers want you to buy all your movies on Blue Ray and HDDVD. They can charge more for them, the studios probably get more money for them but here's the real killer - what about all your back catalogue you have on DVD. You've fallen for the HD argument so of course you're going to have to replace all your favourite DVD films with their HD equivalent. So the studios and retailers get to sell you virtually the same product twice....and they get to charge more the second time.

Nice little con trick.......

I still maintain that for most tv's under 40" you won't notice the difference between upscaled dvd and HD version (unless you sit 3 feet away)
#2
gari189
Nope - still nowhere near DVD sales........

Of course retailers want you to buy all your movies on Blue Ray and HDDVD. They can charge more for them, the studios probably get more money for them but here's the real killer - what about all your back catalogue you have on DVD. You've fallen for the HD argument so of course you're going to have to replace all your favourite DVD films with their HD equivalent. So the studios and retailers get to sell you virtually the same product twice....and they get to charge more the second time.

Nice little con trick.......

I still maintain that for most tv's under 40" you won't notice the difference between upscaled dvd and HD version (unless you sit 3 feet away)

Im with you on that but i thought the title in the article was worth a post :-D
#3
dandoc2
Im with you on that but i thought the title in the article was worth a post :-D

:giggle:
#4
The thing is though (and you're probably too young to remember this sonny - god I feel old!!) when they brought out CDs. All the shops, music producers etc said how robust CDs were (they couldn't be scratched - so they said at the time) and they gave superior sound quality (although decent hi-fi decks playing unscratched records were better).

It was just a con for you to get you to shell it for the same music in a different format.
#5
gari189
Nope - still nowhere near DVD sales........

Of course retailers want you to buy all your movies on Blue Ray and HDDVD. They can charge more for them, the studios probably get more money for them but here's the real killer - what about all your back catalogue you have on DVD. You've fallen for the HD argument so of course you're going to have to replace all your favourite DVD films with their HD equivalent. So the studios and retailers get to sell you virtually the same product twice....and they get to charge more the second time.

Nice little con trick.......

I still maintain that for most tv's under 40" you won't notice the difference between upscaled dvd and HD version (unless you sit 3 feet away)


I completely disagree, the difference is very much noticeable on a 26 inch HDTV sitting at a normal distance away. Even on an 11.1 inch laptop screen the difference is very noticeable, it's hard not to miss the grain in the upscaled picture especially in dark films where you get proper shadows in the HD version. Skin detail is also signficantly better, you don't realise how much detail is lost in upscaled DVD until you see the HD versions.

The only problem with HD DVD/Blu-ray is that it's harder to watch normal definition TV and DVDs.

John
#6
gari189
The thing is though (and you're probably too young to remember this sonny - god I feel old!!) when they brought out CDs. All the shops, music producers etc said how robust CDs were (they couldn't be scratched - so they said at the time) and they gave superior sound quality (although decent hi-fi decks playing unscratched records were better).

It was just a con for you to get you to shell it for the same music in a different format.

Yes siree......analogue has a much broader and richer sound than digital,hence better.

I still have all me old LP's,not that i play 'em,just can't get rid,it's my childhood and formative years,in a box,in the attic!:whistling:
#7
muckypup
Yes siree......analogue has a much broader and richer sound than digital,hence better.

I still have all me old LP's,not that i play 'em,just can't get rid,it's my childhood and formative years,in a box,in the attic!:whistling:

Yeh i agree its because thr sound and picture have been squeezed down

Its like music - my mum has a few beatles vinyls and listening to them its a whole different sound much richer
#8
Ah, but watch the turnaround when all to 60Gb PS3's are sold out. That's the main reason for the change, people panic buying them so they don't get stuck with the 40GB model. HDDVD will no doubt close the gap at that point ;-)
#9
I think MS were greedy in not putting a HD DVD player in the xbox !

Then again, I bought the Xbox for games, so I got a HD HVD player for just £99 - bargain really, so pro's & cons whichever way you look at it !
#10
Ultimately it will be the Porn Industry that will decide the format war, The main reason why VHS took off over the technically superior BetaMax was simply because of the Porn Industry.
#11
High Def porn - now theres a thought.......
#12
Johnmcl7
I completely disagree, the difference is very much noticeable on a 26 inch HDTV sitting at a normal distance away.


There is a differnce but not enough differnce to pay £15+ for each HD film to replace my dvd collection


DKLS
Ultimately it will be the Porn Industry that will decide the format war, The main reason why VHS took off over the technically superior BetaMax was simply because of the Porn Industry.


Porn is going to HDDVD
[mod]#13
HD-DVD is leading Blu-Ray in the U.S and that is ultimately the market that decides the fate for the rest of us as essentially the studios end up backing the market leader in their home country.

It will need Sony to come up with a clever marketing plan to sell the PS3 in the states to win as at the moment the sales are very poor.
#14
[CENTER]Interesting thread. I don't fully agree that BD will win over HD-DVD. Reasons being:

*HD-DVD boasts greater interactive features than BD!
*HD-DVD is the cheaper option in terms of Hardware & Software!
*HD-DVD versions of films are generally superior in terms of picture & sound quality (look at un-biased online reviews)!
*Universal is HD exclusive, as is Dreamworks and Paramount. Rumours abound that Warners are close behind and maybe even Disney/Buena Vista (They just gave the thumbs up to the introduction of the 51gb HD-DVD....Interesting!)!
*On that note...HD-DVD now has the largest capacity!
*At least 50-60% of BD releases are sub-standard movies!
*PS3 IS taking a licking in terms of sales, and I think Sony play up sales figures by referring to them as BD players. They aren't, they are GAMES CONSOLES!
*HD-DVD has Transformers...& always will!:p
*HD-DVDs are region free! I have purchased so called "BD exclusives" from Japan, Europe & the US where they are released under other companies (eg. Ghost Rider, Mr & Mrs Smith, Underworld...There are many more!)!
*Look at Sony's history of success in own brand media....Betamax...Mini-disc...The list goes on! They all did really well didn't they?!?!?!

By the way this is not a dig at Sony, I do own Sony products and will probably will well into te future. But I am sure that BD isn't all that! Merry Christmas!
:santa: [/CENTER]
#15
add-man
There is a differnce but not enough differnce to pay £15+ for each HD film to replace my dvd collection



I would pay extra to replace.

To me, Upscaled DVD to HD is astonishing. Very noticable regardless of screen size.
#16
I will be buying a PS3 at some point to fill in the few gaps in my movie collection, but HD-DVD has won me over first. Mainly the lack of region restrictions.

Saying all that I'm going to get myself a good PC in the future stick in a Blu-Ray drive and attach a 360 HD-DVD drive. Then install AnyDVD ultra and PowerDVD-HD so it can play any region of both formats and not need to be HDCP compliant.
#17
tbh, i prefer HD DVD.

watched 300 last night on blu-ray and the picture was VERY grainy.

grrrrr.
#18
DKLS
Ultimately it will be the Porn Industry that will decide the format war, The main reason why VHS took off over the technically superior BetaMax was simply because of the Porn Industry.


No, Porn will have nothing to do with deciding the outcome this time round.

Porn = Internet

Besides it will also be on both formats.
#19
fitzybhoy
tbh, i prefer HD DVD.

watched 300 last night on blu-ray and the picture was VERY grainy.

grrrrr.


The film is ment to be grainy :thumbsup:
#20
DKLS
Ultimately it will be the Porn Industry that will decide the format war, The main reason why VHS took off over the technically superior BetaMax was simply because of the Porn Industry.


I think the porn industry probably has less of an influence now, since the internet alot of porn is distributed by download.
#21
Syzable
HD-DVD is leading Blu-Ray in the U.S and that is ultimately the market that decides the fate for the rest of us as essentially the studios end up backing the market leader in their home country.

It will need Sony to come up with a clever marketing plan to sell the PS3 in the states to win as at the moment the sales are very poor.

Where did you get that info from?

Blu Ray is leading approx 65/35 for this year in the US.
http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/11/26/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/
#22
I don't care which one wins. I'll just continue to use may laptop to download the hd rips and display them on my TV until the war is won by one or the other.
[mod]#23
gd_miester
Where did you get that info from?

Blu Ray is leading approx 65/35 for this year in the US.
http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/11/26/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/


Some site off google. But then again........look at about 4 sites and they all tell you something different.

Depends on who gives them the most dollars i suppose.
#24
gari189
The thing is though (and you're probably too young to remember this sonny - god I feel old!!) when they brought out CDs. All the shops, music producers etc said how robust CDs were (they couldn't be scratched - so they said at the time) and they gave superior sound quality (although decent hi-fi decks playing unscratched records were better).

It was just a con for you to get you to shell it for the same music in a different format.

Yeah - and I have now circa 400 cds (lets say consrvative £3K) and a nice system (circa £700) - all of which are now are condensed in a gadget the size of a mobile phone (ipod):cry:

This just seems to be the same fight over betamax/vhs (yes still got betamax player in loft!) ; tape/vinyl ; vinyl/cd ; vhs/dvd ; CRT/lcd ; lcd/Plasma.... Eventually one will lose and the technology advances.
#25
simon0w
I don't care which one wins. I'll just continue to use may laptop to download the hd rips and display them on my TV until the war is won by one or the other.

Hypothetically speaking...where would one find such sites...erm in order to block the kids from accessing them?
#26
Do you have experience of using bittorrent?
#27
Rockhound
Hypothetically speaking...where would one find such sites...erm in order to block the kids from accessing them?


Have a look in this thread, it's a useful guide to torrents

http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51845
#28
You'll then need to find a private tracker with a large selection of hd material. Although most files you'll see for TV programs like Lost or Heroes say HDTV in the description they are usually just capped from an HD source. So when you see the 300mb files they're not HD. 700mb are a bit better. 1.1gb and larger are the real deal.
#29
barneydog
Have a look in this thread, it's a useful guide to torrents

http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51845

Thanks barney/simon/sy......I think I am showing age and ability on a computer. :oops:
[mod]#30
Rockhound
Thanks barney/simon/sy......I think I am showing age and ability on a computer. :oops:


You spelt it wrong..............it's liability. ;-) :giggle:
#31
Syzable
You spelt it wrong..............it's liability. ;-) :giggle:

Thanks sy...you are absolutely right!:giggle:
#32
gd_miester
The film is ment to be grainy :thumbsup:

whats the point in releasing it in HD if its going the grainy? :-D



in this one instance, i couldnt see a difference between HD and SD
#33
fitzybhoy
tbh, i prefer HD DVD.

watched 300 last night on blu-ray and the picture was VERY grainy.

grrrrr.



Strangely enough, I had the exact opposite experience. I saw 300 on HD DVD and wasn't that impressed so I tried pirates 3 on blu ray and got blown away. I assumed this was because I can only get 1080i out of the 360 at the moment and the ps3 cranking out 1080p. I'm waiting for MS to send me my 5 free HD DVDs to give a better comparison of the two formats.

Seems like 300 is not a good example of HD for either format
#34
Magic_Dave
Strangely enough, I had the exact opposite experience. I saw 300 on HD DVD and wasn't that impressed so I tried pirates 3 on blu ray and got blown away. I assumed this was because I can only get 1080i out of the 360 at the moment and the ps3 cranking out 1080p. I'm waiting for MS to send me my 5 free HD DVDs to give a better comparison of the two formats.

Seems like 300 is not a good example of HD for either format

i've got spiderman 3 on blu-ray

the scene were peter uses harrys bomb on him is very grainy.

dont know why, the rest of the movie is fine, just this one scene.
#35
Some more info about the format wars on the BBC website
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/7118822.stm

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