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BMX @ the Olympics will be the hardest tickets to get, apparently. Oh dear.

kingy58 Avatar
5y, 7m agoPosted 5 years, 7 months ago
Olympic Ticket Ballot: What Are Your Chances?

Well, the curtain has come down on the first window of ticket buying opportunity for London 2012 and, as the dust settles and people see more clearly what they might be about to do to their bank balances (one family on the radio yesterday stand to cough up over £22,000) the question on most balloteers lips is, “What are my chances of getting what I’ve ordered?”

Having spent a couple of days pondering what Twitter and Facebook told us about people’s choices on Sunday night, we’ve grown more confident that that’s a plausible barometer of British public interest in tickets for the various events, but, of course, there’s much more to the whole story. If 70,000 people apply across the price bands for any given athletics session you can get them in comfortably, but if the same number apply for the two trampolining sessions then at least 30,000 of them are bound to be disappointed (some might “win” twice). So, we added in venue size as a variable and gave numeric values to the messaging interest shown in our first article and that changed things round a bit. As an example, the appetite for both athletics and track cycling is clearly ferocious, but the velodrome has less than a tenth of the seats of the Olympic stadium, which caused cycling to register as the third hardest event to get tickets for.

However, this basically assumed each sport only had one event, when most have many more than that. That said, we’re sensing that people are not using this ballot as a chance to snap up preliminary round volleyball tickets. When punters say, “I’ve put in to see a bit of the gymnastics and some swimming,” we believe they usually mean they’ve taken a chance on grabbing some seats for a session with at least one medal to be won. If our hunch is right, we should add in to our calculations how many medal sessions there are for any given sport, on the assumption that not everybody applying for the rowing wants to see exactly the same final (we’ll come to Usain Bolt later).

So, taking a pinch of salt in one hand, we present with the other our updated list of what we believe to be the likelihood, ticket for ticket, that you’ll be successful in an application for one session of any particular sport. And the winner of the London 2012 Olympic gold medal for the hardest ticket to get is…

BMX!

Almost as many people suggest they’re applying for these as for the athletics, but there are only 18,000 tickets available in total over three sessions and we’re guessing there aren’t that many takers for the “seeding phase runs”. If you win one of these, for goodness sake cling onto it. You had less chance of getting it than one of the £20.12 tickets for the opening ceremony. So what sports get silver and bronze…?

Mountain Biking
Triathlon

The issue here is not watching the event at all, as there is free general admission to both, it’s that people seem to be applying for grandstand tickets and there are only 3,000 available at either Hadleigh Farm in Essex or Hyde Park. Just outside the medal positions we find, to nobody’s great surprise…

Opening Ceremony
Closing Ceremony

We’ve worked on the assumption here that almost everyone has applied on the off-chance for the very cheap tickets, which brings the capacity down to, for the sake of argument, 16,000. And, of course, there’s only one of each event. Your chances of pulling off that speculative punt on the 100m final tickets are probably about the same. There’s a gap in probability before the next quartet:

Beach Volleyball
Water Polo
Boxing
Cycling – Track

Beach Volleyball could be in a false position here because it’s one of the events where people seem genuinely keen just see it at all and aren’t so bothered about watching the medals being decided (two sessions only). Water polo is here because it has the smallest capacity, at 5,000, of any “proper” Olympic site. There’s lots of boxing to go around but also lots of people wanting to watch it and track cycling is saved from a higher placing because there are 6 medal sessions. After these there’s another gap before we get to…

Archery
Badminton
Handball
Basketball

Basketball has far and away more demand than its neighbours here, but it also has, at 12,000 even before the big final across in North Greenwich, twice as big a venue. Heading to mid-table we find…

Table Tennis
Taekwondo
Hockey
Judo
Wrestling

Four of these are based in the Excel (as is the boxing), where the five halls can be configured to suit demand. Hockey is more popular, but like the basketball has its own, larger dedicated centre. The next three sports also benefit from large venues:

Volleyball
Synchronised Swimming
Equestrian

The conventional volleyball, hinted at on the Guardian website as a potential slow seller, is at Earls Court, the Synchronised Swimming takes over from Adlington et al in the 17,500 seater Aquatics centre and the Equestrian events, despite high demand, have five medal sessions playing to 23,000 spectators at a time in Greenwich Park. The next three contains a pair that’s hard to quantify:

Fencing
Tennis
Rowing

For tennis, we’ve gone with ground entry capacity of 30,000, which is the £20 ticket we think many are going for, but they’re not available after the quarters and obviously capacities for Centre and No. 1 court are much tighter. Eton Dorney is another of those venues where general admission will be available, and again 30,000 is the quoted capacity, but we wonder how much rowing you’ll get to see if you don’t buy an actual seat, which many seem to be doing. Fencing, although popular on the continent and tucked away in the Excel, offers so many medal sessions you’d have to be a bit upset if you turned up and some weren’t given out. And then suddenly, at just below half way on the scale of difficulty to obtain, three London 2012 behemoths suddenly hove into view:

Gymnastics (Artistic/General)
Diving
Swimming

We had to blink and look twice, too. If the demand curve is actually linear (as we’ve basically assumed) rather than exponential (as it might be), then this position is right as they can all seat 17-20,000 spectators at any one of at least seven medal sessions. Obviously, if it’s Tom Daley you’ve really got to see, then your chances are back at Usain Bolt levels. Now we tack into the top 10 of ticket easiness with:

Sailing
Weightlifting
Football

Taken overall, football ought to be a lot lower than this as we suspect you’ll still be able to walk up to a lot of the preliminary games in Coventry, Newcastle, etc on the day itself, but we think when people say “I’ve applied for some football,” they mean something at Wembley, and probably either of the two finals. Sailing is quite popular, but has plenty of medal days and 17,400 seats to fill while weighlifting, perhaps suitably, offers the most opportunities to raise something metallic over your head with a mighty 15 medal sessions. The next two events could actually be amongst the best spectacles on offer:

Canoe Slalom
Modern Pentathlon

The brand new Lee Valley canoeing centre in Hertfordshire (as excellently described only days ago by Diamond Geezer) is holding a visual and visceral feast of an event that somehow seems to have generated little buzz so far, while the Modern Pentathlon could offer British medals in exciting finishes in front of the 23,000 seats in Greenwich Park left over from the main equestrian events. The tickets that let you follow the whole day including fencing and swimming looked good value, too. Into the top five in your chances of getting what you wanted it’s:

Canoe Sprint
Rhythmic Gymnastics

If you love the idea of picknicking at Eton Dorney, but with plenty of room to enjoy your spread then these were the tickets to go for. Rhythmic gymnastics is a tricky one to judge demand for because people say they’ve applied for “the gymnastics” without specifiying whether they meant the conventional, Olga Korbut style version, or this derivation employing hoops and ribbons. We’ve assumed, especially since it’s been sent to the opposite corner of London in Wembley Arena with the badminton, that unless people specifically mentioned the term “rhythmic” they were thinking more of parallel bars and vaulting horses. However, according to inital post-ballot reports, our messaging-based premise could be capsized in this case as it is suggested rhythmic gymnastics sales have been bolstered by local clubs applying en masse for a special day out. So then, in bronze medal position for the tickets you are most likely to get, be amazed that the answer is…

Athletics!

We’re back to the linear vs exponential demand thing again, but for anyone wanting that once in a lifetime Olympic Stadium experience there are nine medal sessions and a bunch of morning heats. Assuming demand below insanity and that people have generally spread their bids out a bit you probably stand a much better chance of getting into the athletics than you think you do. If absolutely everybody has gone for category E the stadium seating plans could be interesting come next August, though. The silver medal goes to:

Trampolining

Again, part of the gymnastics family and there are only two sessions, but, rarely for the Olympics, they see first the men and then the women both compete from qualifiers straight through to medals in the space of a couple of neck craning hours in the North Greenwich arena which holds 20,000. But the gold medal for tickets you’re most likely to get has to be, by some distance:

Shooting

Unlike older cousin archery, which seems to have generated momentum through being at Lord’s Cricket Ground, shooting, which offers 13 medal sessions down at the 7,500 seater Royal Artillery Barracks, seems at this moment to be London 2012′s forgotten event. If you’ve applied for this, not only do you appear near certain to get in, there’s an outside chance they might ask you to hold the ammunition while the competitors reload. Don’t fall for that old one about fetching the targets back, though. Those pellets can be terrible to get out of denim.
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#1
jeez-Im amazed! Ive applied for a lot of bmx tickets-my son is a crazy keen bmxer-I thought it would be one of the easier ones to get! If he could just see ONE session he would be happy so fingers crossed!
banned#2
Why bother with the ballot?

Just auction off the tickets for the highest prices and make as much of a return as possible.
banned#3
Chavs saved up all there paper round money to buy a ticket
suspended#4
MP's and all their cronies will have had their free share first.
#5
FilthAndFurry
Why bother with the ballot?

Just auction off the tickets for the highest prices and make as much of a return as possible.

That's how it would have been done if Ticketmaster had been involved. Offer them at face value for 30 secs then pull them and sell them all through your own subsidiary company Getmein at double the price plus a huge handling fee. It's a scandal how they are allowed to operate.
#6
yet ticketmaster complain about touts.... they are the touts!
#7
Wow

Tl;dr

BMX is awesome though. Watched it during last olympics loads of people crashing and was fast paced. Plus there was an Australian competitor who's name was simply 'KAMIKAZE' how awesome lol
#8
one family on the radio yesterday stand to cough up over £22,000

Which family would that be then, the Royal Family? Who in their right mind would bid up to £22k worth of tickets knowing you can’t get a refund if you over-purchased until next year?! oO
banned#9
matt3454
yet ticketmaster complain about touts.... they are the touts!


They sell tickets at the price the market will bear whilst maximising profit.

What's the problem?
#10
Interesting though that BMX is not mentioned as one of the sports that needs to go to a ballot on the London2012 website. The press release says that "Track Cycling, Rhythmic Gymnastics, Triathlon, Modern Pentathlon, Equestrian (cross country) and both ceremonies become London 2012’s first sell out events in this initial public application process and will go to ballot, as will the majority of the sessions in Swimming and Tennis."
Perhaps those wanting to go to BMX won't find it too bad.
#11
FilthAndFurry
matt3454
yet ticketmaster complain about touts.... they are the touts!

They sell tickets at the price the market will bear whilst maximising profit.

What's the problem?
You think it's reasonable to agree with Artists to be the sole source of tickets, then not make them all available at face value prices but sell them through your own subsidiary company at double the price? It's just as shady a practice as that used by spivs and the sooner someone brings in the OFT the better.
#12
fluffyundacrakas
one family on the radio yesterday stand to cough up over £22,000


Which family would that be then, the Royal Family? Who in their right mind would bid up to £22k worth of tickets knowing you can’t get a refund if you over-purchased until next year?! oO


People with an interest in the Olympics?
People that have enough extra cash to not give a crap about £22k?
People that know they can sell the tickets back if they don't want to keep them all?

I'm just speculating.
banned#13
kingy58
FilthAndFurry
matt3454
yet ticketmaster complain about touts.... they are the touts!


They sell tickets at the price the market will bear whilst maximising profit.

What's the problem?

You think it's reasonable to agree with Artists to be the sole source of tickets, then not make them all available at face value prices but sell them through your own subsidiary company at double the price? It's just as shady a practice as that used by spivs and the sooner someone brings in the OFT the better.


That's awful.Where did you learn that from, I wouldn't mind reading about it.Rip off ****!
banned#14
kingy58
FilthAndFurry
matt3454
yet ticketmaster complain about touts.... they are the touts!


They sell tickets at the price the market will bear whilst maximising profit.

What's the problem?

You think it's reasonable to agree with Artists to be the sole source of tickets, then not make them all available at face value prices but sell them through your own subsidiary company at double the price? It's just as shady a practice as that used by spivs and the sooner someone brings in the OFT the better.


They're not ripping anyone off and the fans who want the tickets will get them.

It's capitalism dear.
#15
Work has some corporate tickets, we were all asked which events pepole wished to attend, predictably people choose the popular athletics events . I put my name down for beach volleyball, the finest sport on the planet bar non.

I saw the finals a few years back in San Diego, USA v Brazil. Why on earth anyone would watch football is beyond me.
#16
patience_1
Interesting though that BMX is not mentioned as one of the sports that needs to go to a ballot on the London2012 website. The press release says that "Track Cycling, Rhythmic Gymnastics, Triathlon, Modern Pentathlon, Equestrian (cross country) and both ceremonies become London 2012’s first sell out events in this initial public application process and will go to ballot, as will the majority of the sessions in Swimming and Tennis."
Perhaps those wanting to go to BMX won't find it too bad.


Wow - Notice Athletics isn't included in that list...
#17
FilthAndFurry
kingy58
FilthAndFurry
matt3454
yet ticketmaster complain about touts.... they are the touts!

They sell tickets at the price the market will bear whilst maximising profit.

What's the problem?
You think it's reasonable to agree with Artists to be the sole source of tickets, then not make them all available at face value prices but sell them through your own subsidiary company at double the price? It's just as shady a practice as that used by spivs and the sooner someone brings in the OFT the better.

They're not ripping anyone off and the fans who want the tickets will get them.

It's capitalism dear.
You aren't PM yet, so leave the patronising to him. How can you say they aren't ripping anyone off?
Genuine fans and genuine fan clubs are the ones complaining about this the loudest.
#18
greatest666
kingy58
FilthAndFurry
matt3454
yet ticketmaster complain about touts.... they are the touts!

They sell tickets at the price the market will bear whilst maximising profit.

What's the problem?
You think it's reasonable to agree with Artists to be the sole source of tickets, then not make them all available at face value prices but sell them through your own subsidiary company at double the price? It's just as shady a practice as that used by spivs and the sooner someone brings in the OFT the better.

That's awful.Where did you learn that from, I wouldn't mind reading about it.Rip off ****!
There have been threads on here in the past about it. Go onto Ticketmaster's website and try and buy concert or show tickets and then go to Getmein's website, a Ticketmaster company and the same tickets that you couldn't get before are often available there at much higher prices plus a hefty handling charge.
banned#19
kingy58
FilthAndFurry
kingy58
FilthAndFurry
matt3454
yet ticketmaster complain about touts.... they are the touts!


They sell tickets at the price the market will bear whilst maximising profit.

What's the problem?

You think it's reasonable to agree with Artists to be the sole source of tickets, then not make them all available at face value prices but sell them through your own subsidiary company at double the price? It's just as shady a practice as that used by spivs and the sooner someone brings in the OFT the better.


They're not ripping anyone off and the fans who want the tickets will get them.

It's capitalism dear.

You aren't PM yet, so leave the patronising to him. How can you say they aren't ripping anyone off?
Genuine fans and genuine fan clubs are the ones complaining about this the loudest.


The 'genuine fans' should buy them as soon as they go on sale.
#20
This is from the BBC Watchdog site here

Tick-ed off with Ticket master?
Post categories: Watchdog

Elham rizi | 10:19 UK time, Thursday, 14 October 2010


Kylie Minogue, Westlife, Sting, Robbie Williams. Just some of the big names selling tickets for gigs this year through the leading online ticket company, Ticketmaster. But many of their tickets are being bought up and then re-sold within minutes of them going on sale, at vastly inflated prices.


(Do you have something to say about this story? Tell us what you think by emailing us here. Don't forget to include 'Ticket Master in the subject line. Watchdog will publish a selection of viewers' comments underneath each story, both throughout and after the programme is on air. Please remember to include your name as you would like to see it published).

This profiteering isn't happening on any random auction site. It's actually happening on Ticketmaster's own partner site, Getmein.com. And for every ticket that's resold there, Getmein take a sizable percentage.

Watchdog wanted to see how quickly tickets sold through Ticketmaster appeared on Getmein. We knew that the first tickets to James Blunt's forthcoming tour were going on sale at 9am on 22nd September, so on that morning our researchers set up two computers. One was logged on to the Ticketmaster pre-sale site, the other, getmein.com.

For an hour, our researcher kept trying to buy a ticket through Ticketmaster, but the site just kept saying none was available. However, in less than half an hour, tickets to the concert were appearing on getmein.com. The most expensive one was a £30 seat, listed for almost £150. It appeared that some people were buying up tickets with just one intention; to make a profit.

Ticket touts have always been with us, the difference is now they don't have to operate on street corners anymore. Ticketmaster, through its subsidiary website Getmein, is giving them the means to do it from the comfort of their own homes. And Getmein make a tidy profit in the process.

Ticketmaster's an American company that's grown by paying to become the main provider of tickets for live events. It now sells around 150 million tickets in 20 different countries each year. Not just for popular music shows, but classical concerts, stand-up acts and some of the biggest international sporting events. But it's pop and rock artists that attract the biggest trade.

We met Barbara Cowlard, a lifelong Rod Stewart fan who has been to many of his concerts spanning the last four decades. When new 2010 UK tour dates at the London O2 arena were announced, Barbara made special arrangements to come in late at work to ensure she was ready to buy tickets the morning that they went on sale in late November 2009. Despite being ready with phone and laptop the moment they went on sale, within minutes she found that all of the seats had been sold, apart from less desirable tickets high up and at the back of the stadium. Within 20 minutes though, she found plenty of tickets for sale on Getmein and other secondary ticketing sites priced at 3 or 4 times the face value.

Barbara was dismayed, but didn't give up. When two further tour dates were announced, she tried again. But each time, she faced the same problem. Naturally, Barbara was very upset:

"I was positively tearful, which is not like me at all. But I was so angry that they were doing this to fans. That the fans couldn't get the tickets that they wanted unless they were prepared to spend an exorbitant amount."

Ticketmaster say their Getmein site is a marketplace where genuine fans can buy unwanted tickets at a fair price. It says it's preferable to fans having to deal with touts. But if it's allowing people to re-sell tickets within seconds of buying them, at massively inflated prices, what's the difference? And what's the company doing to stop them? Not enough - there's absolutely nothing to stop you buying your ticket on Ticketmaster or any other site, and then listing it straight away on Getmein.com for whatever price you choose. There's no cap on the prices that can be charged.

Although Ticketmaster does limit the number of tickets any one person can buy, the problem persists. We found a Sting ticket priced at an unbelievable £1,208. A top ticket to see opera singer Andrea Bocelli could set you back £1760, and if you wanted one of the best seats for Kylie Minogue's upcoming tour, you could pay 16 times face value at £1868.90. And because Getmein takes a percentage, the more these tickets sell for, the more money it makes them.

But Getmein were also prepared to allow a trade in tickets to the charity concert 'Help for Heroes' at Twickenham in September. Tom Jones, Pixie Lott and Robbie all performed for free at the event, but hundreds of people were listing tickets to the concert on Getmein with a sizable mark-up. They stood to make a profit, as did Getmein who generally take 10% on the list price, and another 15% when the transaction is completed. Getmein say that they donated a proportion of their fees from the re-sale of Help for Heroes tickets to the charity.

The 'Help for Heroes' concert was staged by entertainment company Live Nation, a company that merged with Ticketmaster earlier this year. But the terms and conditions on the back of the Live Nation Help for Heroes tickets state that you are not permitted to resell them in the course of business or for a profit. Because we found this confusing, we called Ticketmaster, posing as a customer, and they told us that we could sell the ticket for a profit on Getmein for example, but if a Ticketmaster ticket was found on Ebay, and priced excessively, it could be cancelled.

So, Live Nation, a company that's merged with Ticketmaster says you can't re-sell the 'Help for Heroes' tickets for a profit, yet Getmein, a wholly owned subsidiary of Ticketmaster gives customers the means to do just that. But you can't sell the ticket for a profit on Ebay. Not exactly a consistent policy!

Of course, there's nothing illegal in what Getmein or Ticketmaster are doing, and people are perfectly free to resell as many concert tickets as they want for as much as they like. Secondary ticket sites clearly have a purpose, especially if you have a ticket you can no longer make use of. But if tickets are being purchased by some, solely to be re-sold immediately, aren't true fans losing out?

Watchdog asked the artists whose concert tickets were being resold for a profit on Getmein for their views.
#21
FilthAndFurry

The 'genuine fans' should buy them as soon as they go on sale.


But the term 'genuine fans' doesn't equate to 'genuinely rich'.

Stadiums would be filled by people with names such as Sebastian or Ralph. Whilst it would kill off the chance of chavs attending, the atmosphere would also be killed.


Edited By: mr.potato_head on Apr 28, 2011 17:01
banned#22
kingy58

Of course, there's nothing illegal in what Getmein or Ticketmaster are doing,


Plus that 'Barbara' should have got one of the presale tickets.
#23
It'll serve Barbara right for being a Rod Stewart fan.
#24
I don't think its ticketmaster, but the champions league final tickets take the biscuit. The tickets range from £80 (wheelchair)/£150 normal all the way up to £300. Fair enough, its a pinnicle event for the sport, but they charge a £26 handling fee! WTF are they doing with my tickets to charge £26?
#25
FilthAndFurry
kingy58
FilthAndFurry
matt3454
yet ticketmaster complain about touts.... they are the touts!


They sell tickets at the price the market will bear whilst maximising profit.

What's the problem?

You think it's reasonable to agree with Artists to be the sole source of tickets, then not make them all available at face value prices but sell them through your own subsidiary company at double the price? It's just as shady a practice as that used by spivs and the sooner someone brings in the OFT the better.


They're not ripping anyone off and the fans who want the tickets will get them.

It's capitalism dear.

The capitalism part is setting the price of tickets at point of purchase the acts by ticketmaster/getmein is tantamount to abuse of powrr, profiteering and a breach of t&c's as most include no resale of ticket.

BTW applied for football, athletics and opening ceremony so should have good chance of getting 2 out of 3

Edited By: Marty1981 on Apr 28, 2011 22:54
#26
how do you apply for tickets?
#27
roadie
how do you apply for tickets?

Quite simple buy a delorian get hold of a flux capacitor and punch in 26th of April.

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