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Boiler pressure - Quick help!!

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7y, 11m agoPosted 7 years, 11 months ago
Help! My boiler pressure in my rental keeps dropping so I adjusted it as usual via the screw but turned it too far back and then screwdriver head slipped off screw so now pressure sitting just over 3 so water drippingout boiler and its now dripping through a couple of screw holes in roof below! How is it i drain out water - is it by opening the feeder pipe so water comes out - tried that but it squirts out at odd angles and didnt seem to do much with pressure dial so shut it again...Iknow I need landlord to get it looked at but she was suppposed to reschedule checkup - its just awkward as she hasnt told gas company she rents...anyone know quick fix as i have to go out to CAB again today for my housing benefit backdating appeal and am behind with my rent!

had to do it cos pressure had dropped down to 0 so no heating and house was freezaing - was going to do it at weekend before it dropped this low and forgot...
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7y, 11m agoPosted 7 years, 11 months ago
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#1
Just let the pressure out via the bleed screws on one the rads, use a bowl.

edit.. make sure you have turned the feed to boiler back to off.
#2
Meangreenie
Just let the pressure out via the bleed screws on one the rads, use a bowl.


:thumbsup:

Or if you check at the lowest point you should find a run off valve that you can put a pipe on to drain it.

Looks like this btw....

https://supreme1.sslpowered.com/imgs/HEP20_DRAINCOCK_BRASS.jpg
#3
Dont have a radiator screw (well do but a triangle one and these are square) - will it be okay to leave it till i manage to get one when I am out today - landlord didnt leave me one,and toddlers will be out with my little sister...at moment they think its quite funny sitting on sofa with a thick blanket over them as it obviously went off last night and with the frost etc (Scotland) overnight its blinking freezing...not as cold as when I was a kidwith no central heating with the windows iced up inside, but colder than they are used to!
#4
Will see if I can see, have a shelf below boiler between it and tank so makes it awkward to get into anything- would that be what the feeder pipe fits to?
#5
Is there a manual pressure relief valve?

Follow the pipe that goes outside to an open end, this is probbaly the pressure relief pipe.

Trace that back to the pressure relief valve, it may have a manual override, ours does.
#6
greg_68
Is there a manual pressure relief valve?

Follow the pipe that goes outside to an open end, this is probbaly the pressure relief pipe.

Trace that back to the pressure relief valve, it may have a manual override, ours does.


Will have to look up a manual on internet as dont have one and cant seem to find the page I bookmarked last time and landlord didnt tell me anything about it when I moved in...
#7
Update - I got the radiator key and bled all the radiators. screwed up with the first one as couldnt remember which way I had turned with kids asking me 101 questions so the valve bit shot out and had a water pistol for 5 mins till i found it, calmed the kids down and got it back in which left a lot of mopping and carpet drying. Anyway, pressure didnt drop. left it thinking it would drop in a few days as it has been loosing pressure anyway but seems to have kept it and the towel I hadin the floor of the cupboard has obvioulsy got as wet as it can get cos woke up this morning to water dripping in the hall through the door frame.....

Have had a look and the lowest point that looks like Shengis says is just before the hot tank. the square screw is took big for radiator key but it turns slightly by hand but no water comes out pipe. There are the 3 pipes going into boiler, 2 with black turn on\off switches and one ith yello - guessing black is water and yellow gas....am going back up to see if I can spot anything else, and get make of boiler....
#8
Got a digital camera? A picture paints a thousand words ;-)
banned#9
make and model of boiler would be a good start, have you turned off the water feed to the boiler? ooops just noticed this was two days ago, you do know your loandlord is responsible for this
#10
Found a red dial along from the pipe to outside which said 3 bar with an arrow going anticlockwise. Turned it till pressure went to 1.5 and at moment the water is pouring out the overflow outside...the boiler still has some water coming out at the seems though...will this stop when it gets rid of the excess water!? Once I dry it all out will I be able to use it? Hear sound as though boiler is filling up...is it okay to turn that dial? can I leave it where it is now? Boiler is a Vokera Mynute 14se

Is the water sound just because all the water is going straight out the overflow?
banned#11
so its been 20 minutes has everything stopped now? not getting much help from google at mo
banned#12
download a user manual from here http://www.vokera.co.uk/discontinued.asp
#13
Spoke to a mate and he says to turn the red dial back to where it was. have doen this and water stopped flowing out the overflow outside! He says it may just be a sticky valve as all that water gushing out the downstairs radiator when valve bit unscrewed should have dropped pressure down....Am just leaving it where it all is just now and will leave it switched off as the boiler is still dripping water out it.....must be something to do with pressure but stuck it on for a boost when I went to bed last night as house was freezing so guess that boost caused it to leak worse or the towels were too wet as my hall carpet downstairs is soaked where it leaked through door frame - thats stopped but did put fresh towels down in cupboard so maybe once they get wet enough will start again!

I bought a ceramic heater a few weeks ago so can use that for the kids and just get them a fresh duvet for sitting watching tv - youngest poured her juice all over last one...just hoping shower works - its electric!

Then once the council sort out my rent appeal and my rent gets up to date can get landlord to get someone out to fix the boiler...was due a service before but she wrote wrong date on and I was out when she phoned and told me they were at door and she hasnt rescheduled yet...and that was end september I think...
banned#14
this has nothing to do with you being behind with your rent, get your landlord out asap, if it is over a year since last service your landlord can get int serious bother

I have just found the user manula for you, at least have a look through it to see if you have left it in a stable condition, you really shouldnt be messin with stuff when you havent got a clue what your doing hun
#15
sassie
this has nothing to do with you being behind with your rent, get your landlord out asap, if it is over a year since last service your landlord can get int serious bother

I have just found the user manula for you, at least have a look through it to see if you have left it in a stable condition, you really shouldnt be messin with stuff when you havent got a clue what your doing hun


:thumbsup: agreed sassie, if it was me it would be totally shut off. Water leaking from a boiler is trying to tell you something.
banned#16
greg_68
:thumbsup: agreed sassie, if it was me it would be totally shut off. Water leaking from a boiler is trying to tell you something.


if she has left the water supply going into the boiler open shes gonna end up in a right mess,
#17
sassie
if she has left the water supply going into the boiler open shes gonna end up in a right mess,


it doesn't seem to worry her that there is water dripping everywhere.......ticking timebomb....literally.
#18
You say the pressure keeps dropping and you adjusted it as usual via the screw - I would be more worried about why it keeps dropping in the first place.

Sounds like you have a leak somewhere as that is the usual reason for the pressure to drop repeatedly.

Get the landlord/lady to get a heating engineer out and reschedule your boiler service straight away and stop tinkering yourself - carbon monoxide levels also need to be annually checked.
banned#19
sassie;3729445
this has nothing to do with you being behind with your rent, get your landlord out asap, if it is over a year since last service your landlord can get int serious bother

I have just found the user manula for you, at least have a look through it to see if you have left it in a stable condition, you really shouldnt be messin with stuff when you havent got a clue what your doing hun

Totally agree. The OP should not be messing about with boilers etc when she clearly hasnt got a clue. It is dangerous for her and her kids.

Just ring the landlord and say if they dont get someone to fix it then they will call out BG and then get the bill.
banned#20
Den38;3729587
You say the pressure keeps dropping and you adjusted it as usual via the screw - I would be more worried about why it keeps dropping in the first place.

Sounds like you have a leak somewhere as that is the usual reason for the pressure to drop repeatedly.

Get the landlord/lady to get a heating engineer out and reschedule your boiler service straight away and stop tinkering yourself - carbon monoxide levels also need to be annually checked.

She has said the seams around the boiler are leaking when she opens the water feed. Surprised it hasnt shorted out and the OP got an electric shock! DANGEROUS STUFF! :w00t:
#21
Yeah I know but am pulling myself out of depression\stress and the lady I speak to from CAB isnt in till Monday. I cant do phone calls. Will check manual and find out where to switch water off then just leave boiler off till I get it fixed once rent up to date...just wish my landlord gave me an email address...can do emails fine..Guess my birthday will be a cold one tomorrow....
banned#22
I hate to sound harsh but if you dont do something you wont need to be pulling yourself out of anything
#23
csiman
She has said the seams around the boiler are leaking when she opens the water feed. Surprised it hasnt shorted out and the OP got an electric shock! DANGEROUS STUFF! :w00t:


No the seams are leaking I guess since pressure went up to 3...Am away to check mnauals once I feed my toddlers.
banned 1 Like #24
nikkiandmidgets
No the seams are leaking I guess since pressure went up to 3...Am away to check mnauals once I feed my toddlers.


Jesus christ :roll:
#25
Will see if I can move in with one of my sisters as I cant do phone calls. tried at CAB and failed miserably with a call to council. Maybe if I am so useless I should get their dad or social services to take them?? sounds like thats what people on here think.
banned#26
nikkiandmidgets;3729692
Yeah I know but am pulling myself out of depression\stress and the lady I speak to from CAB isnt in till Monday. I cant do phone calls. Will check manual and find out where to switch water off then just leave boiler off till I get it fixed once rent up to date...just wish my landlord gave me an email address...can do emails fine..Guess my birthday will be a cold one tomorrow....

so you are going to try and get by with your kids in sub-zero temperatures for the next few days (minimum)? Am I the only one who finds that slightly disturbing? :thinking:

Surely you must know someone who can chase the landlord for you?
banned#27
nikkiandmidgets;3729748
Will see if I can move in with one of my sisters as I cant do phone calls. tried at CAB and failed miserably with a call to council. Maybe if I am so useless I should get their dad or social services to take them?? sounds like thats what people on here think.

why not just get your sister to ring the landlord for you?

How did you manage to call the council then? :?
#28
I phoned up with the cab woman standing beside me at cab office but had to hand over phone to her.

And when i was a kid we didnt have central heating - managed fine with radiators and heaters, even with windows that iced up in inside and I bet I am not the only person that remembers living like that. I have a heater and can ensure the room the kids are in is warm, and am taking steps to getting the water turned off for feed to boiler.

I only noticed the drip downstairs this morning and first thought it was a drip from one of the pipes. When I unscrewed the boiler cover saw it was coming from the seams. The towel was on the floor cos I had tried to vent out water at pipe in boiler cupboard and some had dripped on floor at back before I shut it again cos it wasnt releasing pressure. I dont habitually unscrew my boiler cover to see whats happening inside and I bet that a lot of people hardly ever check their boiler unless it stops working or develops a fault. It is only since this morning I noticed the seams leaking and I am guessing it was from when the pressure went up as seems only logical reason.

I turned the pressure blow out valve cos one guy said to follow the pipe from outside to the boiler and that there may be a manual valve there - thats what he does. i have switched the boiler to the 0 position and turned off the thermostat, now I just need to turn off water to the boiler by whatever method it says in manual.
banned#29
nikkiandmidgets;3729890
I phoned up with the cab woman standing beside me at cab office but had to hand over phone to her.

And when i was a kid we didnt have central heating - managed fine with radiators and heaters, even with windows that iced up in inside and I bet I am not the only person that remembers living like that. I have a heater and can ensure the room the kids are in is warm, and am taking steps to getting the water turned off for feed to boiler.

I only noticed the drip downstairs this morning and first thought it was a drip from one of the pipes. When I unscrewed the boiler cover saw it was coming from the seams. The towel was on the floor cos I had tried to vent out water at pipe in boiler cupboard and some had dripped on floor at back before I shut it again cos it wasnt releasing pressure. I dont habitually unscrew my boiler cover to see whats happening inside and I bet that a lot of people hardly ever check their boiler unless it stops working or develops a fault. It is only since this morning I noticed the seams leaking and I am guessing it was from when the pressure went up as seems only logical reason.

I turned the pressure blow out valve cos one guy said to follow the pipe from outside to the boiler and that there may be a manual valve there - thats what he does. i have switched the boiler to the 0 position and turned off the thermostat, now I just need to turn off water to the boiler by whatever method it says in manual.

you have actually broken the law removing the boiler cover (unless you are corgi trained). Seriously, surely someone can phone the landlord for you. Stop messing with it as you will more than likely make things worse which the landlord will be within his rights to charge you for. It may sound harsh but you really shouldnt mess with things you do not understand, especially where electricity and gas are concerned.
#30
Have text a corgi\plumbers mobile number i got from local paper to ask if he can shut off water and power to boiler as cant be sure from manual and this house is a bit of a diy disaster with sockets on sideways and wiring all over the place. guy has text back - he is busy but says he will come round at tea time and have a look for me. At least can get it switched off till I get someone to contact my landlord for me....

sorry if I was bit erratic earlier - kids were playing up and realised I was getting quite stressed so decided best thing to do was have a 5 minute time out and a cup of coffee to calm down and get me able to think rationally.
#31
csiman
you have actually broken the law removing the boiler cover (unless you are corgi trained). Seriously, surely someone can phone the landlord for you. Stop messing with it as you will more than likely make things worse which the landlord will be within his rights to charge you for. It may sound harsh but you really shouldnt mess with things you do not understand, especially where electricity and gas are concerned.


Oh didnt realise thought would have been the main case that you werent allowed to take off- on our last boiler my ex removed the bottom cover so he could fill boiler easily cos thats where it was located but that was a smaller flap. I have raised the bottom flap and screwed it back in - just wanted to find out where water was coming from as wasnt sure if it was a pipe or the boiler.
#32
Do you not know anyone with even a minimal grasp of......well anything.

Anyone should know how to electrically isolate the boiler and turn off the water supply (preferably in that order)

IMO I don't think you should go anywhere near it as it seems to be getting worse the harder you try.

You must have a male friend with at least an idea.
banned#33
turn your mains water supply off
#34
greg_68
Do you not know anyone with even a minimal grasp of......well anything.

Anyone should know how to electrically isolate the boiler and turn off the water supply (preferably in that order)

IMO I don't think you should go anywhere near it as it seems to be getting worse the harder you try.

You must have a male friend with at least an idea.


Only person i know is my ex who is in japan and my brother who is in army. Cant see obvious electrical switch off, have switched electric off at switch beside thermostat but not sure if that is enough. Just text my sister and passed on landlords number so she is going to phone when she gets a chance. Away to fill kettle and will then switch off mains water.

And BTW I think its a little rude to assume a guy could do any better. I switched that mains switch off immediately I saw the leak but as I am not sure if it controls whole boiler or just thermostat and only stopcock I can see in boiler cupboard is one attached to pipegoing up to tank in attic I wasnt sure if that was a bit of overkill switching that off.

I can do the basics usually - but like any non-corgi registered person I dont know what to do when the actual boiler starts leaking. Bleeding radiators didnt bring pressure down, so tried that blow off pressure valve - someone suggested I try the manual valve on the line that goes outside but all that did was watered my door step so returned it to original position. I know its up to engineer now but just thought I would check incase there is a simple way to reduce pressure to perhaps stop the leak. I am not silly enough to touch any of the valves leading to the gas or any of the other main feeds into the boiler as i know I do not understand them fully.
#35
sassie
turn your mains water supply off


Not if the boiler is still electrically connected.......kaboooooom
#36
You don't need to to turn your main water supply off, there will be a dedicated water supply valve to the boiler.

Sorry if I sounded rude, I think men in general are more technically minded than women. Probably sounds sexist but its true.
#37
greg_68
You don't need to to turn your main water supply off, there will be a dedicated water supply valve to the boiler.

Sorry if I sounded rude, I think men in general are more technically minded than women. Probably sounds sexist but its true.


Thats okay I was stressed and took it out on you! Should have seen the email my ex got!

Anyway have switched off what I can and am hoping that will last till local firm comes out to switch everything out properly. cant see any other electrical stuff with switches and thats only stop cock I can see!! If I could move the blinking hot tank could see the pipes better as they are all running behind it!

Anyway update is gas company are coming tomorrow between 8am and 1 pm, and my landlord text me and told me to stop stressing about rent, she knows I am doing all I can to get fixed and to not delay contacting her again so now have her mobile number. I have a ceramic heater so will go on once it gets a bit colder though may head over to my mums when she finished work so we can grab a shower and destress for a while.

sorry to everyone that I sounded defensive etc - depression\stress is a horrible thing to cope with, especially when put in a stressful situation, it makes it ten times worse....cant wait till rent and boiler is sorted out, as they are my main stresses at moment!
#38
I'd be stressed too if my boiler was leaking and did't know what to do. At least things are moving along tomorrow hopefully.

Good luck.
#39
greg_68
I'd be stressed too if my boiler was leaking and did't know what to do. At least things are moving along tomorrow hopefully.

Good luck.


yes thanks again and as i said - sorry for being so defensive, once my stressed are less can fight this depression thing better, just didnt like symtoms from prozac so took myself off them as was a blinking zombie on them and couldnt be bothered going through lots of different drugs till I found one that worked for me...just a hard slog and moment all uphill!

Nikki
banned#40
nikkiandmidgets;3730960
Thats okay I was stressed and took it out on you! Should have seen the email my ex got!

Anyway have switched off what I can and am hoping that will last till local firm comes out to switch everything out properly. cant see any other electrical stuff with switches and thats only stop cock I can see!! If I could move the blinking hot tank could see the pipes better as they are all running behind it!

Anyway update is gas company are coming tomorrow between 8am and 1 pm, and my landlord text me and told me to stop stressing about rent, she knows I am doing all I can to get fixed and to not delay contacting her again so now have her mobile number. I have a ceramic heater so will go on once it gets a bit colder though may head over to my mums when she finished work so we can grab a shower and destress for a while.

sorry to everyone that I sounded defensive etc - depression\stress is a horrible thing to cope with, especially when put in a stressful situation, it makes it ten times worse....cant wait till rent and boiler is sorted out, as they are my main stresses at moment!

good luck - hope it all gets sorted out tomorrow for you :thumbsup:

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