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Boiler Replacement Advice - Any boiler experts here?

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9y, 1m agoPosted 9 years, 1 month ago
Our current boiler is extremely old (about 30 years) it's working fine but it's not at all economical and should be changed, we had British Gas out today for a free assessment and they quoted £3,850 for a replacement boiler, this sounds expensive to me, what alternatives have I got?

Anyone recently had a new boiler fitted or even better does anyone here in the business know if the above quote is competitive or not?
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banned#1
Money Spinning
Our current boiler is extremely old (about 30 years) it's working fine but it's not at all economical and should be changed, we had British Gas out today for a free assessment and they quoted £3,850 for a replacement boiler, this sounds expensive to me, what alternatives have I got?

Anyone recently had a new boiler fitted or even better does anyone here in the business know if the above quote is competitive or not?


Indeed that does sound extremely expensive..... but then it was British Gas!

I'll probably going to be in the same boat soon. Mines not as old as yours - but its currently in the integral garage - which is going to be converted to a Kitchen. Since it will have to be moved - it makes sense to replace and save designing around it.

Only advice to give is probably what you'll have to do. ie ring round local plumbers and installers. I know that BG hike their prices because they flush the existing fittings - which could end up in flooding through corroded and weak pipework. ie you are fully insured which Im sure isnt cheap. Worth baring that in mind!
banned#2
Money Spinning
Our current boiler is extremely old (about 30 years) it's working fine but it's not at all economical and should be changed, we had British Gas out today for a free assessment and they quoted £3,850 for a replacement boiler, this sounds expensive to me, what alternatives have I got?

Anyone recently had a new boiler fitted or even better does anyone here in the business know if the above quote is competitive or not?



is it a conventional boiler or condenser ? :thinking:
#3
dog_cop, I believe it's a conventional one but could you briefly explain the differences for me so I can confirm, excuse my ignorance.
#4
Money Spinning
Our current boiler is extremely old (about 30 years) it's working fine but it's not at all economical and should be changed, we had British Gas out today for a free assessment and they quoted £3,850 for a replacement boiler, this sounds expensive to me, what alternatives have I got?

Anyone recently had a new boiler fitted or even better does anyone here in the business know if the above quote is competitive or not?


That's way over the top, unless you live in a mansion:?
#5
It's a 4 bed detached - no not a mansion :giggle:

I must admit I was hoping it would be less than £2000 so was a bit shocked to get this first quote, although expected British Gas to be the most expensive of any quotes I did get.

I suppose I will have to pick a few Corgi registered local firms to come and quote also.
banned#6
Money Spinning
dog_cop, I believe it's a conventional one but could you briefly explain the differences for me so I can confirm, excuse my ignorance.


ok the conventional .. timer/ rads and normally heats water and you should have a big tank with a coat on somewhere in the house...


condenser.. like my house.. Boiler... timer/rads .. but no big tank with coat on as water is heated on demand straight from the mains

are you with me so far ?:-D
#7
Definitely conventional then!

are you with me so far ?

Trust me I was 100% sure before but just wanted to test your knowledge too :oops: :giggle:
banned#8
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Money Spinning
Definitely conventional then!



Trust me I was 100% sure before but just wanted to test your knowledge too :oops: :giggle:


if your a tight bottom.. like most on here there is one simple option...:roll:

get the model number of your boiler and google it and you should find out if its still made or similar, plus you should get an idea of how much.. and even get free delivery etc

Then find a plumber the corgi type who will sort it , buy your own boiler and get him to fit it , bargin, I saved myself a mint on a brand new boiler and new rads as I fitted all the rads and prepped all the work , plumber connected up and certificated the lot, and its roasty toasty here :-D
#9
get the model number of your boiler and google it


That's a laugh, as I said above it's around 30 years old, there's not even a manufacturers badge or logo on it, no clues whatsoever.
banned#10
Money Spinning
That's a laugh, as I said above it's around 30 years old, there's not even a manufacturers badge or logo on it, no clues whatsoever.


well go to your local plumbers merchants , and tell them what type of boiler you have how many rads etc, even the size of the boiler and they will be able to work out what size boiler you will need
#11
Blimey, thought we held the record there. Our boiler is 28yrs old, at least. Was in the house when we bought it. Stopped the British gas contract yrs ago when they kept telling me it was shot and needed replacing immediately. Local guy does annual check.

Probably not the most economical boiler but it keeps us warm. Have put the money aside, saved from BGas contracts to pay for new boiler...when it happens
#12
wow that sounds well over the top my friend had his bolier replaced a couple of weeks ago and cost him £1000 he has a 3 bedroom house it was a mate who done it for him though so may of got it cheaper
#13
For your comparison, we had a quote last week for a new Bosch Worcester Combi boiler to be fitted (in a different place to the existing boiler) and take out the existing boiler, hot water & cold water tanks and all the current pipework, for £2,365. A second quote for £2,500.
1 Like #14
i had a few quotes at the start of the year they were all between £2500 and £3000 for the combi boiler then a bit more on top for things that i didn't really need doing there was no way i could afford to have it done.
someone on here recommended a warm front grant so i went through them and had all the work done for free and they will service it for the next few years for free too. through another grant i had loft and cavity wall insulation done too. my gas bills have been reduced dramatically, it's worth having a look at the grants avalible even if you don't think you will qualify. http://www.warmfrontgrants.co.uk/do-i-qualify.htm
#15
British Gas quoted me a price for a boiler that I could pay for a complete fitted system elsewhere. Avoid, avoid, avoid. :)
banned#16
similar story...... kept getting quotes between £5000-£8000 for boiler and central heating sys

so i sat back with the aid of tinternet i decided to it myself- yes crazy or what!

anyway took some research- i.e. what eq i needed, where things go etc etc.....

took 3 months (couple of hrs a night after work) and i have a brand new boiler and central sys- all working.


i had it inspected by a corgi reg to certify it- cost £50.

total cost £1,500 for a 6 bedroom hse.

moral of story- do it yourself- especially in case of breakdown your likely to know how to fix it as u installed it! so no expensive call out charges!

if interested, can provide a step-step guide
#17
That does seem a little high however I expect that includes the usual guarantees and a power flush which is expensive in itself. Don’t be afraid to barter with them. I recently had a power flush from British gas; I didn’t know this but when you have a new boiler they should do this automatically. I had my installed on the cheap and they cut corners :roll:

They quoted £595 for a power flush (3 bed semi, approx 8 rads) I basically told them where to go and that I could get I done elsewhere for £300. The guy was really pleasant and after a quick phone call to his boss, bought it down to £390 which included guarantees in case the rads burst with the pressure which other companies don’t offer.

Let BG know that there price is not competitive and if they don’t knock some money off, you will look elsewhere.
Personally i would want at least £500 off or i would go elsewhere.
#18
check out this

Check what kind of boiler they are supplying for that price. A rated? What make? Worcester, vokera or vailant are pretty good. At that price are they replacing the rads? They might not need replacing, a good power flush normally does the job but its worth asking:thumbsup:
#19
If I was you I'd stick with your old system unless you need the extra pressure and extra space by not having the cylinder (also no heating in the airing cupboard), and here's a few points you might concider (IMO) how do you know its 'not at all economical'?, under current Corgi rules you'll be forced to have a condensing boiler and i don't know anyone who hasen't had expensive problems and down time with theirs (yes I know someone somewhere got one thats fine..)
Have you got all the other fuel saving measures first, roof lagging,cavity wall insulation (10") and double glazing?.
As long as the cast iron heat exchanger is okay in your present boiler there are very few expensive parts to replace, thermpcouple and maybe the gas valve, If you check out the prices for the amount of spares for a new boiler you might be horrified, and lastly are you aware of the expected lifetime of one of these condensing boilers?, it wouldn't even be close to the 30 years of your old one.:thumbsup:
banned#20
British Gas do price over the odds, but they offer 0% finance over 5 years, and they have a 4 year warranty which includes servicing.
#21
Pretty sure a powerflush, room thermostat and thermo rad valves are now a requirement when a new boiler is fitter because a corgi fitter has to inform your local council.
Your old boiler might not be as economical as a new condenser but as my old Dad used to say, "If it aint broke dont fix it".
#22
Thanks for the replies guys, we are going to get a few more quotes from local Corgi Heating Engineers and then decide what to do.

The British Gas guy did say that the boiler we have is so old it's dangerous but then again he would say that as he would get a tidy commission on a £3850 sale, we are going to buy a Carbon Monoxide detected anyway in the meantime before we replace.
#23
if i was you i would get a local plumber to do the job for you (ask about and get some recommendations) go for a condesing boiler for about £2800 you will get a new A-rated boiler, all new radiators (about 7/8 is the standard on most boilers), a wireless remote room thermostat, and thermo valves on every radiator all fitted.

british gas are way too expensive
banned#24
tracy013
someone on here recommended a warm front grant so i went through them and had all the work done for free and they will service it for the next few years for free too. through another grant i had loft and cavity wall insulation done too. my gas bills have been reduced dramatically, it's worth having a look at the grants avalible even if you don't think you will qualify. http://www.warmfrontgrants.co.uk/do-i-qualify.htm



Cheers for that. I'd never heard of it - and surprisingly do qualify (though doubt for much - Its a disability living allowance we get for our little'un!)

Just made an application. Looking to get a new boiler - and would probably get anything else going to cut the bills down! Any idea how they work out % for any grant?
#25
im getting my boiler changed this week. have had a few estimates and it varies between 1600 for a combi and 2100 for a system boiler.
#26
Money Spinning
The British Gas guy did say that the boiler we have is so old it's dangerous but then again he would say that as he would get a tidy commission on a £3850 sale, we are going to buy a Carbon Monoxide detected anyway in the meantime before we replace.


They said it every year for 5 yrs to me, got fed up listening. IMO they are no better than the Kwik Fitters who tell you your shocks have gone when you only want a new exhaust. Firms like this lose their reputation and credibility, which is sad when so many people know no different and have to rely on them e.g pensioners.
#27
guv
Cheers for that. I'd never heard of it - and surprisingly do qualify (though doubt for much - Its a disability living allowance we get for our little'un!)

Just made an application. Looking to get a new boiler - and would probably get anything else going to cut the bills down! Any idea how they work out % for any grant?

i'm not sure how they work out how much you get, but they send someone round to asses the boiler and see how urgent you are and they check your benefits while they are there. then they should write to you and let you know if you were successful in your application. in my case there had been a local cancellation so i had it all done within weeks (instead of the up to 6 months they quote) it had even been fitted before i received the letter telling me i had been accepted :giggle:
banned#28
tracy013
i'm not sure how they work out how much you get, but they send someone round to asses the boiler and see how urgent you are and they check your benefits while they are there. then they should write to you and let you know if you were successful in your application. in my case there had been a local cancellation so i had it all done within weeks (instead of the up to 6 months they quote) it had even been fitted before i received the letter telling me i had been accepted :giggle:


What was the cost / discount - if Im not being too nosey! PM is fine if you dont want to post it here!
#29
dog_cop
ok the conventional .. timer/ rads and normally heats water and you should have a big tank with a coat on somewhere in the house...


condenser.. like my house.. Boiler... timer/rads .. but no big tank with coat on as water is heated on demand straight from the mains

are you with me so far ?:-D

a condensing boiler reheats the flue gases it can be a system boiler combintion boiler system boiler has tanks clinders etc combi boiler heats water has it uses it for a swap to a condensing bolier you should be looking at around £2000 condensing should be fitted by law where permitted
#30
We had a new combi fitted last year. BG wanted about £3,200. A pair of right proper cowboys wanted to move it from the kitchen to the dining room (!!???) and charge £3,600 (and incidentally break building regs in the process). In the end we got a small local firm to fit a new boiler, 7 of those automatic rad thermostat/valve things (don't know what they're called), and a wireless thermostat for less that £1,500. So definately shop around:thumbsup:
#31
Money Spinning

The British Gas guy did say that the boiler we have is so old it's dangerous

!! He's got to give you a bit more information than just 'dangerous', is he saying it was installed incorrectly? if thats the case it needs sorting, I'd ask him for more details as to why in his opinion it requires replacing.:thumbsup:
#32
He said it was dangerous just because it's old, we have it serviced once a year and if it was dangerous I am sure the guy that services it would tell us.
1 Like #33
We have a similar situation - we have a large very old boiler in the kitchen. When we decided to have the kitchen replaced we got a quote for a combi boiler to be put in the garage. £3000 plus. As our boiler is regularly serviced and like you the chap has never said there's a problem, we decided to fit the kitchen around the old boiler! It's happily stored away in a cupboard! We have also had a Carbon Monoxide (hope that's the right one) detector for some time now and thankfully not a sign of anything bad going on..... Also, the boiler coped fine when we extended from a three bedroom to a four - the builders told us they don't make boilers like that anymore! Could you fit the kitchen around the boiler?
My mum has a combi boiler by the way and you hardly ever get piping hot water - we do.
#34
OK, I have found out that the boiler we have is a Thorne one, the company itself actually went out of business in 1982 which shows how old the boiler is :giggle:

The boiler is in our kitchen in a cupboard and we had a new kitchen earlier this year so any new boiler would have to go in the same place again.
#35
Money Spinning
He said it was dangerous just because it's old,
I'm over 30 years old so that must make me dangerous too...:giggle:

I hope you get a better deal than the British gas one offered, try going on word of mouth recommendations if you can.:thumbsup:
banned#36
Shengis
We had a new combi fitted last year. BG wanted about £3,200. A pair of right proper cowboys wanted to move it from the kitchen to the dining room (!!???) and charge £3,600 (and incidentally break building regs in the process). In the end we got a small local firm to fit a new boiler, 7 of those automatic rad thermostat/valve things (don't know what they're called), and a wireless thermostat for less that £1,500. So definately shop around:thumbsup:


What building regs would they have been breaking? Asking purely because our boiler is in the (integrated) garage which is soon to be our kitchen. Shouldnt be a problem I would have thought - so can only assume you refer to the position they were suggesting to install?

On the subject of boilers....

Which would people chose to use?

We currently have a normal type - ie with hot water cylinder and big water tank in the loft. The builder suggested removing all that and using a combi boiler with the benefit of instant hot water. Having just spent £1500 on a new Aqualisa Shower - which wouldnt work (i think) with a combi boiler, it kind of puts me off. That an an awful lot of negative comments Ive heard about them. The builder suggested the negatives are all down to not fitting a filter (im in a very hard water area), which clogs everything and deminishes life. Yet my current boiler is fine and no problems in the (at least) 16 years its been used.

Anyone able to give a simple run down?
#37
I would go for a system boiler personally. Hot water flow for nearly all Combi's is slow and unless it has a 'hot start' facility it will take a while for hot water to come through. I work for a Housing Assoc and we fit boilers all the time. From my experience, the Combi's are over complex and prone to PCB's (printed circuit boards) failing and other intricate features involved clog up and cause the boiler to fail.

We go for Vaillant Ecotec Plus Combi's or Vaillant Ecotec Pro System boilers (I think the system boilers have now been renamed).

You are right about the pressure for your shower also. Combi's do affect pressure of HW flow severly.

With regards to swapping system boilers for Combi's, your whole system will need to be pressurised and all cold water supplies (taps etc) will need to be added to the mains pressure (as opposed to tank fed). This pressurizing WILL find any leaks on your pipework system!

I've got a 33 year old Myson Marathon...still going strong! Not efficient, but never gone wrong (touch wood!)
#38
good post tracy013,
We've just had a guy round from warmfront as our hot water boiler broke recently and we're going to be getting a new combi boiler with 5 radiators for free! Woohoo no more having to light the multi-fuel burner to warm the house up! It's definitely worth checking to see if you qualify. Apparently we'll be getting some free energy lightbulbs when the work is completed too! :D
#39
ive just had my system boiler replaced with a baxi condensing combi boiler, supplied & fitted and corgi signed off for £1100 so much better than the onld one p[lus i now have all my loft space back and an extra cupboard where the cylinder was in the bedroom. plus weighed in all the copper and got a fair bit for that too.

always go for a baxi if you can afford it.
#40
put a new heating system in our home 2 years ago. it cost about £1800 including radiators and baxi combi boiler in total(4 bed detatched house).

the combi ststem we have stores 50 litres of hot water and otherwise works and is similar in size to a traditional combi boiler.
we have instant hot water and can run shower( or even bath) after shower.
as above the old boiler space is now a new shower.

i agree most combi boilers are pitiful but do check out these new ones that can store water. my sister paid more for a traditional system and it annoys her how much hotter and unlimited the water is at my house.

the pressure as a result is great and we have no need for a power shower.
The efficiency of the heating meant we could remove the chimneys on the house and only use the central heating. its saved us a fortune.

BG are charging far to much, get some quotes but don't try to be too cheap with the boiler. a better one can save a lot of money.

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