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Boris Johnson Mayor of London + BNP member on London Assembly

schizoboy Avatar
8y, 7m agoPosted 8 years, 7 months ago
Two sides of a coin for me.

a) Nice to see Labour finally get their nails in their coffin even if they arn't buried yet and won't be for a few years.
b) This Etonion/Bullingdon Club/Racist buffoon will highlight what the Tories are and what they need to do to change, hopefully, maybe, to get Labour out... one day...

P.S. 1mil for Ken, 1mil for Boris, 250k for Brian Paddick anyone dreaming that Lib Dems had any say in the South East should be put in place now proving noone took Paddick seriously in this basically two horse race.
Only getting one Council seat extra nationally say that Clegg is making the Lib Dems look even more like a minority than ever before by holding so little credibility IMO.
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8y, 7m agoPosted 8 years, 7 months ago
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#2
Oh this should be good. http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7919/popcornov8.gif
#3
HAAHAHAHAH i was right. knew he'd be voted in. awesome!
#4
red hot deal, when labour call the election,people who were not around to see the conservatives destroy this country or are too stupid to remember will be able to see what a mess Boris will have acheived by then, best thing that could have happened for labour.....ken may not see it that way
#5
I can't see how Labour can change without going out of power till then it's Brown possibly barely winning next election (assuming no Thatcheresque vote of no confidence in Brown before 2009 election) then Prime Minister Miliband for the 2013/14 election if Labour win it.

As nightswimmer said, will be interesting to watch.
#6
Conservative Party leader David Cameron praised Mr Johnson for a "serious and energetic campaign" and said his party was "winning the battle of ideas".


What Ideas? I've heard none! (well apart from hug-a-hoodie)

The only reason I can see why people are going to vote conservative is that they aren't Labour:?
banned#7
nightswimmer
Oh this should be good. http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7919/popcornov8.gif


Frightening more like!

Boris gave a good winning speech though, even he he still sounded a bit of a twit!
#8
What difference does it make who is in power, we are now ruled by Brussels.
#9
guv
Frightening more like!


Sorry, I was refering to the thread, not the result. Old internet joke. :oops:
banned 1 Like #10
nightswimmer
Sorry, I was refering to the thread, not the result. Old internet joke. :oops:


He he.... Yeh, you are probably right! Though it doesn't matter right now! I guess when the bloops start a coming, the "we told you so's" will start!:whistling:
#11
marktq1
red hot deal, when labour call the election,people who were not around to see the conservatives destroy this country or are too stupid to remember will be able to see what a mess Boris will have acheived by then, best thing that could have happened for labour.....ken may not see it that way


I was around when the Conservatives were last in power and a shop steward to boot, but what Labour (Blair:evil:) have done to this country makes Thatcher seem like a liberal. Until apathy stops most people caring about which Iphone they are going to buy and instead what needs to be done to help those less fortunate than them, we are on a slippery slope regardless of who is in power. Phew, rant over!
#12
RIP progressive politics in London ... Hellooooo Hollywood! And to think we all laughed when California voted in Arnie. It could never happen here, we said. Well, we were wrong.
#13
point taken, I remember when blunket was in charge in shefield and proudly flew the red flag over city hall , then when he was home sec passed measures that maggie would never have got away with nevertheless a tory victory at the next election is not going to retun labour to its trad core values no matter how the torys screw things up...again which is why I still have to remain loyal to labour a lab - lib coillition may be the best to hope for and a couple of years of boris may deter enough votors to make it happen maybe ken could make a comeback with a cabinet post ..love to see it happen guess im dreaming
#14
marktq1
(1) a lab - lib coillition may be the best to hope (2) and a couple of years of boris may deter enough votors to make it happen (3) maybe ken could make a comeback with a cabinet post ..love to see it happen guess im dreaming


1. I've been thinking this for a while. The libs have become the most progressive party in the uk on many issues. Pity they voted in the wrong leader recently though.

2. Also my thoughts. It's hard to imagine him not becoming a serious embarrassment to London and the country over time.

3. Yes, think that one is a dream. He's too much of his own man for them to take that chance. But I agree, if we had a few more people like him and Tony Benn at the forefront of government, we'd at least get some more progressive issues on the agenda.

EDIT: for the few who haven't seen the victory and loss speeches (Boris and Ken), see them here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/video/2008/may/03/boris.wins
#15
Liddle ol' me
1. I've been thinking this for a while. The libs have become the most progressive party in the uk on many issues. Pity they voted in the wrong leader recently though.

2. Also my thoughts. It's hard to imagine him not becoming a serious embarrassment to London and the country over time.

3. Yes, think that one is a dream. He's too much of his own man for them to take that chance. But I agree, if we had a few more people like him and Tony Benn at the forefront of government, we'd at least get some more progressive issues on the agenda.

EDIT: for the few who haven't seen the victory and loss speeches (Boris and Ken), see them here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/video/2008/may/03/boris.wins


Would agree with the above, especially with the idea of getting Tony Benn and other 'Old Labour' people back. Tony Benn is someone who always sets the example for what a politician should be, he's intelligent, he doesn't pander to scare-tactics to make people see his point of view, he's a man of great integrity and honestly cares more about doing the right thng than filling his own pockets. If only there were more like him! A friend of mine who lives in London went to Tony Benn's 'gig' last year and TB said that he found the young people of his grandchildren's age were more tuned into his way of thinking than their parents, a dig at his son Hilary by any chance? :whistling:
#16
I think it's great that overnight Boris became more important than David Cameron. He's now the highest ranked member of the Conservative party with any power!
banned#17
duckmagicuk2
I think it's great that overnight Boris became more important than David Cameron. He's now the highest ranked member of the Conservative party with any power!


Great or frightening? If torries really wanted to get rid of "nu Labour" this could well be the things that makes people change their mind!
#18
Labour needed reminding of what they can lose but at the same time Boris representing and taking decisions for London is scary.
#19
Sometimes I just despair.
#20
schizoboy
Labour needed reminding of what they can lose but at the same time Boris representing and taking decisions for London is scary.


Well, I've been thinking of this lots. We've been used to seeing Boris in a HIGNFY-style environment. A place DESIGNED to show him up.

He's not very tactful. He says the wrong things. His brain and mouth aren't fully connected. But listening to his speeches over the last couple of days and reading about his background you do realise that behind this bumbling beavis and butthead persona there is, after all, an extremely intelligent man. A man educated at Eton and Oxford, and a man who promises to bring change to London.

And the scary thing is, I believe he will pull it off. :)

If anyone has the time or interest to watch his speech from yesterday, then it's well worth a watch. He falls over at the beginning. Classic Boris. But that's where it stops - from that point in he explains well the changes he wants to make and how he's going to do it, and adds in a lot of very clever jokes too.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7382039.stm
#21
:cry:

What have you done London, what have you done.
#22
schizoboy
Labour needed reminding of what they can lose but at the same time Boris representing and taking decisions for London is scary.


Over 1 million Londoners voted for him! Scary or not over a million people liked what they saw.

I like the fella, a true gem in a political world of non-entities!
#23
duckmagicuk2;2024919
Well, I've been thinking of this lots. We've been used to seeing Boris in a HIGNFY-style environment. A place DESIGNED to show him up.

He's not very tactful. He says the wrong things. His brain and mouth aren't fully connected. But listening to his speeches over the last couple of days and reading about his background you do realise that behind this bumbling beavis and butthead persona there is, after all, an extremely intelligent man. A man educated at Eton and Oxford, and a man who promises to bring change to London.

And the scary thing is, I believe he will pull it off. :)

If anyone has the time or interest to watch his speech from yesterday, then it's well worth a watch. He falls over at the beginning. Classic Boris. But that's where it stops - from that point in he explains well the changes he wants to make and how he's going to do it, and adds in a lot of very clever jokes too.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7382039.stm


Three things still put me off him even if he is "amusing"

a) He's a old Etonian Tory, still very detached from reality not to mention large poor population of London

b) He's in the Bullingdon Club, a bunch of male only rich elitists who smash up restaurants etc and laugh about how rich they are so can afford to repair it

c) His unguarded perfectly frank racist comments from a man who is Mayor of one of the most cosmopolitan multi ethnic cities on this planet.

Is he as incompetent as his image gives, probably not, should he be Mayor of London, probably not... clever jokes? Qualify him to be where he is now? Please!!

He had nothing to lose, he won, Labour are licking their wounds, Tories are worried but at the same time glad of the victory, interesting but worrying times tbh.
banned#24
pugw$sh
Over 1 million Londoners voted for him! Scary or not over a million people liked what they saw.


Is that really the case though? Yes, he got that number of votes, but was it because they liked what they saw? I'd bet a huge proportion of those votes were more a protest vote against Livingstone than real support.
#25
pugw$sh
Over 1 million Londoners voted for him! Scary or not over a million people liked what they saw.


It's the fact that over 1 million Londoners voted for him that I find most scary. :?
banned#26
nightswimmer
It's the fact that over 1 million Londoners voted for him that I find most scary. :?


Or the fact my Mother in Law voted for him and defended him to the hilt when I complained the man is an incompetant baffoon! But then I do love winding her up - though completely serious in my opinion of Boris!
#27
Boris won't do a bad job. He'll get a very good team around him to prevent any major problems from arising. But those who think they're going to see some massive change because Ken's gone will probably be dissapointed.

I do feel sorry for Ken. He's been interested in London for as long as I can remember, and his downfall was largely due to the New Labour brigade. Boris has only been interested in London issues since he became the candidate, so the passion to do good won't be there. But let's hope he doesn't do a bad job, which I don't think he will.
banned#28
thom_yorke
Boris won't do a bad job. He'll get a very good team around him to prevent any major problems from arising.



Hmmm. Yes, the decision making teams will hopefully guide him properly, but they cant save him when being interviewed etc. Look at George Bush! Plus I think the position of Mayor is one that you really need to be a good speaker. His words were very good in his accentance speech, but the delivery (as sincere as it sounded) just wasn't very good at all IMHO.

BTW Thom_Yorke - hows the TV?
#29
I give Brown 12 months before he is forced out and if Labour gets someone like Alan Johnson as the leader David Cameron's toff background will stand out like a flasher wearing a transparent coat.
#30
jocksteeluk
I give Brown 12 months before he is forced out and if Labour gets someone like Alan Johnson as the leader David Cameron's toff background will stand out like a flasher wearing a transparent coat.


:giggle:

If Boris can do just half of the things in his manifesto then London will be a better place. Especially if there were reductions in crime.

12 teenagers killed in knife-crime so far in 2008. How many more?
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duckmagicuk2;2031751
:giggle:

If Boris can do just half of the things in his manifesto then London will be a better place. Especially if there were reductions in crime.

12 teenagers killed in knife-crime so far in 2008. How many more?


Are your local Conservative Party handing out hallucinogenic delusional drugs now that make you think and believe Boris Johnson, now unfortunately the most powerful Tory in Britain, will actually deliver 50% of his manifesto???
#32
schizoboy
Are your local Conservative Party handing out hallucinogenic delusional drugs now that make you think and believe Boris Johnson, now unfortunately the most powerful Tory in Britain, will actually deliver 50% of his manifesto???


:giggle:

The thing about Boris is that he is, scarily, more "normal" than a lot of other politicians. Boris does tell it as he sees it, doesn't worry too much about what everyone else is going to say about him and just gets on with things. I'm more inclined to believe him.

Remember, he's not as stupid as you may think. :)
#33
duckmagicuk2
He's not very tactful. He says the wrong things. His brain and mouth aren't fully connected. But listening to his speeches over the last couple of days and reading about his background you do realise that behind this bumbling beavis and butthead persona there is, after all, an extremely intelligent man. A man educated at Eton and Oxford, and a man who promises to bring change to London.

And the scary thing is, I believe he will pull it off. :)

If anyone has the time or interest to watch his speech from yesterday, then it's well worth a watch. He falls over at the beginning. Classic Boris. But that's where it stops - from that point in he explains well the changes he wants to make and how he's going to do it, and adds in a lot of very clever jokes too.


schizoboy
Three things still put me off him even if he is "amusing"

a) He's a old Etonian Tory, still very detached from reality not to mention large poor population of London

b) He's in the Bullingdon Club, a bunch of male only rich elitists who smash up restaurants etc and laugh about how rich they are so can afford to repair it

c) His unguarded perfectly frank racist comments from a man who is Mayor of one of the most cosmopolitan multi ethnic cities on this planet.

Is he as incompetent as his image gives, probably not, should he be Mayor of London, probably not... clever jokes? Qualify him to be where he is now? Please!!.


Two very interesting takes on the same issue. Notice how duckmagicuk2 criticises Boris on a supficial level (makes blunders etc) but basically argues that he will make positive change. Even more interesting is the uncritical association that being educated at Eton and Oxford equates to being an extremely intelligent man (e.g. no reference to the role of privilege, networks, etc).

By contrast, schizoboy takes a critical approach and incisively gets 'behind' the basic facts. e.g. his take on being educated at Eton engages implicity with privilege and connects this to Boris' ability to do the job.

I could do a more detailed analysis to show how one can be either (a) passively positioned by discourses or (b) can resist such positionings and form critical (i.e. informed) views of the world. But I don't have the time. Anyway, very interesting imo...
#35


Yep, about sums it up!

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