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Police in Paris say they are responding to an alert at the Notre Dame cathedral amid reports of gunshots and panic. Officials have told people to stay away from the area, one of the French capital's … Read More
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1m, 2w agoPosted 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Police in Paris say they are responding to an alert at the Notre Dame cathedral amid reports of gunshots and panic.

Officials have told people to stay away from the area, one of the French capital's most popular tourist sites.

Reports suggest a man attacked a police officer with a hammer and was later shot.

France is in a state of emergency since attacks by jihadists in Paris left 130 people dead in 2015.

BBC News Breaking News: Paris's Notre Dame: Police responding to 'gunshots'
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Towelie
Probably some foreign bombs being dropped on his country killing his friends/family??I shouldn't have to say this but I know I will only get called a terrorist sympathiser if I don't so this is in no way condoning these actions. Understanding and acceptance are completely different.


What bombs were dropped on the countries of the London muslim terrorists?

BTW - understanding is quite different to promoting justification, which I seem to continually see.
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splender
I just let the paid professionals and experts do their jobs , which they are. But I thought you guys have answers and solutions that the Home Office may not be aware of. I am certainly very unskilled and inexperienced compared to them, I just let them get on with it.What is your purpose anyway, what do you want as outcome? Just write to your MP and go along to his/her surgery and tell them like you tell here.

Perhaps if a few more people actually wanted to help the authorities, then more of those radicalised would be arrested before harming others?

It's not "okay" to leave it to the authorities.

That's my exact point, it's called turning a blind eye, and you gave a perfect example.

Anyone who knows of any plan, discussion, or desire to hurt or harm others, yet chooses not to report that concern, are as guilty as the perpetrators of that act.

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#1
Was already a thread for this but it got deleted..

Looks like a lone attacker..
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Dawsy
Was already a thread for this but it got deleted..
Looks like a lone attacker..
Probably a mod.
#4
Certain souirces reckon Spanish beaches could get hit this summer too :(
1 Like #5
groenleader
Certain souirces reckon spaish beaches could get hit this summer too :(


Spanish?
1 Like #6
fanpages
Spanish?


Theres autocorret always sortingout my correct spellings and not my worng ones :D
#7
groenleader
Certain souirces reckon spaish beaches could get hit this summer too :(
Sources?
#8
groenleader
[Theres autocorret always sortingout my correct spellings and not my worng ones :D
autocorrect? Sorting out? wrong? lol.

Edited By: 123thisisme on Jun 06, 2017 16:28
1 Like #9
123thisisme
Sources?


You must have missed the direct request from IS to attack the beaches!?

Its been in various press, just a quick google news will get you all the horrors you need to know.

Death loves a crowd (ninja)

ISIS issues direct threats to attack spanish beaches
#10
He also had knives on him but didnt get a chance to use them hope the policeman isnt too badly injured
#11
Will the so called attacker be revealed to be a so called representative of the so called Islamic State?

Where did he get the idea that killing others was a good idea?
#12
davewave
Will the so called attacker be revealed to be a so called representative of the so called Islamic State?
Where did he get the idea that killing others was a good idea?
He was shouting this is for Syria
#13
davewave
Will the so called attacker be revealed to be a so called representative of the so called Islamic State?

Where did he get the idea that killing others was a good idea?
Is anyone talking about whatabout Melbourne
1 Like #14
archer1204
davewave
Will the so called attacker be revealed to be a so called representative of the so called Islamic State?
Where did he get the idea that killing others was a good idea?
Is anyone talking about whatabout Melbourne
I don't think so. Why did you bring it up? Perhaps post it on another thread - best way to start a discussion about it if that's what you want?
#15
davewave
archer1204
davewave
Will the so called attacker be revealed to be a so called representative of the so called Islamic State?
Where did he get the idea that killing others was a good idea?
Is anyone talking about whatabout Melbourne
I don't think so. Why did you bring it up? Perhaps post it on another thread - best way to start a discussion about it if that's what you want?
Have you not heard about the Melbourne siege two dead 3 police shot woman held hostage IsIs claim responsibility.
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archer1204
Is anyone talking about whatabout Melbourne


Bad things happen to the aboriginals every day has been that way for long time now fella.

There aint nothing good going down in Oz.

That's about the straight truth of it, racists, terrs, wildfires there's never a good day there, so todays siege events just pass in the wind. Should I say....through those ghostly gums
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archer1204
davewave
archer1204
davewave
Will the so called attacker be revealed to be a so called representative of the so called Islamic State?
Where did he get the idea that killing others was a good idea?
Is anyone talking about whatabout Melbourne
I don't think so. Why did you bring it up? Perhaps post it on another thread - best way to start a discussion about it if that's what you want?
Have you not heard about the Melbourne siege two dead 3 police shot woman held hostage IsIs claim responsibility.
Start a thread on it then, seems you are keen on discussing it with others.
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davewave
Will the so called attacker be revealed to be a so called representative of the so called Islamic State?
Where did he get the idea that killing others was a good idea?

Probably some foreign bombs being dropped on his country killing his friends/family??

I shouldn't have to say this but I know I will only get called a terrorist sympathiser if I don't so this is in no way condoning these actions.

Understanding and acceptance are completely different.
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Towelie
Probably some foreign bombs being dropped on his country killing his friends/family??I shouldn't have to say this but I know I will only get called a terrorist sympathiser if I don't so this is in no way condoning these actions. Understanding and acceptance are completely different.


IS want anyone who is non believer, they are not responding to bombs on Libya and Iraq etc.

This was posted yesterday or the day before from their own "official" press.
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Towelie
davewave
Will the so called attacker be revealed to be a so called representative of the so called Islamic State?
Where did he get the idea that killing others was a good idea?
Probably some foreign bombs being dropped on his country killing his friends/family??
I shouldn't have to say this but I know I will only get called a terrorist sympathiser if I don't so this is in no way condoning these actions.
Understanding and acceptance are completely different.
If this attacker is from IS then he is merely following the mandate which states that irrespective of the wars they would still want to kill people in The West, wouldn't you agree?

Not sure I can ever understand that.

Additionally I am pretty sure that if Assad, Putin, The West all withdrew from Syria that IS or AQ radicals would still continue to target innocents.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
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Towelie
Probably some foreign bombs being dropped on his country killing his friends/family??I shouldn't have to say this but I know I will only get called a terrorist sympathiser if I don't so this is in no way condoning these actions. Understanding and acceptance are completely different.


What bombs were dropped on the countries of the London muslim terrorists?

BTW - understanding is quite different to promoting justification, which I seem to continually see.
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3dprince
What bombs were dropped on the countries of the London muslim terrorists?BTW - understanding is quite different to promoting justification, which I seem to continually see.


In the case of a lot, though not all (Westminster attacker) these people are poor.

For people who don't know, you say your from East Ham or Barking that's bad stuff. Lots of these muslim immigrants who live there are in HMO's (houses in multiple occupation) or beds in sheds or just terrible accommodation. By all UK standards, those are in general filled with a lot of modern slums.

Little no education, little no hope in life. They may have been brought here by parents who lived in poverty in other countries, to essentially live in poverty and hopelessness in the UK.

UK government and citizens let them come regardless of housing crisis in the full knowledge that these people have very little hope or change of getting anywhere.

These places are fertile breeding grounds for terrorists and extremists. There situation promotes those beliefs, in a similar way you will find poor areas like Bootle in Liverpool which no doubt harbour white people, in the same situations, feeling the same way which breeds extremism at the other end of the scale.

Sadly a lot of these home grown terrs. are just a product of letting people come where, and then doing nothing to help them. Which turns hurts us, and hurts your children as they take up places to live or create places you would not want to live.
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3dprince
What bombs were dropped on the countries of the London muslim terrorists?BTW - understanding is quite different to promoting justification, which I seem to continually see.

You do realise that the antithesis of your argument is that we should only be concerned if IS commit acts of terrorism in the UK. That acts of terrorism committed elsewhere are, by that argument, no concern of ours.

Now I am sure that you don't mean that. But do you see why IS supporters might view any attacks on them in any country as justification for carrying out terrorist attacks wherever they want, irrespective of the country of origin of the terrorist who does it. It's all very well identifying the problem, which Misc is very good at, but it's viable solutions that are needed not endless rhetoric.
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RonChew
3dprince
What bombs were dropped on the countries of the London muslim terrorists?BTW - understanding is quite different to promoting justification, which I seem to continually see.
You do realise that the antithesis of your argument is that we should only be concerned if IS commit acts of terrorism in the UK. That acts of terrorism committed elsewhere are, by that argument, no concern of ours.
Now I am sure that you don't mean that. But do you see why IS supporters might view any attacks on them in any country as justification for carrying out terrorist attacks wherever they want, irrespective of the country of origin of the terrorist who does it. It's all very well identifying the problem, which Misc is very good at, but it's viable solutions that are needed not endless rhetoric.

I didn't mean that, nor did I say that. It was simply a direct challenge to a stupid statement which seemed to promote justification for terrorism.
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groenleader
In the case of a lot, though not all (Westminster attacker) these people are poor. For people who don't know, you say your from East Ham or Barking that's bad stuff. Lots of these muslim immigrants who live there are in HMO's (houses in multiple occupation) or beds in sheds or just terrible accommodation. By all UK standards, those are in general filled with a lot of modern slums. Little no education, little no hope in life. They may have been brought here by parents who lived in poverty in other countries, to essentially live in poverty and hopelessness in the UK. UK government and citizens let them come regardless of housing crisis in the full knowledge that these people have very little hope or change of getting anywhere. These places are fertile breeding grounds for terrorists and extremists. There situation promotes those beliefs, in a similar way you will find poor areas like Bootle in Liverpool which no doubt harbour white people, in the same situations, feeling the same way which breeds extremism at the other end of the scale. Sadly a lot of these home grown terrs. are just a product of letting people come where, and then doing nothing to help them. Which turns hurts us, and hurts your children as they take up places to live or create places you would not want to live.


You are talking twaddle, the Manchester scumbag had been to University, the London Bridge attackers all had jobs, there is one thing and one thing only that all theses scumbags have in common and to try and twist it otherwise is shameful and part of the problem.
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groenleader
In the case of a lot, though not all (Westminster attacker) these people are poor. For people who don't know, you say your from East Ham or Barking that's bad stuff. Lots of these muslim immigrants who live there are in HMO's (houses in multiple occupation) or beds in sheds or just terrible accommodation. By all UK standards, those are in general filled with a lot of modern slums. Little no education, little no hope in life. They may have been brought here by parents who lived in poverty in other countries, to essentially live in poverty and hopelessness in the UK. UK government and citizens let them come regardless of housing crisis in the full knowledge that these people have very little hope or change of getting anywhere. These places are fertile breeding grounds for terrorists and extremists. There situation promotes those beliefs, in a similar way you will find poor areas like Bootle in Liverpool which no doubt harbour white people, in the same situations, feeling the same way which breeds extremism at the other end of the scale. Sadly a lot of these home grown terrs. are just a product of letting people come where, and then doing nothing to help them. Which turns hurts us, and hurts your children as they take up places to live or create places you would not want to live.

That's a well argued summary of the problem. But how do you think that the UK can solve it?
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3dprince
I didn't mean that, nor did I say that. It was simply a direct challenge to a stupid statement which seemed to promote justification for terrorism.

Someone explaining why terrorists may commit these abhorrent acts isn't justifying the acts. But nobody is ever going to get anywhere near a solution if they can't see why terrorists do what they do. You can't find a way to stop something like terrorism unless you know why it's happening.
#28
RonChew
That's a well argued summary of the problem. But how do you think that the UK can solve it?


Stop letting seriously needy people come here for a short period to give us a break. So we can divert funds to improving situations. Then think about better distributing new immigrants.

For example, non work visa immigrants are subject to 8 -10 year location licences on where they can live. Thus making it the case that they enter "British life" rather then coming to the UK to live "pakistan" (just picking a place) community life except in the UK as opposed to pakistan.

That's a fair take or leave it type policy, other countries they can go to do not offer that kind of rule and they are free to move there.

Like wise Brits should be encourages to ensure that there new location licenced immigrant is made to feel like they fit in.

Stop swamping areas, creating ghettos, fueling further povety etc.
#29
RonChew
3dprince
What bombs were dropped on the countries of the London muslim terrorists?BTW - understanding is quite different to promoting justification, which I seem to continually see.
You do realise that the antithesis of your argument is that we should only be concerned if IS commit acts of terrorism in the UK. That acts of terrorism committed elsewhere are, by that argument, no concern of ours.
Now I am sure that you don't mean that. But do you see why IS supporters might view any attacks on them in any country as justification for carrying out terrorist attacks wherever they want, irrespective of the country of origin of the terrorist who does it. It's all very well identifying the problem, which Misc is very good at, but it's viable solutions that are needed not endless rhetoric.
solution ... IS and other similar Islamist terrorist groups need to be removed, no other solution - UK and its allies have been combatting them for decades.

Do you think that no-one outside a country should intervene? I hope not but if you do, what should the Yazidis have done to avoid being enslaved or murdered?
#30
RonChew
groenleader
In the case of a lot, though not all (Westminster attacker) these people are poor. For people who don't know, you say your from East Ham or Barking that's bad stuff. Lots of these muslim immigrants who live there are in HMO's (houses in multiple occupation) or beds in sheds or just terrible accommodation. By all UK standards, those are in general filled with a lot of modern slums. Little no education, little no hope in life. They may have been brought here by parents who lived in poverty in other countries, to essentially live in poverty and hopelessness in the UK. UK government and citizens let them come regardless of housing crisis in the full knowledge that these people have very little hope or change of getting anywhere. These places are fertile breeding grounds for terrorists and extremists. There situation promotes those beliefs, in a similar way you will find poor areas like Bootle in Liverpool which no doubt harbour white people, in the same situations, feeling the same way which breeds extremism at the other end of the scale. Sadly a lot of these home grown terrs. are just a product of letting people come where, and then doing nothing to help them. Which turns hurts us, and hurts your children as they take up places to live or create places you would not want to live.
That's a well argued summary of the problem. But how do you think that the UK can solve it?
Poor people are just one target group for terrorist groups, not the only group.
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RonChew
3dprince
I didn't mean that, nor did I say that. It was simply a direct challenge to a stupid statement which seemed to promote justification for terrorism.

Someone explaining why terrorists may commit these abhorrent acts isn't justifying the acts. But nobody is ever going to get anywhere near a solution if they can't see why terrorists do what they do. You can't find a way to stop something like terrorism unless you know why it's happening.
where do you think these terrorist groups get their deadly ideas from?
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davewave
RonChew
3dprince
I didn't mean that, nor did I say that. It was simply a direct challenge to a stupid statement which seemed to promote justification for terrorism.
Someone explaining why terrorists may commit these abhorrent acts isn't justifying the acts. But nobody is ever going to get anywhere near a solution if they can't see why terrorists do what they do. You can't find a way to stop something like terrorism unless you know why it's happening.
where do you think these terrorist groups get their deadly ideas from?
Cause and effect
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Destard
davewave
RonChew
3dprince
I didn't mean that, nor did I say that. It was simply a direct challenge to a stupid statement which seemed to promote justification for terrorism.
Someone explaining why terrorists may commit these abhorrent acts isn't justifying the acts. But nobody is ever going to get anywhere near a solution if they can't see why terrorists do what they do. You can't find a way to stop something like terrorism unless you know why it's happening.
where do you think these terrorist groups get their deadly ideas from?
Cause and effect
Hezbollah, Hamas, PLO, Boko Haram, Al Shabaab, ALQ, ISIS etc...all following the same path to destroy innocent people, operating like fascists who disrespect humanity and human rights whilst pretending that their cause is justified.
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RonChew
3dprince
I didn't mean that, nor did I say that. It was simply a direct challenge to a stupid statement which seemed to promote justification for terrorism.
Someone explaining why terrorists may commit these abhorrent acts isn't justifying the acts. But nobody is ever going to get anywhere near a solution if they can't see why terrorists do what they do. You can't find a way to stop something like terrorism unless you know why it's happening.

You are trying to equate things in rational ways. These are not rational people.

The only way to try to stop this is from support within the Muslim population. Until leaders say no and help police, it cant be stopped. Where is this radicalisation taking place? In schools? In Mosques? If we find there are hot spots and leaders are turning a blind eye or involved, then close them down and take the teachers off the streets. We need to take back control and once the lawyers loose their EU human court of appeal nest eggs, I suspect many extremists will find themselves deported too as undesirables.

Its a start. What I dont accept is excuses to justify.
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RonChew
Someone explaining why terrorists may commit these abhorrent acts isn't justifying the acts. But nobody is ever going to get anywhere near a solution if they can't see why terrorists do what they do. You can't find a way to stop something like terrorism unless you know why it's happening.

Unfortunately the answer is really rather simple.

There are more and more attacks because too many people within their religion, within other countries, have sympathy to their cause.

Too many muslims turn a blind eye.

Too many ignore the discussions they hear within their own homes and do nothing.

And too many want to see the spread of their religion, ignoring history and customs of where they live.

Visit Burnley, Blackburn, Luton and many other traditional Towns of hard working backgrounds.

They have become enclaves of religious isolation. Towns now alien to their Christian backgrounds.

Difficult questions as to why this has been allowed to happen must take place. Then even tougher answers need to be put into practice to resolve those issues.
#36
davewave
where do you think these terrorist groups get their deadly ideas from?

I don't really know. Terrorism has been around for a few hundred years so there's plenty to be learned from history but it's not a subject that I have ever studied.
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Destard
davewave
RonChew
3dprince
I didn't mean that, nor did I say that. It was simply a direct challenge to a stupid statement which seemed to promote justification for terrorism.
Someone explaining why terrorists may commit these abhorrent acts isn't justifying the acts. But nobody is ever going to get anywhere near a solution if they can't see why terrorists do what they do. You can't find a way to stop something like terrorism unless you know why it's happening.
where do you think these terrorist groups get their deadly ideas from?
Cause and effect

Excuse and Justification you mean?

What excuse and justification do you have for Al Shabab? What about Boko Haram?
#38
coathanger
RonChew
Someone explaining why terrorists may commit these abhorrent acts isn't justifying the acts. But nobody is ever going to get anywhere near a solution if they can't see why terrorists do what they do. You can't find a way to stop something like terrorism unless you know why it's happening.
Unfortunately the answer is really rather simple.
There are more and more attacks because too many people within their religion, within other countries, have sympathy to their cause.
Too many muslims turn a blind eye.
Too many ignore the discussions they hear within their own homes and do nothing.
And too many want to see the spread of their religion, ignoring history and customs of where they live.
Visit Burnley, Blackburn, Luton and many other traditional Towns of hard working backgrounds.
They have become enclaves of religious isolation. Towns now alien to their Christian backgrounds.
Difficult questions as to why this has been allowed to happen must take place. Then even tougher answers need to be put into practice to resolve those issues.

Where are you getting this information from? Authorities ignoring concerns of friends and families reporting radicalisation is a recurrent theme.
#39
coathanger

Too many muslims turn a blind eye.
Too many ignore the discussions they hear within their own homes and do nothing.
How does one turn on one's eye and not turn on a blind eye? For instant, what do you you to turn off your blind eye?
What type of discussions that they must not ignore? Could you write such discussions as two examples?
Your assistance would greatly help.
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davewave
RonChew
3dprince
I didn't mean that, nor did I say that. It was simply a direct challenge to a stupid statement which seemed to promote justification for terrorism.

Someone explaining why terrorists may commit these abhorrent acts isn't justifying the acts. But nobody is ever going to get anywhere near a solution if they can't see why terrorists do what they do. You can't find a way to stop something like terrorism unless you know why it's happening.
where do you think these terrorist groups get their deadly ideas from?
I think the Home Office has this answer, You should immediately do a Freedom of Information Request. If they don't know give them your best.

Edited By: splender on Jun 06, 2017 19:49

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