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Did anyone just see this superb doc on BBC one? Just shows the priorities of politicians are wrong. Men there working their backsides of to get the coal mine back in the black to repay the government … Read More
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6m, 3d agoPosted 6 months, 3 days ago
Did anyone just see this superb doc on BBC one? Just shows the priorities of politicians are wrong. Men there working their backsides of to get the coal mine back in the black to repay the government loan and guarantee getting their full redundancy & pensions. Yet for all their hardwork & commitment Politicians couldn't find the money to protect their entitlement regardless of whether they hit the target, yet they could find billions to bale out the banking system who gambled away pound after pound. Plain wrong.
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6m, 3d agoPosted 6 months, 3 days ago
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4 Likes #1
It's tragic how entire communities were decimated and to this day have still not recovered.
#2
Seemed like a decent bunch of mainly elderly chaps who are not afraid of hard graft. Doubt many 18 year olds would last 1 day down that mine.

At least by stop mining now we will always have huge coal reserves to fall back on if we ever need it.
1 Like #3
That's what I thought but the priceless skills & experience will be lost.
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Stevielar
That's what I thought but the priceless skills & experience will be lost.


Lost years ago, Thank Thatcher and the tories.
#5
What happend up here was a disgrace, 100,000s died, from poverty, those communities never recovered, today most are still ghost towns, very high unemployment with all the social ills that one would expect.
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shadey12
Stevielar
That's what I thought but the priceless skills & experience will be lost.
Lost years ago, Thank Thatcher and the tories.
and Scargill.
1 Like #7
Rubisco
shadey12
Stevielar
That's what I thought but the priceless skills & experience will be lost.
Lost years ago, Thank Thatcher and the tories.
and Scargill.


thatcher wanted to destroy the union's, it didn't matter about Scargill, the woman was pure evil.
2 Likes #8
this won't make me very popular but here goes...

there's no room for sentiment or reminiscing about the good old days, it's a business & has to make money/break even/rely on state handouts like UK mines did for years.

option A for the hardworking miner is stay in that area but do something similar, in a quarry for example, plenty of those around.
option B is pack a bag & work where the mines are, eastern Europe, Turkey, China + lots of African countries.

no point whining about stuff getting all bitter & hoping things go back to the way they were 50 years ago, need to be realistic & seek out new opportunities to earn some cash
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shadey12
Rubisco
shadey12
Stevielar
That's what I thought but the priceless skills & experience will be lost.
Lost years ago, Thank Thatcher and the tories.
and Scargill.
thatcher wanted to destroy the union's, it didn't matter about Scargill, the woman was pure evil.
And Scargill wanted to destroy Thatcher, like he destroyed Heath.

She didn't want to destroy the unions because she got some sort of perverse kick out of it.
2 Likes #10
#11
Rubisco
shadey12
Rubisco
shadey12
Stevielar
That's what I thought but the priceless skills & experience will be lost.
Lost years ago, Thank Thatcher and the tories.
and Scargill.
thatcher wanted to destroy the union's, it didn't matter about Scargill, the woman was pure evil.
And Scargill wanted to destroy Thatcher, like he destroyed Heath.

She didn't want to destroy the unions because she got some sort of perverse kick out of it.


and that's why amber Rudd wants to hold an enquiry into orgreave?
to clear it all up and absolve downing street and Thatcher of any blame.
1 Like #12
DarkEnergy2012
this won't make me very popular but here goes...
there's no room for sentiment or reminiscing about the good old days, it's a business & has to make money/break even/rely on state handouts like UK mines did for years.
option A for the hardworking miner is stay in that area but do something similar, in a quarry for example, plenty of those around.
option B is pack a bag & work where the mines are, eastern Europe, Turkey, China + lots of African countries.
no point whining about stuff getting all bitter & hoping things go back to the way they were 50 years ago, need to be realistic & seek out new opportunities to earn some cash

That's not what the show is about.

They did stay in the area, there are no jobs.

How would they move them and their family to those places, when manual labour is dirt cheap there.

The point about mining areas is there are no other opportunity, do you think working down a mine and living in poverty is anyone's chosen profession in the first place?

For someone talking economics you kind of missed out the basic economical facts.

Edited By: catbeans on Nov 22, 2016 02:11
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no money for the miners but they find 370,000,000 to decorate the leeches palace
#14
catbeans
DarkEnergy2012
this won't make me very popular but here goes...
there's no room for sentiment or reminiscing about the good old days, it's a business & has to make money/break even/rely on state handouts like UK mines did for years.
option A for the hardworking miner is stay in that area but do something similar, in a quarry for example, plenty of those around.
option B is pack a bag & work where the mines are, eastern Europe, Turkey, China + lots of African countries.
no point whining about stuff getting all bitter & hoping things go back to the way they were 50 years ago, need to be realistic & seek out new opportunities to earn some cash

That's not what the show is about.

They did stay in the area, there are no jobs.

How would they move them and their family to those places, when manual labour is dirt cheap there.

The point about mining areas is there are no other opportunity, do you think working down a mine and living in poverty is anyone's chosen profession in the first place?

For someone talking economics you kind of missed out the basic economical facts.


Just for record how much does an average miner earn ? I'm pretty sure it was a good wage historically but with health hazzards.
#15
kester76
catbeans
DarkEnergy2012
this won't make me very popular but here goes...
there's no room for sentiment or reminiscing about the good old days, it's a business & has to make money/break even/rely on state handouts like UK mines did for years.
option A for the hardworking miner is stay in that area but do something similar, in a quarry for example, plenty of those around.
option B is pack a bag & work where the mines are, eastern Europe, Turkey, China + lots of African countries.
no point whining about stuff getting all bitter & hoping things go back to the way they were 50 years ago, need to be realistic & seek out new opportunities to earn some cash

That's not what the show is about.

They did stay in the area, there are no jobs.

How would they move them and their family to those places, when manual labour is dirt cheap there.

The point about mining areas is there are no other opportunity, do you think working down a mine and living in poverty is anyone's chosen profession in the first place?

For someone talking economics you kind of missed out the basic economical facts.


Just for record how much does an average miner earn ? I'm pretty sure it was a good wage historically but with health hazzards.


nothing, now.
#16
With modern technology advancing miners would be a thing of the past anyway, robotic machinery would do the dangerous work underground and much cheaper.
#17
It's tragic how entire communities were decimated and to this day have still not recovered.

If they haven't recovered after all these years it's probably their own fault for hanging on the the past, wallowing in self pity and not trying. It's easier to blame someone else.
I started my working life down the pit in a coal mining area, so I feel can comment. A lot of the villages around where I lived have recovered, the areas where the pits used to be are mostly business parks and the spoil heaps have been turned into country parks etc. And, the area is a lot cleaner/smarter.
Miners worked hard yes, but it wasn't the only job available, then, and now. Miners were not heroes, mostly they were self opinionated militant unionists and failed to see what was coming for being that way.
I still know a lot of ex miners, and there aren't many of them 'pining' for the past, life is better these days.
1 Like #18
I seen that program brought some memories back I was a child then I remember seeing people crying in the street our local shop gave people credit so they could eat , I use to give my mum my paper round money and I got a cash in hand job on a night after school gave her that too not a nice time, they were militant but very proud people at least they stuck up for what they believed in not like nowadays were people in works dare not say anything as fear of loosing there jobs , the days of the unions have gone I moved away when I became old enough due to no jobs , but why should people have to move away for jobs Maggie thatcher and scargill are from the same breed he hasn't done too bad for himself either when Maggie died I seen people in my local pub celebrate and they wasn't even miners good riddance I say

Edited By: mercslkman on Nov 22, 2016 13:54
#19
I wonder what it's like to be surrounded by mining jobs and that's all you know you're surrounded by it, that's all you learnt for the best part of your working life , and then being told go forth and do something else .
I too wonder why they don't move on and find a job in an office or something but I don't wonder for too long.
I wonder why they can't move from one trade to another like I and loads of people I know do , Why won't they do it but again I don't wonder for too long .
2 Likes #20
donaldduck2
Seemed like a decent bunch of mainly elderly chaps who are not afraid of hard graft. Doubt many 18 year olds would last 1 day down that mine.
At least by stop mining now we will always have huge coal reserves to fall back on if we ever need it.

We shouldn't judge everyone the same, I know a few 18 years who would love the chance to prove you wrong, I also know a few elderly guys who are shirkers and scroungers.


Edited By: haritori on Nov 22, 2016 15:33
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haritori
donaldduck2
Seemed like a decent bunch of mainly elderly chaps who are not afraid of hard graft. Doubt many 18 year olds would last 1 day down that mine.
At least by stop mining now we will always have huge coal reserves to fall back on if we ever need it.
We shouldn't judge everyone the same, I know a few 18 years who would love the chance to prove you wrong, I also know a few elderly guys who are shirkers and scroungers.

I did not say all and no doubt there are the exceptional ones who will work hard and achieve great things. I commented based on my experience of employing youngsters straight from school.

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