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BTEC or GCSE PE

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5y, 1m agoPosted 5 years, 1 month ago
My son has chosen GCSE PE as one of his options, he enjoys the subject and has done very well in it, also representing the school in 2 sports teams. Yesterday he's come home with the new timetable and hes been put in the BTEC PE group which he's not happy with.(too many children wanting to do gcse pe) He says its limiting him with choices he can make also being continual assesment which he doesnt want to do.
He's going to speak with his teacher today to try and swap to his chosen option.

Any advice on what to do next?
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5y, 1m agoPosted 5 years, 1 month ago
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#1
I'm sure BTECS are higher than GCSE
#2
"He's going to speak with his teacher today to try and swap to his chosen option."

Wait until after this has happened.
#3
dinkii
I'm sure BTECS are higher than GCSE

Depends on what level of BTEC he will be studying for. Here is the guide:

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/EducationAndLearning/QualificationsExplained/DG_10039017
banned#4
dinkii
I'm sure BTECS are higher than GCSE

+1
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dinkii
I'm sure BTECS are higher than GCSE


No BTEC isn't higher it is meat to be a equivalent qualification but in reality it isnt looked upon the same way by students, teachers and employers.
#6
As someone who teaches both:

The BTEC is an EQUIVALENT qualification worth 2 GCSEs. There are no exams and it is all coursework based. There is also a lot more of a coaching aspect to it aswell (in my school we have kids in from a local primary school who the students run training sessions with)

GCSE PE is more biologically based and there are exams.

BTECs are not thought of and regarded as what they once were, They are quickly becoming backbones of curriculums. they are simply a way of learning that suits a different style and if taught well are very good.

How 'academically' able is your son? Better with coursework or exams?
banned#7
mum2b
dinkii
I'm sure BTECS are higher than GCSE


No BTEC isn't higher it is meat to be a equivalent qualification but in reality it isnt looked upon the same way by students, teachers and employers.

BTECS have always been higher than GCSEs

GCSEs are as basic as they come

Edited By: csiman on Jun 07, 2011 11:39
#8
csiman
mum2b
dinkii
I'm sure BTECS are higher than GCSE


No BTEC isn't higher it is meat to be a equivalent qualification but in reality it isnt looked upon the same way by students, teachers and employers.

BTECS have always been higher than GCSEs

GCSEs are as basic as they come


a level 1 btech is the same as GCSE, where as a level 2 is higher. depends on which level he is doing. But a lot of schools are doing Btechs.
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btech are for those who did need help - you need to be chosen - they are laughed at
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I did a BTEC at college, which was equivalent of 3 A levels. It got my into Uni with ease, though the subject wasn't PE.

Hope this helps.

EDIT:

I chose to do the BTEC as it was a more hands on and practical approach. I also got 3 distinctions, which was 360 UCAS points, equivalent of 3 As.

There is no shame in BTECs.

Edited By: farfromout on Jun 07, 2011 12:11
#11
farfromout
I did a BTEC at college, which was equivalent of 3 A levels. It got my into Uni with ease, though the subject wasn't PE.

Hope this helps.

EDIT:

I chose to do the BTEC as it was a more hands on and practical approach. I also got 3 distinctions, which was 360 UCAS points, equivalent of 3 As.

There is no shame in BTECs.

but nowadays russell groups wont look at people with btec
#12
Thanks for replies
He decided to opt for the GCSE path after the options evening in school, the BTEC path was not put in a good light by one of the sports teachers, who said its more self directed learning, vast amounts of course work, and better suited to those who dont like exams. also the amount of sports is limited.
He's doing well in this subject because he enjoys it, and enjoys all sports. He's doing well at school, and is looking ahead at what he wants to do.
He was gutted yesterday, and I only hope he can sort this out today, If not I need a plan of what to do next.
#13
From what I know Btec Level 2 is the equivalent of GCSE level.

In Level 3 (equivalent to A Level) a distinction is like an 'A' grade A-Level, a Merit is a 'C' grade and Pass is an 'E' grade

I would definitely try and get him on the GCSE course though, BTEC is a vast amount of coursework, whilst I didn't find the theory part of GCSE PE difficult at all.
#14
Mrs.Z
From what I know Btec Level 2 is the equivalent of GCSE level.

In Level 3 (equivalent to A Level) a distinction is like an 'A' grade A-Level, a Merit is a 'C' grade and Pass is an 'E' grade

I would definitely try and get him on the GCSE course though, BTEC is a vast amount of coursework, whilst I didn't find the theory part of GCSE PE difficult at all.


I did btech level 2 at college and it would have got me into uni.
banned#15
Jetpac
As someone who teaches both:

The BTEC is an EQUIVALENT qualification worth 2 GCSEs. There are no exams and it is all coursework based. There is also a lot more of a coaching aspect to it aswell (in my school we have kids in from a local primary school who the students run training sessions with)

GCSE PE is more biologically based and there are exams.

BTECs are not thought of and regarded as what they once were, They are quickly becoming backbones of curriculums. they are simply a way of learning that suits a different style and if taught well are very good.

How 'academically' able is your son? Better with coursework or exams?

Thanks for the actual facts
#16
csiman

Thanks for the actual facts


Oh and just to clarify further i mean the BTEC your son will be taking at Secondary...The BTECs at colleges are different and equivalent to different qualifications.
#17
If he's looking at certain courses that he wants to do later on at college maybe it would be worth contacting some of them and asking them how they view the GCSE v BTEC options. They might tell you that they'd be just as happy with both or that one is seen as higher in their estimation than the other which would give you a better indication for him of how hard to push on the options side of things.

Failing that, is there a student who's currently on the GCSE course who'd prefer the BTEC course? If so then they could simply ask to swap.
#18
Kitten13
Mrs.Z
From what I know Btec Level 2 is the equivalent of GCSE level.

In Level 3 (equivalent to A Level) a distinction is like an 'A' grade A-Level, a Merit is a 'C' grade and Pass is an 'E' grade

I would definitely try and get him on the GCSE course though, BTEC is a vast amount of coursework, whilst I didn't find the theory part of GCSE PE difficult at all.


I did btech level 2 at college and it would have got me into uni.

It depends on the course you are applying for and what level you are starting at, I assume a Level 2 BTec would be enough to get into a foundation degree. Do you get Ucas points for a level 2 BTEC?
#19
csiman
Jetpac
As someone who teaches both:

The BTEC is an EQUIVALENT qualification worth 2 GCSEs. There are no exams and it is all coursework based. There is also a lot more of a coaching aspect to it aswell (in my school we have kids in from a local primary school who the students run training sessions with)

GCSE PE is more biologically based and there are exams.

BTECs are not thought of and regarded as what they once were, They are quickly becoming backbones of curriculums. they are simply a way of learning that suits a different style and if taught well are very good.

How 'academically' able is your son? Better with coursework or exams?

Thanks for the actual facts



This is part true - it depends on whether he will be entered for a Certifcate (worth 2 GCSE grades) or the Diploma (worth 4 GCSE) grades.
banned#20
Did CSIman get suspended for the comment on here? Seems very harsh mods!
#21
Thanks everyone, panic over. Swapped to GCSE after some gentle negotiation.
#22
One year on....... We are facing a similar dilemma. Having read all the comments on GCSE v Btec, I am now confused. In today's world is BTEC recognised with employers?
My grand daughter wants to do PE GCSE and has been refused it despite being top of the school for certain PE events and being only 13yrs. She is not very academic but very commited to PE so which would be more valuable to her AND future employment?
Can anyone help? We are making an appointment at her school but want some insight from others before this!
#23
As Michael Gove has changed the values of the BTEC qualifications to 1 GCSE equivalent for the headline figures there is no qualifications advantage. However PE is not just about performing it is also about Human Physiology as well for physios etc so I woukd see which has the most practical side as you have already stated that she is not very academic.
banned#24
There about the same tbh, If he's going to college and want's to study PE at a higher level, it won't matter if he's done btec PE or GCSE. The options he has still remains the exact same.
suspended#25
AVOID BTEC'S !!!!!! easy route for div kids alot of my friends were told all this mumbo that btecs are equivalent to a million gcse's but they are just mickey mouse and colleges know this
#26
YeezY911
AVOID BTEC'S !!!!!! easy route for div kids alot of my friends were told all this mumbo that btecs are equivalent to a million gcse's but they are just mickey mouse and colleges know this

Total ****!

Diplomas used to be worth 4 GCSE Equivalents and in some practical subjects are better for progression into the working world.

That said, some of our high flying kids studied a BTEC and got Distinction* (A* equivalent) and one now attends Oxford University (and no, not Oxford Brookes!), others getting into places like Warwick University, Birmingham University (not just some old Polytechnic!) so kids who can succeed will succeed, whatever the qualification.

Edited By: bassman_uk on Jun 17, 2012 15:47
#27
sherg
There about the same tbh, If he's going to college and want's to study PE at a higher level, it won't matter if he's done btec PE or GCSE. The options he has still remains the exact same.

Its not a neccesary qualification to study it at higher level either... you dont even need A level PE
to do a degree you need Biology - Speaking as someone with a degree in Sports and exercise science and no qualification in GCSE or A level sports science.

As Bassman said... Yeez is a moron.. ignore him.

It all depends on what your son wants... BTEC PE is a lot more practical sessions than GCSE. They cover mostly the same subject matter however the BTEC has a more practical application and includes more sessions on leadership and coaching rather than the accute physiology focus (Again.. i know this because i teach both alongside science).

Options are the same from GCSE or BTEC PE.
I would however say slightly if your child wants to go into a coaching / instructor role then the BTEC is more appropriate if your child is looking to go on to sports science at Degree level (im assuming not as it is an incredibly academic subject contrary to what most believe) in order to take on a more support role (psychologist, nutritionist, etc.) then GCSE is more appropriate.

although again.. wont massively effect life choises... as long as they progress onto the most appropriate further education course that is what sets really for longer term employment.
suspended#28
Jetpac
sherg
There about the same tbh, If he's going to college and want's to study PE at a higher level, it won't matter if he's done btec PE or GCSE. The options he has still remains the exact same.

Its not a neccesary qualification to study it at higher level either... you dont even need A level PE
to do a degree you need Biology - Speaking as someone with a degree in Sports and exercise science and no qualification in GCSE or A level sports science.

As Bassman said... Yeez is a moron.. ignore him.

It all depends on what your son wants... BTEC PE is a lot more practical sessions than GCSE. They cover mostly the same subject matter however the BTEC has a more practical application and includes more sessions on leadership and coaching rather than the accute physiology focus (Again.. i know this because i teach both alongside science).

Options are the same from GCSE or BTEC PE.
I would however say slightly if your child wants to go into a coaching / instructor role then the BTEC is more appropriate if your child is looking to go on to sports science at Degree level (im assuming not as it is an incredibly academic subject contrary to what most believe) in order to take on a more support role (psychologist, nutritionist, etc.) then GCSE is more appropriate.

although again.. wont massively effect life choises... as long as they progress onto the most appropriate further education course that is what sets really for longer term employment.


I take it you know sixth form tutors then do you as theyll confirm my statment to you (maybe in a slighlty more diplomatic way) if not shut up!
#29
I think a few members are confusing the different levels of BTEC's ITT.

If your child is more acedemically minded he should go for the GCSE option which combines practical/coursework and an exam. If hes better at coursework then he should go for the BTEC as it is 100% coursework based.

Teachers in the school i volunteer at put children who they feel would struggle with an exam on this course. The children on this course from personal experience (i cannot generalise based on one school however) are far more disruptive and easily distracted compared to the GCSE groups.

This makes it far more difficult for children who want to get a distinction on the course to do so as a teacher has to focus more on class management than helping a child reach a higher grade.

If i had a son or daughter i would prefer them to complete the GCSE course however there is nothing wrong with a child doing a BTEC and it wont halt their progress into college.
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YeezY911

I take it you know sixth form tutors then do you as theyll confirm my statment to you (maybe in a slighlty more diplomatic way) if not shut up!

Well as I am a secondary school teacher attached to a 6th form...who teaches A-Level Biology and the occasional bit of A Level Sports science... I guess yes.. I do know sixth form tutors... i see one every morning when i look in the mirror... I will put that bit in bold for you so you can feel a little more silly... oh and for an extra bit of joy... Bassman is also involved in education and also knows what he is talking about.

acecatcher3
I think a few members are confusing the different levels of BTEC's ITT.

If your child is more acedemically minded he should go for the GCSE option which combines practical/coursework and an exam. If hes better at coursework then he should go for the BTEC as it is 100% coursework based.

Teachers in the school i volunteer at put children who they feel would struggle with an exam on this course. The children on this course from personal experience (i cannot generalise based on one school however) are far more disruptive and easily distracted compared to the GCSE groups.

This makes it far more difficult for children who want to get a distinction on the course to do so as a teacher has to focus more on class management than helping a child reach a higher grade.

If i had a son or daughter i would prefer them to complete the GCSE course however there is nothing wrong with a child doing a BTEC and it wont halt their progress into college.

Unfortunately this is one of the current downfalls of the BTEC Courses in secondary schools.
They were designed as a vocational route for students interested in the field but not necessarily strong with exams (Hence why you see several levels in colleges. However They have started to be used as dumping grounds in some (by no means all) secondary schools for SEN and BESD students rather than being utilised to their original brief.

Edited By: Jetpac on Jun 18, 2012 01:33
suspended#31
If hes better at coursework then he should go for the BTEC as it is 100% coursework based.

Another example to back me up
#32
YeezY911
If hes better at coursework then he should go for the BTEC as it is 100% coursework based.

Another example to back me up

An example from where?... it is also 100% Incorrect But you know lets keep going.. because you quite clearly know more than me.

A lot of the BTEC Courses are changing to be around 30% exam from September. Having seen the specced science paper... it is tricky and you need a real and applicable knowledge of scientific method to pass..

So please carry on... how exactly is BTEC for the "div kids" I would like to know more on your thoughts about course structure and the syllabuses being taught... Some of the brightest kids at my school are taking the BTEC course.. BECAUSE IT SUITS THE WAY THEY LEARN.
#33
Not as good as a CSE. :p
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deek72
Not as good as a CSE. :p

CSE???? that got phased out with the plague X)
#35
YeezY911
If hes better at coursework then he should go for the BTEC as it is 100% coursework based.

Another example to back me up

What does it back up?

As I read it, you are saying that only 'div kids' (as you call them!) benefit from 100% coursework? Also you are saying that something that is 100% coursework is aimed at these people too?

As Jetpac has stated, the BTECS have now been changed to incorporate around a 30% examination assessment element. This now disproves your theory as well, does it not? Especially as GCSEs have coursework elements in them too.

Have a think and get back to us!
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Rupz
deek72
Not as good as a CSE. :p

CSE???? that got phased out with the plague X)

Ok, Ok! No need to go on about it :(
#37
it seems people still think Btec is for the mentally retarded.Well i can tell you i studied for a btec at college as it was more hands on. I completed my degree and masters and have a kick ass job working as a research fellow at a R&D facility. Oh and im also studying for my PhD..... not bad for someone who studied for a btec right ;)

Edited By: Rupz on Jun 18, 2012 11:26
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Rupz
it seems people still think Btec is for the mentally retarded.Well i can tell you i studied for a btec at college as it was more hands on. I completed my degree and masters and have a kick ass job working as a research fellow at a R&D facility. Oh and im also studying for my PhD..... not bad for someone who studied for a btec right ;)

Still not as good as a CSE.
#39
deek72
Rupz
it seems people still think Btec is for the mentally retarded.Well i can tell you i studied for a btec at college as it was more hands on. I completed my degree and masters and have a kick ass job working as a research fellow at a R&D facility. Oh and im also studying for my PhD..... not bad for someone who studied for a btec right ;)

Still not as good as a CSE.

I will raise you my Certificate in Preparation for Working Life

http://web.aqa.org.uk/qual/newgcses/work-related-learning/prep-work-life-overview.php
#40
deek72
Rupz
it seems people still think Btec is for the mentally retarded.Well i can tell you i studied for a btec at college as it was more hands on. I completed my degree and masters and have a kick ass job working as a research fellow at a R&D facility. Oh and im also studying for my PhD..... not bad for someone who studied for a btec right ;)

Still not as good as a CSE.


i was hoping you would at the very least, see it as an equivalent X)

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