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I need a new PC i would require lots of hard drive space 3-4gig ram a decent 5.1 or upwards card a graphics card=not going to be useed for gaming new case-which 1? which motherboard ? mouse, ke… Read More
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8y, 11m agoPosted 8 years, 11 months ago
I need a new PC
i would require lots of hard drive space
3-4gig ram
a decent 5.1 or upwards card
a graphics card=not going to be useed for gaming
new case-which 1?
which motherboard ?
mouse, keyboard etc would i need?
want to spend around £500 or
with a decent processor, possibly even a internal blurary.hd writer and player
any ideas?
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8y, 11m agoPosted 8 years, 11 months ago
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#1
You looking to build yourself or buy?
#2
so its not for gaming, im guessing your wanting more off a media pc?
banned#3
Have you tried novatech for parts...

[url]www.novatech.co.uk[/url]
#4
Novatech are indeed good, particularly for customer service, although their choice of components can be slightly limited - also try Scan, OverclockersUK, Ebuyer, Aria etc for parts too :thumbsup:

....however to make the right suggestions it would be nice to know exactly what the main use of the PC is, and indeed whether it is a self-build or pre-built jobby.
#5
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z106/emasu/Untitled-3-1.png?t=1215023717

How much HDD space do you mean by "lots"?

I may have gone a bit overboard on the GFX so you could swap the 8600 card for another HDD if you wish.

And you may not want a quad core.
#6
I like that spec emasu - nicely matched :thumbsup:
#7
I like this setup as well, with a decent dual core (if you prefer it) I've downgraded to the 7600GT (its a good card, I've got one) and the Xfi Xtreme Music Card (Very good, again I've got one). You said wanted lots of storage, so you 1TB here!

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z106/emasu/Untitled-24.png?t=1215027230
#8
Again a nice spec - but I'm guessing he probably needs an operating system too within the price, so an OEM copy of Vista Home Premium at £58.95 needs to be added.
#9
It becomes very difficult to squeeze an OS in there as well - you'd probably have to cut back to 500gb on that spec, then it would be £509 with Vista Home Premium
#10
Still a good price for a good spec though :thumbsup:
#11
they haven't half put the price up on that case/psu combi, not so good value anymore
#12
I know.. was going to get one for myself when i get a new ATI card but will be getting a Sonata now.
#13
Given that gaming isn't a requirement I would get a lower end cpu and a lesser graphics card.
For general use one of the older Allendales would be plenty sufficient.

That would free up funds for the OS and go towards an LG HD/Blu ray drive.

In fact, without gaming, is there any need for a gpu at all?

Plenty of decent lil matx boards with onboard graphics around.
#14
If you're going for a bluray writer, i'd suggest a conroe/wolfdale TBH, which is why i factored one in. If not a PDC which you can clock like nuts would probably be suffiecient.
#15
I use an X2 3800+ and onboard graphics but then I have only played HD DVD.
Not tried blu-ray yet but I get the impression it puts more load on the cpu.
#16
You can't use more then 3GB of RAM unless you have a 64Bit OS, so I recommend using only 1 set of the Dual Channel RAM.
#17
2gb is plenty enough anyway ;-)
#18
maddogb
they haven't half put the price up on that case/psu combi, not so good value anymore


I bought the Cooolmaster 330 case/combo from ebuyer back in February and paid £42.99.

It is now £57.99.

A nice combination though, with a quiet fan.
#19
LG Electronics Blu-Ray & HD-DVD-Rom Combo 16x DVDRW Black Bare SATA With Software 145553 £74.79
1TB (2x Maxtor 500GB) Hard Drive SATAII 7200rpm *32MB Cache* - OEM 141471 £89.99
4 GB Corsair (4x1GB) DDR2 800MHz/PC2-6400 XMS2 Memory Non-ECC Unbuffered CL5 Heat Spreader Lifetime Warranty 098710 £63.97
Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H 780G Socket AM2+ onboard VGA 8 channel audio mATX Motherboard 142347 £58.20
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4850e 2.5GHz Socket AM2 Energy Efficient 1MB L2 Cache Retail Boxed Processor 144638 46 in stock £50.38
Arctic Power 700W PSU - With PCI-E, 4x SATA, 20+4, ATX12V, 8pin +12V Connectors - Retail Boxed 124927 62 in stock £40.99
(Cart total inc vat: Cart total inc vat: £389.02

The above is a good spec according to me. I am running something similar, the main thing here is the mobo, which is an AM2+ mobo, so it will take Phenoms and tri cores as well if you wish to upgrade once they get energy efficient. The mobo also has HDMI out, and DTS HD Sound, PCI X16 2.0. In addition it has the ATI HD3200 on board GFX which gives it HD decoding on board without using CPU. Ideal for a media centre. The Mobo also supports Hybrid crossfireX, so in the future you can add a mid level GFX card and run both the onboard and dedicated GFX in crossfire mode with upto 4 monitors, which is good. SO as a mdei centre PC the mobo is great, mATX as well.

You will need to add
Case (depending on what look you want)
Wifi/Bluetooth card/dongle
Wireless keyboard and mouse.

I use a stock cooler with the above config and it runs a treat. Also note for the price you have HDDVD and blue ray playback!! 1 TB HDD and 4 Gb RAM, you might want to cut down to 2Gb as you need 64 bitOS to use 4 GB.
#20
your need a good cpu and quite good gpu if you want to stream 1080p material gaming or not.
#21
Nice little board that Gigabyte :thumbsup:
#22
I thought that 32bit OS could use 3.5gb? And as the onboard graphics will use at least 256mb 4gb should be about right.
#23
Daytrader
your need a good cpu and quite good gpu if you want to stream 1080p material gaming or not.



Nope not correct, you can decode 1080P HD using the new ATI 3XXX series even a ATI3200 as all the decoding is done on the GFX using a dedicated chipset (integrated into the GFX core). I have seen people run this with semprons as well. Yes 2GB of RAM is helpful!! I can decode on my gigabyte mobo without a GFX card as I have the ATI3200 HD shipset in built in the 780G bridge!! Works like a treat!!
#24
GAVINLEWISHUKD
I thought that 32bit OS could use 3.5gb? And as the onboard graphics will use at least 256mb 4gb should be about right.


Yes it can, I always felt 3GB was an odd figure, because eventually when you upgrade, you have to get rid of the 1 gb stick.. I know its just a 10ner but even still. But you are right, with the gigabyte, you can set the video buffer to 512MB and overclock the integrated GPU to 800Mhz without cooling!!

vaiopup
Nice little board that Gigabyte :thumbsup:


Yeah the board is great, i just feel i should have waited for the ATX version (its out now) as its got more PCI slots and looks better laid. I don know if you have tried it but you can put another GFX and still have the on board GFX working, enabling 4 monitors working at once..
BTW mini-itx version is on pre order.. looks like a cracker for a mac mini style Media server!!

And finally figured out how to get this multi quote thing to work!! No more multiple posts.. Yippe!
#25
unileeds
Nope not correct, you can decode 1080P HD using the new ATI 3XXX series even a ATI3200 as all the decoding is done on the GFX using a dedicated chipset (integrated into the GFX core). I have seen people run this with semprons as well. Yes 2GB of RAM is helpful!! I can decode on my gigabyte mobo without a GFX card as I have the ATI3200 HD shipset in built in the 780G bridge!! Works like a treat!!


well i am correct as the 3 series is a newish card i have a 6800gs, i did say quite new card.
#26
Daytrader
well i am correct as the 3 series is a newish card i have a 6800gs, i did say quite new card.


hmmm right.. yes 2 weeks back i would have thought so as well as I was running a ATi9250 256mb AGP.. lol!! but yes, the cheap 3200HD and a decent sempron will make 1080p a breeze!! I reckon most new Nvidia cards have onboard decoding as well!!
#27
unileeds
hmmm right.. yes 2 weeks back i would have thought so as well as I was running a ATi9250 256mb AGP.. lol!! but yes, the cheap 3200HD and a decent sempron will make 1080p a breeze!! I reckon most new Nvidia cards have onboard decoding as well!!


i still running a 2700 thunderbird cpu aslo, you remember them ;-)
#28
hey everyone im not technically great with all the latest graphics and sound cards etc!!
all i want is a pc to:

Browse the net easily, play hd films but for that I may not now need a hd dvd player as i have the xbox 360 hd add on-so can i just download the drivers and play hd films using that?

what sound card would be appropriate?
how much ram?
what case and power supply would be ideal and best of all
a motherboard, do any motherboards have hdmi?!
all in all i need a pc just for home and office use and playing hd films and good quality sound.
btw i will be using my sony kdl20s3000u tv as a monitor or should i invest in a better monitor?
#29
can the ram be upgraded on this system?
ps i also dont need a dvd rom-i have a samsung kreon that would be ok
and i have also a pioneer 112 dvd writer
so taking these out, what would i need to do watch films in hd, mkv etc, and i may connect it to my xbox 360. and ps3?!
#30
is it possible to have a dvd writer, a dvd rom and a bluray reader.writer in the same machine?
or do you think i shoud keep my system as a spare?!
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unileeds
Nope not correct, you can decode 1080P HD using the new ATI 3XXX series even a ATI3200 as all the decoding is done on the GFX using a dedicated chipset (integrated into the GFX core). I have seen people run this with semprons as well. Yes 2GB of RAM is helpful!! I can decode on my gigabyte mobo without a GFX card as I have the ATI3200 HD shipset in built in the 780G bridge!! Works like a treat!!


True, but it only applies to certain encodings (those used for blu-ray and HD DVD included) and not to every 1080p video so it's a good idea to have a CPU that can handle it on it's own even if you want to include a video card or one of the new onboard graphics chips to help where it can (which should result in slightly less power consumption, and possibly noise if your CPU fan is noisy). The HD3200 is the integrated chipset, the lowest discrete card is the HD3450.

roadie
hey everyone im not technically great with all the latest graphics and sound cards etc!!
all i want is a pc to:

Browse the net easily, play hd films but for that I may not now need a hd dvd player as i have the xbox 360 hd add on-so can i just download the drivers and play hd films using that?

what sound card would be appropriate?


Browsing the net is no problem, even a computer from five years ago won't struggle with that.

Sound card? I don't think there are many around right now that'll handle the HD audio that comes with blu-ray so it might be worth waiting a year and then adding the sound card then. If you don't fancy that then you can't go wrong with an X-Fi or Xonar.

roadie
can the ram be upgraded on this system?
ps i also dont need a dvd rom-i have a samsung kreon that would be ok
and i have also a pioneer 112 dvd writer
so taking these out, what would i need to do watch films in hd, mkv etc, and i may connect it to my xbox 360. and ps3?!


Ram can be upgraded in any standard desktop system, although if you're going for Vista 32-bit you'd also have to switch that to a 64-bit OS before upgrading beyond 3-4GB would make any difference.

roadie
is it possible to have a dvd writer, a dvd rom and a bluray reader.writer in the same machine?
or do you think i shoud keep my system as a spare?!


Provided the motherboard has got enough ports for them to connect and the case has enough drive bay slots then there's no problem. On most setups three should be fine.
#32
so whats the first part i should buy?
#33
rep has been added!
#34
go to ebuyer.. and go to the cases section in components.. look at either mATX/media centre cases or gaming cases and see what you like and what fits the look you want. select one and then buy all the other kit.. once delivered put it together.. decide what OS you want, make sure you order that with the hardware to be eligible for OEM versions..
#35
i want a case which can handle a dvd writer and a bluray/hd dvd writer too!
if you know any let me know please!
#36
well just look for one which has two 5.25 external bays,

ebuyer paart nos 135581, 134798, 129526.. are a few.. And its better if you buy a seperate powersupply, a good 500W plus one, with lots of SATA conectors, and a good silent fan. See the PC spec I mentioned earlier!!
#37
129526 i like this cover! now whats a good power supply to go with this?
sorry im going to have to bug u as im not good at pcs at all!
#38
LG Electronics Blu-Ray & HD-DVD-Rom Combo 16x DVDRW Black Bare SATA With Software 145553 £74.79
1TB (2x Maxtor 500GB) Hard Drive SATAII 7200rpm *32MB Cache* - OEM 141471 £89.99
4 GB Corsair (4x1GB) DDR2 800MHz/PC2-6400 XMS2 Memory Non-ECC Unbuffered CL5 Heat Spreader Lifetime Warranty 098710 £63.97
Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H 780G Socket AM2+ onboard VGA 8 channel audio mATX Motherboard 142347 £58.20
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4850e 2.5GHz Socket AM2 Energy Efficient 1MB L2 Cache Retail Boxed Processor 144638 46 in stock £50.38
Arctic Power 700W PSU - With PCI-E, 4x SATA, 20+4, ATX12V, 8pin +12V Connectors - Retail Boxed 124927 62 in stock £40.99

Look at the above config, and go through it step by step. You have the product, and after that there is a six digit code, which is the ebuyer code. look at all of them.
You said you wanted a BRay writer as well as a DVD drive, any idea why you want both??? In any case for that have a look at
136317 from ebuyer for £141.72.

get back to me, once you have gone through the above. Let me know if you'd like to change anything, or even go down the Intel route rather than the AMD route. I stayed with AMD for the price/performance. You can get the neewer 65W phenoms as well, which are the most power efficient Quads in the market today.
#39
what are the 65w phenoms? i dont understand?!
I have a hd dvd player-for the xbox 360, so technically i could use that on this pc as an external hd player-would it work?!
secondly id like a bluray writer or do u think its not neccessary?!
i already have a dvd writer

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