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Bungs taken by 8 English Football Managers

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Oh dear, as if they didn't earn enough already - pure greed and foolishness... Who's been in trouble... ** QPR ** Manager Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink ** Barnsley ** Assistant head coach Tommy Wri… Read More
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8m, 18h agoPosted 8 months, 18 hours ago
Oh dear, as if they didn't earn enough already - pure greed and foolishness...

Who's been in trouble...

** QPR ** Manager Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink

** Barnsley ** Assistant head coach Tommy Wright

** Leeds ** Owner Massimo Cellino

** England, Sunderland, West Ham, Newcastle Etc. ** Sam Allardyce

Ex Telegraph

Eight current and former Premier League managers stand accused of receiving “bungs” for player transfers after The Daily Telegraph found widespread evidence of corruption in the English game.

As Sam Allardyce lost his job as England manager following the Telegraph’s disclosures about his conduct, the Football Association faced a separate crisis over the alleged bribery of managers.

Football agents were filmed by undercover reporters boasting about how many managers they had paid, with one agent saying that in football, “everything is under the table”.
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8m, 18h agoPosted 8 months, 18 hours ago
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Are people really surprised that this goes on? It may not be a old school bung in a brown envelope but it's naive to this English football was squeaky clean.

The amount of money that's splashing in football, the temptations are always there.

They just living in another world. I mean big Sam got paid £3 million a year yet still not enough.

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7 Likes #2
Are people really surprised that this goes on? It may not be a old school bung in a brown envelope but it's naive to this English football was squeaky clean.

The amount of money that's splashing in football, the temptations are always there.

They just living in another world. I mean big Sam got paid £3 million a year yet still not enough.
#3
In any other business they would face imprisonment.

But hey, not to worry. They'll soon pick up a nice job writing in the very sports pages that exposed them.
1 Like #4
doubt they have the names. more bragging (which may be right).
#5
$ky is to blame.
#6
The premier league, the foreigners choice....Foreign interests bringing with them there corrupt ways! We know how we can end that....
1 Like #7
shabbird
doubt they have the names. more bragging (which may be right).
Telegraph investigation into the expenses scandal was specific, I am guessing this will be too.
1 Like #8
groenleader
The premier league, the foreigners choice....Foreign interests bringing with them there corrupt ways! We know how we can end that....

Wait, are you saying corruption is something we've imported? What tiny little world do you live in? X)
3 Likes #9
groenleader
The premier league, the foreigners choice....Foreign interests bringing with them there corrupt ways! We know how we can end that....


corruption in football is rife and nothing to do with "the foreigner". Big Sam is hardly a foreigner lol. The money now in the game is obscene, and its making everyone greedy. I genuinely don't there's a part in the game that hasn't been corrupted, from the top to the bottom.
1 Like #10
what got Sam in real trouble was letting on he knew how to circumvent the 3rd party rules ownership set by the FA. everything else he could have rided through it, but that's the one thing that made his position untenable.
2 Likes #11
groenleader
The premier league, the foreigners choice....Foreign interests bringing with them there corrupt ways! We know how we can end that....

There has been corruption in English football for over 100 years, there weren't a lot of foreign interests back then.

Edited By: spoo on Sep 28, 2016 08:55
#12
leitchyleck
$ky is to blame.

Really? Did Sky arrange the bungs to be paid and persuade the managers to accept them?
1 Like #13
As I've written in Archer's thread and others have written here - it's no surprise.

Most peeps are well aware this sort of thing has been going on for years.

The interesting thing is what's the Telegraph's agenda here; was it just Allardyce they wanted out, or is it another charge at the FA, or yet another Telegraph charge at the football establishment in general?
Can't help but wonder where they're going with this and what they hope to achieve.
3 Likes #14
tryn2help
As I've written in Archer's thread and others have written here - it's no surprise.
Most peeps are well aware this sort of thing has been going on for years.
The interesting thing is what's the Telegraph's agenda here; was it just Allardyce they wanted out, or is it another charge at the FA, or yet another Telegraph charge at the football establishment in general?
Can't help but wonder where they're going with this and what they hope to achieve.

Maybe just old-fashioned principles of exposing corruption and selling newspapers?

Football's an entertainment business and stuff like this happens all the time. Sometimes it's in less obvious forms (hospitality, although there are limits) but football is by no means special in this regard. Doesn't make the people who engage in it bad (I'm sure everyone here plays by every rule, never pays cash in hand etc.) but when you get caught you have to take it on the chin.
2 Likes #15
He blames "entrapment has won" . What a complete ******.

No respect for the position he was in leading his national team.

Whoever employs him next deserves everything coming to them.
#16
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
Maybe just old-fashioned principles of exposing corruption and selling newspapers?
Yep, there's every possibility this is actually 'good' journalism, and might even be good for the game in the long run, but there's also the nagging thought this could be a personal vendetta due to the massive egos in media and football - and that's something that would definitely not be good for football.
Then again it may be something else entirely, and we may never know as we're not privy to the bigger picture.

The Telegraph move is interesting mostly because there's a lot at stake here in terms of what's good and bad for the game.

This story has once again thrown English football into disarray and it remains to be seen how much damage will be exposed/caused and the impact it will have on managers/directors/agents/players etc and also on things such as television/advertising etc.
#17
tryn2help
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
Maybe just old-fashioned principles of exposing corruption and selling newspapers?
Yep, there's every possibility this is actually 'good' journalism, and might even be good for the game in the long run, but there's also the nagging thought this could be a personal vendetta due to the massive egos in media and football - and that's something that would definitely not be good for football.
Then again it may be something else entirely, and we may never know as we're not privy to the bigger picture.
The Telegraph move is interesting mostly because there's a lot at stake here in terms of what's good and bad for the game.
This story has once again thrown English football into disarray and it remains to be seen how much damage will be exposed/caused and the impact it will have on managers/directors/agents/players etc and also on things such as television/advertising etc.

My personal view is that Allardyce was the wrong choice all along. It was unambitious and harkened back to the McClaren appointment so if we're genuinely looking at Wenger at the end of the season then this whole thing could be a blessing in disguise.

Business-wise nothing much will change.
#18
Are people thinking this is a isolated incident? Listening to 5live yesterday with motty doing a piece and he was saying, he was speaking to a club owner recently who said, away from the glitz and and glamour, football is a grubby business behind the scene's.

Corruption definitely deep in the game. Maybe not old school style but you're naive to think this does not exist in English football.
#19
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
tryn2help
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
Maybe just old-fashioned principles of exposing corruption and selling newspapers?
Yep, there's every possibility this is actually 'good' journalism, and might even be good for the game in the long run, but there's also the nagging thought this could be a personal vendetta due to the massive egos in media and football - and that's something that would definitely not be good for football.
Then again it may be something else entirely, and we may never know as we're not privy to the bigger picture.
The Telegraph move is interesting mostly because there's a lot at stake here in terms of what's good and bad for the game.
This story has once again thrown English football into disarray and it remains to be seen how much damage will be exposed/caused and the impact it will have on managers/directors/agents/players etc and also on things such as television/advertising etc.
My personal view is that Allardyce was the wrong choice all along. It was unambitious and harkened back to the McClaren appointment so if we're genuinely looking at Wenger at the end of the season then this whole thing could be a blessing in disguise.
Business-wise nothing much will change.
Think Allardyce was just brought in to steady the ship - and his record suggests he's well capable of doing that, just wondering if he's steadied it enough for the next bloke to take it forward - or if the whole thing is back in stormy waters.:(
1 Like #20
EN1GMA
Are people thinking this is a isolated incident? Listening to 5live yesterday with motty doing a piece and he was saying, he was speaking to a club owner recently who said, away from the glitz and and glamour, football is a grubby business behind the scene's.
Corruption definitely deep in the game. Maybe not old school style but you're naive to think this does not exist in English football.
I personally don't think it's an isolated incident, and I'd be surprised if anyone did.

I think we all know the game's awash with money and money attracts all sorts of characters indulging in all sorts of 'grubby' behaviour - and indeed it can bring out the worst in the best of people.

I'm half expecting this whole thing to somehow land at the door of Shauneco and his mates X)
1 Like #21
Allardyce has "steadied" no ship.

He's torpedoed it and sabotaged the life rafts. The man is vile.
1 Like #23
hope he's so peed off he starts to drag others down with him X)

I think the press want Eddie Howe and did the sting to try to get Sam which they did. what a TOOL. Gets paid £3mil and yet sniffing around 'easy money'. its not as if he's not loaded already.

he could have ridden the storm but the circumventing the 3rd party rules, that's a no no.
1 Like #24
tryn2help
I'm half expecting this whole thing to somehow land at the door of Shauneco and his mates X)
Interestingly, the meetings between the Telegraph journalists and Pino Pagliara, the football agent, took place at San Carlo Restaurant in Manchester described as 'the Italian restaurant that doubles as the football world’s meeting room'. Manchester certainly seems to be where a lot of football's money is currently.
#25
EN1GMA
hope he's so peed off he starts to drag others down with him X)

I think the press want Eddie Howe and did the sting to try to get Sam which they did. what a TOOL. Gets paid £3mil and yet sniffing around 'easy money'. its not as if he's not loaded already.

he could have ridden the storm but the circumventing the 3rd party rules, that's a no no.


he said today he wanted to stay in Football ...amazingly
#26
RonChew
tryn2help
I'm half expecting this whole thing to somehow land at the door of Shauneco and his mates X)
Interestingly, the meetings between the Telegraph journalists and Pino Pagliara, the football agent, took place at San Carlo Restaurant in Manchester described as 'the Italian restaurant that doubles as the football world’s meeting room'. Manchester certainly seems to be where a lot of football's money is currently.


man united and man city have been major clubs for generations...think you'll find that Liverpool and London have their fair share too.
2 Likes #27
Was a fair bit of support for Allerdyce on TalkSport from presenters & fans.

Many saying media were unpatriotic or he was a victim of entrapment.

Didn't see similar comments when the 4 cricketers went to jail over pocket money sums.

I applaud The Telegraph

Edited By: Gollywood on Sep 28, 2016 16:26: no
#28
RonChew
tryn2help
I'm half expecting this whole thing to somehow land at the door of Shauneco and his mates X)
Interestingly, the meetings between the Telegraph journalists and Pino Pagliara, the football agent, took place at San Carlo Restaurant in Manchester described as 'the Italian restaurant that doubles as the football world’s meeting room'. Manchester certainly seems to be where a lot of football's money is currently.
I hope City aren't caught up in it, but nothing is sacred when money's concerned; I only mentioned Shauneco's mob as many in the press are barely able to conceal their hatred for all things Man U - especially Fergie - they'd wet themselves at the thought of taking him down X)

. . . . but, there is always the off chance the journo's are genuinely concerned about the good of the game :{X)
2 Likes #29
davewave
RonChew
tryn2help
I'm half expecting this whole thing to somehow land at the door of Shauneco and his mates X)
Interestingly, the meetings between the Telegraph journalists and Pino Pagliara, the football agent, took place at San Carlo Restaurant in Manchester described as 'the Italian restaurant that doubles as the football world’s meeting room'. Manchester certainly seems to be where a lot of football's money is currently.
man united and man city have been major clubs for generations...think you'll find that Liverpool and London have their fair share too.
It's something of an exaggeration to say that United and City have been major clubs for generations. Other than for a brief period under Sir Matt Busby, United really only became a major player in the Premiership years. City were about as successful as Fulham until the Arab cash arrived. ;)

My point was that, currently, the major spenders in Premiership football seem to be United and City, hence why someone like Pagliara (a man with a much more dubious past than Allardyce or, even, 'Arry Redknapp) is lurking around there. Abundant football money always seems to attract a certain sort of person.
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tryn2help
RonChew
tryn2help
I'm half expecting this whole thing to somehow land at the door of Shauneco and his mates X)
Interestingly, the meetings between the Telegraph journalists and Pino Pagliara, the football agent, took place at San Carlo Restaurant in Manchester described as 'the Italian restaurant that doubles as the football world’s meeting room'. Manchester certainly seems to be where a lot of football's money is currently.
I hope City aren't caught up in it, but nothing is sacred when money's concerned; I only mentioned Shauneco's mob as many in the press are barely able to conceal their hatred for all things Man U - especially Fergie - they'd wet themselves at the thought of taking him down X)
. . . . but, there is always the off chance the journo's are genuinely concerned about the good of the game :{X)
The press had a go at Ferguson many years ago over links between United and Ferguson's son's football management company. He got away with it then so I doubt there would be many journalists prepared to try again.

I doubt any club is going to be affected as the FA would be unlikely to let that happen. It will just be a few washed-up managers who will get fined and banned for a few years - which shouldn't affect them too much as they are probably near unemployable anyway. :D
#31
Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink
#32
RonChew
davewave
RonChew
tryn2help
I'm half expecting this whole thing to somehow land at the door of Shauneco and his mates X)
Interestingly, the meetings between the Telegraph journalists and Pino Pagliara, the football agent, took place at San Carlo Restaurant in Manchester described as 'the Italian restaurant that doubles as the football world’s meeting room'. Manchester certainly seems to be where a lot of football's money is currently.
man united and man city have been major clubs for generations...think you'll find that Liverpool and London have their fair share too.
It's something of an exaggeration to say that United and City have been major clubs for generations. Other than for a brief period under Sir Matt Busby, United really only became a major player in the Premiership years. City were about as successful as Fulham until the Arab cash arrived. ;)
My point was that, currently, the major spenders in Premiership football seem to be United and City, hence why someone like Pagliara (a man with a much more dubious past than Allardyce or, even, 'Arry Redknapp) is lurking around there. Abundant football money always seems to attract a certain sort of person.
would you say Chelsea is far behind?
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Did you know Chelsea, City and LFC have all spent more money on players than United have?

United are totally innocent and play by the rules, Wouldn't surprise me if Chelsea and City bent a few rules though, I think LFC wouldn't risk it though, We're both clubs with history.!.
#34
davewave
RonChew
davewave
RonChew
tryn2help
I'm half expecting this whole thing to somehow land at the door of Shauneco and his mates X)
Interestingly, the meetings between the Telegraph journalists and Pino Pagliara, the football agent, took place at San Carlo Restaurant in Manchester described as 'the Italian restaurant that doubles as the football world’s meeting room'. Manchester certainly seems to be where a lot of football's money is currently.
man united and man city have been major clubs for generations...think you'll find that Liverpool and London have their fair share too.
It's something of an exaggeration to say that United and City have been major clubs for generations. Other than for a brief period under Sir Matt Busby, United really only became a major player in the Premiership years. City were about as successful as Fulham until the Arab cash arrived. ;)
My point was that, currently, the major spenders in Premiership football seem to be United and City, hence why someone like Pagliara (a man with a much more dubious past than Allardyce or, even, 'Arry Redknapp) is lurking around there. Abundant football money always seems to attract a certain sort of person.
would you say Chelsea is far behind?
Chelsea was the first club to get a benefactor. Prior to getting Abramovich's millions, they were of a similar standing to Man City - a few good seasons mixed up with a lot more indifferent and downright bad ones.

I don't think that, currently, Chelsea are splashing around as much money in the transfer market as United and City which, to some extent, possibly, explains why Manchester seems to be graced by the presence of the likes of Pagliara. It would be interesting to know how much the Telegraph paid him for his assistance. (_;)

Really, the only club that has been a major player for generations is probably Arsenal - and, no, I am not an Arsenal fan!
#35
shauneco
Did you know Chelsea, City and LFC have all spent more money on players than United have?

United are totally innocent and play by the rules, Wouldn't surprise me if Chelsea and City bent a few rules though, I think LFC wouldn't risk it though, We're both clubs with history.!.
That story is nearly 4 years out of date. Didn't the Reds spend quite a lot of money under Van Gaal, or have the fans conveniently forgotten about him already?

And, if United are totally innocent in all their transfer dealings, why did they happily pay Sir Alex's son shedloads of money then suddenly back away when the BBC found out about it?

No smoke
#36
RonChew
shauneco
Did you know Chelsea, City and LFC have all spent more money on players than United have?

United are totally innocent and play by the rules, Wouldn't surprise me if Chelsea and City bent a few rules though, I think LFC wouldn't risk it though, We're both clubs with history.!.
That story is nearly 4 years out of date. Didn't the Reds spend quite a lot of money under Van Gaal, or have the fans conveniently forgotten about him already?

And, if United are totally innocent in all their transfer dealings, why did they happily pay Sir Alex's son shedloads of money then suddenly back away when the BBC found out about it?

No smoke


the Telegraph will reveal who's guilty.
#37
RonChew
shauneco
Did you know Chelsea, City and LFC have all spent more money on players than United have?
United are totally innocent and play by the rules, Wouldn't surprise me if Chelsea and City bent a few rules though, I think LFC wouldn't risk it though, We're both clubs with history.!.
That story is nearly 4 years out of date. Didn't the Reds spend quite a lot of money under Van Gaal, or have the fans conveniently forgotten about him already?
And, if United are totally innocent in all their transfer dealings, why did they happily pay Sir Alex's son shedloads of money then suddenly back away when the BBC found out about it?No smoke
We have spent similar amount as City and Chelsea in recent years, difference is united make more than they spend. Agents are the big problem these days.
1 Like #38
Greed in Football? Well I never.
#39
shauneco
RonChew
shauneco
Did you know Chelsea, City and LFC have all spent more money on players than United have?
United are totally innocent and play by the rules, Wouldn't surprise me if Chelsea and City bent a few rules though, I think LFC wouldn't risk it though, We're both clubs with history.!.
That story is nearly 4 years out of date. Didn't the Reds spend quite a lot of money under Van Gaal, or have the fans conveniently forgotten about him already?
And, if United are totally innocent in all their transfer dealings, why did they happily pay Sir Alex's son shedloads of money then suddenly back away when the BBC found out about it?No smoke
We have spent similar amount as City and Chelsea in recent years, difference is united make more than they spend. Agents are the big problem these days.
Or, more precisely, the owners have taken out more than they have put in. Agents are bad for football but greedy septics are no better.
1 Like #40
RonChew
shauneco
RonChew
shauneco
Did you know Chelsea, City and LFC have all spent more money on players than United have?
United are totally innocent and play by the rules, Wouldn't surprise me if Chelsea and City bent a few rules though, I think LFC wouldn't risk it though, We're both clubs with history.!.
That story is nearly 4 years out of date. Didn't the Reds spend quite a lot of money under Van Gaal, or have the fans conveniently forgotten about him already?
And, if United are totally innocent in all their transfer dealings, why did they happily pay Sir Alex's son shedloads of money then suddenly back away when the BBC found out about it?No smoke
We have spent similar amount as City and Chelsea in recent years, difference is united make more than they spend. Agents are the big problem these days.
Or, more precisely, the owners have taken out more than they have put in. Agents are bad for football but greedy septics are no better.
That idea may tank.

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