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Buying a new PC........ Any bargain deals afoot???

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banned6y, 5d agoPosted 6 years, 5 days ago
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I had been thinking about buying both kids an upgrade PC for their bedrooms, but have thought of a different option that I benefit, costs less and won't mean they will remain in their bedrooms even more!

The kids currently use what's been called "the games room" which has their consoles in. It also has my PCs, none of which are particularly cutting edge.

I was thinking about buying one that I could use separate hard drives for different accounts using effectively 3 OS on the same machine. It sounds like that's pointless now and wasteful.

So...... now just looking for a decent spec PC for use with video and photo editing and games for the kids!

Thought this would be an easy task...... but the variations on CPUs (either intel or AMD) leaves me confused - and comments on different graphics cards which will hit the spot without costing an arm and leg!

Any tips appreciated

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banned6y, 5d agoPosted 6 years, 5 days ago
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#1
main problem i can see is the fighting for who gets to play with the expensive toy!, consider a nas create seperate user accounts on the machine and locate all home folders on the nas(except yours)
banned#2
maddogb
main problem i can see is the fighting for who gets to play with the expensive toy!, consider a nas create seperate user accounts on the machine and locate all home folders on the nas(except yours)


I've already got a server... but you know how it is and how much junk gets installed or downloaded! Just think it better to have separate drives. Done it before, just dunno if its feasible now.
#3
Cheapest way would be to get two e-Sata external enclosures, a PC case that has an e-Sata connector, and switch between the two drives before booting. You could just leave theirs hooked up all the time and when you come to use it, switch and then switch back after you have finished.

Or something like this could work using the same principle as above:
http://www.scan.co.uk/search.aspx?q=LN27756

You could set-up dual boot and when the second drive (yours) isn't plugged in it cannot be booted from obviously, but when it is plugged in you can arrow down and boot from it.

Hmm, you could use just one external e-Sata enclosure that has an on/off switch (your drive). You merely need to turn it on or off to make it boot from yours. I think it should be possible to set the boot order in such a way that if your drive isn't found it boots from the internal and vice versa.

e-Sata would be the way to go as to the computer it just appears like an internal drive.

Edited By: PhearFactor on Dec 02, 2010 15:25: .
#4
Neighbour of mine converted the garage into a nice office so the kids could specifically stay away from his 3 work machines, he has a nice large 2meter glass desk.

Ultimately I agree that kids have no place near such a machine(s) imo.

However for a shared setup a dual boot makes more sense.
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Get 2 HDD's and set up a dual boot with an OS installed on each drive, one for you and one for the kids. Edit the BOOT.INI file to only point to the kids HDD. Hide your HDD from their installation by removing the drive letter to the volume(s) via Disk Management. They then won't be able to delete anything of yours or save anything to it. Copy the BOOT.INI file and burn it to a CD. If you then boot to that CD, it will boot to your clean OS installation. Job done.

Edited By: 4leafed on Dec 02, 2010 15:43
#6
don't get it,
if u already have a server just set a limit on how much disk space their accounts can use.
banned#7
4leafed
Get 2 HDD's and set up a dual boot with an OS installed on each drive, one for you and one for the kids. Edit the BOOT.INI file to only point to the kids HDD. Hide your HDD from their installation by removing the drive letter to the volume(s) via Disk Management. They then won't be able to delete anything of yours or save anything to it. Copy the BOOT.INI file and burn it to a CD. If you then boot to that CD, it will boot to your clean OS installation. Job done.


So it can be built with separate internal drives that can be set not to be visible to each other depending on who uses?
banned#8
maddogb
don't get it,
if u already have a server just set a limit on how much disk space their accounts can use.



Unless I'm missing something, they will still introduce crap onto the C drive I dont want. Or have I missunderstood you?
#9
Do you have AD on your server, or is it just a file server?
banned#10
spic
Do you have AD on your server, or is it just a file server?


AD?

Its running WHS2003... just used as a media server, with a OS drive and 8 TB of storage for media.
#11
guv
spic
Do you have AD on your server, or is it just a file server?


AD?

Its running WHS2003... just used as a media server, with a OS drive and 8 TB of storage for media.


Sorry, AD = Active Directory. Dependant on how you want to set it up, you could set up a proper domain, with accounts etc in AD, and then put the kids in separate OU's(organisational units), with GPO's (group policy objects) limiting what they can and can't do. A lot of work though, particularly for one PC, but if you like a challenge could be something to get your teeth stuck into. This will allow you to give them separate space on the server for all their files, including running programs direct from the server if you choose.
banned#12
spic
guv
spic
Do you have AD on your server, or is it just a file server?


AD?

Its running WHS2003... just used as a media server, with a OS drive and 8 TB of storage for media.


Sorry, AD = Active Directory. Dependant on how you want to set it up, you could set up a proper domain, with accounts etc in AD, and then put the kids in separate OU's(organisational units), with GPO's (group policy objects) limiting what they can and can't do. A lot of work though, particularly for one PC, but if you like a challenge could be something to get your teeth stuck into. This will allow you to give them separate space on the server for all their files, including running programs direct from the server if you choose.


It currently doesn't run with a domain name, but would like it to. Too many devices hook into it and one in particular (an AZBox satellite reciever) continually loses sight of the server when either is rebooted. I know its recommended to use a domain when over 5 devices are being used. I'm well beyond that!..... And the reason I haven't is I dont know how to!

I'm still unclear how the new machine wont be affected by different installs being made.
#13
Ok, first things first: did you originally set up your server to be a domain controller?
Have you configured your server to be your DNS server?
Have you configured your server for DHCP?

All of this can be done from "manage your server" under start > administrative tools.
banned#14
spic
Ok, first things first: did you originally set up your server to be a domain controller?
Have you configured your server to be your DNS server?


No

Have you configured your server for DHCP?


No. This is done from the router. (Netgear DGN2000)

All of this can be done from "manage your server" under start > administrative tools.


OK...... I would take a look...... but up until last weekend, the server was effectively an open case with hard drives. The drives have now been fixed, but the SATA cables I have aren't long enough and have ordered more, havent arrived yet 'cos of the snow. (Annoyingly!)

But I have attempted before to do so and got completely lost. Still cant work out why I havent been able to reconnect to the server with the azbox as it had been working fine!
#15
guv
spic
Ok, first things first: did you originally set up your server to be a domain controller?
Have you configured your server to be your DNS server?


No

Have you configured your server for DHCP?


No. This is done from the router. (Netgear DGN2000)

All of this can be done from "manage your server" under start > administrative tools.


OK...... I would take a look...... but up until last weekend, the server was effectively an open case with hard drives. The drives have now been fixed, but the SATA cables I have aren't long enough and have ordered more, havent arrived yet 'cos of the snow. (Annoyingly!)

But I have attempted before to do so and got completely lost. Still cant work out why I havent been able to reconnect to the server with the azbox as it had been working fine!


Okely dokely, well that is where I would start with the above (you can leave DHCP alone, only really needed if you want to mess about with VLAN's tbh.) If you need any further info on it then let me know. There are some good guides around, but setting up your server as a domain controller would be number one for me.
banned#16
spic
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Okely dokely, well that is where I would start with the above (you can leave DHCP alone, only really needed if you want to mess about with VLAN's tbh.) If you need any further info on it then let me know. There are some good guides around, but setting up your server as a domain controller would be number one for me.


If you find any easy to follow guides, I'd be very grateful - ta

Fingers crossed the longer SATA cables arrive tomorrow, though with 20" deep snow outside in trampled places, I doubt it!
banned#17
OK guys...... time now running out......

Have decided to drop the 3 OS /3 drive idea and just go for a half decent spec PC.

Looking online in the last couple of weeks, I've not seen anything that says "buy me quick".... ie no decent deals.


Nothing really coming up in deals either - and the ebuyer desktop offer I got by email today was complete pants! (Are prices going up?)

Anyway....... I'd be happy with bare bones or fully assembled. I dont need a monitor.

Any finds and recommendations appreciated. (eg I'm told i7 isnt worth paying the premium for - but I'm now so out of touch with PC architecture now, I feel like a n00b!)
banned#18
dcx_badass
Novatech have some good barebones, this for example:http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/barebones/Novatech/BB-6404GB.htmlAnd whether I7 is worth it or not depends on how you use it.

Ta..... I did have a look at Novatech, but didnt see anything that hit the spot! the i7 for instance seemed to be at a massive premium.

So.... the PC will be used by me for photo and video editing (not that sort of video Numpty!) and the kids for playing games. So, I'll obviously need a dedicated graphics card - preferably one that isn't going to cost the earth. (I'd prefer nVidia as well - ATI always seems troublesome!) - Which also (I think) suggests i'm leaning more towards intel than AMD....
banned#19
OK... Novatech....... What about this one?

Case looks nice (ie the fixing brackets anyway!) and has 4GB RAM (not sure why the other one is £30 dearer - it looks exactly the same but with a slightly bigger case!)

Its 2.5GHz Quad Is this pants compared to the i5 and i7? Will it run W7 64bit ok? (The main reason I need a new PC is that Premier CS5 only runs on Windows 64 bit - and all of my PCs are just running 32bit.)
banned#20
Should get an iMac Guv!!
banned#21
master_chief
Should get an iMac Guv!!

Go stand in the corner. X)
banned#22
guv
master_chief
Should get an iMac Guv!!
Go stand in the corner. X)

Macs play perfectly with booting into external drives.
banned#23
master_chief
guv
master_chief
Should get an iMac Guv!!
Go stand in the corner. X)


Macs play perfectly with booting into external drives.


Welcome to 1995
banned#24
guv
master_chief
guv
master_chief
Should get an iMac Guv!!
Go stand in the corner. X)
Macs play perfectly with booting into external drives.
Welcome to 1995

Windows certainly is nowhere near as good at it, trust me I wish they were.
banned#25
dcx_badass
master_chief
guv
master_chief
guv
master_chief
Should get an iMac Guv!!
Go stand in the corner. X)
Macs play perfectly with booting into external drives.
Welcome to 1995
Windows certainly is nowhere near as good at it, trust me I wish they were.
I hate to break it to you but neither Windows nor Mac OS control booting from external hard drives, that is done way before the operating system stage so both are equally as bad as neither do it.

Yes you just hold a key down on a Mac and select the drive. The drive can then be used in any other Mac too, handy if Guv wanted to get a load of Macs round the house :D
banned#26
master_chief

Yes you just hold a key down on a Mac and select the drive. The drive can then be used in any other Mac too, handy if Guv wanted to get a load of Macs round the house :D


Enough about Macs already. Me no likely Apple.

So...... I've been keeping an eye on Desktop PC deals...... and still not found one worthy of a purchase!

Shirley someone has seen a decent one? (Just desktop PC - no Monitor - and definitely not a bloody Mac!)

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