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Can anybody advise re: wages

louiseb84 Avatar
6y, 10m agoPosted 6 years, 10 months ago
OH checked his bank this morning & was shocked to see he was minus about £400 from his wages. Called work (as he's away on training today) who opened his wage slip for him & told him that nearly £500 had been taken out by OSP.
Looked at his last 2 wage slips & have seen he'd been paid over 2 months OSP totalling nearly £500.
Googled OSP, Occupation Sick Pay. He hasn't been off sick. So clearly the previous 2 months were paid in error. However this was not noticed by either of us as his wages weren't abnormally high as he'd been doing overtime.
He hasn't received any sort of letter or been spoken to by anybody regarding the error or that it'd be taken in full out of this month's wage.
Anyway what i wanted to know was can they do this without telling him, and can they take it all back at once considering it was totally their error. He's been filling in his time sheets properly.
He works for the NHS btw.
Any help would be greatly appreciated as we are stuffed atm! He has his MOT to pay for in a week and don't even have the money for that now & he needs the car to get to work.
Should've been a good wage considering he worked every single day over xmas
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6y, 10m agoPosted 6 years, 10 months ago
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#1
you can be asked to pay it all back ASAP, but to take it out of this months pay without asking it just not on ...

get onto HR NHS and ask them to sort it.. it was their fault he was overpaid in the 1st place.

Does the £400 he HAS got, include O/T pay?
#2
I don't know about the law but in essence you have spent money that wasn't yours.

Can't you lend money from anybody short term perhaps.
#3
Come off it, everyone checks their pay slip, *especially* when they're expecting overtime payments =P
banned#4
If they overpaid him then legitimately they can ask for their money back whenever they like. As deb8z says, you effectively spent what wasnt yours.

He should speak to them to arrange paying it back over a longer period - 6 months or so. They should realise it was their error in the first place.
#5
Years ago I used to work for O2 and when i left in Mid-October, they paid me full pay for October and also full pay in November/December. I was young and decided to spend the money. This caused problems when trying to claim housing benefit and I also had o2 chasing me for it but i went to CAB and they claimed that O2 paid me that money voluntarily and i've not heard anything off O2 since.

CAB said as i didnt claim that i worked the hours they have paid me for I wasnt doing anything wrong. The money was paid to me by them, they authorised the payments to go to me so not my fault.
#6
Thank you both for your replies...
Disco
you can be asked to pay it all back ASAP, but to take it out of this months pay without asking it just not on ...

get onto HR NHS and ask them to sort it.. it was their fault he was overpaid in the 1st place.

Does the £400 he HAS got, include O/T pay?

He hasn't been paid £400 we calculated it at roughly £400 short :thumbsup: but turns out its £500 short. The total would work out that he would have been paid his O/T, can't check as haven't got his wage slip here. He's in bedford training so hasn't seen it either, only going by what the lady at work has told him.
I know and understand it has to be paid back, but £500 with no word of warning no letter absolutely nothing regarding it is out of order.
What I don't understand is how they have paid him sick pay when he's been working and has the o/t pay & enhancements for wkends &late shifts alongside the OSP.

deb8z
I don't know about the law but in essence you have spent money that wasn't yours.

Can't you lend money from anybody short term perhaps.


I know we've spent the money but there wasn't a substantial difference in his previous months pay (sept,oct) to notice if you know what I mean.
Nobody that can lend us that sort of money either.

Also he has, I presume, been taxed on the OSP? But if £500 has been taken back that amounts to the amount he was paid before tax not the amount received therefore he's paid extra tax and probably wont get that back? Ignore that if you don't get taxed on OSP (I don't know how that works)
#7
garbage456
you been over paid £250 each month for 2 months, and what did you about it? there wasn't a difference of £250, which is my point, hence we hadn't noticed

was you expecting a pay rise? no

was you sick?no so don't unerstand why he was paid sick pay to begin with

if the answer is no, what have done with the money?

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Looked at his last 2 wage slips & have seen he'd been paid over 2 months OSP totalling nearly £500.
Googled OSP, Occupation Sick Pay. He hasn't been off sick. So clearly the previous 2 months were paid in error. However this was not noticed by either of us as his wages weren't abnormally high as he'd been doing overtime.

doesnt matter if high or not we all know roughly what we would be expecting to be paid each month with or without overtime.& the amount he'd received in those months was approx in line with what he receives most months, give or take £50 or so

you have accepted an error in payment and now you got to give it back, simple

& I know it needs to be paid back, that is not what my point is, of course it will be paid back. My point is why have they taken it back with no word of warning, no letter or anything whatsoever.
1 Like #8
Get a Union Rep in... they will get them to take it put it back, and then for you to pay the over payment back at a rate of £1 a week (or something stupidly low).

The arguement will be that you will be losing twice the amount of money because a) you're not getting the money you had before [allbeit you were not entitled to have it anyway] b) the drop in wages because of the repayments.

A friend did this when Orange told him that he owed them £1500, rep got it down to £1 a week, and Orange just wrote it off and he didn't pay a penny.

Hope this helps :thumbsup:
#9
gal2792t
Get a Union Rep in... they will get them to take it put it back, and then for you to pay the over payment back at a rate of £1 a week (or something stupidly low).

The arguement will be that you will be losing twice the amount of money because a) you're not getting the money you had before [allbeit you were not entitled to have it anyway] b) the drop in wages because of the repayments.

A friend did this when Orange told him that he owed them £1500, rep got it down to £1 a week, and Orange just wrote it off and he didn't pay a penny.

Hope this helps :thumbsup:


Thank you, that is helpful. With 2 young children £500 is a ridiculous amount to lose in one go.
I wouldn't suggest £1 a week as it'd take forever to repay but something like £50 a month even £100 at a push is something we can afford.
How does he go about getting a union rep?
#10
louiseb84
Thank you, that is helpful. With 2 young children £500 is a ridiculous amount to lose in one go.
I wouldn't suggest £1 a week as it'd take forever to repay but something like £50 a month even £100 at a push is something we can afford.
How does he go about getting a union rep?


Question 1. Is he part of a union?
#11
chester123
Question 1. Is he part of a union?


He says not.... so does that mean he can't get a union rep?
banned#12
If they've taken the money back already he's not going to get it back because their is no system in place to pay money to people that is not theirs. He can apply for an emergency advance and then that will be paid off to an agreed monthly amount.
banned#13
louiseb84
He says not.... so does that mean he can't get a union rep?


If he's mates with any union reps they may help him, the guys at my work offer advice even though I'm not a member.
1 Like #14
deb8z
I don't know about the law but in essence you have spent money that wasn't yours.

Can't you lend money from anybody short term perhaps.


louiseb84
Thank you, that is helpful. With 2 young children £500 is a ridiculous amount to lose in one go.
I wouldn't suggest £1 a week as it'd take forever to repay but something like £50 a month even £100 at a push is something we can afford.
How does he go about getting a union rep?


From your description you have a good case. The fact that you could not easily tell you were overpaid is helpful.

The overpayment was not your fault.
Wages are protected by law and cannot be held back.
Your employer should contact you with a request for the money to be repaidand be willing to negotiate.
Get your union rep involved quickly.
I would suggest that your employer make out a cheque to you and tell you whereto pick it up. They will have this ability regardless of what they say.

Disgusting behavior and not the first time I have dealt with it.

As for the useless advice about it being your fault. It's a shame the posters don't demand a high competence of your employer who was the one that messed up. Some of us don't check our pay slips every time, we live in the real world, where life can be hectic.
#15
louiseb84
He says not.... so does that mean he can't get a union rep?

Most unions have a strict policy of spending time and energy of reps on paid up members. I always am willing once to give some advice to anybody, but cannot go much further for none union members. He should join anyway.

lumoruk
If they've taken the money back already he's not going to get it back because their is no system in place to pay money to people that is not theirs. He can apply for an emergency advance and then that will be paid off to an agreed monthly amount.


Wages are yours and cannot be balanced against wrong payments your employer made. Every company has a system for manual payments of wages. I have been down to the finance department with members of my union and picked up cheques for wages where this kind of problem occurred.
banned#16
its probably best to contact his employers to discuss this
#17
garbage456
the same reason you got no warning when they overpaid you


garbage456
where you over spend £250 a month !!!



Speaks someone who sees the world through nobody elses eyes but their own. :whistling:
1 Like #18
Like i said in my post earlier...employer has voluntarily paid your OH money. He didnt say he had worked more hours than he did and fraudulently claimed the money. It was an overpayment from the employer, they authrorised that amount to go out.
#19
Thanks Plum, your input is much appreciated & I'll speak to the OH properly when he gets home as it's snatched moments atm. He can't speak to anybody until tomorrow as he won't be home until 5.30.
Just wanted some advice as to what to do next, didn't expect some of the harsh responses as like I'd said his wages weren't up by £250 compared to other months so obviously that needs looking into aswell.
Garbage:I'm pretty sure if the shoe was on the other foot you too wouldn't be happy about the situation anymore than we are, but since you have nothing constructive to add I would appreciate you keeping your comments to yourself :thumbsup:
David: I have taken your posts on board & will show OH later on. Thanks :)
banned#20
davidn84
Like i said in my post earlier...employer has voluntarily paid your OH money. He didnt say he had worked more hours than he did and fraudulently claimed the money. It was an overpayment from the employer, they authrorised that amount to go out.


doesnt mean he is entitled to keep it though

they werent "his" wages
#21
Union is best way to go, or attempt to reason with the HR department.

I check my wage slip every month before i file it at home, i make sure the tax code is correct and that i am not being over taxed or under taxed every 6 monthly.

It's important to do this, because often you'll be entitled to money. Equally it stops you from being overpaid, which the employer is well within their right to claim back.
banned#22
spritey
Union is best way to go, or [SIZE="4"]attempt to reason with the HR department[/SIZE].

I check my wage slip every month before i file it at home, i make sure the tax code is correct and that i am not being over taxed or under taxed every 6 monthly.

It's important to do this, because often you'll be entitled to money. Equally it stops you from being overpaid, which the employer is well within their right to claim back.


Do this

Explain that it was their mistake, and that you inadvertently didnt notice it. Ask if you can pay th emoney back over the next 6-12 months as opposed to one lump sum

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