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nono2522 Avatar
6y, 9m agoPosted 6 years, 9 months ago
I think i might be getting sacked from work, I am on a final written warning, and because I forgot to ask a customer for an email address(yes they truely are that pathetic) it is going to discaplinary which no doubt will end up with termination.

If i am given the option to hand in my notice rather than get sacked will I be able to sign on the dole still? Im really stressed out about this as cant afford to live off just my husbands wage so please dont make jokes about it.

Ive started applying for new jobs already but i am proberly going to need financial help until i find something, and just want to know where I stand

Thanks, rep will be left for anyone who can help me.
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6y, 9m agoPosted 6 years, 9 months ago
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1 Like #1
If you resign no benefit option. You have gave up employment voluntarily
1 Like #2
Citizen Advice for this as I think from the limited info if they do sack you they could be in line for an unfair dismissal claim but your contract of employment should outline the conditions. Also have they given you copies of all notes from previous complaints/hearings. But if they do sack you that's the best way rather than resigning as you can claim state help. Good luck
1 Like #3
Def no benefits will be paid if you hand your notice in.
If what you are saying is true (not doubting you, but being on a final warning is pretty serious, and don't see just forgetting an Emil address is a sackable offence !!), then surely you should be taking them to court for unfair dismissal.
First things first though, you need to analyse why you are on a final warning, and the reasoning behind the other warnings.
1 Like #4
no benefits will be paid FOR A TIME if you resign-this used to be six weeks but it may be longer now-you are certainly not barred forever.
1 Like #5
Your benefits if you resign
Your Jobcentre Plus can delay your Jobseeker's Allowance for up to 26 weeks if you have voluntarily quit without good reason. If you are claiming constructive dismissal, make sure they know. If you can't claim Jobseeker's Allowance, you may still be able to claim a hardship payment, which is a reduced amount of Jobseeker's Allowance.
#6
surely getting sacked will make it more difficult to get another job, not sure a new employer will want someone who has been sacked, whereas resigning can be explained better.
1 Like #7
Only you can decide what's more important. The hit in benefits or the record of sacking.
What is your previous work record like before you current job?
What are the problems caused you to go down this path?
1 Like #8
For what it's worth if you suspect you're getting a final warning, you need to make sure you have a employee rep with you (union rep if possible) you need to ensure that you have someone else present to listen to what is being said. This will help if you go for unfair dismissal.
Hope your day turns out better then you think.
#9
ohdaesu
surely getting sacked will make it more difficult to get another job, not sure a new employer will want someone who has been sacked, whereas resigning can be explained better.


This is exactly what im thinking, but apparently employers cannot go into detail on why you left a job?

I am on a final written warning because of a customer complaint, instead of transfering a customer i tried to deal and ended up arguing (i was in the wrong and i know it)
I then had a warning becasuse i didnt read this thing we were supposed to, forgetting to tell a customer that broadband can take 10 days to stabelise, and now forgetting to ask for email address.

I already have a final written warning.

And, being 24 this is only my 2nd job, employement history, left school at 16, went straight into work, left aged 18, didnt return after maternity, started at this place aged 20.

Thanks all for your help, ive left you all some rep
#10
You need to think about the reasons for your previous warnings. Were they reasonable? I'm asking because taking you to a disciplinary for forgetting to ask for an e-mail address seems pretty unreasonable to me. If the other warning were for similar reasons, you should look into constructive dismissal.
#11
nono2522;7984807
This is exactly what im thinking, but apparently employers cannot go into detail on why you left a job?

I am on a final written warning because of a customer complaint, instead of transfering a customer i tried to deal and ended up arguing (i was in the wrong and i know it)
I then had a warning because i didn't read this thing we were supposed to, forgetting to tell a customer that broadband can take 10 days to stabelise, and now forgetting to ask for email address.
I already have a final written warning.
And, being 24 this is only my 2nd job, employement history, left school at 16, went straight into work, left aged 18, didn't return after maternity, started at this place aged 20.
Thanks all for your help, ive left you all some rep

You have not got a large amount of experience, or broad view of how workplaces operate in general.
It may be you are not suited to this type of work or that the organisation is rubbish and does not offer support and training and you are bearing the brunt of that.
Did you get any training offered to you after your first mistake? If you did and you still are having problems with the systems then maybe time to move on.
If you did not then clearly you are not getting the support and training you need to do the job. May be something you or your rep should bring up at the hearing.

Good luck
#12
Have the company failed to give you adequate training or are they all your mistakes?

How long ago were you given a final written warning?

What is your disciplinary record like prior to the final written?

Do the company have a recognised trade union agreement?
#13
jtx
Have the company failed to give you adequate training or are they all your mistakes?

How long ago were you given a final written warning?

What is your disciplinary record like prior to the final written?

Do the company have a recognised trade union agreement?


They are my mistakes, I argued back to a customer, and i didnt read something out

my final written warning was last week!!!

prior to that i had nothing on file at all.

Yes i am in the union, but i did not have them in with me when i got my final written warning (stupid i know!)
#14
good luck :)
#15
nono2522
They are my mistakes, I argued back to a customer, and i didnt read something out

my final written warning was last week!!!

prior to that i had nothing on file at all.

Yes i am in the union, but i did not have them in with me when i got my final written warning (stupid i know!)


This is important... Did they ask you if you required any representation during your last hearing?

Either way, make sure you have a rep present this time. Why a final straight away on your first disciplinary?

Good luck btw:thumbsup:
#16
You should still be able to appeal against the final as well...
banned#17
jtx
You should still be able to appeal against the final as well...


Am I missing something, how can she appeal the final warning she got? She was asked to read something to be able to do her job properly and failed to do it so gave a customer the wrong information.


OP sounds like a very harsh way to go for just missing out an email address so speak to your union rep but I doubt you could do anything about the previous warnings as you were at fault but union rep might be able to help you with those as well if you weren't offered the opportunity to have a rep present.

GL with it but sounds like a nightmare place to work
#18
Yes they asked me I said no as I know in the past for other people all they do is sit there and dont help, so i thought it was pointless.

It went straight to final as it was classed as gross misconduct.

Dont think i can appeal now as its over 7 days.

I think i was lucky to keep the job anyway
#19
Paddy Charlie
Am I missing something, how can she appeal the final warning she got? She was asked to read something to be able to do her job properly and failed to do it so gave a customer the wrong information.


An employee has the right to appeal against to outcome of a disciplinary.
As per ACAS code of practice HERE


nono2522
Yes they asked me I said no as I know in the past for other people all they do is sit there and dont help, so i thought it was pointless.

It went straight to final as it was classed as gross misconduct.

Dont think i can appeal now as its over 7 days.

I think i was lucky to keep the job anyway


I think you might be better off taking a letter of resignation in and asking if it's their intention to terminate your employment. If they say yes then resign.

You may find you are not entitled to a lot if your husband is working anyway.

Check http://www.entitledto.co.uk/
banned#20
Why didn't you just make one up or were they reviewing your call recordings?
banned#21
jtx
An employee has the right to appeal against to outcome of a disciplinary.
As per ACAS code of practice HERE


But what's the point in appealing when the OP has said she was at fault for not reading the material?
#22
Paddy Charlie
But what's the point in appealing when the OP has said she was at fault for not reading the material?


Depends really. Maybe she hasn't had sufficient training. Maybe there is mitigating circumstances at home so she is unable to concentrate correctly at work. Whatever excuses she can think of to try and save her job;-)
#23
Paddy Charlie;7985568
But what's the point in appealing when the OP has said she was at fault for not reading the material?

I have spoken to many people who were so absorbed in a bad workplace they believed failings were their own.

However as an outsider I could see that the level of training/stress/support or procedures in the workplace was such that mistakes/problems were inevitable.

I am not saying this is true here, but it is a possibility in this or any case.
#24
I would wait until you are sacked - it may not happen if you can talk them around, stressing your 4 years of previous good record and saying that you have been very nervous since the written warning, which is possibly why you made the recent mistake.
The reference isn't going to be much different whether you resign or are sacked, so the only result of resignation is to lose benefits.
#25
Apply for a NEW job and start fresh, no point living on edge!!!...............will i , should i ........ You are still young..... live and learn from pass mistakes..........:thumbsup:
#26
ohdaesu
surely getting sacked will make it more difficult to get another job, not sure a new employer will want someone who has been sacked, whereas resigning can be explained better.


By law, previous employer arn't allowed to give a bad reference or even say negative things about you, so you can basicly fabricate a good story of why you was dissmissed or left. Which i'm sure everybody would anyway
#27
BadBeatDuke
By law, previous employer arn't allowed to give a bad reference or even say negative things about you, so you can basicly fabricate a good story of why you was dissmissed or left. Which i'm sure everybody would anyway


Yes they can as long as its the truth, however its common practice not to. You can influence a CV greatly by what you leave out just as much as you put in.
#28
Goonieman
Yes they can as long as its the truth, however its common practice not to. You can influence a CV greatly by what you leave out just as much as you put in.


My mistake, i was told by my old boss that he couldn't tell the new employer of an ex employee of his that he was sacked for stealing(not me btw). and that he could get sued if he did:?
#29
BadBeatDuke
By law, previous employer arn't allowed to give a bad reference or even say negative things about you, so you can basicly fabricate a good story of why you was dissmissed or left. Which i'm sure everybody would anyway


It's what they don't say in the reference that matters, if you have been sacked they will probably give you a very plain ref, which most employers will know as being a bad one.
#30
Do you get a decsion on the day of your hearing? If not speak to the Union rep after your meeting and ask how they felt it went. If it doesn't look good resign. Can't believe that constitutes gross misconduct. My wifes brother got into bother after mouthing off at a customer (he was a spaky) he walked away from his job but still got dole, it's looked at as a case by case scenario apparently, he aruged why would he leave a 20k job a year to go into virtual poverty, and that he resigned to hopefully make it easier to find work in the future.

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