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Can Corbyn really blame May and the conservatives for the NHS crisis?

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Can Corbyn really put the total blame for the Nhs "humanitarian crisis" on May and the conservatives? NHS crisis: Corbyn calls on May to face urgent Commons questions Jeremy Corbyn has called on… Read More
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Can Corbyn really put the total blame for the Nhs "humanitarian crisis" on May and the conservatives?

NHS crisis: Corbyn calls on May to face urgent Commons questions

Jeremy Corbyn has called on Theresa May to attend the House of Commons on Monday to face urgent questions over the NHS, after claims the health service is facing a “humanitarian crisis”.

The Labour leader called on the prime minister to explain how the government will solve the problems, after the British Red Cross said it had been called in to help the NHS in England deal with heightened demand this winter.

In a series of tweets, Corbyn said: “The crisis in our NHS is unprecedented. People are lying on trolleys in corridors waiting to be seen.
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Error440
The tories are trying to destroy the NHS so they can sell it of course he can blame them, I'd love to know the legality of the sell off as far as i am aware the NHS doesn't belong to the the Tories its ot theirs to sell.

The NHS is largely privately owned already. The sooner that it is all back under government control and not providing profit for independent companies the better it will be.
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The tories are trying to destroy the NHS so they can sell it of course he can blame them, I'd love to know the legality of the sell off as far as i am aware the NHS doesn't belong to the the Tories its ot theirs to sell.
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Quite surprising to find comments here in favour of privatising the NHS completely, having services sold out to the lowest possible bidder where profits take priority over performance. You think its bad now.........

Both parties are to blame when it comes to the NHS's demise but only one of them is hell bent on destroying it completely. Its clear as day the Tories are slowly strangling the NHS in order to usher in Privatisation as a saviour and once that happens how long before they'll start charging for certain services or queue jumping? The result, a two tier NHS where poorer people receive a lower standard of care. Lovely. The fact May didn't replace Jeremy Hunt as health secretary is also quite telling, the Tories want to rock the NHS boat as much as possible with a inept and totally detested health secretary.

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3 Likes #2
he'll try. he can't even organise a party never mind a health service.
1 Like #3
Years of underinvestment but the Tories haven't done anything to help the NHS and they've been in the driving seat for 6 years.

So he's got a point, mostly because he's done very little of note despite being a MP for decades.
7 Likes #5
The tories are trying to destroy the NHS so they can sell it of course he can blame them, I'd love to know the legality of the sell off as far as i am aware the NHS doesn't belong to the the Tories its ot theirs to sell.
#6
it would be even worse if corbyn ever won an election, luckily that will only happen in the dreams of the plp and the nightmares of everyone else.
4 Likes #7
They'll still sell it though. We're well along the way to getting rid of it, this is the end, not the beginning. The last labour government were in on the plan too.

Joe Public doesn't want it, but politicians on behalf of their wealthy benefactors do.
4 Likes #8
What ****. Nobody is trying to sell off the NHS. It's just an unwieldy giant money eating machine that was just as underfunded during 13 years of labour. It's as much an issue of huge amounts of waste going on for decades than anything else. Ridiculous contracts meaning they massively overpay for medicines, NHS trusts wasting money on projects that don't work. Paying huge fees for contractors and outside consultants. An imbalance between back office and none front line staff vs nurses and doctors. Throwing money at it would just mean more waste. There needs to be some restructuring first.
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Error440
The tories are trying to destroy the NHS so they can sell it of course he can blame them, I'd love to know the legality of the sell off as far as i am aware the NHS doesn't belong to the the Tories its ot theirs to sell.

The NHS is largely privately owned already. The sooner that it is all back under government control and not providing profit for independent companies the better it will be.
2 Likes #10
Common purpose communist quangos rule the NHS. Blair, Brown, Cameron May all guilty. Top heavy beaurocrats wasting money under Lab and Con governments. Blair intro of PFI sounded the death nell. Mass immigration of people who put little into the system but take billions out-government statistics say so. Sold out by successive governments. LibLabCon-very little to choose between them JC would borrow billions to throw at a problem rather than sort it out. He is as much the problem as the rest of them. Career politicians who are incompetent. 2 term max needed for any politician to weed out the corrupt and compromised. Ban the quangos, cut out the bureaucrats and the fat tax payer funded NHS pensions. Panels to be run by medical staff only.
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Susannah
Error440
The tories are trying to destroy the NHS so they can sell it of course he can blame them, I'd love to know the legality of the sell off as far as i am aware the NHS doesn't belong to the the Tories its ot theirs to sell.

The NHS is largely privately owned already. The sooner that it is all back under government control and not providing profit for independent companies the better it will be.

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The mighty NHS costs more per head in the UK than any other healthcare system in the world.
It is the most inefficient wasteful service in the UK.
Who are to blame? Apart from poor management and structure, its the users... We spend more on medication that any other country in the world, we hand stuff out like sweets, and visit the doctors because we have a cold.

I remember when our local hospital used to do a collection for new doors, or a cafe. Now we have half a million pound receptions, and fancy revolving doors, but no beds or thoughtful care.

Hospitals are bidding for referrals from general practices based on what the hospital looks likes, and how fancy it is compared to the nearest one next to it.

I feel sorry for the NHS, and feel sorry for the people working in it.
Labour started the privatisation of services within the NHS back in the 90's (Catering, Site Facilities, New PFI builds (30 years of debt) and cleaning contracts) and its sadly time this continued, we can't keep running it the way it is...

Edited By: Chiptivo on Jan 08, 2017 19:21
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Mostly this problem is all down to YOU

People do not want to pay more, so there cant be more services or less queues.

You wont vote to take it out of political arena by ring fencing it and putting it on an escalator eg: 2% budget increase + RPI.

It will die, not b/c the politicians trying to juggle this and that, but b/c the users (current and potential) simply are not willing to fund it sufficiently.

You are not planning on using A and E tomorrow so why would you bother to support diverting funds or increasing tax to cover it!?

Want better medications and treatments to prolong life with cancer? Of course you do, but only when YOU NEED IT when suddenly your up in arms no one pays, and you need help!
1 Like #14
NHS is a public service with much of it contracted out as private firms are far more efficient at managing costs . The operational side (Doctors , Nurses etc ) need to stay in the public sector but the admin and procurement side should be left to private business as they provide better VFM . I don't think its a political thing , it can be argued that the Tories ,historically , have funded the NHS far better than Labour simply because the overall economy does better under the Tories .

An example of the cry to "Nationalise " can be seen by the Unions demands to do just this with the Railways . They are causing mayhem to thousands of folk just trying to get to work by calling strikes over the implementation of DOO operations . A valid safety case ? most certainly not , DOO is widely accepted and used throughout our Rail network and has been for years . Why Nationalise the Railways , or anything else ? Simply so the Unions have more power to bring disruption to millions more people instead of a few hundred thousand at a time .
1 Like #15
Peeps need to stop arguing over who did what and just look closely at the political ideologies of all the parties to get a more accurate answer as to who is interested in doing what.

Anything other than the above is distraction.


Same as I said in another thread; 'politicians aren't so much interested in 'things that work' as they are in their own pet projects/ideologies'.
1 Like #16
Susannah
Error440
The tories are trying to destroy the NHS so they can sell it of course he can blame them, I'd love to know the legality of the sell off as far as i am aware the NHS doesn't belong to the the Tories its ot theirs to sell.
The NHS is largely privately owned already. The sooner that it is all back under government control and not providing profit for independent companies the better it will be.
It is under government control. Just not the government you want.
3 Likes #17
Error440
The tories are trying to destroy the NHS so they can sell it of course he can blame them, I'd love to know the legality of the sell off as far as i am aware the NHS doesn't belong to the the Tories its ot theirs to sell.


Which party started privatization of the NHS? It wasn't the Tories.
#18
Privatise it and get it overand done with....people might take better care of themselves then.
#19
Rubisco
Susannah
Error440
The tories are trying to destroy the NHS so they can sell it of course he can blame them, I'd love to know the legality of the sell off as far as i am aware the NHS doesn't belong to the the Tories its ot theirs to sell.
The NHS is largely privately owned already. The sooner that it is all back under government control and not providing profit for independent companies the better it will be.
It is under government control. Just not the government you want.


Really? You don't know much about the NHS then if you think it's all government controlled.
#20
Error440
The tories are trying to destroy the NHS so they can sell it of course he can blame them, I'd love to know the legality of the sell off as far as i am aware the NHS doesn't belong to the the Tories its ot theirs to sell.

See this comment quite a lot. Out of interest, who do you think that would benefit?
2 Likes #21
delboyd
Error440
The tories are trying to destroy the NHS so they can sell it of course he can blame them, I'd love to know the legality of the sell off as far as i am aware the NHS doesn't belong to the the Tories its ot theirs to sell.
See this comment quite a lot. Out of interest, who do you think that would benefit?

What selling it off? It benefits the American companies they've been in talks with who inturn will give them nice cushy jobs with share options when they are out of the cabinet
1 Like #22
mtuk1
Error440
The tories are trying to destroy the NHS so they can sell it of course he can blame them, I'd love to know the legality of the sell off as far as i am aware the NHS doesn't belong to the the Tories its ot theirs to sell.

Which party started privatization of the NHS? It wasn't the Tories.

No it was the fake tories aka nu labour, another lot I wouldn't vote for.
1 Like #23
Error440
delboyd
Error440
The tories are trying to destroy the NHS so they can sell it of course he can blame them, I'd love to know the legality of the sell off as far as i am aware the NHS doesn't belong to the the Tories its ot theirs to sell.
See this comment quite a lot. Out of interest, who do you think that would benefit?
What selling it off? It benefits the American companies they've been in talks with who inturn will give them nice cushy jobs with share options when they are out of the cabinet

As part of the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership? Which will now likely not go ahead due to both Brexit and Trump?

Are you just spouting off usual leftist stuff or do you have actual examples of companies involved? Just curious as I see the opinion a lot and never pay much attention.

As for the NHS, no one seems to have considered the fact that we as a country are pretty much destroying it ourselves with smoking, overeating and being a fat bunch in general.
1 Like #24
A few very powerful people pulling invisible strings to make sure any government in power will give away our amazing service to the private sector. Just like in big business a handfull of people own and control everything, the NHS will end up the same way because the mainstream media always slate it and even worse, the public believe this! This hidden agenda has been happening for more years than I can remember as all good public services in this country have been destroyed for the benefit of the super-rich.
Wake up, the puppets in parliament are greedy, blind and aspire to money. They will give our NHS away, as both political parties are singing the same tune but with different lyrics.
#25
Chiptivo
The mighty NHS costs more per head in the UK than any other healthcare system in the world.
It is the most inefficient wasteful service in the UK.
Who are to blame? Apart from poor management and structure, its the users... We spend more on medication that any other country in the world, we hand stuff out like sweets, and visit the doctors because we have a cold.
I remember when our local hospital used to do a collection for new doors, or a cafe. Now we have half a million pound receptions, and fancy revolving doors, but no beds or thoughtful care.
Hospitals are bidding for referrals from general practices based on what the hospital looks likes, and how fancy it is compared to the nearest one next to it.
I feel sorry for the NHS, and feel sorry for the people working in it.
Labour started the privatisation of services within the NHS back in the 90's (Catering, Site Facilities, New PFI builds (30 years of debt) and cleaning contracts) and its sadly time this continued, we can't keep running it the way it is...

NO it doesn't
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita
1 Like #26
andrewpaul27
A few very powerful people pulling invisible strings to make sure any government in power will give away our amazing service to the private sector. Just like in big business a handfull of people own and control everything, the NHS will end up the same way because the mainstream media always slate it and even worse, the public believe this! This hidden agenda has been happening for more years than I can remember as all good public services in this country have been destroyed for the benefit of the super-rich.
Wake up, the puppets in parliament are greedy, blind and aspire to money. They will give our NHS away, as both political parties are singing the same tune but with different lyrics.

The NHS is largely privately owned anyway. As for giving it away, the Labour party under Corbyn are the only party that I trust to run the NHS in a way that benefits the people not business.
1 Like #27
rogparki
NHS is a public service with much of it contracted out as private firms are far more efficient at managing costs . The operational side (Doctors , Nurses etc ) need to stay in the public sector but the admin and procurement side should be left to private business as they provide better VFM . I don't think its a political thing , it can be argued that the Tories ,historically , have funded the NHS far better than Labour simply because the overall economy does better under the Tories .

An example of the cry to "Nationalise " can be seen by the Unions demands to do just this with the Railways . They are causing mayhem to thousands of folk just trying to get to work by calling strikes over the implementation of DOO operations . A valid safety case ? most certainly not , DOO is widely accepted and used throughout our Rail network and has been for years . Why Nationalise the Railways , or anything else ? Simply so the Unions have more power to bring disruption to millions more people instead of a few hundred thousand at a time .

I had to stop at 'the economy does better under the Tories'... They have borrowed far more than Labour ever did... economically incompetent in my opinion.

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/03/13/the-conservatives-have-been-the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years/

Edited By: Susannah on Jan 08, 2017 23:26
2 Likes #28
Why am I not surprised with what should be an obvious and simple yes to the OP's question (Corbyn is right to blame the Tories - look at the funding **** over the last year) has turned into a typical Corbyn bashing thread.

Shock, horror. Usual suspects trying to shift the focus elsewhere. How is it when ever the cost of the NHS comes up people ask where the money will come from but are absolutely fine with Trident renewal going ahead. Or happy enough to not challenge cuts to corporate taxes.

I hope no one has to ever go and visit a relative suffering in a hospital anytime soon. We've had several losses in our family in 2016 and the last few months spent in the hospital waiting for a (lack of) doctors and nurses pushed to the limit was almost too much to cope with.
#29
The thing is, the current bloated NHS would have failed in the 40s too. This attempt at monetising it is Ill conceived. The previous attempts at over providing were equally decadent. Same applies to the welfare state. I'm ashamed of what we're doing. I'm not being given an option to vote against it.
#30
Susannah
andrewpaul27
A few very powerful people pulling invisible strings to make sure any government in power will give away our amazing service to the private sector. Just like in big business a handfull of people own and control everything, the NHS will end up the same way because the mainstream media always slate it and even worse, the public believe this! This hidden agenda has been happening for more years than I can remember as all good public services in this country have been destroyed for the benefit of the super-rich.
Wake up, the puppets in parliament are greedy, blind and aspire to money. They will give our NHS away, as both political parties are singing the same tune but with different lyrics.
The NHS is largely privately owned anyway. As for giving it away, the Labour party under Corbyn are the only party that I trust to run the NHS in a way that benefits the people not business.
We live in a democracy. If you support the public sector, then you support the public sector under Tory governments as well as Labour ones.

Unless you don't want to live in a democracy. (_;)
#31
fr0d0
The thing is, the current bloated NHS would have failed in the 40s too. This attempt at monetising it is Ill conceived. The previous attempts at over providing were equally decadent. Same applies to the welfare state. I'm ashamed of what we're doing. I'm not being given an option to vote against it.
What we need is World War 3 to thin out the population, except the medically-trained who are kept away from the front line so tend to return home alive. That's why it worked so well in the 40s.
#32
Sussanah, the shift in policies towards a child friendly society initially by Tony Blair but subsequently adopted by other governments has caused a detrimental and dramatic decline in this countries economics and welfare. The reason? To create cheap, minimum wage, low education jobs in their hundreds of thousands to accommodate the birthrate boom, whilst appearing child friendly and more electable. In the Nineties the average family size was 2.0 (3.0 Ethnic Minorities) to 3.0 (4.0) Children per family now. Just think the additional costs just for all the services required, this is one of the main reasons for the stress on the NHS, Education, Local Councils and Welfare system. The problem is that even with record tax receipts, costs, and demands are ever increasing on the State, with over 69% (2007 figures, it's far higher now) paying insufficient taxes.

Getting back to the original thread topic, the problem with the NHS is not a governmental problem but rather an out-dated model, top heavy with bureaucracy, incompetence, inflexibility, rising costs, and zero leadership. Decisions before or just after the Millennium have impacted heavily on services, with the Private Funding Initiative restricting spending, and investment and affecting logical or budgetary decisions. i.e. new poorly designed and built Hospital buildings lack the capacity for additional beds, or contractual costs of equipment fixed. Of course the biggest costs constraint on the NHS is staff costs - roughly 80% of the budget. Now include a rapidly rising elderly and child (baby) population, exponential increase in technological and drug costs (some gone up by 1000%), PFI, litigation affects and costs, local government cut backs, and short-term decision making you can see why the service is close to collapse.

Are there solutions? Yes a mix of innovation, return to traditional practises, rationing or stopping non-essential services, and adoption of radical thinking. The question is would the government and population be willing to accept or implement those changes for the long-term survival of the NHS?


The mighty NHS costs more per head in the UK than any other healthcare system in the world.
It is the most inefficient wasteful service in the UK.
Who are to blame? Apart from poor management and structure, its the users... We spend more on medication that any other country in the world, we hand stuff out like sweets, and visit the doctors because we have a cold.
I remember when our local hospital used to do a collection for new doors, or a cafe. Now we have half a million pound receptions, and fancy revolving doors, but no beds or thoughtful care.
Hospitals are bidding for referrals from general practices based on what the hospital looks likes, and how fancy it is compared to the nearest one next to it.
I feel sorry for the NHS, and feel sorry for the people working in it.
Labour started the privatisation of services within the NHS back in the 90's (Catering, Site Facilities, New PFI builds (30 years of debt) and cleaning contracts) and its sadly time this continued, we can't keep running it the way it is...

NO it doesn't
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita
I had to stop at 'the economy does better under the Tories'... They have borrowed far more than Labour ever did... economically incompetent in my opinion.

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/03/13/the-conservatives-have-been-the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years/


Be careful figures can easily be manipulated, and should be fully explained. Otherwise if taken out of context the argument is meaningless, as with both articles and pieces of information.


Edited By: nemesiz on Jan 09, 2017 07:24: .
#33
Rubisco
Susannah
andrewpaul27
A few very powerful people pulling invisible strings to make sure any government in power will give away our amazing service to the private sector. Just like in big business a handfull of people own and control everything, the NHS will end up the same way because the mainstream media always slate it and even worse, the public believe this! This hidden agenda has been happening for more years than I can remember as all good public services in this country have been destroyed for the benefit of the super-rich.
Wake up, the puppets in parliament are greedy, blind and aspire to money. They will give our NHS away, as both political parties are singing the same tune but with different lyrics.
The NHS is largely privately owned anyway. As for giving it away, the Labour party under Corbyn are the only party that I trust to run the NHS in a way that benefits the people not business.
We live in a democracy. If you support the public sector, then you support the public sector under Tory governments as well as Labour ones.
Unless you don't want to live in a democracy. (_;)

I do support the public sector regardless of the politics of the government in power. The problem is not all governments do in the way that I think is fair, appropriate and in the best interests of the people of this country.
#34
Rubisco
fr0d0
The thing is, the current bloated NHS would have failed in the 40s too. This attempt at monetising it is Ill conceived. The previous attempts at over providing were equally decadent. Same applies to the welfare state. I'm ashamed of what we're doing. I'm not being given an option to vote against it.
What we need is World War 3 to thin out the population, except the medically-trained who are kept away from the front line so tend to return home alive. That's why it worked so well in the 40s.

dtovey89
Why am I not surprised with what should be an obvious and simple yes to the OP's question (Corbyn is right to blame the Tories - look at the funding **** over the last year) has turned into a typical Corbyn bashing thread.

Shock, horror. Usual suspects trying to shift the focus elsewhere. How is it when ever the cost of the NHS comes up people ask where the money will come from but are absolutely fine with Trident renewal going ahead. Or happy enough to not challenge cuts to corporate taxes.

I hope no one has to ever go and visit a relative suffering in a hospital anytime soon. We've had several losses in our family in 2016 and the last few months spent in the hospital waiting for a (lack of) doctors and nurses pushed to the limit was almost too much to cope with.

nemesiz
Sussanah, the shift in policies towards a child friendly society initially by Tony Blair but subsequently adopted by other governments has caused a detrimental and dramatic decline in this countries economics and welfare. The reason? To create cheap, minimum wage, low education jobs in their hundreds of thousands to accommodate the birthrate boom, whilst appearing child friendly and more electable. In the Nineties the average family size was 2.0 (3.0 Ethnic Minorities) to 3.0 (4.0) Children per family now. Just think the additional costs just for all the services required, this is one of the main reasons for the stress on the NHS, Education, Local Councils and Welfare system. The problem is that even with record tax receipts, costs, and demands are ever increasing on the State, with over 69% (2007 figures, it's far higher now) paying insufficient taxes.

Getting back to the original thread topic, the problem with the NHS is not a governmental problem but rather an out-dated model, top heavy with bureaucracy, incompetence, inflexibility, rising costs, and zero leadership. Decisions before or just after the Millennium have impacted heavily on services, with the Private Funding Initiative restricting spending, and investment and affecting logical or budgetary decisions. i.e. new poorly designed and built Hospital buildings lack the capacity for additional beds, or contractual costs of equipment fixed. Of course the biggest costs constraint on the NHS is staff costs - roughly 80% of the budget. Now include a rapidly rising elderly and child (baby) population, exponential increase in technological and drug costs (some gone up by 1000%), PFI, litigation affects and costs, local government cut backs, and short-term decision making you can see why the service is close to collapse.

Are there solutions? Yes a mix of innovation, return to traditional practises, rationing or stopping non-essential services, and adoption of radical thinking. The question is would the government and population be willing to accept or implement those changes for the long-term survival of the NHS?


The mighty NHS costs more per head in the UK than any other healthcare system in the world.
It is the most inefficient wasteful service in the UK.
Who are to blame? Apart from poor management and structure, its the users... We spend more on medication that any other country in the world, we hand stuff out like sweets, and visit the doctors because we have a cold.
I remember when our local hospital used to do a collection for new doors, or a cafe. Now we have half a million pound receptions, and fancy revolving doors, but no beds or thoughtful care.
Hospitals are bidding for referrals from general practices based on what the hospital looks likes, and how fancy it is compared to the nearest one next to it.
I feel sorry for the NHS, and feel sorry for the people working in it.
Labour started the privatisation of services within the NHS back in the 90's (Catering, Site Facilities, New PFI builds (30 years of debt) and cleaning contracts) and its sadly time this continued, we can't keep running it the way it is...

NO it doesn't
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita
I had to stop at 'the economy does better under the Tories'... They have borrowed far more than Labour ever did... economically incompetent in my opinion.

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/03/13/the-conservatives-have-been-the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years/

Be careful figures can easily be manipulated, and should be fully explained. Otherwise if taken out of context the argument is meaningless, as with both articles and pieces of information.


I have no additional need to 'be careful'. This is a well researched article where the figures are clearly explained.
2 Likes #35
groenleader
Mostly this problem is all down to YOU

People do not want to pay more, so there cant be more services or less queues.

You wont vote to take it out of political arena by ring fencing it and putting it on an escalator eg: 2% budget increase + RPI.

It will die, not b/c the politicians trying to juggle this and that, but b/c the users (current and potential) simply are not willing to fund it sufficiently.

You are not planning on using A and E tomorrow so why would you bother to support diverting funds or increasing tax to cover it!?

Want better medications and treatments to prolong life with cancer? Of course you do, but only when YOU NEED IT when suddenly your up in arms no one pays, and you need help!

I would be happy to pay more for the NHS if that was where it was definitely going.
#36
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/3/30/1269963294471/Conservative-poster-featu-001.jpg?w=700&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=6e686bffe2d1d00f1bd0467375b5c227

NHS cuts 'planned across England'

NHS spending has been cut, Tories forced to admit

David Cameron's cuts are leading NHS towards catastrophe, says Britain's top doctor


I could keep going. There's not exactly a shortage of news stories about it.
its worrying to see a news report so recent though about more funding cuts.
Seems Terresa May hasn't learned a thing about Cameron's mistakes.
#37
I have no additional need to 'be careful'. This is a well researched article where the figures are clearly explained.

No it isn't. Read the replies to Richard Murphy's article, as many of the detailed comments pick-up on lack of explanation, and selective analysis of figures for his own agenda. The problem with Economics today is that the theory, and practise doesn't hold true to real life conditions, due to high public spending, low inflation, interest rates and massive debts, national deficits and borrowing. We're getting into new unwritten territory as many traditional thoughts and practises of well renowned economists, and politicians don't hold true or follow the premise or models, which is making it near impossible to predict accurately. This is part of the reason why we're seeing the occasional catastrophic or monumental mistake that is impacting heavily on our daily lives.


Edited By: nemesiz on Jan 09, 2017 07:50
#38
the reason the NHS will be sold by a government in the future is because the left act like spoilt children over it. it has become far too costly and needs to provide essential services.
1 Like #39
Corbyn is a nut job, Labour are currently unelecable.
#40
for those who think NHS cuts aren't necessary would you mind stating for the record and for context how much it costs per week?

Edited By: davewave on Jan 09, 2017 08:05: spell

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