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I blame myself, getting a worse and worse sleep pattern(this is what I hate about being on benefits!) I feel like its nighttime when I wake up so I find it hard to stay awake, so sleep in as much as 1… Read More
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6y, 6m agoPosted 6 years, 6 months ago
I blame myself, getting a worse and worse sleep pattern(this is what I hate about being on benefits!) I feel like its nighttime when I wake up so I find it hard to stay awake, so sleep in as much as 16 hours a day, then when I am awake I dont feel like going to bed even if I am really tired as I have overslept.

Oh dear, I dont know what to do.

On a serious note, any ideas on a good way to reset my sleep pattern long term(no jokers saying get a job though!) as meant to be going to parents today(but will leave till tommorow due to the pipes) so dont want to waste my Christmas with bad sleep pattern and it get worse and worse.

So I am going to try and stay awake all day today and go to bed early but I need some advice to keep myself awake and refreshed that long as normally if I stay awake all night I am a zombie mmy after lunch and dont want to walk anywhere and become very dangerous at crossing the roads

Yadda yadda yadda, I am "tired" so rambling as usual.

so apart from the obvious caffeine any good ideas about staying alert bearing in mind I cant have shower because I dont have any water, and cant have coffee as I have none anyway and no water to boil a kettle!(and neighbour wont be up till around 9am)
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6y, 6m agoPosted 6 years, 6 months ago
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#1
Damn, you've got it bad. When I want to switch my sleep pattern I just sit on the couch wrapped up watching TV and allow myself to nod off naturally.
#2
Oh dear!

Are you able to leave the house? I think the best way to get motivated is to do something! So you need to go and do something, go visit a friend, have a walk round the shops and yeah you really need to stay up all day but don't go to bed too early!

I know it's obvious but it does work :)
#3
Excessive sleep and disturbed sleep patterns can be a sign of clinical depression.

What happened with the water? Pipes froze?!

I sometimes found when I did the stay up all day and try sleep at night thing that I managed to keep myself up all day, then did not sleep the next night even though I felt knackered then slept longer the next day.

What you really need is something to get up for. Have you considered voluntary work? It will look good on your CV and keep you motivated.

Edited By: anewman on Dec 22, 2010 06:28
#4
RosieWoo
Oh dear!

Are you able to leave the house? I think the best way to get motivated is to do something! So you need to go and do something, go visit a friend, have a walk round the shops and yeah you really need to stay up all day but don't go to bed too early!

I know it's obvious but it does work :)


I dont have any friends locally! I have had a messed up sleep pattern for last few years but getting worse and worse, i.e even if I keep myself awake all night then go to bed 8pm the next day as I have overslept I feel rough all day for catching up on sleep and then cant sleep that evening as I overslept!
anewman
Excessive sleep and disturbed sleep patterns can be a sign of clinical depression.

What happened with the water? Pipes froze?!


Yep must be in loft, as pipes in kitchen etc arent frozen not even getting cold water at moment!

Well depression runs in family, dad is bi polar and mum suffers from it, but I waited 2 years for a appointment and psychologist said nothing wrong with me, then again I think that was just down to lack of funding, I mean I am losing my hair, gained 5 stone in 2 years and hate leaving house, dont socialise etc and they say nothings wrong.

Strange btw, that 3 replies came right away and none for ages before that.
#5
anewman
Excessive sleep and disturbed sleep patterns can be a sign of clinical depression.

What happened with the water? Pipes froze?!

I sometimes found when I did the stay up all day and try sleep at night thing that I managed to keep myself up all day, then did not sleep the next night even though I felt knackered then slept longer the next day.


+1
1 Like #6
I sympathise, I have all the same problems you do! The trick is to GET UP at the same time every day, regardless of what time you went to bed, no matter how bad you feel. Watch TV, read, phone or write to a friend, go for a walk, anything to keep awake! Much easier said than done I know (I havent been to bed yet ;-) but if you can, its guaranteed to work if you persevere! Good Luck!
#7
ryouga
Well depression runs in family, dad is bi polar and mum suffers from it, but I waited 2 years for a appointment and psychologist said nothing wrong with me, then again I think that was just down to lack of funding, I mean I am losing my hair, gained 5 stone in 2 years and hate leaving house, dont socialise etc and they say nothings wrong.

To be fair most NHS clinical psychologists are generally quite useless and overworked.

Sorry don't mean to be all clinical and say this is wrong that's wrong as that's not what I am trying to do, just suggesting some things to look at and consider. When you say not socialising, have you ever been good at socialising or always found it difficult? Reason I ask is if the latter I would suggest having a quick read about Asperger Syndrome. http://www.autism.org.uk/about-autism/autism-and-asperger-syndrome-an-introduction/what-is-asperger-syndrome.aspx

Hair loss is nothing to be concerned of, I know 21 year olds who have lost hair and receded, and apparently Philip Schofield went grey at 14 and dyed it in his early television days.

Edited By: anewman on Dec 22, 2010 06:57
#8
anewman
ryouga
Well depression runs in family, dad is bi polar and mum suffers from it, but I waited 2 years for a appointment and psychologist said nothing wrong with me, then again I think that was just down to lack of funding, I mean I am losing my hair, gained 5 stone in 2 years and hate leaving house, dont socialise etc and they say nothings wrong.

To be fair most NHS clinical psychologists are generally quite useless and overworked.

Sorry don't mean to be all clinical and say this is wrong that's wrong as that's not what I am trying to do, just suggesting some things to look at and consider. When you say not socialising, have you ever been good at socialising or always found it difficult? Reason I ask is if the latter I would suggest having a quick read about Asperger Syndrome. http://www.autism.org.uk/about-autism/autism-and-asperger-syndrome-an-introduction/what-is-asperger-syndrome.aspx

Hair loss is nothing to be concerned of, I know 21 year olds who have lost hair and receded, and apparently Philip Schofield went grey at 14 and dyed it in his early television days.


Interestingly 2 years ago I had a dyslexia assessment and was diagnosed with dyslexia and dyspraxia and was told to get assessment for Aspergers, also my english lit lecturer who was an ex primary school teacher told me to wait after class once(before the assessment came back from uni for disablities) saying he thought I had aspergers, also was speaking to someone before who had kids with aspergers and a few minutes into conversation they went "not being funny but do you have aspergers" so people pick up on that.

I was good at socialising till I was 12, though had a temper till then and used to knock tables over at school when really young and have temper tantrums, then got badly bullied etc so went into my shell.

Misc has heard it all before as I have in the past started threads for the slightest thing so I have a rep here of being a moaner, which is understandable.
#9
A problem shared is a problem halved. Or thousandthed! ;-)
#10
ryouga
Interestingly 2 years ago I had a dyslexia assessment and was diagnosed with dyslexia and dyspraxia and was told to get assessment for Aspergers, also my english lit lecturer who was an ex primary school teacher told me to wait after class once(before the assessment came back from uni for disablities) saying he thought I had aspergers, also was speaking to someone before who had kids with aspergers and a few minutes into conversation they went "not being funny but do you have aspergers" so people pick up on that.

It seems quite a possibility then. As someone with Aspergers I have never had anyone else bring it up with me and it took the "professionals" a few years to diagnose me. I was originally misdiagnosed as Schizophrenic, if you look at what's called the "negative symptoms" for Schizophrenia, they're quite similar to Aspergers.

ryouga
I was good at socialising till I was 12, though had a temper till then and used to knock tables over at school when really young and have temper tantrums, then got badly bullied etc so went into my shell.

I guess at high school is generally when problems start, raging hormones in everyone and then being someone with Aspergers puts you to the bottom of the pecking order when the pack mentality kicks in. I hated High School due to the bullying and stopped going as it got so difficult, it was easier to stay at home and have my mum moan at me about not going to school. I too did the throwing things when I was younger but only at home, I guess I thought I'd never get away with it anywhere else. I sort of grew out of it but kicked a door down when I was 17 under a moment of seriously intense pressure. I guess at the time it was just my way of trying to communicate things I found difficult to put into words. I found at College bullying happened only a few times but was much milder than at school, and also happened the same way to other people. At University I found you could almost get lost in the crowd until someone asked you a question or there was group work involved, and I found the group work quite difficult.

I have since had one person apologise for the bullying at school over ten years on, on facebook, which was quite nice.




Edited By: anewman on Dec 22, 2010 07:42: spelling correction
1 Like #11
In all seriousness, a job really is an excellent fix for sleeping problems. Take it from me dude, I've been where you are now, and I'm well familiar with the sleep problem situation. The worst part for me was the way that the pattern could never roll backwards, only forwards, so each night of my jobless era my sleeptime would creep just a little bit forwards, until I'd gone from regularly going to bed before midnight and waking up at 7am or 8am depending on shift pattern, to going to bed (and usually not being able to sleep) until 6 or 7am, and waking up more or less whenever. Not that there'd be much point to get up. And I'd be bored out of my mind in the time when I was awake up until the dawn hours.

A job forces you into a sleep pattern, and no matter how tired you feel now at whenever times, your body really will adapt to keep you feeling perky throughout the day. Again, take this one from me. During my homebound holiday periods, I really get lazy, and I tend just to feel tired and bleh about things. Right now though, I'm serving 12 hr shifts with various errands at either end, and I'm still buzzing with energy throughout. I've not had a day off in a few weeks, and I still feel magic. It's not that I'm better formed than you, it's just that my body and brain adapts, and so will yours.

So, yeah, dude - see about getting yourself a job, even just a menial one where you can work away with your earphones on and an audiobook or lecture so you can expand your mind and intellect for when a proper job comes along, and you'll feel better.
[mod]#12
(no jokers saying get a job though!)


Why wouldn't you want a job??
#13
Amazing what happens when you get a job is you go to work earn money instead of scrounging and if you work hard enough you will sleep
3 Likes #14
Try and sell something on AV forums,that should help pass the time
#15
Syzable
(no jokers saying get a job though!)
Why wouldn't you want a job??


If he is on benefits he must be seeking work already i'm guessing
banned#16
Spend your day looking for a job. Treat looking for a job as a full time job as I did when I was unemployed. I am sure a 40hr work week will sort your sleep pattern right out.
2 Likes #17
leggettf
Amazing what happens when you get a job is you go to work earn money instead of scrounging and if you work hard enough you will sleep


Yes, I am sure all the years I worked meant nothing and I am now "scrounging" for having the indecency to claim benefits.
banned#18
ryouga
leggettf
Amazing what happens when you get a job is you go to work earn money instead of scrounging and if you work hard enough you will sleep


Yes, I am sure all the years I worked meant nothing and I am now "scrounging" for having the indecency to claim benefits.



There's no shame in claiming benifts, a lot of people will have to at some point in their lives, thats what they are there for- as long as you're making an effort to find a job and looking rather than using benifits as a lifestyle choice; why sohlud someone work full time to pay in their taxes for someone who can't be bothered to look for work? thats what I disagree wit. if you're looking for work and making an effort then good on you though, good luck
3 Likes #19
How old are you? If youre seeking emplyment and actually want to work why dont you just go and do voluntary work all day til a job comes along that you want? Also why dont you get out there now and clear paths of snow etc for elderly neighbours n stuff?
#20
kungfu
How old are you? If youre seeking emplyment and actually want to work why dont you just go and do voluntary work all day til a job comes along that you want? Also why dont you get out there now and clear paths of snow etc for elderly neighbours n stuff?


Done voluntary work before, no elderly neighbours around here as this is a town centre and flats and the paths are gritted pretty much anyway.

Havent seen any local voluntary jobs around here for some reason, think its because its a tourist/holiday area so everythings seasonal.

I was asking around about befriending projects, and mentoring but obv with problems of my own they turned me down which is a shame, I would love to do something with the Prince's Trust again but they dont take over 25's as we did great stuff on that like fundraising and digging gardens for disavantaged kids youth centre, and another time painted and decorated a relaxation room for people with learning difficulties, would love to find a way to do that again.
#21
slightly confused, how does being on benefits stop you sleeping??

serious suggestion get a snow shovel and take yourself down to local bus/train station airport/motorway and clear the roads that should tire you out!
#22
ryouga



Havent seen any local voluntary jobs around here for some reason, think its because its a tourist/holiday area so everythings seasonal.



Put up your postcode and i bet someone can find you a voluntary job full time, in 20 mins

Edited By: kungfu on Dec 22, 2010 11:50
#23
http://www.do-it.org.uk

If you are having difficulties finding a job because of any condition, then I would recommend looking into Employment Support Allowance, which will help give you some access to the Disability Employment Advisor services at the job centre - although my experience of DEA's at the moment has not been great as I feel they're holding me back as much as the employers when I went to them because I felt held back by employers. It doesn't help much. All I want is a full time job, and they say they might eventually help find a part time job, what a waste.

Edited By: anewman on Dec 22, 2010 13:54
#24
Why not move from the crap hole you are living in,you are always on here moaning about things going wrong in the flat anyway,so get shifting house.

No job,no friends,no life where you are so that's not keeping you there is it.

A move may be what you need to sort yourself out

Edited By: boothy on Dec 22, 2010 14:22
#25
Well, so far hes stated he lives in a town center, so just let us know which and i will find you a full time voluntary job 9 til 5 , six days a week, this will ensure by 9-10pm on a night u are nice and tired and ready for sleep, plus you are doing a great thing for a good cause until you find a job , unless of course this is just an attention seeking thread and you dont really want an easy solution like above??
#26
kungfu
Well, so far hes stated he lives in a town center, so just let us know which and i will find you a full time voluntary job 9 til 5 , six days a week, this will ensure by 9-10pm on a night u are nice and tired and ready for sleep, plus you are doing a great thing for a good cause until you find a job , unless of course this is just an attention seeking thread and you dont really want an easy solution like above??


Well considering you edited your post before and your reply wasnt there at first, dont get all high and mighty, I have looked at the link given there and seen that there is a few in the area, just charity shop work is the only one I couldnt do from list, other wras wanting accountancy stuff done and other was a carer for old people. which would be unsuitable for me.
#27
Sounds like you could have mild depression, it might be worth asking your GP if there is a local IAPT service so you can get some CBT self help.

In the meantime, google "Sleep hygiene" as that will give you plenty of practical tips and check out the free CBT course at livinglietothefull.com
banned#28
two words; 'alarm clock'
#29
why not remove snow from some old folks garden paths so they dont go **** over ...excercise,fresh air and you will feel good about yourself by helping others???? just a thought
#30
CoffeeMaker
two words; 'alarm clock'

Lol I broke a TV once setting it on a wake timer, it didn't wake me up so eventually put it on full volume and still slept through it, would wake up ages after it turned on with it still on full volume. The speaker eventually broke, lol.
#31
ryouga
kungfu
Well, so far hes stated he lives in a town center, so just let us know which and i will find you a full time voluntary job 9 til 5 , six days a week, this will ensure by 9-10pm on a night u are nice and tired and ready for sleep, plus you are doing a great thing for a good cause until you find a job , unless of course this is just an attention seeking thread and you dont really want an easy solution like above??



Well considering you edited your post before and your reply wasnt there at first, dont get all high and mighty, I have looked at the link given there and seen that there is a few in the area, just charity shop work is the only one I couldnt do from list, other wras wanting accountancy stuff done and other was a carer for old people. which would be unsuitable for me.


so put up your postcode and i will get u a full time voluntary job, my sister is WELL clued up on this sector and you would be sorted in no time working 8 hours a day.... sleep problem will be sorted :)

Edited By: kungfu on Dec 22, 2010 22:55
#32
Don't like giving personal details out online(cept when buying and selling) I could pm you my details if needed though.

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