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Since 1979 the only election wins came under Blair's New Labour, which current Labour seems to want to distance itself from. Corbyn is running on a manifesto containing ridiculous tax policies and … Read More
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Since 1979 the only election wins came under Blair's New Labour, which current Labour seems to want to distance itself from.

Corbyn is running on a manifesto containing ridiculous tax policies and will likely be massacred at the General Election.

That will mean no Labour Party other than New Labour and no leader other than Blair will have won an election for four decades.

Doesn't that prove that labour can only win from the centre ground?
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dtovey89
I don't think Labour will win this election but I don't think the Tories will increase their margin. They need a much stronger and stable leader to do that.

I heard that if you say strong and stable three times in a mirror, Theresa May will appear and close down your local A&E.
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Traditional Labour can, and once they choose a respected leader, will regain power again.

It's not Labour's policies that turn voters away, it's Jeremy Corbyn and his warped version of what the Party stands for.

A vote for Labour today is a vote for CND, as Corbyn has made clear his views on that.

Corbyn and his cronies have no believable policy on Brexit, other than say all things to all people.

Corbyn and his cronies have promised to spend money on everything bar build a hotel in the clouds.

Corbyn has surrounded himself with the left wing dregs of the Party, with every believable Party Member deliberately taking two steps back.

The true debate takes places after the debacle they're about to suffer at the coming election.
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I don't think Labour will win this election but I don't think the Tories will increase their margin. They need a much stronger and stable leader to do that.
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I have to say, having voted Labour in the past, I and the overwhelming majority will celebrate from the rooftops when Corbyn, and his gang of light weight Trotskyists, are annihilated at the election.

I am sick to death of their attitude of blaming everyone but themselves about how they are perceived by the public.

No one, apart from his clique of lightweights, have any interest in his loony left beliefs.

Unfortunately, we've got to listen to this deluded gang of numpties for a few more weeks, before they finally get to crawl back under the rocks they've crept out from beneath.

The damage he has done, not only to the Labour Party, but in also preventing any honest hardworking and lower paid worker actually having anyone credible to represent their true beliefs, is unforgivable.

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After the GE there won't be a Labour Party the left & centre will split. The left will remain a fringe party and the centre will take many years before it can even become a credible opposition.
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Labour are suffering from a massive credibility problem, the last two leaders that they have gone for have simply not been anywhere near good enough. In my opinion Labour would have been in a far better position if they had voted in David Miliband prior to Corbyn and they are suffering the consequences to this day. Labour will not get back into power until they convince the electorate they are a serious party with realistic, deliverable policies instead of name calling all those who disagree with them.
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Am not convinced that Labour could win again, other than the electorate saying we fancy a change like they did with Blair.
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Labour are suffering from a massive credibility problem, the last two leaders that they have gone for have simply not been anywhere near good enough. In my opinion Labour would have been in a far better position if they had voted in David Miliband prior to Corbyn and they are suffering the consequences to this day. Labour will not get back into power until they convince the electorate they are a serious party with realistic, deliverable policies instead of name calling all those who disagree with them.
I think you mean voting in David Miliband prior to Ed Miliband. I think he had left British politics prior to the 'Corbyn' election.
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They'll promise the world but they can't deliver, They know they won't win but they'll continue.
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At least there is a real choice between the two parties now, whether people choose labour, wait and see.
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I don't think Labour will win this election but I don't think the Tories will increase their margin. They need a much stronger and stable leader to do that.
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dtovey89
I don't think Labour will win this election but I don't think the Tories will increase their margin. They need a much stronger and stable leader to do that.

I heard that if you say strong and stable three times in a mirror, Theresa May will appear and close down your local A&E.
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Labour are suffering from a massive credibility problem, the last two leaders that they have gone for have simply not been anywhere near good enough. In my opinion Labour would have been in a far better position if they had voted in David Miliband prior to Corbyn and they are suffering the consequences to this day. Labour will not get back into power until they convince the electorate they are a serious party with realistic, deliverable policies instead of name calling all those who disagree with them.

What policies did David propose that were better than Ed's? I'm intrigued in finding out why so many people say they prefer David over Ed? I think we all know why this view is shared and it has little to do with politics.
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Traditional Labour can, and once they choose a respected leader, will regain power again.

It's not Labour's policies that turn voters away, it's Jeremy Corbyn and his warped version of what the Party stands for.

A vote for Labour today is a vote for CND, as Corbyn has made clear his views on that.

Corbyn and his cronies have no believable policy on Brexit, other than say all things to all people.

Corbyn and his cronies have promised to spend money on everything bar build a hotel in the clouds.

Corbyn has surrounded himself with the left wing dregs of the Party, with every believable Party Member deliberately taking two steps back.

The true debate takes places after the debacle they're about to suffer at the coming election.
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The traditional labour policies don't fit with the views of the Metropolitan left who have been pushed to the front of the labour party. The sort of people on Facebook posting 'Tories eat disabled babies on toast for breakfast' and 'Seven reasons why you should accept Corbyn as your Lord and Savior' memes. They give disproportionate time to issues such as Palestine and Syria, which isn't on the radar of most people. They come across as shouty, annoying, unorganised and full of infighting and resignations.
Lots of people don't want to align their vote with that.





Edited By: DKLS on May 16, 2017 09:59
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dtovey89
I don't think Labour will win this election but I don't think the Tories will increase their margin. They need a much stronger and stable leader to do that.
I heard that if you say strong and stable three times in a mirror, Theresa May will appear and close down your local A&E.

May the souls of 1000 dead foxes haunt her forever
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Everyone thinks that Labour policies will belike the 1970's.

The world has changed and I don't think they would play out like that.

Although the policies are similar to those in the past, I think "hindsight" would help iron some of the issues.

Lets face it, is it right to pay over the odds for water? Shouldn't electricity and gas be something we are entitled too now in a modern Britain. Should folks really consider "its too much to keep cosy today".

The prices vs service delivery on the trains bad, there seems to be little incentive for private companies to much about it.

Older generations will always feel that public ownership word means the workers can hold the country to ransom over pay etc. I think its got to come with protection for the country and the workers.

The country needs to link Unis and schools to the NHS etc. so that software is made by the university's, students learn and are trained when they go to work on the software. Future software updates and medicine costs are small to public and we can always sell them on at a profit to the outside world.

I am not a labour supporter, I can see it working if it was done right.

Mostly people don't care, our Jermy sucks to most people so they wont vote for him.

I think when the election became about party leaders rather then parties it all went downhill. Really the party should pick the leader afters the election from the MPs who were elected and policy bureau within the party creates the policies!

Then its policies, not personalities!

We do not need to pick what the rest of the world has, we just need what works for us.

Edited By: groenleader on May 16, 2017 10:07
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dtovey89
I don't think Labour will win this election but I don't think the Tories will increase their margin. They need a much stronger and stable leader to do that.

May's recitation of those soundbites is awful, but are Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott any better?

I think you're in for a rude awakening when it comes to the margin of victory. The UK hasn't embraced policies this far to the left in your lifetime, yet you think they might appeal to a sizeable number of individuals??
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Traditional Labour can, and once they choose a respected leader, will regain power again.

It's not Labour's policies that turn voters away, it's Jeremy Corbyn and his warped version of what the Party stands for.

A vote for Labour today is a vote for CND, as Corbyn has made clear his views on that.

Corbyn and his cronies have no believable policy on Brexit, other than say all things to all people.

Corbyn and his cronies have promised to spend money on everything bar build a hotel in the clouds.

Corbyn has surrounded himself with the left wing dregs of the Party, with every believable Party Member deliberately taking two steps back.

The true debate takes places after the debacle they're about to suffer at the coming election.
I think you're underestimating the public's views of these policies, especially tax policy.

Increasing taxes on employers and employees who have done well for themselves hasn't proven to be a substantial vote-getter in decades.

As for Brexit, the Labour policy is to not do as bad a job as the Tories will in the negotiations. That's admittedly a low bar but this Labour party would still go under it.
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I don't think Labour will win this election but I don't think the Tories will increase their margin. They need a much stronger and stable leader to do that.
May's recitation of those soundbites is awful, but are Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott any better?
I think you're in for a rude awakening when it comes to the margin of victory. The UK hasn't embraced policies this far to the left in your lifetime, yet you think they might appeal to a sizeable number of individuals??

I think they've got a battle on their hand but they can win back some big Northern stomping grounds.
May is off her head stating she is the person to protect the working class lol
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I don't think Labour will win this election but I don't think the Tories will increase their margin. They need a much stronger and stable leader to do that.
May's recitation of those soundbites is awful, but are Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott any better?
I think you're in for a rude awakening when it comes to the margin of victory. The UK hasn't embraced policies this far to the left in your lifetime, yet you think they might appeal to a sizeable number of individuals??

I think they've got a battle on their hand but they can win back some big Northern stomping grounds.
May is off her head stating she is the person to protect the working class lol


they will lose big time in the North, if it wasn't for the fact that a lot of people in the North still hate the Tories from the Thatcher era and would vote labour regardless of policies, corbyn wouldn't win a seat.
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I don't think Labour will win this election but I don't think the Tories will increase their margin. They need a much stronger and stable leader to do that.
May's recitation of those soundbites is awful, but are Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott any better?
I think you're in for a rude awakening when it comes to the margin of victory. The UK hasn't embraced policies this far to the left in your lifetime, yet you think they might appeal to a sizeable number of individuals??
I think they've got a battle on their hand but they can win back some big Northern stomping grounds.
May is off her head stating she is the person to protect the working class lol

I'm not going to use 'working class', I'll say low-skilled workers (and that includes unskilled workers also).

The Tories likely won't protect low-skilled workers. Neither will Labour really.

Low-skilled workers are in trouble because of two things - outsourcing and automation. The Tories might not have a plan for that but neither does Labour.

What Labour did was fail to guard against UKIP who placed the blame for low-skilled workers woes on the EU and immigration. Of course there is some truth to the argument that cheap foreign labour undercuts some wages, but in many Northern towns the old industry jobs have gone to places like China or other markets. Others have simply been automated out of existence.

This is the problem with Labour - they're looking for 1970s solutions to 21st Century issues.

Edited By: HotEnglishAndWelshDeals on May 16, 2017 10:34
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dtovey89
I don't think Labour will win this election but I don't think the Tories will increase their margin. They need a much stronger and stable leader to do that.
May's recitation of those soundbites is awful, but are Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott any better?
I think you're in for a rude awakening when it comes to the margin of victory. The UK hasn't embraced policies this far to the left in your lifetime, yet you think they might appeal to a sizeable number of individuals??
I think they've got a battle on their hand but they can win back some big Northern stomping grounds.
May is off her head stating she is the person to protect the working class lol

they will lose big time in the North, if it wasn't for the fact that a lot of people in the North still hate the Tories from the Thatcher era and would vote labour regardless of policies, corbyn wouldn't win a seat.

I actually agree with you.

Labour has lost a lot of ground to UKIP with regards low-skilled workers fearful (rightfully so) for their jobs, and those voters will in turn go to the Tories because of their Brexit stance.

What Labour needs to do is move back to the centre but come up with proper policies that will help low-skilled workers, like universal basic income and tax incentives for technological companies who will develop in-house training schemes.

The Labour party is stuck in the 1970s trying to help bus drivers when buses will be self-driving in a couple of decades. They want to renationalise the rail networks but have nothing to say about a technological revolution in public transport.

They've got an intellectual midget from the 1970s running a party, and thus they have a intellectually bankrupt party who can't do anything beyond look at the politics of the past that they lost on once before.

Corbyn is not a sage or a prophet.

He's a guy with a couple of E-grade A-levels who flunked out of a Trade Union Studies course at North London Polytechnic.
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I don't think Labour will win this election but I don't think the Tories will increase their margin. They need a much stronger and stable leader to do that.
May's recitation of those soundbites is awful, but are Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott any better?
I think you're in for a rude awakening when it comes to the margin of victory. The UK hasn't embraced policies this far to the left in your lifetime, yet you think they might appeal to a sizeable number of individuals??

I think they've got a battle on their hand but they can win back some big Northern stomping grounds.
May is off her head stating she is the person to protect the working class lol


when corbyn puts wages up to £10 an hour, how many people will be laid off, signing on and struggling with inflated prices because every job in the production and supply chain is now paying £10 minimum.
I hope corbyn can find some gold to sell off to set up enough food banks.
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Intellectual midget, that made me laugh out louder than it should.
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dtovey89
I don't think Labour will win this election but I don't think the Tories will increase their margin. They need a much stronger and stable leader to do that.
May's recitation of those soundbites is awful, but are Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott any better?
I think you're in for a rude awakening when it comes to the margin of victory. The UK hasn't embraced policies this far to the left in your lifetime, yet you think they might appeal to a sizeable number of individuals??
I think they've got a battle on their hand but they can win back some big Northern stomping grounds.
May is off her head stating she is the person to protect the working class lol
DKLS paints them the way the right wing media has successfully painted them (#11).

The fact that the tories actually are bringing about the early deaths of the disabled and sick is lost in the public's repulsion of all things Islamic - and the right-wing media has successfully linked Labour with the negatives of Palestine and Syria.

That's what will be in people's minds when they go to vote, DT, not what's happening to the disabled/sick/workers - consumers rights/ the NHS/ the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, etc etc etc - none of that shall be in their minds.

The right-wing media have succeeded in taking the publics' mind off the economy and on to the bogeymen of mad militiant muslims.

Nobody is being honest about it, but that's exactly what's happening - in their pursuit of outright power the right-wing media are sacrificing a whole religion - with no thought whatsoever of the harm that will cause to the overwhelming vast majority of muslims who are actually beautiful peace loving people.

I'm a conservative minded man myself, but what the right-wing media is doing is, to my mind at least, a very wicked and evil thing - and I mean 'wicked' in the biblical sense, not the way 'hip' youngsters twist it today, and if this is the only way we can have power - I think I'd rather leave it in God's hands.



Edited By: tryn2help on May 16, 2017 11:18: i
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dtovey89
I don't think Labour will win this election but I don't think the Tories will increase their margin. They need a much stronger and stable leader to do that.
May's recitation of those soundbites is awful, but are Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott any better?
I think you're in for a rude awakening when it comes to the margin of victory. The UK hasn't embraced policies this far to the left in your lifetime, yet you think they might appeal to a sizeable number of individuals??
I think they've got a battle on their hand but they can win back some big Northern stomping grounds.
May is off her head stating she is the person to protect the working class lol
DKLS paints them the way the right wing media has successfully painted them.
The fact that the tories actually are bringing about the early deaths of the disabled and sick is lost in the public's repulsion of all things Islamic - and the right-wing media has successfully linked Labour with the negatives of Palestine and Syria.
That's what will be in people's minds when they go to vote, DT, not what's happening to the disabled/sick/workers - consumers rights/ the NHS/ the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, etc etc etc - none of that shall be in their minds.
The right-wing media have succeeded in taking the publics' mind off the economy and on to the bogeymen of mad militiant muslims.
Nobody is being honest about it, but that's exactly what's happening - in their pursuit of outright power the right-wing media are sacrificing a whole religion - with no thought whatsoever of the harm that will cause to the overwhelming vast majority of muslims who are actually beautiful peace loving people.
I'm a conservative minded man myself, but what the right-wing media is doing is, to my mind at least, a very wicked and evil thing - and I mean 'wicked' in the biblical sense, not the way 'hip' youngsters twist it today, and if this is the only way we can have power - I think I'd rather leave it in God's hands.

Um, what now?

Why bring religion into it, specifically Islam, when it's barely been a feature of the election debate (if at all!)?

What a bizarre post.
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dtovey89
I don't think Labour will win this election but I don't think the Tories will increase their margin. They need a much stronger and stable leader to do that.
May's recitation of those soundbites is awful, but are Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott any better?
I think you're in for a rude awakening when it comes to the margin of victory. The UK hasn't embraced policies this far to the left in your lifetime, yet you think they might appeal to a sizeable number of individuals??
I think they've got a battle on their hand but they can win back some big Northern stomping grounds.
May is off her head stating she is the person to protect the working class lol
DKLS paints them the way the right wing media has successfully painted them (#11).
The fact that the tories actually are bringing about the early deaths of the disabled and sick is lost in the public's repulsion of all things Islamic - and the right-wing media has successfully linked Labour with the negatives of Palestine and Syria.
That's what will be in people's minds when they go to vote, DT, not what's happening to the disabled/sick/workers - consumers rights/ the NHS/ the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, etc etc etc - none of that shall be in their minds.
The right-wing media have succeeded in taking the publics' mind off the economy and on to the bogeymen of mad militiant muslims.
Nobody is being honest about it, but that's exactly what's happening - in their pursuit of outright power the right-wing media are sacrificing a whole religion - with no thought whatsoever of the harm that will cause to the overwhelming vast majority of muslims who are actually beautiful peace loving people.
I'm a conservative minded man myself, but what the right-wing media is doing is, to my mind at least, a very wicked and evil thing - and I mean 'wicked' in the biblical sense, not the way 'hip' youngsters twist it today, and if this is the only way we can have power - I think I'd rather leave it in God's hands.

I didn't like your comment in regards to Islam.
I liked it because I read your first point about the right wing media brainwashing which is true. I wish I didn't like it though because you went on a mumbo jumbo rant about religion and your last sentence is absurd.
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dtovey89
I don't think Labour will win this election but I don't think the Tories will increase their margin. They need a much stronger and stable leader to do that.
May's recitation of those soundbites is awful, but are Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott any better?
I think you're in for a rude awakening when it comes to the margin of victory. The UK hasn't embraced policies this far to the left in your lifetime, yet you think they might appeal to a sizeable number of individuals??
I think they've got a battle on their hand but they can win back some big Northern stomping grounds.
May is off her head stating she is the person to protect the working class lol
DKLS paints them the way the right wing media has successfully painted them (#11).
The fact that the tories actually are bringing about the early deaths of the disabled and sick is lost in the public's repulsion of all things Islamic - and the right-wing media has successfully linked Labour with the negatives of Palestine and Syria.

I do love the stance of its all the right wing medias fault. The Labour party have no idea how to put their message across effectively and succinctly. Their approach to the press is amateur at best. Constant claims of a media conspiracy against them just look desparate to voters, When the BBC and Guardian of all media outlets can't find a way to make Labour look good, that's on them.
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dtovey89
I don't think Labour will win this election but I don't think the Tories will increase their margin. They need a much stronger and stable leader to do that.
May's recitation of those soundbites is awful, but are Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott any better?
I think you're in for a rude awakening when it comes to the margin of victory. The UK hasn't embraced policies this far to the left in your lifetime, yet you think they might appeal to a sizeable number of individuals??
I think they've got a battle on their hand but they can win back some big Northern stomping grounds.
May is off her head stating she is the person to protect the working class lol
DKLS paints them the way the right wing media has successfully painted them (#11).
The fact that the tories actually are bringing about the early deaths of the disabled and sick is lost in the public's repulsion of all things Islamic - and the right-wing media has successfully linked Labour with the negatives of Palestine and Syria.
I do love the stance of its all the right wing medias fault. The Labour party have no idea how to put their message across effectively and succinctly. Their approach to the press is amateur at best. Constant claims of a media conspiracy against them just look desparate to voters, When the BBC and Guardian of all media outlets can't find a way to make Labour look good, that's on them.

I agree. Labour supporters can't keep blaming the media.

Labour simply doesn't understand optics. They are called Socialists and Communists, then go and appoint someone like Andrew Murray (a lifelong Commie) as their election chief.

Same goes for Abbott - she wasn't given gotcha questions, she simply made stupid mistakes.

Labour can't get it's message across when they're given a chance. Their manifesto is out now and it's ridiculously naive.

I look forward to them being decimated and hopefully coming back with a truly forward-looking party rather than drafting in the voices of the late-70s and 80s who couldn't win an election first time round.
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I don't think Labour will win this election but I don't think the Tories will increase their margin. They need a much stronger and stable leader to do that.
May's recitation of those soundbites is awful, but are Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott any better?
I think you're in for a rude awakening when it comes to the margin of victory. The UK hasn't embraced policies this far to the left in your lifetime, yet you think they might appeal to a sizeable number of individuals??
I think they've got a battle on their hand but they can win back some big Northern stomping grounds.
l

Ah. You mean "take back control"?

Got your battlebus handy?
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dtovey89
I don't think Labour will win this election but I don't think the Tories will increase their margin. They need a much stronger and stable leader to do that.
May's recitation of those soundbites is awful, but are Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott any better?
I think you're in for a rude awakening when it comes to the margin of victory. The UK hasn't embraced policies this far to the left in your lifetime, yet you think they might appeal to a sizeable number of individuals??
I think they've got a battle on their hand but they can win back some big Northern stomping grounds.
May is off her head stating she is the person to protect the working class lol
DKLS paints them the way the right wing media has successfully painted them.
The fact that the tories actually are bringing about the early deaths of the disabled and sick is lost in the public's repulsion of all things Islamic - and the right-wing media has successfully linked Labour with the negatives of Palestine and Syria.
That's what will be in people's minds when they go to vote, DT, not what's happening to the disabled/sick/workers - consumers rights/ the NHS/ the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, etc etc etc - none of that shall be in their minds.
The right-wing media have succeeded in taking the publics' mind off the economy and on to the bogeymen of mad militiant muslims.
Nobody is being honest about it, but that's exactly what's happening - in their pursuit of outright power the right-wing media are sacrificing a whole religion - with no thought whatsoever of the harm that will cause to the overwhelming vast majority of muslims who are actually beautiful peace loving people.
I'm a conservative minded man myself, but what the right-wing media is doing is, to my mind at least, a very wicked and evil thing - and I mean 'wicked' in the biblical sense, not the way 'hip' youngsters twist it today, and if this is the only way we can have power - I think I'd rather leave it in God's hands.
Um, what now?
Why bring religion into it, specifically Islam, when it's barely been a feature of the election debate (if at all!)?
What a bizarre post.
Just pointing out how BOGEYMAN POLITICS are being used to maximum effect these days.

Even Brexit had almost everything to do with IMMIGRANTS and very little to do with anything else.

Political parties know they can't be upfront about their policies as people will reject them, so they keep quiet about policies and deploy bogeyman politics via friends in media.

It's not about religion or even Islam - it's about bogeyman politics.





Edited By: tryn2help on May 16, 2017 12:36: i
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I don't think Labour will win this election but I don't think the Tories will increase their margin. They need a much stronger and stable leader to do that.
May's recitation of those soundbites is awful, but are Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott any better?
I think you're in for a rude awakening when it comes to the margin of victory. The UK hasn't embraced policies this far to the left in your lifetime, yet you think they might appeal to a sizeable number of individuals??
I think they've got a battle on their hand but they can win back some big Northern stomping grounds.
May is off her head stating she is the person to protect the working class lol
DKLS paints them the way the right wing media has successfully painted them (#11).
The fact that the tories actually are bringing about the early deaths of the disabled and sick is lost in the public's repulsion of all things Islamic - and the right-wing media has successfully linked Labour with the negatives of Palestine and Syria.
I do love the stance of its all the right wing medias fault. The Labour party have no idea how to put their message across effectively and succinctly. Their approach to the press is amateur at best. Constant claims of a media conspiracy against them just look desparate to voters, When the BBC and Guardian of all media outlets can't find a way to make Labour look good, that's on them.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_Xt7cfXUAA0bun.jpg

http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_630_noupscale/591172ea1600000a12c5a261.png?cache=itqtfitpv1

I think the point of the media influencing opinions is very valid based on the above. The Tories haven't got the message of energy price caps across any different to how Labour did years ago.

The media needs reigning in on nonsense like this. Far too many treat these rags as reporting facts when it isn't the case. Fake news is rampant now and the way they scaremonger is disgusting.
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I don't think Labour will win this election but I don't think the Tories will increase their margin. They need a much stronger and stable leader to do that.
May's recitation of those soundbites is awful, but are Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott any better?
I think you're in for a rude awakening when it comes to the margin of victory. The UK hasn't embraced policies this far to the left in your lifetime, yet you think they might appeal to a sizeable number of individuals??
I think they've got a battle on their hand but they can win back some big Northern stomping grounds.
May is off her head stating she is the person to protect the working class lol
DKLS paints them the way the right wing media has successfully painted them.
The fact that the tories actually are bringing about the early deaths of the disabled and sick is lost in the public's repulsion of all things Islamic - and the right-wing media has successfully linked Labour with the negatives of Palestine and Syria.
That's what will be in people's minds when they go to vote, DT, not what's happening to the disabled/sick/workers - consumers rights/ the NHS/ the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, etc etc etc - none of that shall be in their minds.
The right-wing media have succeeded in taking the publics' mind off the economy and on to the bogeymen of mad militiant muslims.
Nobody is being honest about it, but that's exactly what's happening - in their pursuit of outright power the right-wing media are sacrificing a whole religion - with no thought whatsoever of the harm that will cause to the overwhelming vast majority of muslims who are actually beautiful peace loving people.
I'm a conservative minded man myself, but what the right-wing media is doing is, to my mind at least, a very wicked and evil thing - and I mean 'wicked' in the biblical sense, not the way 'hip' youngsters twist it today, and if this is the only way we can have power - I think I'd rather leave it in God's hands.
Um, what now?
Why bring religion into it, specifically Islam, when it's barely been a feature of the election debate (if at all!)?
What a bizarre post.
Just pointing out how BOGEYMAN POLITICS are being used to maximum effect these days.
Even Brexit had almost everything to do with IMMIGRANTS and very little to do with anything else.
Political parties know they can't be upfront about their policies as people will reject them, so they keep quiet about policies and deploy bogeyman politics via friends in media.
It's not about religion or even Islam - it's about bogeyman politics.

That changed quick, one minute its islamaphobia central and brexit voters don't like foreigners, now its the bogeyman and the nasty media, do you have a big bag of excuses ready to pull out when needed?
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dtovey89
I didn't like your comment in regards to Islam.
I liked it because I read your first point about the right wing media brainwashing which is true. I wish I didn't like it though because you went on a mumbo jumbo rant about religion and your last sentence is absurd.
Sorry, sometimes it's difficult to write without it being taken the wrong way - hence the reason I felt it necessary to include my belief of the vast majority of muslims being beautiful peace loving people.


In that last sentence I state my position as a conservative minded man, but the fact I'm not keen on some of their policies might seem like a contradiction to some.

First and foremost I'm a Christian, and I'm a lot of things besides being a Christian, including being a conservative minded man, but when I see something that does not appear very Christian to me - I tend to point it out - even if it's my own that's doing it.

I know you regard my position as absurd - that's your opinion and you're entitled to it - but, I've noticed with my secular friends politics is almost like football supporting to them - you've got to be all red or all blue, and I just confuse them by putting my Christianity ahead of that rule.


To summarise; my decisions are primarily based on my faith not my political beliefs.




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I don't think Labour will win this election but I don't think the Tories will increase their margin. They need a much stronger and stable leader to do that.
May's recitation of those soundbites is awful, but are Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott any better?
I think you're in for a rude awakening when it comes to the margin of victory. The UK hasn't embraced policies this far to the left in your lifetime, yet you think they might appeal to a sizeable number of individuals??
I think they've got a battle on their hand but they can win back some big Northern stomping grounds.
May is off her head stating she is the person to protect the working class lol
DKLS paints them the way the right wing media has successfully painted them (#11).
The fact that the tories actually are bringing about the early deaths of the disabled and sick is lost in the public's repulsion of all things Islamic - and the right-wing media has successfully linked Labour with the negatives of Palestine and Syria.
I do love the stance of its all the right wing medias fault. The Labour party have no idea how to put their message across effectively and succinctly. Their approach to the press is amateur at best. Constant claims of a media conspiracy against them just look desparate to voters, When the BBC and Guardian of all media outlets can't find a way to make Labour look good, that's on them.
Tony Blair and his 'New Labour' mob knew they could never get into power without the support of the right-wing media, hence the reason they went crawling on hands and knees with begging bowls to Rupert Murdoch et al.
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I don't think Labour will win this election but I don't think the Tories will increase their margin. They need a much stronger and stable leader to do that.
May's recitation of those soundbites is awful, but are Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott any better?
I think you're in for a rude awakening when it comes to the margin of victory. The UK hasn't embraced policies this far to the left in your lifetime, yet you think they might appeal to a sizeable number of individuals??
I think they've got a battle on their hand but they can win back some big Northern stomping grounds.
May is off her head stating she is the person to protect the working class lol
DKLS paints them the way the right wing media has successfully painted them (#11).
The fact that the tories actually are bringing about the early deaths of the disabled and sick is lost in the public's repulsion of all things Islamic - and the right-wing media has successfully linked Labour with the negatives of Palestine and Syria.
I do love the stance of its all the right wing medias fault. The Labour party have no idea how to put their message across effectively and succinctly. Their approach to the press is amateur at best. Constant claims of a media conspiracy against them just look desparate to voters, When the BBC and Guardian of all media outlets can't find a way to make Labour look good, that's on them.
Tony Blair and his 'New Labour' mob knew they could never get into power without the support of the right-wing media, hence the reason they went crawling on hands and knees with begging bowls to Rupert Murdoch et al.

Like I said, to the common voter this right wing media conspiracy bleating just makes them look desperate.
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HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
I agree. Labour supporters can't keep blaming the media.
Firstly, I'm not a Labour supporter.

I believe we ought to look at things the way they are, rather than through labour/tory etc eyes.


The importance of getting the media on side is paramount in winning votes.

The vast majority of voters are generally informed by what they see and hear via their accessible media - this gives the media enormous power, and anyone in search of power needs to get the media on side.


The media is almost univerally owned by the rich and powerful, and there is no way they're going to endanger their positions by giving any support to organisations that could harm them.


These are just facts.
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tryn2help
To summarise; my decisions are primarily based on my faith not my political beliefs.

Crazy in this day and age.
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I noticed how the conservatives campaign posters have "Vote Teresa May" rather than the usual "vote conservative", almost a presidential campaign. Having just read this artice (Its a long one but worth it) there is no way I am voting for TM.
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That changed quick, one minute its islamaphobia central and brexit voters don't like foreigners, now its the bogeyman and the nasty media, do you have a big bag of excuses ready to pull out when needed?


No change.


The strategy of BOGEYMAN POLITICS is being employed by the tories to win votes.


They name the bogeyman then taint their opponents with it - as you did brilliantly in post #11 when you linked them with the troubled states of Palestine and Syria '- ain't nobody got time for that'.

And, yes, immigration was the BOGEYMAN in the brexit vote.



It's not about religion, not about immigrants - it's about BOGEYMAN POLITICS.


. . . and, they're using their friends who own almost all of the media to keep pounding out the same negatives about the Labour Party.

The right-wing media know they can't win the election on a platform of how 'good' the tories are (because they're blinkin well not), so they've made it about how bad 'loonie lefties' are (and in fairness there's no smoke without fire).


. . oh, and I don't have excuses - I don't need any, I'm not even Labour - I only have observations.



Edited By: tryn2help on May 16, 2017 13:37
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Like I said, to the common voter this right wing media conspiracy bleating just makes them look desperate.
Like I said, I'm not Labour, and it's not a conspiracy, it's a fact - do you really want me to start hauling out all sorts of evidence from all over the net about propaganda, it's uses, who uses it, why they use it, how they use it, etc etc etc.


I only post about it because I seriously object to powermongers, politicians et al treating us as if we're too stupid to see what they're doing - not to stop them from doing it - I know we can't ever do that, but to stop them from treating us like idiots.
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My Political Compass:
Economic Left/Right: -2.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.51

Just call me Gandhi from now on.

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