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Ok so lease deals are a contentious issue on HUKD. Plenty of people swear buying £5k cars is the way to do it. Others think new is the only way to go. So why not have a thread where people can share…
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6m, 2w agoPosted 6 months, 2 weeks ago
Ok so lease deals are a contentious issue on HUKD. Plenty of people swear buying £5k cars is the way to do it. Others think new is the only way to go.
So why not have a thread where people can share their own buying tips. It is after all one of the largest purchases many of us make, yet we chase 10p off a bag of doughnuts.

Suggested topics to share.

1) Tips on paying.
2) Where to get decent valuations of trade in before the stealer.
3) Best place to research how much a car should be sold for.
4) What to look for in condition and known issues.
5) Is petrol always cheaper than Diesel.
6) Brokers for new cars, who is the best.

You get my idea. Please don't recommend specific garages as that will be too specific. Unless of course it's relevant to someone else's comment.
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6m, 2w agoPosted 6 months, 2 weeks ago
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#1
Reserved for who knows what.
3 Likes #2
My tip, look at the tyres, if it has 4 mismatched chinese ditch finders on it, run away, its a good chance that they have also scrimped on servicing.

I would have bought a XFR a month back if it wasn't shod with cheap tyres, immediately put me right off. Especially the way he drove it to the test drive.
2 Likes #3
Reserved for some reason unknown to me at the moment. Perhaps something will come to me soon :)
1 Like #4
dont buy the red ones. flux capacitors can be dodgy on those
1 Like #5
Oneday77
2) Where to get decent valuations of trade in before the stealer.

You check the value before you steal them? Do you nick cars to order?
1 Like #6
moneysavingkitten
Oneday77
2) Where to get decent valuations of trade in before the stealer.
You check the value before you steal them? Do you nick cars to order?
No but the dealer is the 'stealer'
#7
Buy a Ford, can't beat em!
http://www.motorstown.com/images/ford-capri-tickford-01.jpg

Edited By: Moonwolf1976 on Aug 15, 2016 00:49: July
1 Like #8
Don't buy anything French or Italian.

If short journeys then get a petrol.

Only get a diesel if you're going to be doing lots of motorway driving.!.
#9
shauneco
Don't buy anything French or Italian.
If short journeys then get a petrol.
Only get a diesel if you're going to be doing lots of motorway driving.!.

This is correct, I bought a petrol knowing I'd be doing low miles, I also wanted the extra power (Alfa Giulietta 1750 turbo). The dpf's are a problem with short journeys in a diesel.

But incorrect about don't buy Italian. :|
#10
airfix
shauneco
Don't buy anything French or Italian.
If short journeys then get a petrol.
Only get a diesel if you're going to be doing lots of motorway driving.!.
This is correct, I bought a petrol knowing I'd be doing low miles, I also wanted the extra power (Alfa Giulietta 1750 turbo). The dpf's are a problem with short journeys in a diesel.
But incorrect about don't buy Italian. :|

Always carry a bag of spanners in an Alfa ;).

I'm only joking, I think most cars these days are pretty reliable including French and Italian cars, I still wouldn't buy anything French or Italian though lol.
1 Like #11
shauneco
airfix
shauneco
Don't buy anything French or Italian.
If short journeys then get a petrol.
Only get a diesel if you're going to be doing lots of motorway driving.!.
This is correct, I bought a petrol knowing I'd be doing low miles, I also wanted the extra power (Alfa Giulietta 1750 turbo). The dpf's are a problem with short journeys in a diesel.
But incorrect about don't buy Italian. :|
Always carry a bag of spanners in an Alfa ;).
I'm only joking, I think most cars these days are pretty reliable including French and Italian cars, I still wouldn't buy anything French or Italian though lol.

Alfa's are well made these days, if you want bland styling and a disappointing drive go for a German. :p

Even Clarkson says the Giulia is a better car than the BMW M3
#12
Op, have a look at pcp deals if you intend to keep the car long term, I got a 0% deal, much cheaper than hp.
1 Like #13
airfix
shauneco
airfix
shauneco
Don't buy anything French or Italian.
If short journeys then get a petrol.
Only get a diesel if you're going to be doing lots of motorway driving.!.
This is correct, I bought a petrol knowing I'd be doing low miles, I also wanted the extra power (Alfa Giulietta 1750 turbo). The dpf's are a problem with short journeys in a diesel.
But incorrect about don't buy Italian. :|
Always carry a bag of spanners in an Alfa ;).
I'm only joking, I think most cars these days are pretty reliable including French and Italian cars, I still wouldn't buy anything French or Italian though lol.

Alfa's are well made these days, if you want bland styling and a disappointing drive go for a German. :p

Even Clarkson says the Giulia is a better car than the BMW M3


​Agree with this to an extent, not all German cars are boring to drive, but I've owned Italian cars that proved to be far less problematic and much more reliable than the German ones I've owned.
2 Likes #14
shauneco
Don't buy anything French or Italian.
If short journeys then get a petrol.
Only get a diesel if you're going to be doing lots of motorway driving.!.

The Alfa spider and the TVR Chimera were the two most reliable cars I have ever had, their reputations are supposed to be ruinous and friends and strangers would often joke that I would look good at the side of the motorway waiting for the RAC but those two didn't live up to their reputation and only required regular serving and replacement of standard wear and tear parts.

The most unreliable POS I have ever owned was a VW Passat which was supposedly reliable. Hateful car to drive and own.
1 Like #15
DKLS
shauneco
Don't buy anything French or Italian.
If short journeys then get a petrol.
Only get a diesel if you're going to be doing lots of motorway driving.!.
The Alfa spider and the TVR Chimera were the two most reliable cars I have ever had, their reputations are supposed to be ruinous and friends and strangers would often joke that I would look good at the side of the motorway waiting for the RAC but those two didn't live up to their reputation and only required regular serving and replacement of standard wear and tear parts.
The most unreliable POS I have ever owned was a VW Passat which was supposedly reliable. Hateful car to drive and own.

Everyone has different experiences with cars I guess.

I think most if not all manufacturers are starting to cut corners on quality, My friends got a brand new Golf SV and the interior plastics seem a little cheap quality.

My 10 year old S max seems better built and that's a Ford.!.
#16
Look for the following :
Tyre mismatch
Cracked windscreens
Scratches on body
Cigarette lighter - does it work
Lights - do they all work
Look under the hood
Check how the braking feels
Look for full service history
Prefer cars with less owners , current driver is a lady driver and there are low miles on the car ( i.e. been only used for shopping or school pickup trips )
1 Like #17
zworld
Look for the following :
Tyre mismatch
Cracked windscreens
Scratches on body
Cigarette lighter - does it work
Lights - do they all work
Look under the hood
Check how the braking feels
Look for full service history
Prefer cars with less owners , current driver is a lady driver and there are low miles on the car ( i.e. been only used for shopping or school pickup trips )

Low mileage town driving is probably more harmful to a car than a motorway mileage car.!.

Town driving involves more gearchanges ( Strain gearbox/clutch and components ), More braking, more carbon build up etc.. etc.. especially on a diesel car with the dpf requiring a regen every so often which often doesn't happen with town driving.
1 Like #18
shauneco
DKLS
shauneco
Don't buy anything French or Italian.
If short journeys then get a petrol.
Only get a diesel if you're going to be doing lots of motorway driving.!.
The Alfa spider and the TVR Chimera were the two most reliable cars I have ever had, their reputations are supposed to be ruinous and friends and strangers would often joke that I would look good at the side of the motorway waiting for the RAC but those two didn't live up to their reputation and only required regular serving and replacement of standard wear and tear parts.
The most unreliable POS I have ever owned was a VW Passat which was supposedly reliable. Hateful car to drive and own.
Everyone has different experiences with cars I guess.
I think most if not all manufacturers are starting to cut corners on quality, My friends got a brand new Golf SV and the interior plastics seem a little cheap quality.
My 10 year old S max seems better built and that's a Ford.!.

Very true, I parked up next to a MX5 yesterday it was only 5 years old, and it was riddled with rust.
2 Likes #19
zworld
Look for the following :
Tyre mismatch
Cracked windscreens
Scratches on body
Cigarette lighter - does it work
Lights - do they all work
Look under the hood
Check how the braking feels
Look for full service history
Prefer cars with less owners , current driver is a lady driver and there are low miles on the car ( i.e. been only used for shopping or school pickup trips )

As shauneco said, short journeys where the car doesn't get up to temperature is harmful to the engine.
#20
Thanks all, I am looking for a new car. However in doing some research etc. I keep finding that getting info can be hard work. So thought a share your ideas type thread would benefit everyone.

For instance, what options does car have fitted from the factory? Well with Ford https://www.etis.ford.com/ is the place to be. Other manufacturers may have similar sites.
Drivethedeal.com does have some great deals but Autoebid comes out cheaper. Though a week later, DriveTheDeal drop their price by £800 without prompting.
If you are going used, APR % tend to be higher, so new might work out cheaper.

I don't have a trade in, coming from a lease. So what tools do we have to get a true price on what you are buying should be priced at. I don't expect cost price but I want to avoid stupid markup. When trading in the garages laugh at Parkers Valuations, but you can't get a proper Cap or Glass valuation without trade access. Though If you quote Parkers when buying they state it's too low.
#21
Don't forget to factor in depreciation in your costings, even if you end up using man maths to justify a purchase, its the one thing that is often forgotten.

My Sil is a car salesman dream, never haggles and is thick as mince, her latest car switch was due to her car being "uneconomical" to run as it only did 40mpg and needed new brake pads and discs.
So she decided to spend 26k on a new car that would do 55mpg I was about to tell her how many years it would take for her to make a saving but my wife dug me in the ribs and gave me that look.
#22
airfix
The dpf's are a problem with short journeys in a diesel.
But incorrect about don't buy Italian. :|

It's not a deal breaker. My last car had DPF and I only do about 4-5k town miles a year. A once a month, 20 minute motorway run (10 out - 10 back) cleaned the DPF perfectly. I would know when it was due a clean as the engine would run slightly faster, and it would hold the gears for longer, trying to heat up ti engine to burn the crap off.
#23
deeky
airfix
The dpf's are a problem with short journeys in a diesel.
But incorrect about don't buy Italian. :|
It's not a deal breaker. My last car had DPF and I only do about 4-5k town miles a year. A once a month, 20 minute motorway run (10 out - 10 back) cleaned the DPF perfectly. I would know when it was due a clean as the engine would run slightly faster, and it would hold the gears for longer, trying to heat up ti engine to burn the crap off.

Petrol cars are cheaper than diesels though from new, you would have to drive maybe 50000 - 80000 miles before the savings in fuel start to overtake the higher purchase price.

I have a diesel van, I do short journeys and worried about the dpf, but I believe a van is more suited to a diesel especially when I'm towing two ton behind.
#24
airfix
deeky
airfix
The dpf's are a problem with short journeys in a diesel.
But incorrect about don't buy Italian. :|
It's not a deal breaker. My last car had DPF and I only do about 4-5k town miles a year. A once a month, 20 minute motorway run (10 out - 10 back) cleaned the DPF perfectly. I would know when it was due a clean as the engine would run slightly faster, and it would hold the gears for longer, trying to heat up ti engine to burn the crap off.
Petrol cars are cheaper than diesels though from new, you would have to drive maybe 50000 - 80000 miles before the savings in fuel start to overtake the higher purchase price.
I have a diesel van, I do short journeys and worried about the dpf, but I believe a van is more suited to a diesel especially when I'm towing two ton behind.

Basically yeah, petrols are cheaper to buy then their diesel equivalents. I was referring specifically to your DPF comments, just saying that it doesn't have to be a problem if somebody wanted a diesel. Some people prefer diesels for reasons other than economy.
#25
airfix
but I believe a van is more suited to a diesel especially when I'm towing a two ton behind.

Maybe cut back on the donuts?
#26
deeky
airfix
but I believe a van is more suited to a diesel especially when I'm towing a two ton behind.
Maybe cut back on the donuts?

I don't do donuts in the van, in the Alfa however

http://www.southernstar.ie/cache/01502607.gif
#27
Anyone recommend a good used car for around £3k? Could stretch to £5k if its really worth buying.

Ideal specs 5 door , automatic.
1 Like #28
deeky
airfix
The dpf's are a problem with short journeys in a diesel.
But incorrect about don't buy Italian. :|
It's not a deal breaker. My last car had DPF and I only do about 4-5k town miles a year. A once a month, 20 minute motorway run (10 out - 10 back) cleaned the DPF perfectly. I would know when it was due a clean as the engine would run slightly faster, and it would hold the gears for longer, trying to heat up ti engine to burn the crap off.

That's good while it's working, When the dpf regen no longer works as it's too carboned up and it requires replacing your looking at a £1k bill, Then their is the egr and other things that clog up more on diesels etc.. It's good that you're doing the regens though, not everybody does them which causes premature dpf failures etc..

It's ok if your car is upto about 5 years old but after 5 years with continuous stop/start situations things will most likely start to go wrong with costly repairs.

Petrol's are nearly 100% efficient from the first turn of the key, Diesels are only efficient once they've achieved normal operating temperature, Some small petrol engines can achieve similar mpg as some diesels if mpg is really that important. Overall you usually have to do some miles to get back any savings on fuel.

Obviously their are other factors like diesels have much better pulling power.

I guess for some people it doesn't really matter but to us second hand drivers it does ;).
1 Like #29
MarzBarz
Anyone recommend a good used car for around £3k? Could stretch to £5k if its really worth buying.
Ideal specs 5 door , automatic.

Depends what type of car you are after. £5k can get you a nice, roomy, economical and reliable family car.

Something like this
1 Like #30
deeky
MarzBarz
Anyone recommend a good used car for around £3k? Could stretch to £5k if its really worth buying.
Ideal specs 5 door , automatic.
Depends what type of car you are after. £5k can get you a nice, roomy, economical and reliable family car.Something like this

Sorry i forgot to add a hatchback.... Its for my partner so something like the skoda isnt ideal.

Edit the skoda does look nice though.

Right now ive boiled down the options to a Toyota Aygo 5 door automatic ( although this may be too small) , Golf MK5 DSG TDI although thats toward the higher end of the budget. Ideally after a small engine car but from what ive read small engine + auto isnt a great match.

Edited By: MarzBarz on Aug 15, 2016 14:41
1 Like #31
MarzBarz
deeky
MarzBarz
Anyone recommend a good used car for around £3k? Could stretch to £5k if its really worth buying.
Ideal specs 5 door , automatic.
Depends what type of car you are after. £5k can get you a nice, roomy, economical and reliable family car.Something like this
Sorry i forgot to add a hatchback.... Its for my partner so something like the skoda isnt ideal.

It's sort of hatchback-y :)
1 Like #32
deeky
MarzBarz
deeky
MarzBarz
Anyone recommend a good used car for around £3k? Could stretch to £5k if its really worth buying.
Ideal specs 5 door , automatic.
Depends what type of car you are after. £5k can get you a nice, roomy, economical and reliable family car.Something like this
Sorry i forgot to add a hatchback.... Its for my partner so something like the skoda isnt ideal.
It's sort of hatchback-y :)

Seriously though, if you are looking for a decent car I would try to decide what car you would like, then look in the classifieds on owner's forums. I've bought 2 from established members on Briskoda and they have both been spot on.
1 Like #33
deeky
deeky
MarzBarz
deeky
MarzBarz
Anyone recommend a good used car for around £3k? Could stretch to £5k if its really worth buying.
Ideal specs 5 door , automatic.
Depends what type of car you are after. £5k can get you a nice, roomy, economical and reliable family car.Something like this
Sorry i forgot to add a hatchback.... Its for my partner so something like the skoda isnt ideal.
It's sort of hatchback-y :)
Seriously though, if you are looking for a decent car I would try to decide what car you would like, then look in the classifieds on owner's forums. I've bought 2 from established members on Briskoda and they have both been spot on.

Thanks for the tip. Will do that first and then look on an owners forum.
1 Like #34
MarzBarz
deeky
deeky
MarzBarz
deeky
MarzBarz
Anyone recommend a good used car for around £3k? Could stretch to £5k if its really worth buying.
Ideal specs 5 door , automatic.
Depends what type of car you are after. £5k can get you a nice, roomy, economical and reliable family car.Something like this
Sorry i forgot to add a hatchback.... Its for my partner so something like the skoda isnt ideal.
It's sort of hatchback-y :)
Seriously though, if you are looking for a decent car I would try to decide what car you would like, then look in the classifieds on owner's forums. I've bought 2 from established members on Briskoda and they have both been spot on.
Thanks for the tip. Will do that first and then look on an owners forum.

You don't want to look like deeky do you?

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