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car - cam belt gone while doing 70

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6y, 10m agoPosted 6 years, 10 months ago
Hi,

The cam belt went on my GF's car - it's a 1.2 renault clio 11 years old with 53,000 miles on the clock.

The garage have said it's £120 to change the cam belt without doing any diags and just retry it - this may or may not work as the cam belt going may have damaged other parts. If it doesn't work then it will be between £600 - £800 to fix which isn't worth it because the car is only worth £800.

Is this normal practice for this sort of thing or is another garage going to be able to tell me what damage there is without me spending £120?

I think the problem is that to do any damage assessment they need to strip down the engine which is a long job :(

Just wanted to double check before we scrap it and go car shopping.
Thanks,
worto.
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6y, 10m agoPosted 6 years, 10 months ago
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#1
omg SNAP!!! same car too

had the same quote but had a free diagnostics first
#2
Don't see the point in spending £120 to find out you may need to spend another £800.

Would have thought they would find out if there is any damage before going ahead with the cam belt change.

You are correct in thinking it's a fairly big job as I would imagine the head would have to come off for inspection
#3
Odds on there will be more damage (and big at that) if you were doing 70mph. You can sometimes get away if doing something like 30mph.
#4
greg_68
Don't see the point in spending £120 to find out you may need to spend another £800.

Would have thought they would find out if there is any damage before going ahead with the cam belt change.

You are correct in thinking it's a fairly big job as I would imagine the head would have to come off for inspection


Yeah, and maybe a skim
banned#5
greg_68
Don't see the point in spending £120 to find out you may need to spend another £800.

Would have thought they would find out if there is any damage before going ahead with the cam belt change.

You are correct in thinking it's a fairly big job as I would imagine the head would have to come off for inspection


problem is you wont be able to diagnose any further trouble until the cam-belt is fixed
#6
dimebars
problem is you wont be able to diagnose any further trouble until the cam-belt is fixed


Of course you can, the most likely thing to have happened is damage to the valves which will be apparent when removing the head.
banned#7
greg_68
Of course you can, the most likely thing to have happened is damage to the valves which will be apparent when removing the head.


and if the valves arent damaged then its all ok?
#8
Why have you not had it changed (every 5 years or 60k miles) ?
#9
For someone else to tell you what damage may be done, more than the cylinder will need to come off.

Get a new, and non French car is my advice.
#10
I decided it wasnt worth any more repair work with mine and have taken the opportunity to use the scrappage scheme :thumbsup:
#11
Most likely you would have bent valves and therefore scrap the car and save £120 and buy another motor
banned#12
If he replaces the belt it will probably damage the car even more, just scrap it and remember to follow the maintenance procedures in future
#13
In days gone by the tolerances for engines was such that if the cam belt went the pistons valves etc would go out of sequence moving happily and useless making the engine stop. You fit a new cam belt and off you went.

However modern engines are built and run at such small tolerances that a cam belt going will mean that valves hit pistons bits snap off and major damage ensues. I had a Rover go like this on the motorway and it cost me £600 15 years ago and never ran right again. I ended up trading it in very soon after wasting that money.

Don't bother paying this amount to fix a car that old.
#14
Thanks for the answers guys - sorry for the lack of responses I've been in a meeting.

I decided it wasnt worth any more repair work with mine and have taken the opportunity to use the scrappage scheme


Can I use the scrappage scheme on it without getting it repaired - I thought it had to be a working car you scrapped?
#15
greg_68
Of course you can, the most likely thing to have happened is damage to the valves which will be apparent when removing the head.


Or just remove the rocker cover first off and carefully turn the camshaft. It'll be quite obvious if there are any bent valves :)

dimebars
and if the valves arent damaged then its all ok?


Pretty much. If the valves are ok then there would have been no piston contact ruling out piston/ring damage :)

Fwiw I had the same happen on my Escort van at 75, the idler exploded throwing the cambelt through the side of the cover. Net result 6 out of 8 valves bent. Cost me about £200 to rebulid it myself inc gaskets, cambelt, valves etc.
banned#16
chuck it on ebay as it stands may fetch £300
#17
worto03



Can I use the scrappage scheme on it without getting it repaired - I thought it had to be a working car you scrapped?


You can use a non running car within the scrappage scheme, it needs to be taxed , MOT'd and insured.

It is only going to be scrapped, no need for it be in working order.
#18
Inactive
You can use a non running car within the scrappage scheme, it needs to be taxed , MOT'd and insured.

It is only going to be scrapped, no need for it be in working order.


I guess the problem is surely the dealer has to see the car that is being scrapped against the new one, how are they going to get it to the dealers (short of towing/ trailering it)?
#19
greg_68
I guess the problem is surely the dealer has to see the car that is being scrapped against the new one, how are they going to get it to the dealers (short of towing/ trailering it)?


The dealer will collect on a transporter in most cases.
banned#20
Inactive

It is only going to be scrapped, no need for it be in working order.


The idea of the scrappage scheme is to get polluting old cars off the road, if they are broken they are already off the road :thumbsup: Can't find any definitive proof either way though some say must be road legal and a current MoT certificate. The MoT certificate is invalid if the car doesn't even move :-D
#21
Same thing happened to my Scenic last year, but I was only going at 30mph. I decided to get it fixed and it cost me £700 and that was mates rates for a local mechanic. I was going to keep the car and run it into the bground but when baby numbver 3 came along I reealised I needed a bigger car!!!
The mechanic was never able to give me a proper quote but a worse case scenario if he had to replace the whole engine. He didn't know until he took it apart.
Mine was only worth about the same price but you need to decide what is right for you. I would pop along to a number of garages to find out what they say they would give you in it's current state
banned#22
Inactive
You can use a non running car within the scrappage scheme, it needs to be taxed , MOT'd and insured.

It is only going to be scrapped, no need for it be in working order.


You edited, MoT means the car has to be in working order and insurance is invalid if car isn't road worthy :w00t:
#23
hummmmm we're going car shopping tonight so will drop into a new dealership as well and ask the question.

Seems to be a bit up for debate.

edit - might go for a 2nd hand car anyway - can't see much in our budget that my GF would agree to drive using the scrappage scheme!
#24
lumoruk
You edited, MoT means the car has to be in working order and insurance is invalid if car isn't road worthy :w00t:


Utter rubbish, the MOT only applies to the day the vehicle is tested, and insurance isn't classed as invalid because a car breaks down.
#25
lumoruk
The MoT certificate is invalid if the car doesn't even move :-D


That makes no sense. An MOT is only really valid till the car leaves the ramps anyway :lol:
#26
Shengis
That makes no sense. An MOT is only really valid till the car leaves the ramps anyway :lol:


Agreed. +1
#27
The timing belt book for technical data sais the chances are it has bent valves, The £120 cost for replacing the cam belt is about right, but you could take the cam cover off and you would possibly see if the valves are sitting low and if they are bent but its still not 100 % .

Hope this helps this advise is from a Qualified mechanic.
#28
worto03
Thanks for the answers guys - sorry for the lack of responses I've been in a meeting.



Can I use the scrappage scheme on it without getting it repaired - I thought it had to be a working car you scrapped?


I started a thread the other week here http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/578936/car-scrappage-question-help-please?p=7504487#post7504487 rang garage they said yes as long as everything was in order, tax, mot and insurance. I am now awaiting a Nissan Micra 1.2 Visia £6600 after scrappage allowance, only downside is I have to get the car there but thats no bother as ex is a recovery driver and will be so pleased to have it on the truck for one last time instead of every 2 months! Has worked out well for me as the tax runs out end of this month so all in all a good job. Give yr garage ring, should be across the board as they didnt make out it was a favour to me, like others have said, its getting scrapped anyway :thumbsup:
#29
lumoruk
You edited, MoT means the car has to be in working order and insurance is invalid if car isn't road worthy :w00t:


mine has always remained insured even when its been declared sorn, should someone steal it :)
banned#30
michelleleemoo
mine has always remained insured even when its been declared sorn, should someone steal it :)


If a car doesn't work, under a normal insurance policy you can't insure it, you try make a claim on it.
banned#31
Shengis
That makes no sense. An MOT is only really valid till the car leaves the ramps anyway :lol:


Certainly does make sense, if the police pull you over and you're driving on three wheels your car would no longer pass an MoT = no insurance
#32
renown
The timing belt book for technical data sais the chances are it has bent valves, The £120 cost for replacing the cam belt is about right, but you could take the cam cover off and you would possibly see if the valves are sitting low and if they are bent but its still not 100 % .

Hope this helps this advise is from a Qualified mechanic.


spot on:thumbsup: there is no need to waste £120, when a visual inpsection with the cam cover removed should reveal any damage (bent valves), i have had on the very rare occasion when a cambelt has snapped on a customers car, i was able to refit a belt & everything was ok, but it dosnt happen that often, certainly not on the more modern engines.
#33
lumoruk
Certainly does make sense, if the police pull you over and you're driving on three wheels your car would no longer pass an MoT = no insurance


Tell that to Delboy :p

You on the wacky baccy today or something? :lol:
#34
lumoruk
Certainly does make sense, if the police pull you over and you're driving on three wheels your car would no longer pass an MoT = no insurance


What a load of cobblers.
If the car wouldn't pass an MOT, it does not invalidate the insurance.
#35
you can definitely use a non running car for scrappage allowance, as stated previously its got to have a valid mot, road tax and had to have personally owned i.e in your name for a year. thats it, as i was looking into it to scrap my mr2 when engine blew up on me (only just spent 300 to get it thru its mot!!), every garage i went in said it was no problem. in the end, ended up getting another mr2. lol.
banned#36
thesaint
What a load of cobblers.
If the car wouldn't pass an MOT, it does not invalidate the insurance.


Sure does the car must be in a road worthy condition. MOT equals road worthy. According to a couple of people though looks like the garages aren't bothered.
#37
lumoruk
Sure does the car must be in a road worthy condition. MOT equals road worthy. According to a couple of people though looks like the garages aren't bothered.


So if you're driving along and for whatever reason your exhaust comes loose, broken rubber say, that makes your car uninsured and you can be nicked for no insurance?
#38
If your cam belt went at that speed, your engine is deffo ******ed.. 100% i know the piston shafts will be done in.
#39
lumoruk
If a car doesn't work, under a normal insurance policy you can't insure it, you try make a claim on it.


if the car is working while you are insured (as it should be) you are under no obligation to cancel yr insurance because it stops working, (as i said still insured when declared sorn and insurance company knowing this) likewise your mot is not invalid because your car suddenly stops working, otherwise you would have to mot it every time you went on the road :roll: you get yr car fixed its back to 'roadworthy' :thumbsup:
goodness me its not rocket science
#40
lumoruk
Sure does the car must be in a road worthy condition. MOT equals road worthy. According to a couple of people though looks like the garages aren't bothered.


Give over, you clearly don't know what you are talking about, you are just trying to mislead people.

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