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Child benefit to be scrapped for higher taxpayers

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banned6y, 2m agoPosted 6 years, 2 months ago
This doesn't affect me, but I think it's definitely the right way to go.

But what I really hope is that this is just softening people up for more cuts, especially lower down the 'economic scale'. They hit the 'toffs' now to appease the masses before cutting their benefits too.

But why are they waiting until 2013 for this to take effect?
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banned6y, 2m agoPosted 6 years, 2 months ago
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#2
Tickles me that he says this.....It's a big decision for us, but we think it's absolutely necessary and fair given the financial situation we face," he said.
If they got their priorities right, we wouldnt be so bad off.
40% tax blimey.
But yeah, why would someone need the child benefit with that much coming in anyhow?
#3
for some women its all they get! not all men cough up. Sad but true.. have known a few women in this situation.
I must admit tho it pees me off when they gie it to their kids as pocket money cos they dont need it.
banned 1 Like #4
plumberman01
for some women its all they get! not all men cough up. Sad but true.. have known a few women in this situation.


Can't afford a kid - don't have one.

Use a condom. Condom breaks, have an abortion.
#5
This is the bit I find laughable

Under the proposed changes, a family where both parents are earning just under £44,000 will continue to receive child benefit while a family where only one person is working and whose income is just above £44,000 will lose the payment.
banned#6
So is it only the poor men who use financial constraint to manipulate their partners?
#7
A married couple earning £40,000 each total £80,000, house income still get the benefit.
A married couple one works, one at home, worker earns £44,000, house income benefit stops.
#8
FilthAndFurry
plumberman01
for some women its all they get! not all men cough up. Sad but true.. have known a few women in this situation.
Can't afford a kid - don't have one.Use a condom. Condom breaks, have an abortion.

He's not saying that they can't afford to have a child. He's saying that in some families the men don't do the right thing and use their wages for the family.
banned#9
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FilthAndFurry
plumberman01
for some women its all they get! not all men cough up. Sad but true.. have known a few women in this situation.
Can't afford a kid - don't have one.Use a condom. Condom breaks, have an abortion.


He's not saying that they can't afford to have a child. He's saying that in some families the men don't do the right thing and use their wages for the family.


Don't have a baby with a d-bag.
#10
FilthAndFurry
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FilthAndFurry
plumberman01
for some women its all they get! not all men cough up. Sad but true.. have known a few women in this situation.
Can't afford a kid - don't have one.Use a condom. Condom breaks, have an abortion.
He's not saying that they can't afford to have a child. He's saying that in some families the men don't do the right thing and use their wages for the family.
Don't have a baby with a d-bag.

You have a very simplistic and naive view of real life.
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It's about time the whole 'have a child.........get free money' culture comes to an end.

I have 3 and if i couldn't provide for them i wouldn't have had them. It's sad that the whole benefit system with kids means some have chosen to make a career out of it.
banned#12
Why are they waiting until 2013????

Stupid government.
suspended#13
Its about time this idea has been bandied about for years.
banned#14
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FilthAndFurry
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FilthAndFurry
plumberman01
for some women its all they get! not all men cough up. Sad but true.. have known a few women in this situation.
Can't afford a kid - don't have one.Use a condom. Condom breaks, have an abortion.
He's not saying that they can't afford to have a child. He's saying that in some families the men don't do the right thing and use their wages for the family.
Don't have a baby with a d-bag.


You have a very simplistic and naive view of real life.


Maybe, but I've never relied on state handouts and haven't had produced a child that I can't afford to keep.

I'm also a decent guy who treats women decently - if that makes me 'naive' then I'll take it.

But life is about responsibilities and there is no greater one in life than having a child and caring for it the best you can. That means choosing the right person to have it with, making sure you can afford it and providing a stable home.

I can't do that right now in my life so guess what - condoms and other 'preventative measures' (all of which are free I might add).
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Syzable
It's about time the whole 'have a child.........get free money' culture comes to an end. I have 3 and if i couldn't provide for them i wouldn't have had them. It's sad that the whole benefit system with kids means some have chosen to make a career out of it.

But those people who "make a career" out of it will still get the child benefit. Their income won't be over the threshold even with all the benefits. So it's not really going to have in impact on some.

Edited By: shibi din on Oct 04, 2010 09:42: adsfg
banned 1 Like #16
cherishu2
Tickles me that he says this.....It's a big decision for us, but we think it's absolutely necessary and fair given the financial situation we face," he said.
If they got their priorities right, we wouldnt be so bad off.
40% tax blimey.
But yeah, why would someone need the child benefit with that much coming in anyhow?

say that to the family of 5 where the man goes to work and mum stays at home yet they pay tax of 40% on a wage of over £38K

40% tax isnt just for the 'toffs'!
[mod]#17
shibi din
Syzable
It's about time the whole 'have a child.........get free money' culture comes to an end. I have 3 and if i couldn't provide for them i wouldn't have had them. It's sad that the whole benefit system with kids means some have chosen to make a career out of it.


But those people who "make a career" out of it will still get the child benefit. Their income won't be over the threshold even with all the benefits.


I know...........that's why i said the whole of it needs to come to an end. Make people responsible for themselves for a change.
banned#18
Syzable
shibi din
Syzable
It's about time the whole 'have a child.........get free money' culture comes to an end. I have 3 and if i couldn't provide for them i wouldn't have had them. It's sad that the whole benefit system with kids means some have chosen to make a career out of it.


But those people who "make a career" out of it will still get the child benefit. Their income won't be over the threshold even with all the benefits.


I know...........that's why i said the whole of it needs to come to an end. Make people responsible for themselves for a change.


Amen.

The welfare state should be a safety net, not a hammock.
banned#19
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Syzable
It's about time the whole 'have a child.........get free money' culture comes to an end. I have 3 and if i couldn't provide for them i wouldn't have had them. It's sad that the whole benefit system with kids means some have chosen to make a career out of it.
But those people who "make a career" out of it will still get the child benefit. Their income won't be over the threshold even with all the benefits.
I know...........that's why i said the whole of it needs to come to an end. Make people responsible for themselves for a change.

So you think a whole generation of children should suffer in poverty then....just to teach their parents a lesson.
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FilthAndFurry
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FilthAndFurry
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FilthAndFurry
plumberman01
for some women its all they get! not all men cough up. Sad but true.. have known a few women in this situation.
Can't afford a kid - don't have one.Use a condom. Condom breaks, have an abortion.
He's not saying that they can't afford to have a child. He's saying that in some families the men don't do the right thing and use their wages for the family.
Don't have a baby with a d-bag.
You have a very simplistic and naive view of real life.
Maybe, but I've never relied on state handouts and haven't had produced a child that I can't afford to keep.I'm also a decent guy who treats women decently - if that makes me 'naive' then I'll take it.But life is about responsibilities and there is no greater one in life than having a child and caring for it the best you can. That means choosing the right person to have it with, making sure you can afford it and providing a stable home. I can't do that right now in my life so guess what - condoms and other 'preventative measures' (all of which are free I might add).

You've got it spot on and hopefully one day you will make a good father. However, I would also say that to be a decent person you need to have a certain amount of compassion and understanding of situations that others may be in - situations which they did not plan for and had no way of foreseeing.
I like to try and see all points of view and try and understand the way other people live their lives.
banned#21
A shame they dont come down hard on those able to afford a team of accountants to shuffle money about to escape paying what they should be.

This change does affect me, but to be honest its peanuts anyway and after 2013, I would only have been entitled to claim for 1 for another 3 years. I'll survive.
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slamdunkin
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Syzable
It's about time the whole 'have a child.........get free money' culture comes to an end. I have 3 and if i couldn't provide for them i wouldn't have had them. It's sad that the whole benefit system with kids means some have chosen to make a career out of it.
But those people who "make a career" out of it will still get the child benefit. Their income won't be over the threshold even with all the benefits.
I know...........that's why i said the whole of it needs to come to an end. Make people responsible for themselves for a change.


So you think a whole generation of children should suffer in poverty then....just to teach their parents a lesson.


The system has to change at somepoint..........you can't put it off forever.

Why should people assume they have the right to have kids at others expense?
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its the way too go, but then i'd like to see the overall percentage of how much child benefit go to high rate tax payers rather than paying out for teenage mums who have x amount of kids just to get a council house and live off the benefits, becuase there'll be a damn site more paid to them.

Those kids are then taught to milk the system also and so starts the cycle again, its like a virus.
banned#24
FilthAndFurry
But life is about responsibilities and there is no greater one in life than having a child and caring for it the best you can. That means choosing the right person to have it with, making sure you can afford it and providing a stable home.

I can't do that right now in my life so guess what - condoms and other 'preventative measures' (all of which are free I might add).


You sound so sensible :thumbsup:

I wish that more men were like you.
banned#25
guv
A shame they dont come down hard on those able to afford a team of accountants to shuffle money about to escape paying what they should be.


Whilst in part I agree, especially for those who inherit wealth, tax avoidance (not evasion) is a big market and it generates a lot of tax from those employed in the industry.

But I agree some of the loopholes should be closed and tax evaders (especially corporations) should be punished more severely.
#26
Syzable
The system has to change at somepoint..........you can't put it off forever. Why should people assume they have the right to have kids at others expense?

I agree with what you are saying. Don't you think though, that for those who assume what you say above, they will still get the money from the government but in another form?

The government, from what I've seen so far, isn't doing anything yet about the "benefit culture" that exists in this country. They are saving money through 'safe' options.

Edited By: shibi din on Oct 04, 2010 09:51: ?
banned#27
MinstrelMan
its the way too go, but then i'd like to see the overall percentage of how much child benefit go to high rate tax payers rather than paying out for teenage mums who have x amount of kids just to get a council house and live off the benefits, becuase there'll be a damn site more paid to them.Those kids are then taught to milk the system also and so starts the cycle again, its like a virus.

Unfortunately this is all so true!

And F&F is correct to say that benefits should be a safety net not a hammock.
#28
DLM
FilthAndFurry
But life is about responsibilities and there is no greater one in life than having a child and caring for it the best you can. That means choosing the right person to have it with, making sure you can afford it and providing a stable home. I can't do that right now in my life so guess what - condoms and other 'preventative measures' (all of which are free I might add).
You sound so sensible :thumbsup:I wish that more men were like you.

funny that.... all men wish they were me, I ooze awesomness, and often illiteracy.
banned#29
slamdunkin
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Syzable
It's about time the whole 'have a child.........get free money' culture comes to an end. I have 3 and if i couldn't provide for them i wouldn't have had them. It's sad that the whole benefit system with kids means some have chosen to make a career out of it.
But those people who "make a career" out of it will still get the child benefit. Their income won't be over the threshold even with all the benefits.
I know...........that's why i said the whole of it needs to come to an end. Make people responsible for themselves for a change.


So you think a whole generation of children should suffer in poverty then....just to teach their parents a lesson.


So we keep putting it off and allowing the cycle of dependancy on the state to continue?

Guv's point about tax avoidance is pertinent, but you can't continue to hammer hard-working people and not expect them to avoid paying more tax to support people who have no interest in working.
#30
guv
MinstrelMan
its the way too go, but then i'd like to see the overall percentage of how much child benefit go to high rate tax payers rather than paying out for teenage mums who have x amount of kids just to get a council house and live off the benefits, becuase there'll be a damn site more paid to them.Those kids are then taught to milk the system also and so starts the cycle again, its like a virus.
Unfortunately this is all so true!And F&F is correct to say that benefits should be a safety net not a hammock.

I agree.

FilthAndFurry
slamdunkin
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shibi din
Syzable
It's about time the whole 'have a child.........get free money' culture comes to an end. I have 3 and if i couldn't provide for them i wouldn't have had them. It's sad that the whole benefit system with kids means some have chosen to make a career out of it.
But those people who "make a career" out of it will still get the child benefit. Their income won't be over the threshold even with all the benefits.
I know...........that's why i said the whole of it needs to come to an end. Make people responsible for themselves for a change.
So you think a whole generation of children should suffer in poverty then....just to teach their parents a lesson.
So we keep putting it off and allowing the cycle of dependancy on the state to continue?Guv's point about tax avoidance is pertinent, but you can't continue to hammer hard-working people and not expect them to avoid paying more tax to support people who have no interest in working.

I agree.

Edited By: shibi din on Oct 04, 2010 09:54: .
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shibi din
compassion and understanding of situations that others may be in - situations which they did not plan for and had no way of foreseeing


There are too many people taking the p with benefits.

I know of some member's on here who will happily plough out children as long as they aren't paying.

IMHO they have no respect for themselves or others.
banned 1 Like #32
To many tabloid readers on this thread....shame they haven't anough real world experience to form an opinion based on a more reasoned outlook. The world I see is a lot of people who have never had it so good and a few with very little.
banned#33
MinstrelMan
funny that.... all men wish they were me, I ooze awesomness, and often illiteracy.


You don't fancy me though :p
banned#34
slamdunkin
To many tabloid readers on this thread....shame they haven't anough real world experience to form an opinion based on a more reasoned outlook. The world I see is a lot of people who have never had it so good and a few with very little.


Do you claim benefits?
banned#35
slamdunkin
To many tabloid readers on this thread....shame they haven't anough real world experience to form an opinion based on a more reasoned outlook. The world I see is a lot of people who have never had it so good and a few with very little.


Tabloids, broadsheets, financial journals - whatever you read you'll see the welfare system paying out more now than it has ever done before. How is that right?

And we all live in the 'real world'. Your view is as valid as anyone else's - it is no more special or 'real'.
#36
DLM
MinstrelMan
funny that.... all men wish they were me, I ooze awesomness, and often illiteracy.
You don't fancy me though :p

Thats becuase I have taste, love. lol
1 Like #37
DLM
shibi din
compassion and understanding of situations that others may be in - situations which they did not plan for and had no way of foreseeing
There are too many people taking the p with benefits.I know of some member's on here who will happily plough out children as long as they aren't paying. IMHO they have no respect for themselves or others.

Yes, there are too many people taking the 'p' as you say, and that is a big problem that needs to be addressed, but as yet it has not been.

I don't know anyone personally on here therefore I can't comment.
banned#38
MinstrelMan
Thats becuase I have taste, love. lol


I am going to talk to my chickens.

They understand me :cry: :cry:
banned#39
DLM
slamdunkin
To many tabloid readers on this thread....shame they haven't anough real world experience to form an opinion based on a more reasoned outlook. The world I see is a lot of people who have never had it so good and a few with very little.
Do you claim benefits?

No...I've alway worked for myself
[mod]#40
shibi din
[quote=Syzable]

The government, from what I've seen so far, isn't doing anything yet about the "benefit culture" that exists in this country.


Sadly not. We need someone with the ''balls' to make a stand.

Educating people hasn't worked and countless other back to work initiatives as for the majority that means doing something for it.

Unfortunately it is those that abuse it that ruin it for others. In principal the state benefits and NHS is a great idea and pretty unique to this nation but there are always the uneducated and lowlifes that abuse it to the point that it creates a divide and resentment. :(

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