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8y, 4m agoPosted 8 years, 4 months ago
Well im building my 11yr old son a duo core pc all is going well etc, have all the bits eg 2gb ram, etc etc

What im wondering, not necessary the cheaper option but not over fussed on cost, would it be worth getting a wireless card to install into pc or should i just get wireless pen to plug into USB port?

Is there a particular one that is better at all?? I know the 802.11g be best option, but will they all pretty much work with any ISP as long as its wireless? I think i know all the answers but just wanted to double check them all.
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8y, 4m agoPosted 8 years, 4 months ago
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#1
In our house all the computers just use the wireless pen drives that go in the USB . They work well with just about any ISP I think .
1 Like #2
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.1506< thats the one I use, perfectly fine and does the job
#3
802.11n is best option, for a pc I'd go for a pen.
#4
Agree with Dean :thumbsup:
#5
Oh brill that PCI card looks fabby! just thought if it was in built might stop little fingers attacking the USB pen with him having ADHD he might like to fiddle to much on things hanging about on the outside lol
#6
If you buy 11g, thats fine, it will do you but will soon become dated as 11n is the latest technology and is already being rolled out.

With a wireless card, you don't have a long extension. Use it with a laptop, if you don't get a good signal, you move.

If you use a wireless card with a pc and don't get a good signal it's a little harder to move. With a usb stick there is an extention ariel which is much eaier to move to where you pick up the best signal.
#7
Yeah, i'd go for internal on a desktop, free's up valuable USB ports for a start :thumbsup: Plus it's unlikely to go missing or get damaged
#8
Get this http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/3475306/Edimax-EW-7728IN-PCI-Wireless-N-WiFi-Card-300mbps-802-11n/Product.html
Its cheap and future proof.
Plus if you get bad reception you can get an extended antenna.
#9
And if you have a spare PCI port I highly recommend you get that >http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.4702
#10
Get an internal card, they are generally better :)
#11
Well bought the deal extreme card but will get the one from play.com as well as and keep one as a spare! Rush in with both feet thats me lol i have spare PCI-E slots now left on the motherboard.
#12
In my experience, an external usb wireless device is better - it'll help you get better reception by just getting a usb extension cable - in fact many come with one as standard. On an internal wireless card, you'll have to get a new aerial (or aerial extension, which are pigs to find) which is a lot more expensive than the usb extension cable.
#13
dcx_badass
I'd also recommend a internal card, more reliable. 802.11g should be fine, I doubt your router supports 802.11n anyways.


I take it you know that most are backwards compatable.
#14
Id rather have a spare pci slot than usb, as you can then use the pci slot for an expansion card,mine has 4x USB, 1x e-sata and two extra internal sata so rather than losing a usb I gain three usb plus 3x sata, plus as people have mentioned a usb extension allows easier placement, i have mine tucked behind my harley davidson/jack daniels rug thats hanging from the wall over my desk!
1 Like #15
dcx_badass;2609586
Yes but it's not worth the extra price atm, internet connections are no where near 802.11g speeds yet.


huh? what about streaming files from one pc to another? If you are wanting to stream video files its well worth the price extra, plus its not an expense in the future either to upgrade, if I was buying new kit i'd be going for the 11n stuff, even streaming music makes a dent in the overheads.
1 Like #16
dcx_badass
Yes but it's not worth the extra price atm, internet connections are no where near 802.11g speeds yet.


Well saying as the guy said money is no object you are probably right but it doesn't take technology long to update. If speeds are so bad why change from b to g?

If it were me I would buy n, my router woudln't support it right now and I'd have to use it at g but when the time came to buy an n router, I wouldn't have to change my card again. Fibre Optics are being rolled out around the country right now.

Blink and you miss an update of some sort LOL
#17
I would skip the wireless and use homeplugs if the pc is in one position
#18
Well i will get the play.com card as well as, i know wireless works ok up there no probs as in the same room i have used a laptop in there, with full signal, will put whatever one in my PC as i need one as mine is being moved upstairs and not connected to my BT Hub any longer, need the space!

Also - know about PCI/PCI-E slots being different, thoguht i would rather keep the PCI-E slots spare if possible as its what a lot of cards etc use now i have noticed.

I have a good few usb ports spare, my son wont really use them as such anyway really.

Thanks for all the help, really appreciate it, im soo excited as its feels like its going to be a good achievement in my life if i do this, ok ok strange i know lol
#19
Just to clear up some of the myths here are the advantages and disadvantages to USB and PCI/PCI x1.

An internal PCI wifi card (or PCI x1) communicates directly with the Front Side Bus and NOT through the CPU. Using a USB connection requires the CPU to decode the traffic. This is the main advantage of using an internal connection. Moreover, an internal card usually (but not always) provide a screw in connection to an antenna connected to a cable which provides greater freedom of movement for the antenna whereas on USB devices, the antenna is usually fixed on the adapter itself. Of course, USB adapters can easily be susceptible to knocks too.

The big advantage of USB adapters is the ease of connection and portability.

It is NOT true that PCI/PCI x1 adapters provide greater connection than USB adapters. It is the chipset that determines the wifi performance. A USB wifi adapter with the same chipset as an internal PCI/PCI x1 wifi adapter will give the same performance.

Finally, someone suggested buying 802.11n. This provides absolutely NO speed increase for current broadband connections. 802.11g is sufficient. Also, 802.11n has not been finalised and is currently in draft specification. Consequently, the finalised standard may not be compatible with current 802.11n draft. 802.11 draft (and eventually 802.11n) would be beneficial in transferring data over a wireless network. For internet, the bit rate transfer does not exist 802.11g speed therefore 802.11g is sufficient. For file transfer, bit rate transfer of hard drives exceeds 802.11g which is where 802.11n draft and 802.11n has the advantage.
#20
dcx_badass
Most people only use the wireless for internet, personally I'd rather get a 802.11g card and a bigger hard drive.


£10 - £15 for a g card

£18 for an n card.

I know what id rather have for a few quid extra.
#21
ElliottC

Finally, someone suggested buying 802.11n. This provides absolutely NO speed increase for current broadband connections. 802.11g is sufficient. Also, 802.11n has not been finalised and is currently in draft specification. Consequently, the finalised standard may not be compatible with current 802.11n draft. 802.11 draft (and eventually 802.11n) would be beneficial in transferring data over a wireless network. For internet, the bit rate transfer does not exist 802.11g speed therefore 802.11g is sufficient. For file transfer, bit rate transfer of hard drives exceeds 802.11g which is where 802.11n draft and 802.11n has the advantage.


Yes that was me and like I said it would save having to upgrade at a later date. How likely do you think it is that the draft standard will change and not be compatible? Probably about as like as me visiting the moon.
#22
LadyMadonna
Yes that was me and like I said it would save having to upgrade at a later date. How likely do you think it is that the draft standard will change and not be compatible? Probably about as like as me visiting the moon.


The first draft of 802.11n has already been rejected and is likely to be incompatible with 802.11n when standardised.

http://resources.zdnet.co.uk/articles/features/0,1000002000,39285084,00.htm
http://www.wires-not-required.co.uk/Wireless_standards3.13.php?osCsid=a8c2db57bd25ceb095e5941b3b0b608f

Likely or not, Draft N is NOT a guarantee of compatibility with 802.11n when approved and it is important to point this out and let the purchaser decide for themselves if they wish to go ahead with Draft N or not.
#23
LadyMadonna;2609674
Yes that was me and like I said it would save having to upgrade at a later date. How likely do you think it is that the draft standard will change and not be compatible? Probably about as like as me visiting the moon.

I seem to recall one of the major manufacturers guaranteeing compatibilty when the final 11.n is released or a free upgrade, i'll see if i can find it again!
#24
harlzter
I seem to recall one of the major manufacturers guaranteeing compatibilty when the final 11.n is released or a free upgrade, i'll see if i can find it again!


That's different - that is a firmware upgrade to 802.11n.
#25
ElliottC
The first draft of 802.11n has already been rejected and is likely to be incompatible with 802.11n when standardised.



Yeah in 2006, before any devices were made available to public. Same process as anything else that is brought out. Once it goes public though it's usually a safe bet.
#26
LadyMadonna
Yeah in 2006, before any devices were made available to public. Same process as anything else that is brought out. Once it goes public though it's usually a safe bet.



Correct but even though Version 2 of 802.11n Draft is a safe bet regarding 802.11n compatibility, it is NOT guaranteed and as I said this is something that has to be made cognisant.

Here is an article that is more recent:

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/wireless/ps5678/ps6973/ps8382/prod_brochure0900aecd806b8a92_ns767_Networking_Solutions_Brochure.html
1 Like #27
Fair enough but in all honesty, if you were to go out today and buy a new router would you buy a wireless n or g?

If you would honestly buy a g then we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
#28
It's not just about speeds though, it's about the distance aswell. N will allow your computer/laptop to be much further from tha access point than what g would.
1 Like #29
LadyMadonna
Fair enough but in all honesty, if you were to go out today and buy a new router would you buy a wireless n or g?

If you would honestly buy a g then we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.


A good question! I have been waiting to buy wireless N as I have a server that streams media over the wireless network. I currently use 802.11g but my recent collection of HD content requires a faster transfer rate for wireless streaming. I know 802.11n draft will solve the issues but as I already have an 802.11g network, I am waiting for ratification of 802.11n (despite manufacturer's claims of compatibility with firmware upgrades).

However, if I did not own a wifi router and was to purchase one, I would go for 802.11n that is of draft 2.0 standard or higher and with the capacity for firmware upgrade. The reason being that if I was to buy an 802.11g router then I know I will replace it with an 802.11n when it is standardised so the risk in going for 802.11n Draft 2 isn't too high.

If I was using wifi purely for internet use only then I would go for the cheaper option of 802.11g.
#30
ElliottC


If I was using wifi purely for internet use only then I would go for the cheaper option of 802.11g.


So really it's a price issue then?

dcx_badass;26099
61
My router has MIMO and alot of other stuff to make it have a much greater distance that I'd ever need anyways.


The point is thought that the OP asked for the best options with price not being an issue. He said he knew 802.11g was the best standard. Now regardless of price price. Do you believe g to better than n?
#31
LadyMadonna
So really it's a price issue then?



The point is thought that the OP asked for the best options with price not being an issue. He said he knew 802.11g was the best standard. Now regardless of price price. Do you believe g to better than n?


For me, it is a price issue but you asked me the question and I replied with what I would do not what the OP should do.
#32
I know ;-) thanks for the natter.
#33
LadyMadonna
I know ;-) thanks for the natter.


Well it makes for a more enriching conversation when speaking to somebody who is well-informed. I am impressed with your knowledge.

Oh I didn't answer the other question. Of course 802.11n is better than 802.11g but for some uses (certainly in my case) 802.11n draft may not be the most judicious choice at the moment.
#34
harlzter;2609719
I seem to recall one of the major manufacturers guaranteeing compatibilty when the final 11.n is released or a free upgrade, i'll see if i can find it again!


ElliottC;2609730
That's different - that is a firmware upgrade to 802.11n.

No this was on draft n equipment, if when the final standardised version was released and the draft n gear didnt meet the criteria they offered a free replacement (ie upgrade) to equipment that met the standardised criteria, nothing to do with firmware upgrades (although this could come into play) firmware upgrades are always free anyway.
#35
harlzter
No this was on draft n equipment, if when the final standardised version was released and the draft n gear didnt meet the criteria they offered a free replacement (ie upgrade) to equipment that met the standardised criteria, nothing to do with firmware upgrades (although this could come into play) firmware upgrades are always free anyway.


Ah that puts it in a different light and this appears to be a no risk solution. If you can indicate the manufacturer and model number of the equipment in question I would certainly sit up and take interest.
1 Like #36
ElliottC;2610070
Ah that puts it in a different light and this appears to be a no risk solution. If you can indicate the manufacturer and model number of the equipment in question I would certainly sit up and take interest.


I recall the advert/article being in Computer Active, now i just have to dig a pile of them out and go through them! See ya next week! I thought it an ideal solution and certainly a great way to boost their sales, what you going to do buy brand A and chance it being compatible at final solution or brand B and guarantee it? Chances are though the equipment on the final release will be the same and all it will take is firmware updates, but a guarantee of compatibilty is ideal!
#37
Good news is ive found the info about guaranteed compatibilty,
here and here bad news is the promo finished in December :oops::oops::oops:
I knew I remembered reading about it though:-D. Took me a while and I thought id lost the plot for a while and was imagining it!
#38
omg wow what a debate, havent read iot all as i drank o much tonght, my hubby is wasted lol
#39
amcol;2612078
omg wow what a debate, havent read iot all as i drank o much tonght, my hubby is wasted lol



OI you started it!!!:p:p
#40
Thanks all for the advice, i have gone for a bog standard wireless card, if i have to upgrade it i do, as probably over time i will upgrade bits and pieces anyway.

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