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banned6y, 1m agoPosted 6 years, 1 month ago
The EU are wrong on this and it's shame Cameron has nowhere to turn unless he wants a huge bill on his hands.

In my opinion, whilst you're in prison, you have no active part in society. Simple. So being able to vote seems a little strange to me.

You commit crime, you give up your 'human rights' for the length of your sentence.

Bring back the chain gangs I say!
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1 Like #1
turn the uk into a prison state for europe.......


oh wait
#2
Wonder who the majority will vote for?
1 Like #3
Why haven't they made cuts in prisons? It costs more for their 3 meals a day than a meal on the NHS. People sick in hospital trying to get better get worse quality food than someone who's broke the law?! I'm fed up of them getting more rights than anyone else!
No TV, no books, no gym (to build theirselves up and beat up whoever they want!) no decent 3 meals a day. It should be like those foreign scarey prisons where it's pitch black with rats running everywhere- punish them, not put them in a hotel!!!
#4
does this mean any prisoner no matter what their crime is will be allowed a vote?
#5
looks like the BNP or EDF will have a few MPs after the next election then.
#6
Don't really see the problem, there are probably a lot dafter voters on the outside than inside.
[mod][Moderator]#7
I never thought I would agree with you on something jtt, but for once you are right
#8
ilovepink
does this mean any prisoner no matter what their crime is will be allowed a vote?

yep-next election we may have the "serial killer party" or the "armed roberry party"-probably more electable than the mainstream parties by that time.
#9
barky
ilovepink
does this mean any prisoner no matter what their crime is will be allowed a vote?


yep-next election we may have the "serial killer party" or the "armed roberry party"-probably more electable than the mainstream parties by that time.


oO wow thats well bad what loony thought that would be a good idea
#10
ilovepink
does this mean any prisoner no matter what their crime is will be allowed a vote?


According to the latest 'reports' they are likely to introduce a system which denies you the 'right to vote' if your sentence exceeds a specific term - likely to be around 4 years.
banned#11
ilovepink
does this mean any prisoner no matter what their crime is will be allowed a vote?


I'm not sure 'lifers' get the same deal but not all details have been released yet - I could be wrong.
#12
I am sure it makes a huge difference to an election result.

It sounds like some in here just want to disagree for the sake of it.

ilovepink
does this mean any prisoner no matter what their crime is will be allowed a vote?


No.
#13
barky
ilovepink
does this mean any prisoner no matter what their crime is will be allowed a vote?


yep-next election we may have the "serial killer party" or the "armed roberry party"-probably more electable than the mainstream parties by that time.


Nope (_;)
banned 1 Like #14
midjet666
Why haven't they made cuts in prisons? It costs more for their 3 meals a day than a meal on the NHS. People sick in hospital trying to get better get worse quality food than someone who's broke the law?! I'm fed up of them getting more rights than anyone else!
No TV, no books, no gym (to build theirselves up and beat up whoever they want!) no decent 3 meals a day. It should be like those foreign scarey prisons where it's pitch black with rats running everywhere- punish them, not put them in a hotel!!!


Maybe if you did a little research you would know that isn't true. When the daily mail (and others) reported on that story most of them forgot to mention that the costs were for prisoners in police cells, not prisoners in jails. Prisoners in jail usually have under £2 a day spent on them.

Don't see what the big issue is here anyway, most prisoners have no interest at all in voting, so this isn't really going to make much difference either way.
#15
fungimala
ilovepink
does this mean any prisoner no matter what their crime is will be allowed a vote?
According to the latest 'reports' they are likely to introduce a system which denies you the 'right to vote' if your sentence exceeds a specific term - likely to be around 4 years.

which will then be challenged in the european court,costing millions of pounds and the prisoners will win-you cannot set a mark of 4 years-either they are getting their "full human rights",or they arent-its a ridiculous idea which I dont agree with but you cant give it to some and not to others.
#16
barky
fungimala
ilovepink
does this mean any prisoner no matter what their crime is will be allowed a vote?
According to the latest 'reports' they are likely to introduce a system which denies you the 'right to vote' if your sentence exceeds a specific term - likely to be around 4 years.


which will then be challenged in the european court,costing millions of pounds and the prisoners will win-you cannot set a mark of 4 years-either they are getting their "full human rights",or they arent-its a ridiculous idea which I dont agree with but you cant give it to some and not to others.


Why is this unlikely to work when several european countries already operate this policy successfully ?
banned#17
colinsunderland
midjet666
Why haven't they made cuts in prisons? It costs more for their 3 meals a day than a meal on the NHS. People sick in hospital trying to get better get worse quality food than someone who's broke the law?! I'm fed up of them getting more rights than anyone else!
No TV, no books, no gym (to build theirselves up and beat up whoever they want!) no decent 3 meals a day. It should be like those foreign scarey prisons where it's pitch black with rats running everywhere- punish them, not put them in a hotel!!!


Maybe if you did a little research you would know that isn't true. When the daily mail (and others) reported on that story most of them forgot to mention that the costs were for prisoners in police cells, not prisoners in jails. Prisoners in jail usually have under £2 a day spent on them.

Don't see what the big issue is here anyway, most prisoners have no interest at all in voting, so this isn't really going to make much difference either way.


That's a huge generalisation to make.
Let me give you a scenario. Someone get's four years for being caught selling drugs. He/she is pretty fed up with society (probably for being caught) and so shows a little distain in the only way possible - voting for OUR government. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel the BNP might just get a few more of these votes - is that fair?
I would rather the vote go to people who live IN society and who's actions on voting day will decide their direct futures for the next 4/5 years, not somebody who can't play by the rules.
banned#18
You commit crime, you give up your 'human rights' for the length of your sentence.


Except you don't. All you give up is your liberty. In prison you still live in Britain and the state has more control over your life than almost anyone else. Plus prison is about rehabilitation as well as punishment and this is part of reintegrating into society.

I'm right on this one. Angry right-wingers wanting to show their 'tough on crime' credentials can disagree that 'it's not fair' like a baby, but ultimately they have no case.

Thread done.
banned#19
JonnyTwoToes
colinsunderland
midjet666
Why haven't they made cuts in prisons? It costs more for their 3 meals a day than a meal on the NHS. People sick in hospital trying to get better get worse quality food than someone who's broke the law?! I'm fed up of them getting more rights than anyone else!
No TV, no books, no gym (to build theirselves up and beat up whoever they want!) no decent 3 meals a day. It should be like those foreign scarey prisons where it's pitch black with rats running everywhere- punish them, not put them in a hotel!!!


Maybe if you did a little research you would know that isn't true. When the daily mail (and others) reported on that story most of them forgot to mention that the costs were for prisoners in police cells, not prisoners in jails. Prisoners in jail usually have under £2 a day spent on them.

Don't see what the big issue is here anyway, most prisoners have no interest at all in voting, so this isn't really going to make much difference either way.


That's a huge generalisation to make.
Let me give you a scenario. Someone get's four years for being caught selling drugs. He/she is pretty fed up with society (probably for being caught) and so shows a little distain in the only way possible - voting for OUR government. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel the BNP might just get a few more of these votes - is that fair?
I would rather the vote go to people who live IN society and who's actions on voting day will decide their direct futures for the next 4/5 years, not somebody who can't play by the rules.


So your problem is that they might vote for a party who you don't agree with.

Sacre bleu!
#20
I lol at the ignorance in this thread. :D

Carry on, it's entertaining.
1 Like #21
Anyone know the percentage of inmates that are none British / white. I doubt whether the BNP will be getting as many extra votes as you think.
#22
JonnyTwoToes
colinsunderland
midjet666
Why haven't they made cuts in prisons? It costs more for their 3 meals a day than a meal on the NHS. People sick in hospital trying to get better get worse quality food than someone who's broke the law?! I'm fed up of them getting more rights than anyone else!
No TV, no books, no gym (to build theirselves up and beat up whoever they want!) no decent 3 meals a day. It should be like those foreign scarey prisons where it's pitch black with rats running everywhere- punish them, not put them in a hotel!!!


Maybe if you did a little research you would know that isn't true. When the daily mail (and others) reported on that story most of them forgot to mention that the costs were for prisoners in police cells, not prisoners in jails. Prisoners in jail usually have under £2 a day spent on them.

Don't see what the big issue is here anyway, most prisoners have no interest at all in voting, so this isn't really going to make much difference either way.


That's a huge generalisation to make.
Let me give you a scenario. Someone get's four years for being caught selling drugs. He/she is pretty fed up with society (probably for being caught) and so shows a little distain in the only way possible - voting for OUR government. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel the BNP might just get a few more of these votes - is that fair?
I would rather the vote go to people who live IN society and who's actions on voting day will decide their direct futures for the next 4/5 years, not somebody who can't play by the rules.


I agree. If someone was in jail for harming you or your family member, would you want them having basic human rights? I know I wouldn't! Being able to vote is a privilege, and should only be given to those who aren't in jail!

And I apologise for getting it wrong, but even still in police cells they shouldn't have more spent on them. YOI have a lot more spent on them! So these teens and young adults commiting crimes do have more money spent on them than those in hospital.
A prison is there to punish people for breaking the law, apart from taking away their freedom, what else is really punishing them? Nothing really. If you're on the streets and don't have anywhere to live, prison is ideal- warm, 3 meals a day and TV/books. What more could you want?!
banned#23
wishihadadonkey
I never thought I would agree with you on something jtt, but for once you are right


Did it hurt?
banned#24
FilthAndFurry
JonnyTwoToes
colinsunderland
midjet666
Why haven't they made cuts in prisons? It costs more for their 3 meals a day than a meal on the NHS. People sick in hospital trying to get better get worse quality food than someone who's broke the law?! I'm fed up of them getting more rights than anyone else!
No TV, no books, no gym (to build theirselves up and beat up whoever they want!) no decent 3 meals a day. It should be like those foreign scarey prisons where it's pitch black with rats running everywhere- punish them, not put them in a hotel!!!


Maybe if you did a little research you would know that isn't true. When the daily mail (and others) reported on that story most of them forgot to mention that the costs were for prisoners in police cells, not prisoners in jails. Prisoners in jail usually have under £2 a day spent on them.

Don't see what the big issue is here anyway, most prisoners have no interest at all in voting, so this isn't really going to make much difference either way.


That's a huge generalisation to make.
Let me give you a scenario. Someone get's four years for being caught selling drugs. He/she is pretty fed up with society (probably for being caught) and so shows a little distain in the only way possible - voting for OUR government. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel the BNP might just get a few more of these votes - is that fair?
I would rather the vote go to people who live IN society and who's actions on voting day will decide their direct futures for the next 4/5 years, not somebody who can't play by the rules.


So your problem is that they might vote for a party who you don't agree with.

Sacre bleu!


No, they will have a 'protest vote' that's what worries me.
banned#25
midjet666

A prison is there to punish people for breaking the law


And to rehabilitate and eventually reintegrate offenders into society. You're so hung up on money (although not enough to bother reading up on it) so you should realise that preventing offenders from reoffending is actually cost-effective.
banned#26
JonnyTwoToes
FilthAndFurry
JonnyTwoToes
colinsunderland
midjet666
Why haven't they made cuts in prisons? It costs more for their 3 meals a day than a meal on the NHS. People sick in hospital trying to get better get worse quality food than someone who's broke the law?! I'm fed up of them getting more rights than anyone else!
No TV, no books, no gym (to build theirselves up and beat up whoever they want!) no decent 3 meals a day. It should be like those foreign scarey prisons where it's pitch black with rats running everywhere- punish them, not put them in a hotel!!!


Maybe if you did a little research you would know that isn't true. When the daily mail (and others) reported on that story most of them forgot to mention that the costs were for prisoners in police cells, not prisoners in jails. Prisoners in jail usually have under £2 a day spent on them.

Don't see what the big issue is here anyway, most prisoners have no interest at all in voting, so this isn't really going to make much difference either way.


That's a huge generalisation to make.
Let me give you a scenario. Someone get's four years for being caught selling drugs. He/she is pretty fed up with society (probably for being caught) and so shows a little distain in the only way possible - voting for OUR government. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel the BNP might just get a few more of these votes - is that fair?
I would rather the vote go to people who live IN society and who's actions on voting day will decide their direct futures for the next 4/5 years, not somebody who can't play by the rules.


So your problem is that they might vote for a party who you don't agree with.

Sacre bleu!


No, they will have a 'protest vote' that's what worries me.


People are allowed to vote in whatever manner they wish - I prefer calm nonchalance, but I understand others like a protest, a kerfuffle or even a primal screamy vote.

That's their right.
#27
midjet666
If you're on the streets and don't have anywhere to live, prison is ideal- warm, 3 meals a day and TV/books. What more could you want?!


What percentage of prisoners were street homeless before being banged up? oO

Edited By: thesaint on Nov 02, 2010 09:13: -
#28
FilthAndFurry
midjet666

A prison is there to punish people for breaking the law


And to rehabilitate and eventually reintegrate offenders into society. You're so hung up on money (although not enough to bother reading up on it) so you should realise that preventing offenders from reoffending is actually cost-effective.


And how many go on to reoffend? I am hung up on money as thousands of people are losing their jobs, our defences are being cut- yet those in prison aren't affected at all.
#29
dcx_badass
The main problem is obviously in local elections where you suddenly have a huge number of idiots in a prison voting and it could destroy the vote of the local people in the area.


Sounds like you've done some research.
So, all prisoners will vote in the area that the prison is located then?
banned#30
FilthAndFurry
You commit crime, you give up your 'human rights' for the length of your sentence.


Except you don't. All you give up is your liberty. In prison you still live in Britain and the state has more control over your life than almost anyone else. Plus prison is about rehabilitation as well as punishment and this is part of reintegrating into society.

I'm right on this one. Angry right-wingers wanting to show their 'tough on crime' credentials can disagree that 'it's not fair' like a baby, but ultimately they have no case.

Thread done.


I'm suggesting you should give up your human rights. It is obvious the hands on approach doesn't work with criminals. We need to get them productive at time of entry to the penal system in terms of paying back their dues to society (hence the chain gang idea).

And I must say, I haven't ever been called right wing before apart from this forum. X)

I love squirrels!
banned#31
FilthAndFurry
JonnyTwoToes
FilthAndFurry
JonnyTwoToes
colinsunderland
midjet666
Why haven't they made cuts in prisons? It costs more for their 3 meals a day than a meal on the NHS. People sick in hospital trying to get better get worse quality food than someone who's broke the law?! I'm fed up of them getting more rights than anyone else!
No TV, no books, no gym (to build theirselves up and beat up whoever they want!) no decent 3 meals a day. It should be like those foreign scarey prisons where it's pitch black with rats running everywhere- punish them, not put them in a hotel!!!


Maybe if you did a little research you would know that isn't true. When the daily mail (and others) reported on that story most of them forgot to mention that the costs were for prisoners in police cells, not prisoners in jails. Prisoners in jail usually have under £2 a day spent on them.

Don't see what the big issue is here anyway, most prisoners have no interest at all in voting, so this isn't really going to make much difference either way.


That's a huge generalisation to make.
Let me give you a scenario. Someone get's four years for being caught selling drugs. He/she is pretty fed up with society (probably for being caught) and so shows a little distain in the only way possible - voting for OUR government. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel the BNP might just get a few more of these votes - is that fair?
I would rather the vote go to people who live IN society and who's actions on voting day will decide their direct futures for the next 4/5 years, not somebody who can't play by the rules.


So your problem is that they might vote for a party who you don't agree with.

Sacre bleu!


No, they will have a 'protest vote' that's what worries me.


People are allowed to vote in whatever manner they wish - I prefer calm nonchalance, but I understand others like a protest, a kerfuffle or even a primal screamy vote.

That's their right.


I disagree. Commit a crime that leads to you being imprisoned and you lose that 'right'.
If you play no active part in society, you shouldn't be able to vote in a way that may change the direction of it.
banned#32
JonnyTwoToes
FilthAndFurry
You commit crime, you give up your 'human rights' for the length of your sentence.


Except you don't. All you give up is your liberty. In prison you still live in Britain and the state has more control over your life than almost anyone else. Plus prison is about rehabilitation as well as punishment and this is part of reintegrating into society.

I'm right on this one. Angry right-wingers wanting to show their 'tough on crime' credentials can disagree that 'it's not fair' like a baby, but ultimately they have no case.

Thread done.


I'm suggesting you should give up your human rights. It is obvious the hands on approach doesn't work with criminals. We need to get them productive at time of entry to the penal system in terms of paying back their dues to society (hence the chain gang idea).

And I must say, I haven't ever been called right wing before apart from this forum. X)

I love squirrels!


You don't stop being a human just because you're in prison - that's absurd, ergo you still have rights.

And again, whilst prison is there to punish, it is also there to rehabilitate. I really can't see why giving people some societal responsibility is such an issue.
banned#33
midjet666
FilthAndFurry
midjet666

A prison is there to punish people for breaking the law


And to rehabilitate and eventually reintegrate offenders into society. You're so hung up on money (although not enough to bother reading up on it) so you should realise that preventing offenders from reoffending is actually cost-effective.


And how many go on to reoffend? I am hung up on money as thousands of people are losing their jobs, our defences are being cut- yet those in prison aren't affected at all.


I agree.
A modern day chain gang that works the land with all proceeds going to a 'victims fund' - that's what we need!
#34
JonnyTwoToes
FilthAndFurry
JonnyTwoToes
FilthAndFurry
JonnyTwoToes
colinsunderland
midjet666
Why haven't they made cuts in prisons? It costs more for their 3 meals a day than a meal on the NHS. People sick in hospital trying to get better get worse quality food than someone who's broke the law?! I'm fed up of them getting more rights than anyone else!
No TV, no books, no gym (to build theirselves up and beat up whoever they want!) no decent 3 meals a day. It should be like those foreign scarey prisons where it's pitch black with rats running everywhere- punish them, not put them in a hotel!!!


Maybe if you did a little research you would know that isn't true. When the daily mail (and others) reported on that story most of them forgot to mention that the costs were for prisoners in police cells, not prisoners in jails. Prisoners in jail usually have under £2 a day spent on them.

Don't see what the big issue is here anyway, most prisoners have no interest at all in voting, so this isn't really going to make much difference either way.


That's a huge generalisation to make.
Let me give you a scenario. Someone get's four years for being caught selling drugs. He/she is pretty fed up with society (probably for being caught) and so shows a little distain in the only way possible - voting for OUR government. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel the BNP might just get a few more of these votes - is that fair?
I would rather the vote go to people who live IN society and who's actions on voting day will decide their direct futures for the next 4/5 years, not somebody who can't play by the rules.


So your problem is that they might vote for a party who you don't agree with.

Sacre bleu!


No, they will have a 'protest vote' that's what worries me.


People are allowed to vote in whatever manner they wish - I prefer calm nonchalance, but I understand others like a protest, a kerfuffle or even a primal screamy vote.

That's their right.


I disagree. Commit a crime that leads to you being imprisoned and you lose that 'right'.
If you play no active part in society, you shouldn't be able to vote in a way that may change the direction of it.


Of course Johnny, we've just got to let them commit crimes, and then cushion them in prison until they're out and can do it again, then a slap on the wrist, then they do it again, then back in prison again... Why shouldn't they be allowed to commit their crime? They have a job to do just like the rest of us. Of course it's not your normal 9-5 job, but they have the "right" to do whatever they wish to make money.
banned#35
midjet666

Of course Johnny, we've just got to let them commit crimes, and then cushion them in prison until they're out and can do it again, then a slap on the wrist, then they do it again, then back in prison again... Why shouldn't they be allowed to commit their crime? They have a job to do just like the rest of us. Of course it's not your normal 9-5 job, but they have the "right" to do whatever they wish to make money.


Oh wait, that's sarcasm isn't it. Nice one.

But I think a few people here have mentioned rehabilitation which would hopefully mean offenders didn't go back to a life of crime.
#36
Oh just to state, I know that not ALL criminals come out and reoffend, but a large number of them do- whether they're caught or not. So obviously prison the way it is atm, isn't working. It isn't a deterrent to commit crime.
Another thing, putting those who have commited fraud/money crimes shouldn't be put in there- hurt them where it hurts the most- in their pocket. If they have to work unpaid (so the money is going back to where it was stolen from) it would hurt them so much more than being locked in prison.
banned#37
FilthAndFurry
JonnyTwoToes
FilthAndFurry
You commit crime, you give up your 'human rights' for the length of your sentence.


Except you don't. All you give up is your liberty. In prison you still live in Britain and the state has more control over your life than almost anyone else. Plus prison is about rehabilitation as well as punishment and this is part of reintegrating into society.

I'm right on this one. Angry right-wingers wanting to show their 'tough on crime' credentials can disagree that 'it's not fair' like a baby, but ultimately they have no case.

Thread done.


I'm suggesting you should give up your human rights. It is obvious the hands on approach doesn't work with criminals. We need to get them productive at time of entry to the penal system in terms of paying back their dues to society (hence the chain gang idea).

And I must say, I haven't ever been called right wing before apart from this forum. X)

I love squirrels!


You don't stop being a human just because you're in prison - that's absurd, ergo you still have rights.

And again, whilst prison is there to punish, it is also there to rehabilitate. I really can't see why giving people some societal responsibility is such an issue.


I admire your humanitarian approach FAF but I strongly disagree (yes strongly!) X)
I don't agree with the notion that prisons are there to rehabilitate. If you've ever been to prison, you'd know that isn't the case. Unfortunately, I know quite a few people who have been in prison, mostly on drug charges, who have simply got better at it upon their release. I know these people. I know how they think. And I know they are a million miles away from being rehabilitated!

A harder hand is what is needed and that means taking away some of their basic human rights.

Sorry, not popular, but that's what I believe in.
#38
FilthAndFurry
midjet666

Of course Johnny, we've just got to let them commit crimes, and then cushion them in prison until they're out and can do it again, then a slap on the wrist, then they do it again, then back in prison again... Why shouldn't they be allowed to commit their crime? They have a job to do just like the rest of us. Of course it's not your normal 9-5 job, but they have the "right" to do whatever they wish to make money.


Oh wait, that's sarcasm isn't it. Nice one.

But I think a few people here have mentioned rehabilitation which would hopefully mean offenders didn't go back to a life of crime.


Hopefully they won't. I hope the person who severly assaulted me, then was sentenced to 4 months in prison, doesn't hold a grudge and come out and murder me. Hopefully he won't...
banned#39
JonnyTwoToes
FilthAndFurry
JonnyTwoToes
FilthAndFurry
JonnyTwoToes
colinsunderland
midjet666
Why haven't they made cuts in prisons?It costs more for their 3 meals a day than a meal on the NHS. People sick in hospital trying to get better get worse quality food than someone who's broke the law?! I'm fed up of them getting more rights than anyone else!No TV, no books, no gym (to build theirselves up and beat up whoever they want!) no decent 3 meals a day. It should be like those foreign scarey prisons where it's pitch black with rats running everywhere- punish them, not put them in a hotel!!!
Maybe if you did a little research you would know that isn't true. When the daily mail (and others) reported on that story most of them forgot to mention that the costs were for prisoners in police cells, not prisoners in jails. Prisoners in jail usually have under £2 a day spent on them.Don't see what the big issue is here anyway, most prisoners have no interest at all in voting, so this isn't really going to make much difference either way.
That's a huge generalisation to make.Let me give you a scenario. Someone get's four years for being caught selling drugs. He/she is pretty fed up with society (probably for being caught) and so shows a little distain in the only way possible - voting for OUR government. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel the BNP might just get a few more of these votes - is that fair?I would rather the vote go to people who live IN society and who's actions on voting day will decide their direct futures for the next 4/5 years, not somebody who can't play by the rules.
So your problem is that they might vote for a party who you don't agree with.Sacre bleu!
No, they will have a 'protest vote' that's what worries me.
People are allowed to vote in whatever manner they wish - I prefer calm nonchalance, but I understand others like a protest, a kerfuffle or even a primal screamy vote.That's their right.
I disagree. Commit a crime that leads to you being imprisoned and you lose that 'right'.If you play no active part in society, you shouldn't be able to vote in a way that may change the direction of it.

what if you are due to leave prison a week after you voted?

There seems to be a lot of assumption that prisoners all share the same political views...this isn't true as people from all sections of society can end up in prison.

The funniest thing about this is that prisoners could win up to £750,000 each in compensation if they are refused the right to vote.
#40
JonnyTwoToes
FilthAndFurry
JonnyTwoToes
FilthAndFurry
You commit crime, you give up your 'human rights' for the length of your sentence.


Except you don't. All you give up is your liberty. In prison you still live in Britain and the state has more control over your life than almost anyone else. Plus prison is about rehabilitation as well as punishment and this is part of reintegrating into society.

I'm right on this one. Angry right-wingers wanting to show their 'tough on crime' credentials can disagree that 'it's not fair' like a baby, but ultimately they have no case.

Thread done.


I'm suggesting you should give up your human rights. It is obvious the hands on approach doesn't work with criminals. We need to get them productive at time of entry to the penal system in terms of paying back their dues to society (hence the chain gang idea).

And I must say, I haven't ever been called right wing before apart from this forum. X)

I love squirrels!


You don't stop being a human just because you're in prison - that's absurd, ergo you still have rights.

And again, whilst prison is there to punish, it is also there to rehabilitate. I really can't see why giving people some societal responsibility is such an issue.


I admire your humanitarian approach FAF but I strongly disagree (yes strongly!) X)
I don't agree with the notion that prisons are there to rehabilitate. If you've ever been to prison, you'd know that isn't the case. Unfortunately, I know quite a few people who have been in prison, mostly on drug charges, who have simply got better at it upon their release. I know these people. I know how they think. And I know they are a million miles away from being rehabilitated!

A harder hand is what is needed and that means taking away some of their basic human rights.

Sorry, not popular, but that's what I believe in.


Someone who I know ended up in prison for a few months (can't remember why actually) but he's out, still as arrogant as ever and is selling illegal tobacco, and smokes marijuna around his 1 year old, along with his girlfriend. Such a lovely young man...

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