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hi i was just wondering if anybody can help i just received a summon tooday asking for £97.50 for tax year 2010-2011 + £40 court summons fee i have no quibble about paying what i owe. but i …
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6y, 1m agoPosted 6 years, 1 month ago
hi i was just wondering if anybody can help

i just received a summon tooday asking for £97.50 for tax year 2010-2011 + £40 court summons fee

i have no quibble about paying what i owe. but i do think the £40 summons is harsh

my point of argument is:
the £97.50 is what i owe on the tax year 2010-2011

the reason they issue me a summons is because i fail to pay my last payment on the 1st Jan (last payment date)
for the tax year

so technically i din owe them anything until AFTER 31st March. is that not right?

thanks for any guidance + advice
for me it seems that they were very quick on issuing the summons than sort out differences with us tax payer.
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6y, 1m agoPosted 6 years, 1 month ago
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#1
I thought council tax is due in full at the beginning of the year. They only allow one to pay it off in instalments, over the course of the year, provided one sticks to their payment plan.


Edited By: SUMMONER on Feb 17, 2011 15:23
banned#2
SUMMONER
I thought council tax is due in full at the beginning of the year. They only allow one to pay it off in instalments, over the course of the year, provided one sticks to their payment plan.



^ says the summoner.

OP: Pay your bills and it wouldn't happen. You deserve all you get I'm afraid. People like you add buracracy and if you weren't charged, councils would get the money back via other means - namely, and probably, council tax increases or budget changes.

More fool you for not paying.
#3
Moved to misc :)

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[mod]#4
7 Weeks overdue..........wouldn't say that was "very quick to issue a summons". Can't blame them for going to court.

Swallow it up and lesson learned i'd say.
#5
vibeone
SUMMONER
I thought council tax is due in full at the beginning of the year. They only allow one to pay it off in instalments, over the course of the year, provided one sticks to their payment plan.



^ says the summoner.

OP: Pay your bills and it wouldn't happen. You deserve all you get I'm afraid. People like you add buracracy and if you weren't charged, councils would get the money back via other means - namely, and probably, council tax increases or budget changes.

More fool you for not paying.


I disagree, theres a difference between purely being greedy and not wanting to pay and other things like just forgetting when its due or thinking it has been paid especially if other months were paid fine.

And if the council never issued any reminders then quickly jumps down the court route then thats bad.

But arguments can be made the council shouldnt need to remind someone, someone should check bank statements etc.
banned#6
ryouga
vibeone
SUMMONER
I thought council tax is due in full at the beginning of the year. They only allow one to pay it off in instalments, over the course of the year, provided one sticks to their payment plan.



^ says the summoner.

OP: Pay your bills and it wouldn't happen. You deserve all you get I'm afraid. People like you add buracracy and if you weren't charged, councils would get the money back via other means - namely, and probably, council tax increases or budget changes.

More fool you for not paying.


I disagree, theres a difference between purely being greedy and not wanting to pay and other things like just forgetting when its due or thinking it has been paid especially if other months were paid fine.

And if the council never issued any reminders then quickly jumps down the court route then thats bad.

But arguments can be made the council shouldnt need to remind someone, someone should check bank statements etc.


I forgot to pay mine in um... start of december. I got a reminder within 7 days (ie: due on the 1st, reminder on the 7th). It also said I was only entitled to 3 reminders per year (apr-apr) and made it clear if I forgot again and again I'd be taken to court and have monthly payments revoked etc.

All councils are different, but I'm pretty sure the OP just tried to wing it... and failed.
#7
SUMMONER
I thought council tax is due in full at the beginning of the year. They only allow one to pay it off in instalments, over the course of the year, provided one sticks to their payment plan.



Agree with this.

It is up to the individual to make payments on time. It is an expensive mistake and the council do not know if you are forgetful or trying to avoid.
#8
vibeone
ryouga
vibeone
SUMMONER
I thought council tax is due in full at the beginning of the year. They only allow one to pay it off in instalments, over the course of the year, provided one sticks to their payment plan.



^ says the summoner.

OP: Pay your bills and it wouldn't happen. You deserve all you get I'm afraid. People like you add buracracy and if you weren't charged, councils would get the money back via other means - namely, and probably, council tax increases or budget changes.

More fool you for not paying.


I disagree, theres a difference between purely being greedy and not wanting to pay and other things like just forgetting when its due or thinking it has been paid especially if other months were paid fine.

And if the council never issued any reminders then quickly jumps down the court route then thats bad.

But arguments can be made the council shouldnt need to remind someone, someone should check bank statements etc.


I forgot to pay mine in um... start of december. I got a reminder within 7 days (ie: due on the 1st, reminder on the 7th). It also said I was only entitled to 3 reminders per year (apr-apr) and made it clear if I forgot again and again I'd be taken to court and have monthly payments revoked etc.

All councils are different, but I'm pretty sure the OP just tried to wing it... and failed.


I got a reminder last week(must be time of year) for when I was a full time student 2 years ago and am still arguing it since they say I wasnt entitled to exemption as it was summer months(despite the form covering it) trying to add 10% on so some councils are bad either way.

Strange though that I have been living back in this town 7 months and they only contact me now, their excuse was its the end of the tax year so they send them out automatically.
#9
Have you tried ringing them to discuss it? When I was a single mum I was juggling one bill to the next but I found if I rang them to discuss it as soon as I knew I couldn't pay it they would be ok. Maybe you can see if they can give you a payment plan to clear the overdue.
#10
SUMMONER
I thought council tax is due in full at the beginning of the year. They only allow one to pay it off in instalments, over the course of the year, provided one sticks to their payment plan.



Correct, and they can refuse to offer that credit facility in future years, so the OP needs to pay up very quickly.
banned#11
ryouga
vibeone
SUMMONER
I thought council tax is due in full at the beginning of the year. They only allow one to pay it off in instalments, over the course of the year, provided one sticks to their payment plan.



^ says the summoner.

OP: Pay your bills and it wouldn't happen. You deserve all you get I'm afraid. People like you add buracracy and if you weren't charged, councils would get the money back via other means - namely, and probably, council tax increases or budget changes.

More fool you for not paying.


I disagree, theres a difference between purely being greedy and not wanting to pay and other things like just forgetting when its due or thinking it has been paid especially if other months were paid fine.

And if the council never issued any reminders then quickly jumps down the court route then thats bad.

But arguments can be made the council shouldnt need to remind someone, someone should check bank statements etc.

obviously OP would have received reminders! oO

Why should everyone else pay on time and not the OP?

I guess you dont pay any council tax.....................
#12
no i AM not trying to avoid to pay the bill

my bad for paying it late

but is the LATE that i am trying to question.

the amount i owe is for tax year 2010-2011 (end of march)

but end of march 2011 is NOT there yet. so how am i late?

unless somebody on the thread is right , the amount for 2010-2011 is suppose to be paid by the end of tax year 2009-2010 then is not due. otherwise it is a gesture of goodwill offered by the council to have monthly direct debit/payment plan



p/s : i had paid the bill in full now so pls i am NOT trying to wing it.
#13
Just give them a call and offer to pay remaining balance in full and apologise profusely, additionally see if you can put it on direct debit to prevent forgetting in future. Each council has there own rules regarding how they recover the money, where I worked if you have previously always paid within the month, but late i.e if your due date was 1st of month but you paid late but within the month, then we would cancel the summons as long as you paid balance and setup dd. Hope that helps:)
#14
P.S in answer to your inital question, the regulations states that the council tax bill for the year must be paid on the 1st of April of each financial year, however the council have the flexibility to allow you to pay in installment, but if you do not keep up with the installments they remove that right and thus you have to pay in full and you do not get until the end of the finacial year as many think.
#15
thanks MPharma

that very good advise. thanks
guess i will have to set up the dd soon.

spoke to 2 Assistant they will not back down on the summon even iwhen i agree to set up DD. said summon according to them, has been paid by the council. theres no way council is losing the £40 due to my incapability to pay the £97.50 due

well lesson learned. i was being slopppy and lazy, thou that i will be sent a final demand before it will proceed to court summon. i had always paid half the council tax by april and always wait for the letter to pay the rest.
#16
Have you always paid within the month?
If you have just send a note to the council tax recovery manager explaining this and they usually override us.

Edited By: MPharma on Feb 17, 2011 17:10: additional info
#17
The rule is late payment-reminder 1, late payment again-reminder 2, late payment again-Final notice i.e full balance must be paid, failure to do this-summons. It doesnt really cost the council this money, but it does make people take action.
#18
They dont mess around where council tax is concerned im afraid , but i would of thought they would of waivered the £40 summons when you payed the outsatanding balance plus offering to set a dd for future payments , they are very strict and on the ball ( barstewards !!! ) bit harsh though for i missed month and now rectified it imo


Ps i think its even harsher as like you said its until the 31st March and were well over a month away for that , so aslong as your bill has been settled by end of March i cant see how they can incur charges tbh

Edited By: shopstilldrops on Feb 17, 2011 17:13
#19
no i paid in bulk

say my council bill is £1000
i paid £500 on april

then sloppy wait for remind letter to pay the rest

they told me they sent me the 2nd reminder on august
i paid another £350

i was gona wait for final demand then i will pay the rest of £150.
instead here comes the summon :(
shouldnt have wait

phoned council straight away. no grounds to appeal.

my bad
this year is not gonna be the same

just wondering what happen if i just owe them £1?
#20
Prison is the only fair punishment for the OP!


P.S. Dont fall for the soap on the floor gag.
#21
i did not receive any final demand / notice

thats for sure. otherwise i would have pay it straight away

got a shock when the summon comes with the court date! embarassing!
#22
mmmkbb
no i paid in bulk

say my council bill is £1000
i paid £500 on april

then sloppy wait for remind letter to pay the rest

they told me they sent me the 2nd reminder on august
i paid another £350

i was gona wait for final demand then i will pay the rest of £150.
instead here comes the summon :(
shouldnt have wait

phoned council straight away. no grounds to appeal.

my bad
this year is not gonna be the same

just wondering what happen if i just owe them £1?

It would have automatically charged you the summons costs.. but in your case I woudl very much doubt that the fee will not be waived. Either write a letter or call back and ask to speak to the supervisor, even if you cant speak to them now ask for a call back. Where I worked these cases were cancelled regularly.. as summons were meant for those who just didnt want to pay... not those who were simply forgetful!!
#23
Bet you did , but i cant see how they can charge you extra when you have settled your final bill for the year which doesnt end until 31st March and we are still on in Feb ..................Balmy


PS -try going to a local one stop shop and see what they say , i had to do this when they messed our council tax up and they were really helpful '

Edited By: shopstilldrops on Feb 17, 2011 17:19
1 Like #24
Unfortunately – they go for the throat when it concerns council tax.

British Gas once took almost a £800 of my bank account by accident, it’s an account i have open which just deals with bills. I leave a little reserve in there for margin of error – nothing close to accommodate that though.

I missed a council tax payment as a result, they were straight onto me with letters.. Even though i paid it off 2 days after missing it.. Infact, i still got letters after i paid it!

TV License people are buggers aswell.

I’d moved house and did my address change for my TV License, direct debit was still being withdrawn.

Chap knocks on the door, “TV License.. You haven’t got one..”

“Yes i have, it comes out of my bank account like clockwork...”

“Show me your statement to prove it...”

Told him to get stuffed and slammed the door in his face.
#25
I've moved house so they sent me a bill for a top up for the remainder of this year, I then tried to set up a direct debit for the payments that are due in march, but they wouldnt let me, so they're not that helpfull at stopping people getting caught out
banned 1 Like #26
transit
Prison is the only fair punishment for the OP!


P.S. Dont fall for the soap on the floor gag.


Has the damage you sustained healed yet?
#27
thanks for the advice everybody

got the summon this morning and paid it after talking to the 2 advisors on the phone.

now will try speak to them again regarding the summon (shudder)
but i guess the chances will be slim for them to reimburse since they will be out £40.

also OH told me since i had then paid it in full i assume the responsiblity of the faulty party.

sigh

Edited By: mmmkbb on Feb 17, 2011 17:40
#28
You should have gone on their website and paid in full there, then you could say you had already paid by the time the summons arrived (could easily argue it was delayed in the post) which would give you something to use to get rid the the £40 charge.

Sometimes dealing with humans can disadvantage you, compared to online payments.
#29
wooo pinkiepondle good point!

i paid it using online payment after spoke to them on phone
but will they not leave any remarks on my account stating that i had already spoke to them?
#30
not now because you have admitted you are at fault and only paid after the summons. You should have received the summons, paid online and then rung them maybe a week later. Any excuse would do, maybe you paid online and went on holiday for a week and was surprised to get the summons when the bill is all paid up. You needed an angle to wriggle out of the £40 charge, you hadn't thought of one, just paniced.
#31
mmmkbb
wooo pinkiepondle good point!

i paid it using online payment after spoke to them on phone
but will they not leave any remarks on my account stating that i had already spoke to them?

We logged everything!!
1 Like #32
sigh
banned#33
shopstilldrops
Bet you did , but i cant see how they can charge you extra when you have settled your final bill for the year which doesnt end until 31st March and we are still on in Feb ..................Balmy


PS -try going to a local one stop shop and see what they say , i had to do this when they messed our council tax up and they were really helpful '

beacuse council tax must be paid by April in the year it starts or within 10 months via DD. Therefore final DD would have been around the 5-15th January therefore OP is a month late on the latest payment date

just set up a DD and pay monthly - mad to pay up front, even half of it tbh
#34
mmmkbb
no i paid in bulk

say my council bill is £1000
i paid £500 on april

then sloppy wait for remind letter to pay the rest

they told me they sent me the 2nd reminder on august
i paid another £350

i was gona wait for final demand then i will pay the rest of £150.
instead here comes the summon :(
shouldnt have wait

phoned council straight away. no grounds to appeal.

my bad
this year is not gonna be the same

just wondering what happen if i just owe them £1?

Post 15 you say 97.50 you don't seem to know what you owe not surprised council issued summons
banned#35
mmmkbb
no i paid in bulk

say my council bill is £1000
i paid £500 on april

then sloppy wait for remind letter to pay the rest

they told me they sent me the 2nd reminder on august
i paid another £350

i was gona wait for final demand then i will pay the rest of £150.
instead here comes the summon :(
shouldnt have wait

phoned council straight away. no grounds to appeal.

my bad
this year is not gonna be the same

just wondering what happen if i just owe them £1?

waiting for final demands is hardly a way to pay bills and costs the councils thousands in admin. Only right that you should pay extra imo
#36
Marty1981
mmmkbb
no i paid in bulksay my council bill is £1000i paid £500 on aprilthen sloppy wait for remind letter to pay the restthey told me they sent me the 2nd reminder on augusti paid another £350i was gona wait for final demand then i will pay the rest of £150.instead here comes the summon :(shouldnt have waitphoned council straight away. no grounds to appeal.my bad this year is not gonna be the samejust wondering what happen if i just owe them £1?
Post 15 you say 97.50 you don't seem to know what you owe not surprised council issued summons

no i was giving an example IF my council tax is £1000, how the payment got distributed.

but you are right i have no idea what i owed . was waiting for final demand to see the figure and pay
#37
csiman
mmmkbb
no i paid in bulksay my council bill is £1000i paid £500 on aprilthen sloppy wait for remind letter to pay the restthey told me they sent me the 2nd reminder on augusti paid another £350i was gona wait for final demand then i will pay the rest of £150.instead here comes the summon :(shouldnt have waitphoned council straight away. no grounds to appeal.my bad this year is not gonna be the samejust wondering what happen if i just owe them £1?
waiting for final demands is hardly a way to pay bills and costs the councils thousands in admin. Only right that you should pay extra imo

i got this bad habit from my dad. always pay bills at the last minute. my fault hands down

i just still not convinced that it is 100% right thou to charge me the summon without giving me the final demand letter

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