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8y, 2m agoPosted 8 years, 2 months ago
Has anyone gone for a job needing an enhanced CRB check when they have something on their CRB and got the job...or at least an interview?
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8y, 2m agoPosted 8 years, 2 months ago
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#1
Just had one done but there was nothing on it.

I think if you are straight with the future employer and tell them this will be revealed in the check they will appreciate your honesty
#2
they check after the interview - you have to disclose it at the interview I imagine
It would depend on the nature of the offence and the job
#3
My mate had one and got the job as the crime wasn't relevant to the position she was going for :oops:

They were looking for any record of crimes against minors, abh, gbh etc and hers wasn't
#4
ciaozammer
they check after the interview - you have to disclose it at the interview I imagine


You have to decare on the application form...but since as I am still technically employed buy someone requiring an enhanced CRB I'm wondering if that would go in my favour.
banned#5
bellabonkers
You have to decare on the application form...but since as I am still technically employed buy someone requiring an enhanced CRB I'm wondering if that would go in my favour.


it would still be checked hun
#6
bellabonkers;3103473
You have to decare on the application form...but since as I am still technically employed buy someone requiring an enhanced CRB I'm wondering if that would go in my favour.


well technically they last for 3 years I think so you could get away with it but if you needed it updating the incident would appear causing problems
#7
what did you get up to anyway?
#8
sassie
it would still be checked hun


I know it would be checked..it's not like I would hide anything. Just wondered what peoples thoughts on employing someone with a blemished background would be.
banned#9
bellabonkers
I know it would be checked..it's not like I would hide anything. Just wondered what peoples thoughts on employing someone with a blemished background would be.


I think it depends on what you have done and what you are applying for, i would say if its anything like gbh you wouldnt get very far
#10
sassie;3103522
I think it depends on what you have done and what you are applying for, i would say if its anything like gbh you wouldnt get very far


ditto plus circumstances

one of my brothers got done for gbh but the little 'beep' had attacked his teen daughter and scarred her for life.....
#11
ciaozammer
what did you get up to anyway?


hmmm......how much of the story do you want?
ok not going too deeply into the circumstances (but I was emotionally unwell and under treatment and awating councelling from my gp.) I was approched one night qite late on by a woman who started to be quite verbally agressive to me, pointing and shouting at me. Got the fright of my life - adrenaline kicked in and i slapped her and ran away. So I was done for assault. I know what i did was wrong :cry: It was a very tough time for me....but how can i prove to someone i am not a danger now. I have an unblemished 15 yr work history and now I'm being pushed out the job I loved.
#12
Bells, from what I know if you are upfront, unless it affects the type of work you will be doing, ie you are handling money and you will be dealing with cash, you will be working with children and you have a record for violent behaviour (abh,gbh. etc) generally i believe it relates to the seriousness of the actual conviction, and please do remember you do actually have to have a conviction against you before you need to declare it. I suspect you're worrying over something prematurely? :?
banned#13
choc1969
ditto plus circumstances

one of my brothers got done for gbh but the little 'beep' had attacked his teen daughter and scarred her for life.....


and has he ever been employed anywhere he needs a CRB check, i would be surprised if the take circumstances into account, they could not take the back lash of something happening
#14
bellabonkers
hmmm......how much of the story do you want?
ok not going too deeply into the circumstances (but I was emotionally unwell and under treatment and awating councelling from my gp.) I was approched one night qite late on by a woman who started to be quite verbally agressive to me, pointing and shouting at me. Got the fright of my life - adrenaline kicked in and i slapped her and ran away. So I was done for assault. I know what i did was wrong :cry: It was a very tough time for me....but how can i prove to someone i am not a danger now. I have an unblemished 15 yr work history and now I'm being pushed out the job I loved.


No, quite simply no need to declare it. (fire back me up here) (it was 15 years ago i assume)?
#15
snowflake
Bells, from what I know if you are upfront, unless it affects the type of work you will be doing, ie you are handling money and you will be dealing with cash, you will be working with children and you have a record for violent behaviour (abh,gbh. etc) generally i believe it relates to the seriousness of the actual conviction, and please do remember you do actually have to have a conviction against you before you need to declare it. I suspect you're worrying over something prematurely? :?


ah yes you see....i do, or did work with children! I'm going to kick myself for life over this.
#16
sassie;3103572
and has he ever been employed anywhere he needs a CRB check, i would be surprised if the take circumstances into account, they could not take the back lash of something happening


yep, got a job in the NHS, he disclosed it all and they couldn't discriminate because of some law
#17
snowflake
Bells, from what I know if you are upfront, unless it affects the type of work you will be doing, ie you are handling money and you will be dealing with cash, you will be working with children and you have a record for violent behaviour (abh,gbh. etc) generally i believe it relates to the seriousness of the actual conviction, and please do remember you do actually have to have a conviction against you before you need to declare it. I suspect you're worrying over something prematurely? :?


a caution shows up on an enhanced CRB and does have to be declared.
banned#18
hun when you see you have been done for assult, have you been found guitly of it
banned#19
choc1969
yep, got a job in the NHS, he disclosed it all and they couldn't discriminate because of some law


so what is the point in having a CRB check if they cannot discriminate againt you having one :?
#20
sassie
hun when you see you have been done for assult, have you been found guitly of it


Thats why I enhanced 'convicted' i meant to say it how sassie said it, sorry for being dim :roll:
#21
choc1969
yep, got a job in the NHS, he disclosed it all and they couldn't discriminate because of some law


I work for the NHS - was terribly treated and to some extent still am. Trying to escape the woman who is my current manager as she is the cause of a lot of my stress and anxiety.
I guess all I can do is keep applying and hoping and fingers crossed someone will take into acount my good eployment history and the circumstances. I know I can get good refs as many people quite high up have offered to give me them.
#22
sassie;3103611
so what is the point in having a CRB check if they cannot discriminate againt you having one :?


don't know

I know for a fact that we had a murderer in my job at the NHS, as as I was a union rep and a fellow rep had to represent him when they tried to discriminate,
#23
sassie
hun when you see you have been done for assult, have you been found guitly of it


I was cautioned, not convicted
banned#24
choc1969
don't know

I know for a fact that we had a murderer in my job at the NHS, as as I was a union rep and a fellow rep had to represent him when they tried to discriminate,


Please dont think im getting at anyone but it is digusting that they bring out this law to protect people yet can do nothing with it, what a pointless thing to have
#25
choc1969
don't know

I know for a fact that we had a murderer in my job at the NHS, as as I was a union rep and a fellow rep had to represent him when they tried to discriminate,


well...my union rep said to me some while ago that there is someone who was found guilty of child porn who works as a mental health nurse. I was also told the other day that there is a nurse who was done for fraud and cautioned for assault, but back in the late 70's
#26
sassie
Please dont think im getting at anyone but it is digusting that they bring out this law to protect people yet can do nothing with it, what a pointless thing to have


it's ok sassie. I agree in many ways.
#27
sassie;3103653
Please dont think im getting at anyone but it is digusting that they bring out this law to protect people yet can do nothing with it, what a pointless thing to have


I think its more to protect vulnerable people and children
banned#28
choc1969
I think its more to protect vulnerable people and children


but it doesnt
1 Like #29
Just found this Bella:

Question

I have been offered a job, and need to fill in a CRB form before they confirm the post. The trouble is, I received a police caution two years ago and I'm worried it'll affect my chances. Is this true?
Answer

The answer to your question will depend on whether the caution was formal, informal or a caution for a recordable offence.
Formal cautions, reprimands and warnings are not criminal convictions. This means they are not covered, in England and Wales, by the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 or, in Northern Ireland, by the Rehabilitation of Offenders (NI) Order 1978. Therefore, if the Criminal Records Bureau (CRB) check asks if you have a conviction you do not need to declare a caution. It is only if it asks whether you have been in trouble with the police that you will need to declare it.
Since December 1995, records of cautions for recordable offences (for which a client could be imprisoned), are held on the Police National Computer (PNC). Guidance states that they should be deleted after five years. Even so, records are not automatically deleted. What's more, some police forces retain records for longer than five years, and others indefinitely.
If a job applicant has applied for a job (or in some cases, is already in a job) that includes regularly caring for, training, supervising or being in sole charge of children or vulnerable adults, they will be asked to apply for an Enhanced Disclosure form and if you're asked to apply for this type of disclosure you will need to declare any cautions.
#30
Went to have a chat with a gentleman yesterday about a job I had seen advertised. he told me I seemed very enthusiastic and we had a good chat and a look around the dept. I felt I needed to be honest and told him, he looked a little suprised but then said to me it wasnt an issue with him, but an HR issue. It's not the job I would love, but it's a job and anything is better than nothing. Been given until Dec 18th to find myself a new possition or be terminated. What a lovely xmas I'm going to have!
banned#31
how can they sack you?
#32
sassie
how can they sack you?


hmm good question........they are calling it re-deployment. I have 12 weeks to find myself a new job within the trust. Then I will be given one weeks notice for every year I have worked there (nine) I have had restrictions put on what I may apply for!!! I feel I am being unfairly treated. I'm being pushed for a job in admin.....I have no admin skills what so ever. other than a basic idea of how to use a computer. I was told I may only visit Dept's i may wish to apply for in a 30min slot either first thing or last thing. There is a guy I work with also undergoing re-deployment who has been allowed to visit any dept at any time they specify. My ex collegues are appaled at the way I have been treated which gives me a little faith that they knew I was good at my job.....but I can't prove anything can I.
Went to see the union on Monday and going to give them a call again tomorrow.
#33
sigma
bellab, it's been a while since I was involved with Personnel Issues / Law, but this smacks a bit of constructive dismissal. If you have a union Rep they need to help / represent you in this (that's why they take your subs, let them earn it). Employment Law has progressed a lot during the last 5yrs to protect workers rights & you sound like you need some help. Really good luck and hope you get this unpleasnat situation sorted out. It can get you down terribly when things at work are unpleasant & you need to look after yourself :)


You know someone else commented to me about it being constructive dismissal. So far I feel the union havent been that great. But i don't know where else to look for help or who else to ask.
1 Like #34
Bella if you are not already then keep a log of everything that is being said to you and I mean everything. You need some help from your Union Rep and that's what you pay your subs for so get their backsides in gear for you.

Without knowing every single full fact it's hard to comment on but from what you have written so far it looks to me that you could be bordering on a constructive dismissal scenario.
Get some help from the so called Union experts :)

Hope it works out for you.
#35
Whoops was typing as Sigma posted , sorry :)
#36
snowflake
No, quite simply no need to declare it. (fire back me up here) (it was 15 years ago i assume)?


No last december.
#37
Bella, if your current post no longer exists and no suitable position is found within the redeployment process, you are effectively being made redundant......This is NHS policy and you will be entitled to one months pay for every year of service, all tax free.

I came out of that process last August, my old manager wasn't happy paying me off but they can't force you to slot in to a job especially an admin role. (lucky for me being clued up as a rep)
#38
choc1969
Bella, if your current post no longer exists and no suitable position is found within the redeployment process, you are effectively being made redundant......This is NHS policy and you will be entitled to one months pay for every year of service, all tax free.

I came out of that process last August, my old manager wasn't happy paying me off but they can't force you to slot in to a job especially an admin role. (lucky for me being clued up as a rep)


thanks for that choc.
I even got wrong from my manager for not applying for enough jobs. Well I'm paid at grade 4 now and she has told me I may apply for any grade 2 admin job. yet alot of them are part time. There is no way I could afford that pay cut....yet I also don't want to be redundant. I never have been, never want to be, and it's a scary prospect. I don't have anyone to help me ride the storm and it's been getting to me a great deal over the last couple of weeks (in case you never noticed my sensitivity!!!)
#39
bellabonkers;3103973
thanks for that choc.
I even got wrong from my manager for not applying for enough jobs. Well I'm paid at grade 4 now and she has told me I may apply for any grade 2 admin job. yet alot of them are part time. There is no way I could afford that pay cut....yet I also don't want to be redundant. I never have been, never want to be, and it's a scary prospect. I don't have anyone to help me ride the storm and it's been getting to me a great deal over the last couple of weeks (in case you never noticed my sensitivity!!!)


Bella hun, rules of redeployment are you are only allowed to apply for jobs one band below or above yours and your salary will be protected for 2 years whether you have to go part time or not

Can't believe they are trying to scr*w you, would love to be able to physically support you.

happy to chat over the phone if you ever need it xx
#40
choc1969
Bella hun, rules of redeployment are you are only allowed to apply for jobs one band below or above yours and your salary will be protected for 2 years whether you have to go part time or not

Can't believe they are trying to scr*w you, would love to be able to physically support you.

happy to chat over the phone if you ever need it xx


ahh you see this is where it gets a little more complicated. I have already used up one year of pay protection due to a merger of departments. I reinterviewed for my Nursery nurse post and didn't get it.I wasn't offered anything else and was going to be made redundant. yet they openly admitted to not wanting the scandal of making myself and a few others redundant and having to pay out. so anyway, i was offered a nursery assistant post due to so many employees being so disgruntled at our treatment they just handed in their notice and left. so I dropped from band 4 to band 2 but with pay protection of two years.
I really feel as if this woman does not want me there. There were many other problems leading up to the said incident, major things that I can't possibly go into on a forum but that it was recommended that I should have received counseling for along with the other people involved. remember I worked with children when you think what this incident could have been!!!!! It was a very harrowing time and like I say I know it's no excuse but I was so on edge no wonder I got the fright of my life. my nerves were shot to pieces.

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