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Cuts here,there,everywhere except overseas aid!!

boothy Avatar
6y, 1m agoPosted 6 years, 1 month ago
Just been watching sky news and their forecasts for all the cuts to be announced.

Apparently the only 2 areas which may escape cuts are the NHS and overseas aid.

In my opinion overseas aid should be the first to go.

Any valid reason why it should not be heavily cut/ abolished?


Please respect everyones opinions and refrain from any personal attacks and trolling please.
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1 Like #1
People dying of starvation and disease a valid enough reason?
#2
^^^^ +1
1 Like #3
cannyscot
People dying of starvation and disease a valid enough reason?


Not unless they are in the UK


In b4 hate followed by "good point boothy"

Edited By: boothy on Oct 20, 2010 08:14: Kojo
1 Like #4
I agree should be totally abolished , but no doubt the left wing brigade will have something to say about that.

Country is already messed up by so called do gooders about time this country grew some balls
1 Like #5
Surely whether you agree with it or not,we are honouring a long term commitment agreed at the g8 conference.The g8 and the UN are all pretty pointless if people sign agreements and then back out of them.
#6
barky
Surely whether you agree with it or not,we are honouring a long term commitment agreed at the g8 conference.The g8 and the UN are all pretty pointless if people sign agreements and then back out of them.

Thanks barky

That would obviously be a valid(ish) reason but if we cannot change the agreement, we still must trim it right down,and only give what we previously committed to, not a penny more,natural disasters or no natural disasters


Edited By: boothy on Oct 20, 2010 08:29: Njjj
1 Like #7
Let them take responsibility out of their own action. My point is they are in poverty and yet they are still making babies. While me and everyone else are trying to work our ass hard to pay the bills & taxes to support the irresponsible people. Where's the justice on this ?
#8
Well thats an explantion of the world. Do what you like and forget what you dont like

What if a natural disaster happended in the UK. Wouldn't you want help??

There are some ppl in poverty in the UK and still making babies and just sucking the tax credits??? would you class them in the same category??

Edited By: om4r on Oct 20, 2010 08:29: addition
#9
barky
Surely whether you agree with it or not,we are honouring a long term commitment agreed at the g8 conference.The g8 and the UN are all pretty pointless if people sign agreements and then back out of them.


I agree it is pretty pointless if the government sign agreements and the back out.
Just ask the 500,000 + public sector workers that will lose their jobs, homes, families etc etc, closely followed by private sector workers. We as public sector workers had agreements until the government decided alter them and then rip them up.
#10
I like to know where all this money goes anyway as nothing ever changes and nothing ever will, i feel it pointless as money just gets corrupted away and not to people who really need it.

There are some people in wealth in these place where people are hungry and with disease yet they chose not to help their own kind, yet the UK are.

UK are a joke really, hence why all the immigrants cant wait to come to Britain for a nice free hand out.

I would also love to see a full stop ban on immigrants coming to the country, also ones which are here illegal are removed asap, and the ones claiming benefits force to work or removed from the country.


Edited By: A-n-d-y on Oct 20, 2010 08:31: .
#11
lufc246
barky
Surely whether you agree with it or not,we are honouring a long term commitment agreed at the g8 conference.The g8 and the UN are all pretty pointless if people sign agreements and then back out of them.
I agree it is pretty pointless if the government sign agreements and the back out. Just ask the 500,000 + public sector workers that will lose their jobs, homes, families etc etc, closely followed by private sector workers. We as public sector workers had agreements until the government decided alter them and then rip them up.

I totally agree with you-they seem to be picking and choosing-5 billion to build 2 pointless aircraft carriers(that wont even have planes on them) because they have to "honour" contracts,and yet tear up everyones pension agreements?and the money being spent every day(millions) in afghanistan is completely pointless too-as soon as we leave(no matter when that is) the country will descend into chaos so why not leave now? saves money,saves lives.
#12
Don't the government spend billions on UK mainland aid = BENEFITS. Most of which are illegally claimed.
At least you know that the overseas aid is giong to a good cause.
#13
To Andy ...correction Not All . I am an immigrant , I don't ask any money from Britain , I'm not taking any jobs from anyone and I pay taxes. Hope you can revise your statement .
1 Like #14
A-n-d-y
I like to know where all this money goes anyway as nothing ever changes and nothing ever will, i feel it pointless as money just gets corrupted away and not to people who really need it.There are some people in wealth in these place where people are hungry and with disease yet they chose not to help their own kind, yet the UK are.UK are a joke really, hence why all the immigrants cant wait to come to Britain for a nice free hand out.I would also love to see a full stop ban on immigrants coming to the country, also ones which are here illegal are removed asap, and the ones claiming benefits force to work or removed from the country.

you cant have a BLANKET ban on immigrants m8-while I see where you are coming from there are many different circumstances. My oldest son married an american girl-he met her while he was doing 2 years of his engineering course at virginia tech-they live in aberdeen now-she has a job,pays her own way,claims NO benefit of any sort-she and those like her have a right to be here imho.Those who come solely to claim benefit are a different story surely?
#15
sufchenko
Don't the government spend billions on UK mainland aid = BENEFITS. Most of which are illegally claimed.At least you know that the overseas aid is giong to a good cause.

How do you know its illegal claimed? probably illegally claimed by all the immigrants just arriving in the UK, also if you think the money going overseas goes to all good causes they you a bit naive.
#16
I think secretly the government are loving this. They have waited years for this opportunity to break the unions and the public sector. They are taking full advantage right now whether its required or not. I am sure you will see plenty of smiles and grins from those smug politicians this afternoon.
1 Like #17
A-n-d-y


I would also love to see a full stop ban on immigrants coming to the country, also ones which are here illegal are removed asap, and the ones claiming benefits force to work or removed form the country.


Britain is a nation of immigrants unless you can trace your heritage back to the Picts or the ancient Britons. Your ancestors were immigrants, so were mine and so were 90% of everyone in the country. The English, the Vikings the Celts and the Scots were first followed in recent times by Irish, Jewish, West Indian and other Commonwealth nationals (who all have a right to be here).

So when you say all immigrants should be banned you really just want the power to draw a line where you choose now that you're safe.

Hmmm.
banned#18
earlcebu
To Andy ...correction Not All . I am an immigrant , I don't ask any money from Britain , I'm not taking any jobs from anyone and I pay taxes. Hope you can revise your statement .

Are you doing a job/jobs no one else wanted?
#19
Yes Guv :)
#20
barky
A-n-d-y
I like to know where all this money goes anyway as nothing ever changes and nothing ever will, i feel it pointless as money just gets corrupted away and not to people who really need it.There are some people in wealth in these place where people are hungry and with disease yet they chose not to help their own kind, yet the UK are.UK are a joke really, hence why all the immigrants cant wait to come to Britain for a nice free hand out.I would also love to see a full stop ban on immigrants coming to the country, also ones which are here illegal are removed asap, and the ones claiming benefits force to work or removed from the country.
you cant have a BLANKET ban on immigrants m8-while I see where you are coming from there are many different circumstances. My oldest son married an american girl-he met her while he was doing 2 years of his engineering course at virginia tech-they live in aberdeen now-she has a job,pays her own way,claims NO benefit of any sort-she and those like her have a right to be here imho.Those who come solely to claim benefit are a different story surely?

But ton on them are not like you're sons partner i welcome people like her, but alot lie to come into the country or get in illegally, would like at least like to see the system toughen up a bit and people what are here illegally actually removed instead of being bailed then never to be seen again.

You know how many come into the country pretending to be under age when its clear they are not, i mean come on stop pussing footing around and just be a bit tougher.


But it seems you cant say anything these days without being classed as raciest etc
#21
lufc246
I think secretly the government are loving this. They have waited years for this opportunity to break the unions and the public sector. They are taking full advantage right now whether its required or not. I am sure you will see plenty of smiles and grins from those smug politicians this afternoon.

No secret that cameron hates unions. In the interest of fairness,it should be mentioned that history shows there are faults on both sides. Unions started out as a necessicity because workers were treated so badly. Then they became TOO powerful,thanks to people like scargill and mcgahey and they were calling strikes which crippled the country with no regard to reality-they wanted a ten percent payrise? go on strike! doesnt matter whether the economics dictate its affordable,just give us it or we strike.

Closed shops were introduced whereby you couldnt actually work in certain industries unless you joined a union,which in a democracy is just plain WRONG. They shot themselves in the foot and were as responsible as thatcher was for their own demise. It went full circle from employers abusing workers to unions abusing their power.
[mod] 1 Like #22
Be nice to trace where it actually went to see how much of it actually made it to frontline aid. This year the oversease aid package we are paying is £8.8 Billion.....add that to all the other G8 nations and it's hard to see why it's not having much effect.

As for immigrants.......the entire human race is traced right back to Africa. Don't think we all want to move there. lol
banned 1 Like #23
cannyscot
People dying of starvation and disease a valid enough reason?


No thats not a valid reason in any way. Sort ourselves out, then help where we can. I'd love to give a bit more to charity, but I have bills to pay in order to survive.

This is the same, only on a bigger scale.

I assume you were trying to be clever, but in my opinion you are completely wrong on many levels.
#24
earlcebu
To Andy ...correction Not All . I am an immigrant , I don't ask any money from Britain , I'm not taking any jobs from anyone and I pay taxes. Hope you can revise your statement .

I didn't say all , i said the ones claiming benefits and the ones here illegally.

The country is full up is the reason why i said a full stop now, we cant cope with more and more draining all our resources.
banned#25
barky
lufc246
barky
Surely whether you agree with it or not,we are honouring a long term commitment agreed at the g8 conference.The g8 and the UN are all pretty pointless if people sign agreements and then back out of them.
I agree it is pretty pointless if the government sign agreements and the back out. Just ask the 500,000 + public sector workers that will lose their jobs, homes, families etc etc, closely followed by private sector workers. We as public sector workers had agreements until the government decided alter them and then rip them up.


I totally agree with you-they seem to be picking and choosing-5 billion to build 2 pointless aircraft carriers(that wont even have planes on them) because they have to "honour" contracts,and yet tear up everyones pension agreements?and the money being spent every day(millions) in afghanistan is completely pointless too-as soon as we leave(no matter when that is) the country will descend into chaos so why not leave now? saves money,saves lives.


They are continuing with the 2 "pointless" aircraft carriers because it would cost more to cancel the contract than build them. Blame Labour to totally screwing up this country.

Seriously, before posting, at least make an attempt to research the topic you are talking about.
#26
vibeone



I assume you were trying to be clever,.


No, just principled.
[mod]#27
Another thing to note is this is only just over 1% of our annual spending.
banned 1 Like #28
earlcebu
Yes Guv :)

I'm pretty sure with unemployment figures as high as they are, there would be a British National grateful of that job. That in itself isn't the reason for asking, just your comment that you "haven't taken anyone's job". Good luck though.... no hate intended. :)
banned#29
Please respect everyones opinions and refrain from any personal attacks and trolling please.

Why doesn't the op do this in other threads? oO
banned 1 Like #30
. Blame Labour to totally screwing up this country.

Don't believe the hype...labour inherited huge unemployment from the conservatives, labour had to pay out rent to private landlords because the conservatives sold of 500,000 council houses, labour has had to subsidize the railways because it was sold off and broken up in a non manageable way. The conservatives sold off and endless list of British industries and left nothing in the treasury to show for it.

Most of you labour haters are going to get absolutely screwed by this government....well done




Edited By: slamdunkin on Oct 20, 2010 09:05: .
banned 1 Like #31
cannyscot
vibeone



I assume you were trying to be clever,.


No, just principled.


Then you failed. (on both counts)
#32
For this to work, Cameron needs to crush the unions and finish off what Thatcher started.

Good times ahead for the savvier peeps.
1 Like #33
vibeone1 person likes thisA-n-d-y
cannyscot
vibeone



I assume you were trying to be clever,.


No, just principled.


Then you failed. (on both counts)


I'll try to live with your opprobrium
#34
Nigel Lawson just been on saying that overseas aid is a bad thing,as it stifles economic development in developing coutries.

In lamens terms this means that while people are still giving them money they will just sit on their ****'s and take it rather than getting their house in order.

It also should be noted that virtually all of the aid money goes to the governments of so called "needy" countries so there is no guarantee that any of it actually gets to the people who
it is intended to help
#35
boothy
Nigel Lawson just been on saying that overseas aid is a bad thing,as it stifles economic development in developing coutries.

In lamens terms this means that while people are still giving them money they will just sit on their ****'s and take it rather than getting their house in order.

It also should be noted that virtually all of the aid money goes to the governments of so called "needy" countries so there is no guarantee that any of it actually gets to the people who
it is intended to help


Currently all of my tax money goes to this government with no guarantee that any of it actually gets to the people who need it.
banned#36
A-n-d-y
I agree should be totally abolished , but no doubt the left wing brigade will have something to say about that.

Country is already messed up by so called do gooders about time this country grew some balls


Actually the 'right-wing brigade' would point out that overseas aid greases the cogs of capitalism and more than pays for itself.

But that's only good if you're into British companies making money.
banned#37
barky
Surely whether you agree with it or not,we are honouring a long term commitment agreed at the g8 conference.The g8 and the UN are all pretty pointless if people sign agreements and then back out of them.

but arent we the ONLY country that is on target to honour the commitments made whilst others are backing down due to 'higher local fiscal constraints'?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/britain-tops-g8-nations-in-overseas-aid-says-report-2006630.html
banned#38
vibeone
I do alright for myself - and I think ringfencing overseas aid is completely wrong too.


So how do we bribe foreign governments in future? Do we put kisses and hugs in brown envelopes and hope it has the same effect?

Edited By: sigma on Oct 20, 2010 09:54: * removed deleted quote
#39
vibeone
I do alright for myself - and I think ringfencing overseas aid is completely wrong too.


I dont do too bad either.....however its easier for him to have a go at someone on the internet he has never met rather than put his point of view across.


Edited By: sigma on Oct 20, 2010 09:54: * removed deleted quote
banned#40
A-n-d-y

I would also love to see a full stop ban on immigrants coming to the country



So if Chelsea signed Kaka then you'd stop him? Or if Warren Buffett wanted to take up residency in the UK and pay tax whilst starting a new business, you'd stop him?

That just seems a little silly.

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