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I'd pay the fine for the girl and I bet there's many that would do the same

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Judge is criticised for offering to pay the victim surcharge (fine) Yes morally it's wrong of him whilst in court - he should of waited until he was out of court but what an honorable man. He kn… Read More
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1m, 2w agoPosted 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Judge is criticised for offering to pay the victim surcharge (fine)

Yes morally it's wrong of him whilst in court - he should of waited until he was out of court but what an honorable man.

He knew the girl had suffered
He knew the injustice in the sentence given to a known paedophile
But he wasn't party to the case of the paedophile and his only options were to sentence the girl and give a victim surcharge (fine) and he knew it was inappropriate so he offered to pay the fine.

Yes it's wrong for any person to seek their own justice but IMHO this innocent child at the age of 8 was sexually assaulted by a paedophile and his punishment just a community order and allowed to return to his home - no wonder the girl got the guts to seek revenge.

Linkys in first post
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/14435243.UPDATE__Paedophile_stabbed_in_the_heart_by_his_child_victim_can_now_be_named/#
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39539930
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39539930
Judge disciplined for offering to pay teenage girl's fine

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/14435243.UPDATE__Paedophile_stabbed_in_the_heart_by_his_child_victim_can_now_be_named/#
Judge lifts order to allow naming of paedophile stabbed in the heart by child sex abuse victim

Edited By: philphil61 on Apr 08, 2017 17:11
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Correction to info - the girl was 8 was she was sexually assaulted
10 Likes #3
Poor kid..and good for the judge. Makes you question the reasons and morals of those who criticize the judge.
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It's a shame that the monster was saved by our emergency services. A complete waste of life and should lose all human rights under the crime committed.

Also a shame that the monster was able to have children and for them to witness this event. All because our justice system is rubbish.
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I'm bewildered as to why this man had his 2 young children with him at the time f the attack. Why on earth would you allow a convicted paedophile to take care of 2 children, regardless of whether he was their dad?
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dirty piece of scum should be hung seeing as he didn't die in the justice that was sought and fair play to any poor innocent young un who has been abused by inbred filth
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So the abused gets a tougher sentence than the abuser. That can't be right
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psychobitchfromhell
So the abused gets a tougher sentence than the abuser. That can't be right
And it's the judge who's reaping the wrath of trying to do right

He had to sentence the girl
And he had to add a victims surcharge
Because that's the law
But it's not justice IMHO
And he knows it
I hope one day real justice will prevail and this girls suffering will end
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JohnnyRoller
It's a shame that the monster was saved by our emergency services. A complete waste of life and should lose all human rights under the crime committed.

Also a shame that the monster was able to have children and for them to witness this event. All because our justice system is rubbish.


Yes. Victims of almost all crime have to go through the ordeal and shame of reporting the crime, being told they'll get justice , waiting for ages, and after all the that the perp gets a laughable sentence.
If the justice system actually handed out real justice then I doubt this girl would have done what she done.
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philphil61
psychobitchfromhell
So the abused gets a tougher sentence than the abuser. That can't be right
And it's the judge who's reaping the wrath of trying to do right
He had to sentence the girl
And he had to add a victims surcharge
Because that's the law
But it's not justice IMHO
And he knows it
I hope one day real justice will prevail and this girls suffering will end
The judge needs to be seen as impartial but you can see his point when justice has not been served. Poor lass. That's one crowd funding appeal I would contribute to if they tried to fine her
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The British legal system fails victims day after day after day......................... Tomorrow someone else will be let down and people still have faith in the British legal system?
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The problem is the thing they call human rights. I'd suggest anyone who commits a serious crime especially one that deprives others of their human rights should forfeit any claim to human rights. You act inhumane you get the same treatment!

Edited By: Dawsy on Apr 08, 2017 22:51: edit
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Dawsy
The problem is the thing they call human rights. I'd suggest anyone who commits a serious crime especially one that deprives others of their human rights should forfeit any claim to human rights. You act inhumane you get the same treatment!
Don't be daft. How else are the blood sucking leaches, sorry lawyers, gonna make their millions defending the undefensible?
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psychobitchfromhell
philphil61
psychobitchfromhell
So the abused gets a tougher sentence than the abuser. That can't be right
And it's the judge who's reaping the wrath of trying to do right
He had to sentence the girl
And he had to add a victims surcharge
Because that's the law
But it's not justice IMHO
And he knows it
I hope one day real justice will prevail and this girls suffering will end
The judge needs to be seen as impartial but you can see his point when justice has not been served. Poor lass. That's one crowd funding appeal I would contribute to if they tried to fine her

Agreed. The judge has to be impartial, no matter how heartbreaking the case.

But I can't condemn the girl for trying to regain some semblance of control from the monster that stole it from her.
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The real question here should be is how the hell did this monster "zadhullah boota" get just community service and then how is a registered sex offender also allowed to see/live with children. (His own or anyone else's)
Does that mean he gets to go to school and sit and watch his kids in the school play? That's just shocking. You would expect social services would stop anyone who is a known pedo from having any contact with children even his own?? I'd hope that schools were checking these things also..

All I can say is If I were the girl I'd have aimed a little lower than his stomach!!

Edited By: Dawsy on Apr 09, 2017 11:49: edit
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3guesses
psychobitchfromhell
philphil61
psychobitchfromhell
So the abused gets a tougher sentence than the abuser. That can't be right
And it's the judge who's reaping the wrath of trying to do right
He had to sentence the girl
And he had to add a victims surcharge
Because that's the law
But it's not justice IMHO
And he knows it
I hope one day real justice will prevail and this girls suffering will end
The judge needs to be seen as impartial but you can see his point when justice has not been served. Poor lass. That's one crowd funding appeal I would contribute to if they tried to fine her
Agreed. The judge has to be impartial, no matter how heartbreaking the case.
But I can't condemn the girl for trying to regain some semblance of control from the monster that stole it from her.
Says a lot about how this country has become appeasing mindsets of other cultural acceptances when judges are put in this position ... It doesn't bode well for the future of this country :(


Edited By: livinthedream on Apr 09, 2017 18:52: a
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Nobody in their right mind could not have sympathy for the girl, she has obviously had a terrible time of it. But the law is that you can't go around stabbing people, no matter who they are, what they have done, or how the justice system has failed to punish them enough. And justice must be seen to be blind. If it fails at that then terrible consequences ensue for law and order. The judge allowed emotion in, overstepped the boundaries of his role, and has been reprimanded. Ignoring the failure of the justice system to effectively punish the victim for his earlier crimes against the defendant, surely that is how things should have turned out? That said, victim surcharges are a clunky and rather silly idea, but it wasn't the time, and certainly not the correct place, for the judge to make comment about them.
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VDisillusioned
Nobody in their right mind could not have sympathy for the girl, she has obviously had a terrible time of it. But the law is that you can't go around stabbing people, no matter who they are, what they have done, or how the justice system has failed to punish them enough. And justice must be seen to be blind. If it fails at that then terrible consequences ensue for law and order. The judge allowed emotion in, overstepped the boundaries of his role, and has been reprimanded. Ignoring the failure of the justice system to effectively punish the victim for his earlier crimes against the defendant, surely that is how things should have turned out? That said, victim surcharges are a clunky and rather silly idea, but it wasn't the time, and certainly not the correct place, for the judge to make comment about them.
In self defense and/or when your life is at risk or when protecting your family / property you may use whatever force is necessary so long as it is the minimum force necessary - so yes you can stab someone theoretically

A I said in my thread title "he should of waited until he was out of court"

Enough said
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VDisillusioned
Nobody in their right mind could not have sympathy for the girl, she has obviously had a terrible time of it. But the law is that you can't go around stabbing people, no matter who they are, what they have done, or how the justice system has failed to punish them enough. And justice must be seen to be blind. If it fails at that then terrible consequences ensue for law and order. The judge allowed emotion in, overstepped the boundaries of his role, and has been reprimanded. Ignoring the failure of the justice system to effectively punish the victim for his earlier crimes against the defendant, surely that is how things should have turned out? That said, victim surcharges are a clunky and rather silly idea, but it wasn't the time, and certainly not the correct place, for the judge to make comment about them.

Very well said.
#20
VDisillusioned
Nobody in their right mind could not have sympathy for the girl, she has obviously had a terrible time of it. But the law is that you can't go around stabbing people, no matter who they are, what they have done, or how the justice system has failed to punish them enough. And justice must be seen to be blind. If it fails at that then terrible consequences ensue for law and order. The judge allowed emotion in, overstepped the boundaries of his role, and has been reprimanded. Ignoring the failure of the justice system to effectively punish the victim for his earlier crimes against the defendant, surely that is how things should have turned out? That said, victim surcharges are a clunky and rather silly idea, but it wasn't the time, and certainly not the correct place, for the judge to make comment about them.

I agree on 90% of that, however, the law isn't/cannot be/should not be black and white, the issue is that we here in Great Britain try and make it so, we don't like grey, unfortunately justice is grey, written word cannot and will never cover ever situation and when the system fails the majority we hide behind the fact that their is a system and we mustn't and cant argue with it.

I believe that Law, Order and Justice needs heart and soul, we need to allow for certain situations and we need to make the law more adaptable to not only help people like this poor girl but also to allow for proper punishments for those that need it.

The judge showed humanity, it is always the right time and the right place to be humane. If it becomes that humanity is saved for certain circumstances we have failed.

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