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Wow just wow. Who records something like this? wtf is this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQDJJEeJt4I Read More
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banned7m, 1w agoPosted 7 months, 1 week ago
Wow just wow. Who records something like this? wtf is this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQDJJEeJt4I
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banned7m, 1w agoPosted 7 months, 1 week ago
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damo220875
What does any of this have to do with hot uk deals??? Wrong site!

Aww, bless. Did you think this was the deals section?

Come on, let's take you back...

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Edited By: deeky on Oct 12, 2016 08:13
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philphil61
Quote "She went to heaven" I call that bull.... - she went and fully deserved to go to hell.
That poor kid he's had to suffer a broken, disrupted family because the parents just didn't care.
And there must be millions of parents in this world who, for whatever reason, would love to be his mother or father given the chance because they want to care.
And don't some of you sympathisers dare comment that drug addiction is an illness - it's not. Cancer is an illness, MS is an illness. Drug addiction is self inflicted - you have a choice whereas with cancer, MS and other illnesses there isn't a choice.

I haven't watched the video and don't wish to, but I take issue with the latter part of your comment.

COPD aka emphysema is almost always 'self-inflicted' (smoking). Does that make it any less of an illness worthy of treatment? No. This applies to lung cancer too, as well as many others linked with willingly ingested environmental carcinogens (red meat and bowel cancer, alcohol and oesophageal cancer, UV light and malignant melanoma).

Type 2 diabetes is almost always 'self-inflicted' (poor diet and obesity). Does that make it any less of an illness worthy of treatment? No.

Chronic lower back pain is almost always 'self-inflicted' (sedentary lifestyle, obesity and poor posture). Does that make it any less worthy of treatment? No.

I'd be very surprised if you don't know someone with one of those incredibly common conditions. Should we deny your emphysematous uncle his inhalers, let him go around gasping for air and die of a pneumothorax because he could only see the pleasure in his cigarettes? Or deny your diabetic daughter her metformin and allow her to go blind, knacker her kidneys and die of ketoacidosis because she could only see the pleasure in her ice cream and cakes? Or what about your sciatic sister, should we deny her physiotherapy and pain relief and allow her to live life in agony so that she can't work, gets fat and depressed and kills herself?

Luckily most sensible and sensitive people would answer no to the above, including health professionals, otherwise millions of people would be suffering and dying unnecessarily. Luckily most people are more compassionate than you.

And for the record, addiction *is* an illness. I'm not sure what qualifies you to make such a claim, but I'm afraid you're wrong. Check sections F10-F19 of the ICD-10 if you don't believe me. Also, Google 'the nucleus accumbens' and begin your education.

I appreciate that it's a controversial topic, but demonising/criminalising substance misusers rarely helps/deters them or improves society. Understanding, support and treatment does.
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Quote "She went to heaven" I call that bull.... - she went and fully deserved to go to hell.

That poor kid he's had to suffer a broken, disrupted family because the parents just didn't care.

And there must be millions of parents in this world who, for whatever reason, would love to be his mother or father given the chance because they want to care.

And don't some of you sympathisers dare comment that drug addiction is an illness - it's not. Cancer is an illness, MS is an illness. Drug addiction is self inflicted - you have a choice whereas with cancer, MS and other illnesses there isn't a choice.
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It's disgusting. A private moment such as this shouldn't be recorded and shared to the world.
What did they want to record it for? Wouldn't be a subject I'd want to look back on. Breaking my boys heart and rewatching it for what? kicks?
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damo220875
What does any of this have to do with hot uk deals??? Wrong site!
Its a preview of an up and coming deal on syringes. Sale starts soon.

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6 Likes #1
It's disgusting. A private moment such as this shouldn't be recorded and shared to the world.
What did they want to record it for? Wouldn't be a subject I'd want to look back on. Breaking my boys heart and rewatching it for what? kicks?
9 Likes #2
Quote "She went to heaven" I call that bull.... - she went and fully deserved to go to hell.

That poor kid he's had to suffer a broken, disrupted family because the parents just didn't care.

And there must be millions of parents in this world who, for whatever reason, would love to be his mother or father given the chance because they want to care.

And don't some of you sympathisers dare comment that drug addiction is an illness - it's not. Cancer is an illness, MS is an illness. Drug addiction is self inflicted - you have a choice whereas with cancer, MS and other illnesses there isn't a choice.
#3
I do worry do you go looking for these subjects or just happen by them by chance
4 Likes #4
philphil61
Quote "She went to heaven" I call that bull.... - she went and fully deserved to go to hell.
That poor kid he's had to suffer a broken, disrupted family because the parents just didn't care.
And there must be millions of parents in this world who, for whatever reason, would love to be his mother or father given the chance because they want to care.
And don't some of you sympathisers dare comment that drug addiction is an illness - it's not. Cancer is an illness, MS is an illness. Drug addiction is self inflicted - you have a choice whereas with cancer, MS and other illnesses there isn't a choice.
Well said Phil
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kos1c
It's disgusting. A private moment such as this shouldn't be recorded and shared to the world.
What did they want to record it for? Wouldn't be a subject I'd want to look back on. Breaking my boys heart and rewatching it for what? kicks?

That's an uncaring parent for you

or that's a millennial person for you

Some people forget the true meaning of care/caring
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stuarthanley
philphil61
Quote "She went to heaven" I call that bull.... - she went and fully deserved to go to hell.
That poor kid he's had to suffer a broken, disrupted family because the parents just didn't care.
And there must be millions of parents in this world who, for whatever reason, would love to be his mother or father given the chance because they want to care.
And don't some of you sympathisers dare comment that drug addiction is an illness - it's not. Cancer is an illness, MS is an illness. Drug addiction is self inflicted - you have a choice whereas with cancer, MS and other illnesses there isn't a choice.
Well said Phil
I'm guessing the next action by the family/father

1 GoFundMe page to raise money for funeral
2 Father/bf spends donations on crack & heroin and ends up same state as mother/gf
3 Another video
4 Yet another GoFundMe page explaining the whole tragic story.

I have tears in my eyes for that young man - he's suffered enough already and he needs and deserves someone that cares.

Edited By: philphil61 on Oct 11, 2016 22:00
banned 1 Like #7
archer1204
I do worry do you go looking for these subjects or just happen by them by chance

There was an article about it somewhere earlier on, but I had to youtube it because I couldn't remember where I read it.

Ok hun?
4 Likes #8
I can't watch that, How can you justify filming such a sad personal moment?, Poor child, lets hope he doesn't resort to drugs like his parents, sadly these sort of things tend to recycle themselves :(.
#9
I thought this was HUKD???
banned 1 Like #10
beesley246
I thought this was HUKD???

It is.
4 Likes #11
philphil61
Quote "She went to heaven" I call that bull.... - she went and fully deserved to go to hell.
That poor kid he's had to suffer a broken, disrupted family because the parents just didn't care.
And there must be millions of parents in this world who, for whatever reason, would love to be his mother or father given the chance because they want to care.
And don't some of you sympathisers dare comment that drug addiction is an illness - it's not. Cancer is an illness, MS is an illness. Drug addiction is self inflicted - you have a choice whereas with cancer, MS and other illnesses there isn't a choice.

Unless you know that woman's story, or the story of everyone suffering from the illness that is addiction, I think maybe you should be slightly less judgmental. To say the parents don't care is callous and uncalled for.

As for the video, it has few views so how OP happened upon it I don't know. Horrendously sad all round though.
banned#12
philphil61
Quote "She went to heaven" I call that bull.... - she went and fully deserved to go to hell.

Nice. Possibly the most humanitarian comment of the year. Watch out for the Nobel people knocking at your door. They are like those scary clowns kids!
#13
YouDontWantToKnow
philphil61
Quote "She went to heaven" I call that bull.... - she went and fully deserved to go to hell.
Nice. Possibly the most humanitarian comment of the year. Watch out for the Nobel people knocking at your door. They are like those scary clowns kids!

I actually missed that line somehow. For him to say something like that about someone he doesn't know....wow.
4 Likes #14
Don't worry Phil. The self-righteous trolls have arrived.
banned 2 Likes #15
That's so sad. I couldn't watch it beyond his first tears. That kid needs to be away from his father and every other adult that he knows in that scene obviously including the camera man or woman.

I can't remember who on this forum has stated they have adopted kids, something I accept I couldn't do, but if ever there was a case for adoption, there it is.

I'm outraged and saddened.
1 Like #16
The USA is in the grip of an awful drugs problem with Heroin, opiates and a few others, a quick look through the BBC website will lead you to stories and videos on the issue.

This not down and out looser on the streets OD'ing. This is middle class families going to parks with kids, sitting in the cars, shooting up and sometimes OD'ing in the car.

ITs really at the point where people are doing anything to try and raise awareness of this problem.

Smack in suburbia:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0457122/smack-in-suburbia-americas-heroin-crisis

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/4db95175-eb7c-4096-a448-d2aa81ee1f3c
#17
stuarthanley
Don't worry Phil. The self-righteous trolls have arrived.

You're defending a man who said a mother deserved to go to hell. You really want to have Phil's back? Think carefully.
1 Like #18
stuarthanley
Don't worry Phil. The self-righteous trolls have arrived.

It's Ok I'm lucky as those 2 were added to my Ignore list months ago so I don't get to see their ridiculous comments any more ;)
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philphil61
Quote "She went to heaven" I call that bull.... - she went and fully deserved to go to hell.
That poor kid he's had to suffer a broken, disrupted family because the parents just didn't care.
And there must be millions of parents in this world who, for whatever reason, would love to be his mother or father given the chance because they want to care.
And don't some of you sympathisers dare comment that drug addiction is an illness - it's not. Cancer is an illness, MS is an illness. Drug addiction is self inflicted - you have a choice whereas with cancer, MS and other illnesses there isn't a choice.
Unless you know that woman's story, or the story of everyone suffering from the illness that is addiction, I think maybe you should be slightly less judgmental. To say the parents don't care is callous and uncalled for.
As for the video, it has few views so how OP happened upon it I don't know. Horrendously sad all round though.

If the parents cared anything about anyone they wouldn't have took heroin to begin with.
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philphil61
Quote "She went to heaven" I call that bull.... - she went and fully deserved to go to hell.
That poor kid he's had to suffer a broken, disrupted family because the parents just didn't care.
And there must be millions of parents in this world who, for whatever reason, would love to be his mother or father given the chance because they want to care.
And don't some of you sympathisers dare comment that drug addiction is an illness - it's not. Cancer is an illness, MS is an illness. Drug addiction is self inflicted - you have a choice whereas with cancer, MS and other illnesses there isn't a choice.
Unless you know that woman's story, or the story of everyone suffering from the illness that is addiction, I think maybe you should be slightly less judgmental. To say the parents don't care is callous and uncalled for.
As for the video, it has few views so how OP happened upon it I don't know. Horrendously sad all round though.

I just typed in dad tells kid mum died and filtered it down to ''today''.

Posted 4 hours ago http://www.ebaumsworld.com/videos/sad-moment-a-father-had-to-tell-his-son-his-mom-died-from-heroin-overdose/85162849/

Not the article I read earlier, but just so you know it is doing the rounds... not that I need to prove anything.
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shauneco
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philphil61
Quote "She went to heaven" I call that bull.... - she went and fully deserved to go to hell.
That poor kid he's had to suffer a broken, disrupted family because the parents just didn't care.
And there must be millions of parents in this world who, for whatever reason, would love to be his mother or father given the chance because they want to care.
And don't some of you sympathisers dare comment that drug addiction is an illness - it's not. Cancer is an illness, MS is an illness. Drug addiction is self inflicted - you have a choice whereas with cancer, MS and other illnesses there isn't a choice.
Unless you know that woman's story, or the story of everyone suffering from the illness that is addiction, I think maybe you should be slightly less judgmental. To say the parents don't care is callous and uncalled for.
As for the video, it has few views so how OP happened upon it I don't know. Horrendously sad all round though.
If the parents cared anything about anyone they wouldn't have took heroin to begin with.

Who knows when their addiction began. It's an awful illness and the father is wrong for doing this whatever his motivations but I don't know the whole story and nor does the person saying she deserves to go to hell.

What type of person says that?
banned#22
stuarthanley
Don't worry Phil. The self-righteous trolls have arrived.

As opposed to those trolls that have had a go at the father & also a dead mother?

Welcome to the society bitching about it all. Lovely environment for the innocent kid :)
#23
YouDontWantToKnow
stuarthanley
Don't worry Phil. The self-righteous trolls have arrived.
As opposed to those trolls that have had a go at the father & also a dead mother?
Welcome to the society bitching about it all. Lovely environment for the innocent kid :)

Phiphil saying this type of stuff about a parent seems awfully....wrong.
1 Like #24
YouDontWantToKnow
stuarthanley
Don't worry Phil. The self-righteous trolls have arrived.
As opposed to those trolls that have had a go at the father & also a dead mother?
Welcome to the society bitching about it all. Lovely environment for the innocent kid :)
I'm glad you realised you were one of trolls I spoke about.
1 Like #25
philphil61
And don't some of you sympathisers dare comment that drug addiction is an illness - it's not. Cancer is an illness, MS is an illness. Drug addiction is self inflicted - you have a choice whereas with cancer, MS and other illnesses there isn't a choice.
All illnesses and injuries and abusive situations are self inflicted so there is no difference if you look at the root cause.
But to grasp that you'd need to understand the nature of reality which is way beyond most of the sleep-walkers on these forums.
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philphil61
Quote "She went to heaven" I call that bull.... - she went and fully deserved to go to hell.

That poor kid he's had to suffer a broken, disrupted family because the parents just didn't care.

And there must be millions of parents in this world who, for whatever reason, would love to be his mother or father given the chance because they want to care.

And don't some of you sympathisers dare comment that drug addiction is an illness - it's not. Cancer is an illness, MS is an illness. Drug addiction is self inflicted - you have a choice whereas with cancer, MS and other illnesses there isn't a choice.


would you say that to the kid?
and i dare comment, addiction is an illness, no matter what it is. It's tremendously unfortunate the mother found her addiction in drugs. but the mother, is also someone's daughter, maybe sister and auntie too. they will all feel her loss. she does not deserve to go to hell.
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philphil61
Quote "She went to heaven" I call that bull.... - she went and fully deserved to go to hell.
That poor kid he's had to suffer a broken, disrupted family because the parents just didn't care.
And there must be millions of parents in this world who, for whatever reason, would love to be his mother or father given the chance because they want to care.
And don't some of you sympathisers dare comment that drug addiction is an illness - it's not. Cancer is an illness, MS is an illness. Drug addiction is self inflicted - you have a choice whereas with cancer, MS and other illnesses there isn't a choice.

I haven't watched the video and don't wish to, but I take issue with the latter part of your comment.

COPD aka emphysema is almost always 'self-inflicted' (smoking). Does that make it any less of an illness worthy of treatment? No. This applies to lung cancer too, as well as many others linked with willingly ingested environmental carcinogens (red meat and bowel cancer, alcohol and oesophageal cancer, UV light and malignant melanoma).

Type 2 diabetes is almost always 'self-inflicted' (poor diet and obesity). Does that make it any less of an illness worthy of treatment? No.

Chronic lower back pain is almost always 'self-inflicted' (sedentary lifestyle, obesity and poor posture). Does that make it any less worthy of treatment? No.

I'd be very surprised if you don't know someone with one of those incredibly common conditions. Should we deny your emphysematous uncle his inhalers, let him go around gasping for air and die of a pneumothorax because he could only see the pleasure in his cigarettes? Or deny your diabetic daughter her metformin and allow her to go blind, knacker her kidneys and die of ketoacidosis because she could only see the pleasure in her ice cream and cakes? Or what about your sciatic sister, should we deny her physiotherapy and pain relief and allow her to live life in agony so that she can't work, gets fat and depressed and kills herself?

Luckily most sensible and sensitive people would answer no to the above, including health professionals, otherwise millions of people would be suffering and dying unnecessarily. Luckily most people are more compassionate than you.

And for the record, addiction *is* an illness. I'm not sure what qualifies you to make such a claim, but I'm afraid you're wrong. Check sections F10-F19 of the ICD-10 if you don't believe me. Also, Google 'the nucleus accumbens' and begin your education.

I appreciate that it's a controversial topic, but demonising/criminalising substance misusers rarely helps/deters them or improves society. Understanding, support and treatment does.
banned#28
stuarthanley
I'm glad you realised you were one of trolls I spoke about.

I am not a troll mate. Neither am I a racist or homophobic. Unlike some
#29
This discussion seems to be divided between those who think a decease mother they know nothing about save her illness deserves to go to hell, and those who don't.

HUKD in 2016.
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shauneco
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philphil61
Quote "She went to heaven" I call that bull.... - she went and fully deserved to go to hell.
That poor kid he's had to suffer a broken, disrupted family because the parents just didn't care.
And there must be millions of parents in this world who, for whatever reason, would love to be his mother or father given the chance because they want to care.
And don't some of you sympathisers dare comment that drug addiction is an illness - it's not. Cancer is an illness, MS is an illness. Drug addiction is self inflicted - you have a choice whereas with cancer, MS and other illnesses there isn't a choice.
Unless you know that woman's story, or the story of everyone suffering from the illness that is addiction, I think maybe you should be slightly less judgmental. To say the parents don't care is callous and uncalled for.
As for the video, it has few views so how OP happened upon it I don't know. Horrendously sad all round though.
If the parents cared anything about anyone they wouldn't have took heroin to begin with.
Who knows when their addiction began. It's an awful illness and the father is wrong for doing this whatever his motivations but I don't know the whole story and nor does the person saying she deserves to go to hell.
What type of person says that?

That child might as well be in hell, His whole world has collapsed because they've been so selfish. I can totally understand drug addiction as an ex smoker, In my teens I even smoked a bit of pot but you stayed away from heroin because you knew it'd kill you eventually and you wouldn't want to be anything like the other local smack heads that go around mugging old laddies so they can get their fix.
#31
I think the hell comment is a little harsh but then in the context of figures of speech and unbelievable nature of the selfish parents it's a fair comment imo. Your actions speak a thousand works and that poor child has lost more than just a parent. A parent to a child should be like a super hero, not a junkie.
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cannibalwombat
philphil61
Quote "She went to heaven" I call that bull.... - she went and fully deserved to go to hell.
That poor kid he's had to suffer a broken, disrupted family because the parents just didn't care.
And there must be millions of parents in this world who, for whatever reason, would love to be his mother or father given the chance because they want to care.
And don't some of you sympathisers dare comment that drug addiction is an illness - it's not. Cancer is an illness, MS is an illness. Drug addiction is self inflicted - you have a choice whereas with cancer, MS and other illnesses there isn't a choice.
I haven't watched the video and don't wish to, but I take issue with the latter part of your comment.
COPD aka emphysema is almost always 'self-inflicted' (smoking). Does that make it any less of an illness worthy of treatment? No. This applies to lung cancer too, as well as many others linked with willingly ingested environmental carcinogens (red meat and bowel cancer, alcohol and oesophageal cancer, UV light and malignant melanoma).
Type 2 diabetes is almost always 'self-inflicted' (poor diet and obesity). Does that make it any less of an illness worthy of treatment? No.
Chronic lower back pain is almost always 'self-inflicted' (sedentary lifestyle, obesity and poor posture). Does that make it any less worthy of treatment? No.
I'd be very surprised if you don't know someone with one of those incredibly common conditions. Should we deny your emphysematous uncle his inhalers, let him go around gasping for air and die of a pneumothorax because he could only see the pleasure in his cigarettes? Or deny your diabetic daughter her metformin and allow her to go blind, knacker her kidneys and die of ketoacidosis because she could only see the pleasure in her ice cream and cakes? Or what about your sciatic sister, should we deny her physiotherapy and pain relief and allow her to live life in agony so that she can't work, gets fat and depressed and kills herself?
Luckily most sensible and sensitive people would answer no to the above, including health professionals, otherwise millions of people would be suffering and dying unnecessarily. Luckily most people are more compassionate than you.
And for the record, addiction *is* an illness. I'm not sure what qualifies you to make such a claim, but I'm afraid you're wrong. Check sections F10-F19 of the ICD-10 if you don't believe me. Also, Google 'the nucleus accumbens' and begin your education.
I appreciate that it's a controversial topic, but demonising/criminalising substance misusers rarely helps/deters them or improves society. Understanding, support and treatment does.
Rodrigo Duterte, President of the Philippines hasn't found a cure but has done more to curtail substance abuse in a few months that billions of dollars from the USA and other powers have failed to achieve in decades.

Yes innocent people may (note the word may and understand it's meaning) have lost their lives but how many innocent lives have been lost globally through substance abuse?

Regarding the rest of your comment and illnesses (excluding the drug addiction part) I will answer "If only you knew"

I'm ex military, ex postman, ex keen cyclist, always enjoyed DIY, gardening, travelling the world and being active. Yes my only vice is smoking but it's never affected me but now pfffft.

The same with my Mrs - active, caring, hard working the best person I've ever known and loved - always wanted children but couldn't have and then her body and life (as well as those who knew and loved her) destroyed by MS - again "If only you knew"
banned#33
cannibalwombat
philphil61
Quote "She went to heaven" I call that bull.... - she went and fully deserved to go to hell.
That poor kid he's had to suffer a broken, disrupted family because the parents just didn't care.
And there must be millions of parents in this world who, for whatever reason, would love to be his mother or father given the chance because they want to care.
And don't some of you sympathisers dare comment that drug addiction is an illness - it's not. Cancer is an illness, MS is an illness. Drug addiction is self inflicted - you have a choice whereas with cancer, MS and other illnesses there isn't a choice.
I haven't watched the video and don't wish to, but I take issue with the latter part of your comment.
COPD aka emphysema is almost always 'self-inflicted' (smoking). Does that make it any less of an illness worthy of treatment? No. This applies to lung cancer too, as well as many others linked with willingly ingested environmental carcinogens (red meat and bowel cancer, alcohol and oesophageal cancer, UV light and malignant melanoma).
Type 2 diabetes is almost always 'self-inflicted' (poor diet and obesity). Does that make it any less of an illness worthy of treatment? No.
Chronic lower back pain is almost always 'self-inflicted' (sedentary lifestyle, obesity and poor posture). Does that make it any less worthy of treatment? No.
I'd be very surprised if you don't know someone with one of those incredibly common conditions. Should we deny your emphysematous uncle his inhalers, let him go around gasping for air and die of a pneumothorax because he could only see the pleasure in his cigarettes? Or deny your diabetic daughter her metformin and allow her to go blind, knacker her kidneys and die of ketoacidosis because she could only see the pleasure in her ice cream and cakes? Or what about your sciatic sister, should we deny her physiotherapy and pain relief and allow her to live life in agony so that she can't work, gets fat and depressed and kills herself?
Luckily most sensible and sensitive people would answer no to the above, including health professionals, otherwise millions of people would be suffering and dying unnecessarily. Luckily most people are more compassionate than you.
And for the record, addiction *is* an illness. I'm not sure what qualifies you to make such a claim, but I'm afraid you're wrong. Check sections F10-F19 of the ICD-10 if you don't believe me. Also, Google 'the nucleus accumbens' and begin your education.
I appreciate that it's a controversial topic, but demonising/criminalising substance misusers rarely helps/deters them or improves society. Understanding, support and treatment does.

Do you think all heroin addicts recognise that they need help with their addiction?
Do you think all heroin addicts want help with their addiction and the consequences of it?
#34
I think certain peoples failure to recognise addiction as an illness is colouring their views on this woman whose story they don't have the first clue of.

Saying she deserves to go to hell though, that's such an inhuman thing to say. What type of person says that?
1 Like #35
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I think certain peoples failure to recognise addiction as an illness is colouring their views on this woman whose story they don't have the first clue of.
Saying she deserves to go to hell though, that's such an inhuman thing to say. What type of person says that?

What type of person takes their own life?

A selfish one.

I apologize for this comment, It's not selfish at all, I didn't think it through and was a bad example.

Edited By: shauneco on Oct 11, 2016 23:40: update.
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shauneco
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
I think certain peoples failure to recognise addiction as an illness is colouring their views on this woman whose story they don't have the first clue of.
Saying she deserves to go to hell though, that's such an inhuman thing to say. What type of person says that?
What type of person takes their own life?
A selfish one.

i think a lot of us might have thought that when we were younger.
banned 1 Like #37
shauneco

What type of person takes their own life?
A selfish one.

Yeah right.... Robin Williams was well selfish

I hope you never get a mental illness. I really do
banned#38
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i think a lot of us might have thought that when we were younger.

Yep. Up until about 12-15 years & then we grew out of it
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philphil61
cannibalwombat
philphil61
Quote "She went to heaven" I call that bull.... - she went and fully deserved to go to hell.
That poor kid he's had to suffer a broken, disrupted family because the parents just didn't care.
And there must be millions of parents in this world who, for whatever reason, would love to be his mother or father given the chance because they want to care.
And don't some of you sympathisers dare comment that drug addiction is an illness - it's not. Cancer is an illness, MS is an illness. Drug addiction is self inflicted - you have a choice whereas with cancer, MS and other illnesses there isn't a choice.
I haven't watched the video and don't wish to, but I take issue with the latter part of your comment.
COPD aka emphysema is almost always 'self-inflicted' (smoking). Does that make it any less of an illness worthy of treatment? No. This applies to lung cancer too, as well as many others linked with willingly ingested environmental carcinogens (red meat and bowel cancer, alcohol and oesophageal cancer, UV light and malignant melanoma).
Type 2 diabetes is almost always 'self-inflicted' (poor diet and obesity). Does that make it any less of an illness worthy of treatment? No.
Chronic lower back pain is almost always 'self-inflicted' (sedentary lifestyle, obesity and poor posture). Does that make it any less worthy of treatment? No.
I'd be very surprised if you don't know someone with one of those incredibly common conditions. Should we deny your emphysematous uncle his inhalers, let him go around gasping for air and die of a pneumothorax because he could only see the pleasure in his cigarettes? Or deny your diabetic daughter her metformin and allow her to go blind, knacker her kidneys and die of ketoacidosis because she could only see the pleasure in her ice cream and cakes? Or what about your sciatic sister, should we deny her physiotherapy and pain relief and allow her to live life in agony so that she can't work, gets fat and depressed and kills herself?
Luckily most sensible and sensitive people would answer no to the above, including health professionals, otherwise millions of people would be suffering and dying unnecessarily. Luckily most people are more compassionate than you.
And for the record, addiction *is* an illness. I'm not sure what qualifies you to make such a claim, but I'm afraid you're wrong. Check sections F10-F19 of the ICD-10 if you don't believe me. Also, Google 'the nucleus accumbens' and begin your education.
I appreciate that it's a controversial topic, but demonising/criminalising substance misusers rarely helps/deters them or improves society. Understanding, support and treatment does.
Rodrigo Duterte, President of the Philippines hasn't found a cure but has done more to curtail substance abuse in a few months that billions of dollars from the USA and other powers have failed to achieve in decades.
Yes innocent people may (note the word may and understand it's meaning) have lost their lives but how many innocent lives have been lost globally through substance abuse?
Regarding the rest of your comment and illnesses (excluding the drug addiction part) I will answer "If only you knew"
I'm ex military, ex postman, ex keen cyclist, always enjoyed DIY, gardening, travelling the world and being active. Yes my only vice is smoking but it's never affected me but now pfffft.
The same with my Mrs - active, caring, hard working the best person I've ever known and loved - always wanted children but couldn't have and then her body and life (as well as those who knew and loved her) destroyed by MS - again "If only you knew"



It is OK to sometimes respond with 'You make a good point' instead of defaulting to the "If only you knew" (holier than thou) mantra. Everyone with a rudimentary knowledge of Misc threads will know about your account of your wife's illness, your views on prison sentencing after your time served in the Philippines, your poor evaluation of millennials.... etc. Considered and balanced responses to well made points is a strength, blindly and repeatedly reverting to rocky moral high ground is a weakness. Just advice, phil' - ignoring it is your prerogative of course. At least have another read and maybe reassess ........



cannibalwombat
philphil61
Quote "She went to heaven" I call that bull.... - she went and fully deserved to go to hell.
That poor kid he's had to suffer a broken, disrupted family because the parents just didn't care.
And there must be millions of parents in this world who, for whatever reason, would love to be his mother or father given the chance because they want to care.
And don't some of you sympathisers dare comment that drug addiction is an illness - it's not. Cancer is an illness, MS is an illness. Drug addiction is self inflicted - you have a choice whereas with cancer, MS and other illnesses there isn't a choice.
I haven't watched the video and don't wish to, but I take issue with the latter part of your comment.
COPD aka emphysema is almost always 'self-inflicted' (smoking). Does that make it any less of an illness worthy of treatment? No. This applies to lung cancer too, as well as many others linked with willingly ingested environmental carcinogens (red meat and bowel cancer, alcohol and oesophageal cancer, UV light and malignant melanoma).
Type 2 diabetes is almost always 'self-inflicted' (poor diet and obesity). Does that make it any less of an illness worthy of treatment? No.
Chronic lower back pain is almost always 'self-inflicted' (sedentary lifestyle, obesity and poor posture). Does that make it any less worthy of treatment? No.
I'd be very surprised if you don't know someone with one of those incredibly common conditions. Should we deny your emphysematous uncle his inhalers, let him go around gasping for air and die of a pneumothorax because he could only see the pleasure in his cigarettes? Or deny your diabetic daughter her metformin and allow her to go blind, knacker her kidneys and die of ketoacidosis because she could only see the pleasure in her ice cream and cakes? Or what about your sciatic sister, should we deny her physiotherapy and pain relief and allow her to live life in agony so that she can't work, gets fat and depressed and kills herself?
Luckily most sensible and sensitive people would answer no to the above, including health professionals, otherwise millions of people would be suffering and dying unnecessarily. Luckily most people are more compassionate than you.
And for the record, addiction *is* an illness. I'm not sure what qualifies you to make such a claim, but I'm afraid you're wrong. Check sections F10-F19 of the ICD-10 if you don't believe me. Also, Google 'the nucleus accumbens' and begin your education.
I appreciate that it's a controversial topic, but demonising/criminalising substance misusers rarely helps/deters them or improves society. Understanding, support and treatment does.
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YouDontWantToKnow
shauneco

What type of person takes their own life?
A selfish one.
Yeah right.... Robin Williams was well selfish
I hope you never get a mental illness. I really do

Sorry their are some exceptions, Drug addiction isn't one of them.

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