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Damn car drivers ;( - Motorcyclist point of view

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banned6y, 9m agoPosted 6 years, 9 months ago
Did my CBT Saturday, went for a ride today...god damn don't you car drivers look for motorcyclists or something. Accustomed to it on a push bike but you are going so slow it doesn't really matter, but on a motorbike you reach the car just as they do their **** up. Cutting corners because you haven't seen a car coming the other way, not giving right of way when cars are parked on your side of the road, driving right up my **** even though I have L plates clearly displayed.

I also drive a car and will now be giving motorcyclists the room they need to feel comfortable.
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banned6y, 9m agoPosted 6 years, 9 months ago
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#1
just as a matter of interest how much is a cbt i'm still just on a 50cc scooter thinking of moving up
#2
we hate motorcycles
always weaving in and out and getting real close!:)
banned#3
kareandy
just as a matter of interest how much is a cbt i'm still just on a 50cc scooter thinking of moving up


It was £99 including the hire of the bike
#4
muffin247
we hate motorcycles
always weaving in and out and getting real close!:)


typical
#5
Motorcyclists are just annoying
#6
muffin247
we hate motorcycles
always weaving in and out and getting real close!:)


your probably one of those drivers who closes up gaps and moves to the centre white lines to stop motorcyclists filtering, just 'cus you can't beat the traffic jams
#7
think if u have been motorcyclist it makes u more aware as a car driver
#8
I have been riding bikes for 20+ years and I am also a car driver and to be frank most car drivers are idiots although quite a lot of motorcycle riders give us sensible riders a bad name. You just have to ride like the world is out to get you and you should be ok. Well done for the passing of your cbt you have started a wonderful adventure that in the future can take you to far flung parts of the world and the brotherhood of bike riders is a amazing thing to behold. :thumbsup:
#9
gog5y
think if u have been motorcyclist it makes u more aware as a car driver


Spot on :thumbsup:
banned#10
mikebike
Spot on :thumbsup:


Do you know if my exhaust is supposed to have 2 holes in the bottom of it, are they drainage holes? it just seems rather noisy.
#11
lumoruk
Do you know if my exhaust is supposed to have 2 holes in the bottom of it, are they drainage holes? it just seems rather noisy.


Is it a 4 stroke? then yes as you do get condensation forming and it does help drain that away.
#12
mikebike
I have been riding bikes for 20+ years and I am also a car driver and to be frank most car drivers are idiots although quite a lot of motorcycle riders give us sensible riders a bad name. You just have to ride like the world is out to get you and you should be ok. Well done for the passing of your cbt you have started a wonderful adventure that in the future can take you to far flung parts of the world and the brotherhood of bike riders is a amazing thing to behold. :thumbsup:


Ahem, I'm in the sisterhood... :whistling:
#13
I hate all cyclists be it motor or pedal.
#14
mikebike
quite a lot of motorcycle riders give us sensible riders a bad name.
Though I am certainly not disagreeing that there are plenty of idiotic car drivers out there, this is also true. I would say quite comfortably that the majority of motorcyclists that I come across are showing little regard for their own safety, be it breaking the speed limit, weaving in and out of traffic, or a handful of other examples. Now I am keen not to tar every motorcyclists with the same brush, because I am well aware that there are those who are sensible drivers. But as I said the majority that I come across are not, which in my opinion heavily contributes to this overall reputation that motorcyclists have. And when you cross that reputation with the plentiful amount of car drivers out there who are idiots irrespective of who is around them, that leads to things being unduly difficult for those sensible motorcyclists out there, especially those that are just starting out.
#15
ohdaesu
your probably one of those drivers who closes up gaps and moves to the centre white lines to stop motorcyclists filtering, just 'cus you can't beat the traffic jams


this made me laugh i hate people like that
#16
My ex was knocked off his motorbike last week, the driver of the car didn't stop. When the police caught up with him he admitted straight away that he knew what had happened but quite sincerely said he thought he was going too slow to have caused any real damage :o Both bike and ex were injured, not seriously but even so, you'd stop wouldnt you?!
banned#17
mikebike
Is it a 4 stroke? then yes as you do get condensation forming and it does help drain that away.


yes it is, thanks.

Crazy Jamie
be it breaking the speed limit, .


Sorry my speedometer is a little flaky I have to guess my speed :oops:

libEL
you'd stop wouldnt you?!


I wouldn't be able to sleep that night if I didn't, so I most definitely would.
#18
gog5y
think if u have been motorcyclist it makes u more aware as a car driver


Without doubt - I've seen suggestions that learner car drivers should have to pass a CBT as well which sounds over the top but I genuinely think learning to ride a bike has improved my car driving.

John
[helper]#19
Crazy Jamie
Though I am certainly not disagreeing that there are plenty of idiotic car drivers out there, this is also true. I would say quite comfortably that the majority of motorcyclists that I come across are showing little regard for their own safety, be it breaking the speed limit, weaving in and out of traffic, or a handful of other examples. Now I am keen not to tar every motorcyclists with the same brush, because I am well aware that there are those who are sensible drivers. But as I said the majority that I come across are not, which in my opinion heavily contributes to this overall reputation that motorcyclists have. And when you cross that reputation with the plentiful amount of car drivers out there who are idiots irrespective of who is around them, that leads to things being unduly difficult for those sensible motorcyclists out there, especially those that are just starting out.


There are some idiotic motorcyclists but I'd say the more ride sensibly than not. Unless you have ridden a motorcycle you won't know the capabilities of a bike eg acceleration and manourverability so how can you say for sure a bike isn't being ridden safely?

There is a greater proportion of bad drivers compared to bad motorcyclists mainly because the bad motorcyclists don't live very long...

libEL
My ex was knocked off his motorbike last week, the driver of the car didn't stop. When the police caught up with him he admitted straight away that he knew what had happened but quite sincerely said he thought he was going too slow to have caused any real damage :o Both bike and ex were injured, not seriously but even so, you'd stop wouldnt you?!

LOL - you'd think so wouldn't you? I was in slow moving traffic and hit a patch of ice and was trapped beneath the bike, the kind motorists drove around me......eventually I managed to wriggle free.
#20
libEL
My ex was knocked off his motorbike last week, the driver of the car didn't stop. When the police caught up with him he admitted straight away that he knew what had happened but quite sincerely said he thought he was going too slow to have caused any real damage :o Both bike and ex were injured, not seriously but even so, you'd stop wouldnt you?!


Glad to hear the old bill actually caught up with him, did they actually see it happen or something? The car driver was a fool from driving away, sadly this happens too often
#21
gari189
There are some idiotic motorcyclists but I'd say the more ride sensibly than not.
Admittedly this is all based on personal experience, but I always specifically notice when a motorcyclist is driving sensibly and within the speed limit. Sadly it doesn't happen very often. I don't know whether my experience is typical or not, but the clear majority of motorcyclists that I see are at the very least clearly breaking the speed limit.

gari189
Unless you have ridden a motorcycle you won't know the capabilities of a bike eg acceleration and manourverability so how can you say for sure a bike isn't being ridden safely?
Because whether or not a vehicle can physically complete a manoeuvre is only one aspect of whether that manoeuvre is safe. A motorcyclist weaving in and out of traffic may be able to complete the manoeuvre comfortably, but in doing so he is inherently increasing the risk of a car driver changing lines or similar without seeing him, which in my opinion is not safe or sensible irrespective of the capabilities of rider or bike. Besides which, breaking the speed limit is illegal whatever you're driving or riding, and indeed maneouvres such as weaving can be inherently illegal in any event. Driver skill or vehicle power does not affect the law; someone doing 100mph in top end car is not going to be given more leniency because that vehicle is more capable of reacting quickly if the need arises.

To be honest the question you pose has hints of a commonly held yet ignorant view when it comes to motorcyclists, namely that skill and ability can compensate for maneouvres that appear reckless. No doubt that has some truth on clear roads with no traffic around, but the primary risk to motorcyclists comes not from themselves, but other road users. Being a skilled rider does not heighten the reflexes of other drivers, nor indeed does it stop them from being idiotic. When riding a vehicle that inherently offers little protection in case of an accident, I would have thought that the sense of self preservation would dictate a cautious approach as to opposed to one that tries to dampen risks through the use of 'skill'. I'm not suggesting that you were saying that, but your question touched on that view, so I thought I'd deal with it.
#22
Matrixblade
Glad to hear the old bill actually caught up with him, did they actually see it happen or something? The car driver was a fool from driving away, sadly this happens too often


There were quite a few witnesses apparently, and number plate was taken :thumbsup:

I passed my driving test just under a year ago and nearly hit a motorcyclist on one of my lessons, he just seemed to appear out of nowhere but its made me extra cautious at junctions now. I also give them enough room to pass, although I'd have done that anyway as I like looking at their leather clad behinds :p
#23
gari189

LOL - you'd think so wouldn't you? I was in slow moving traffic and hit a patch of ice and was trapped beneath the bike, the kind motorists drove around me......eventually I managed to wriggle free.


That's actually pretty scary, I would have thought someone would have given you a hand. I was riding down a back road and pulled up, got off the bike and crossed the road to take a picture of the landscape and heard an big crunch behind me. Because the bike was slightly on an incline it had slipped of the stand (should have left it in gear) and fallen over. I tried to lift it but it was way too heavy for me to get it straight which left me somewhat stuffed as it was a quiet area with virtually no traffic. I was going to phone a friend to see if he could come out and give me a hand when a group of pedal cyclists going by stopped and came over to see if I was ok and if I needed a hand. They helped me lift the bike and I was back on my way and very grateful for their assistance - at least there are still some good people out there.

John
#24
Johnmcl7
I tried to lift it but it was way too heavy for me


John, time to start lifting weights
#25
I doubt I'll ever see the day when I can lift four times my own body weight...

John
#26
Johnmcl7
I doubt I'll ever see the day when I can lift four times my own body weight...

John


:lol:
#27
There are idiots on both sides

I learned to drive only in a car, and even then they dont give a toss when you are a learner.
I was a confident and decent driver when i started, and every crash i was ever near to was because of other idiots.

As my instructor said, "its not you that you have to worry about, its the other idiots on the road"
Totally true
banned#28
Crazy Jamie;8044098
Admittedly this is all based on personal experience, but I always specifically notice when a motorcyclist is driving sensibly and within the speed limit. Sadly it doesn't happen very often. I don't know whether my experience is typical or not, but the clear majority of motorcyclists that I see are at the very least clearly breaking the speed limit.

+1

Far higher percentage of really bad bike riders compared to car drivers in my experience
#29
pinkleponkle
I hate all cyclists be it motor or pedal.


This plus cats, dogs,and arsenal fans
#30
There are bad bikers has well has bad car drivers, i have seen a few in my time and been riding a bike for about 20years now.

But I still don't understand that although legal to pass down side of slow moving traffic do some car drivers still decide to do their best to move to the centre of the road to try and stop you getting past?

I hit an oil patch last year coming round a roundabout and though I was going to lose the bike completey, the lovely car drivers just decided to drive around me - luckily i stayed on
banned#31
As long as its not obviously my fault and I dont get done for it, I really don't care if I take one of those nutters on bikes out. The vast majority are utterly selfish ***heads.

Two sides and all that.
#32
vibeone
As long as its not obviously my fault and I dont get done for it, I really don't care if I take one of those nutters on bikes out. The vast majority are utterly selfish ***heads.

Two sides and all that.


if that's your attitude then you should not be on the roads - maybe you should try riding one and see how unaware car drivers actually are.
banned#33
I ride a bike and my advice - MAN UP!

Yes there are bad drivers, yes there are bad motorcyclists.

But you don't drive a bike because it's easy, or because it's any safer - you drive one because you think it's cool and you focus on that.

Stop moaning.
banned#34
andrpro
if that's your attitude then you should not be on the roads - maybe you should try riding one and see how unaware car drivers actually are.


I don't give a stuff what you think - I [B]am "on the roads", and in 8 years driving I've had zero accidents.

Thats hardly the point though is it - I couldn't give a stuff how "unaware" car drivers are, and I couldn't give a stuff about the pathetic government adverts on the subject either. When I'm driving down the motorway/twisty A road and bike after bike come flying past at double the speed limit, I think natural selection is working well here.

99% of bikers = complete idiots.[/B]
#35
20 years biking and 20 years driving no accidents - and i;m sure on a country road you have gone a little to fast as well?

Forgot people like you seem to own the roads and leave little room not only for bikers but also other car drivers. it takes a lot more skill to ride a bike than a car.

you should try it sometime - although better not has you probably have not mastered car driving yet
banned#36
andrpro
20 years biking and 20 years driving no accidents - and i;m sure on a country road you have gone a little to fast as well?

Forgot people like you seem to own the roads and leave little room not only for bikers but also other car drivers. it takes a lot more skill to ride a bike than a car.

you should try it sometime - although better not has you probably have not mastered car driving yet


typical biker response - bully boy tactics and utter utter bullshine :)
banned#37
vibeone
typical biker response - bully boy tactics and utter utter bullshine :)


Your knowledge of bikers seems to come entirely from Jeremy Clarkson - but on behalf of bikers, Im sowwy if any of us have bullied you or made you feel saddy waddy.
banned#38
FilthAndFurry
I ride a bike and my advice - MAN UP!

Yes there are bad drivers, yes there are bad motorcyclists.

But you don't drive a bike because it's easy, or because it's any safer - you drive one because you think it's cool and you focus on that.

Stop moaning.


I don't think its cool. I.ve started riding a bike because the government see fit to rape me of everyone of my hard earned pounds.
#39
I also drive a car and will now be giving motorcyclists the room they need to feel comfortable


This was your last sentence in your op. Does this mean that prior to you riding a bike you were one of those "damn car drivers" and did all the things you moan about in your op?
#40
vibeone
typical biker response - bully boy tactics and utter utter bullshine :)


not bully boy - you just blinkered and can only see what is in front of you

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