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1d, 1w agoPosted 1 decade, 1 week ago
Wahhhhh, I now got 6 points! Both for on the motorway.

So, can we have a general moan about scamera vans hiding behind the concrete pillars of bridges and taking no consideration to whats actually going on on the road!??!

I'll take it on the chin as be down to 3 points again soon as my previous are dropping off, but annoying thing was, 20 miles, had cruise on at 80mph all the way (in reality thats about 75mph due to the speedo always reading higher, anyone with sat nav will know that), take my opportunity to get passed a complete tool of a driver who kept careering from lane to lane, so use a bit of acceleration, bang, caught.

Now, if that had been a copper in a car behind me, he would have pulled over the car in front for dangerous driving....but not the van, van don't care about the lethal driver, only cares about making some money to save hsi poxy little job!

Ahh well.

But for any of you with current points on your licence, especially for motorways, time for a moan!

And, also, did anyone hear of the plans being pushed through parliment by another party to decrease motorway speed limits to 70kph....which is about 43mph? It's in the intrests of safety and using less fuel apparently.....43mph on the motorway!!!
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#1
Well, all i can say is, shouldnt have been speeding.
Im not critising, you know im not, but, shouldnt have been speeding end of.

I have no points, and intend to keep it that way :)

If, in the next 18 months i get 6 points, im out for the count, think yourself lucky your not on probation, or it'd be bye bye license!

If i was you, (and yes, its happened to me) id have just backed off away from the stupid driver.
When i get stuck behind someone stupid, i just back off a bit, then overtake and usually give a dirty look on the way past :giggle:
#2
Yeah, speeding is simply breaking the law. If you're gonna moan about getting caught...

It's silly really. People say "get rid of speed cameras" but really, you're STILL breaking the law. No one ever says "raise the speed limit to 80mph", simply "bloody speed cameras, get rid of them".
#3
I have a serious question for anyone reading this thread.

Has anyone ever known anyone get in trouble for being on there phone on the road?
#4
Yeah, the policeman came up and started knocking on the window which I thought was pretty rude as I hadn't finished my conversation!!

#5
Well the acceleration past means you put foot down at 80 to get past, so probably registered at 85-90? Van is stuck by the 10%+2 (so 80 generally OK given speed error -- and SatNav isnt necessarily that much more accurate (your not necessarily travelling in a straight line between points measured etc)) as cant make a decision on safety.

Having said that I dont think I've ever seen anything on a motorway, other than average cameras, and a few fixed cameras at roadworks and around heathrow? -- certainly no vans!
#6
BBC has some stats on Phone:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4313854.stm

i think its a point offence from sometime in december?
#7
PMSL!
Nah, im just wondering, as i see endless people on there phones, needs to be harsher penatlys i guess.
Im not going to pretend im an angel as i sometimes use my phone :oops:
But, never to have a full blown convo, if i was going to do that id pull over, i usually just say "driving, ring you back", but, im quite good at texting (NOTHING TO BRAG ABOUT!) so i dont sit looking at the screen as i know where the keys are :)
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ah hang on, sat nav measures speed with doppler shift not via distance between, so for a constant velocity its accuracy is to abotu 0.2%, which beats the legal limit of 10% over most manufacturers goto (avoid lawsuits etc). if your velocity is changing its less accurate, but i was wrong there anyway ;)
#9
Pardon?! Whoosh over my head!
#10
A guy at work got done £30 instant fine for using his mobile whilst driving the other day.
#11
grdesign
Wahhhhh, I now got 6 points! Both for on the motorway.

So, can we have a general moan about scamera vans hiding behind the concrete pillars of bridges and taking no consideration to whats actually going on on the road!??!

I'll take it on the chin as be down to 3 points again soon as my previous are dropping off, but annoying thing was, 20 miles, had cruise on at 80mph all the way (in reality thats about 75mph due to the speedo always reading higher, anyone with sat nav will know that), take my opportunity to get passed a complete tool of a driver who kept careering from lane to lane, so use a bit of acceleration, bang, caught.

Now, if that had been a copper in a car behind me, he would have pulled over the car in front for dangerous driving....but not the van, van don't care about the lethal driver, only cares about making some money to save hsi poxy little job!

Ahh well.

But for any of you with current points on your licence, especially for motorways, time for a moan!

And, also, did anyone hear of the plans being pushed through parliment by another party to decrease motorway speed limits to 70kph....which is about 43mph? It's in the intrests of safety and using less fuel apparently.....43mph on the motorway!!!


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#12
Joshanna
PMSL!
Nah, im just wondering, as i see endless people on there phones, needs to be harsher penatlys i guess.
Im not going to pretend im an angel as i sometimes use my phone :oops:
But, never to have a full blown convo, if i was going to do that id pull over, i usually just say "driving, ring you back", but, im quite good at texting (NOTHING TO BRAG ABOUT!) so i dont sit looking at the screen as i know where the keys are :)


Texting is even worse than using the phone - even if you're not needing to check the screen (which I think you're still going to need to do) you've still got one hand tied up texting.

I ignore my phone while driving, if I think it's something important I phone back when I've stopped, I'm surprised more people don't crash while using phones as the driving I've seen, especially around cities it worrying bad while using phones.

John
#13
just going back to the whole speeding thing is it true that the polices ability to do you for speeding expires 6 months from the date they caught you?

For example, I got caught speeding and got my notification though at my address (which I ignored) the following week i moved house and still not re-registered my vehicle at my current address (this was 7 months ago now) I didnt leave a forwarding address for my post so even if they sent something recorded delivery I couldnt be reached. Luckily I havent been pulled since i got flashed (by the camera that is) so has my offence expired?
#14
I don't answer my phone, but I have texted while driving. You don't need to look at the screen whilst texting, only to send it, which is the same time it would take you to look at your speedo or your mirrors !
#15
ChrisUK
I don't answer my phone, but I have texted while driving. You don't need to look at the screen whilst texting, only to send it, which is the same time it would take you to look at your speedo or your mirrors !


Agreed, i only look to see who to send it to, but usually, the person i text while driving is the lastperson i texted anyway so its in my phone memory so i dont even need to look for that....
#16
I hate those vans too, as you describe you were not driving dangerously and were speeding to get past a dodgy driver. The speed traps are a money making exercise, there are much more dangerous activities on the motorway that people get away with. The speed limit doesn't take into consideration the modern brakes/ handling of modern cars.
So far managed to avoid any points. fingers remain crossed.
#17
I only found out last night the speed limits were made in 1949 before cars could even do 70mph :shock:
#18
Whatever you do dont get one of those bluetooth headsets, they're more fiddly and you'll end up not taking it out of your ear and looking like one of those ****'s who wear it round the shopping centre on a saturday just waiting for someone to ring them.
#19
MinstrelMan
Whatever you do dont get one of those bluetooth headsets, they're more fiddly and you'll end up not taking it out of your ear and looking like one of those ****'s who wear it round the shopping centre on a saturday just waiting for someone to ring them.


I take it youve done that :giggle:
My phone is usually in my bag anyway, so i dont tend to hear it as my cd player is quite loud :giggle:
#20
I had one, got it free from e2save, cheap and nasty but I thought I'd give it ago becuase I used to drive between manchester and peterborough a lot, god they are a complete ball ache!


But i never understand why middle age men wear them while walking round town when they have their nokia's clipped to their belt stap anyway, sorry to sterotype middle age men, but they all wear check shirts tucked into their lee cooper jeans and have a brown belt.

WHY?
#21
Joshanna
I only found out last night the speed limits were made in 1949 before cars could even do 70mph :shock:


and before the roads were as congested as they are today.
#22
MinstrelMan
I had one, got it free from e2save, cheap and nasty but I thought I'd give it ago becuase I used to drive between manchester and peterborough a lot, god they are a complete ball ache!


But i never understand why middle age men wear them while walking round town when they have their nokia's clipped to their belt stap anyway, sorry to sterotype middle age men, but they all wear check shirts tucked into their lee cooper jeans and have a brown belt.

WHY?


Not be long till your joining that club :giggle:
#23
Texting is even more dangerous than talking on a mobile as it requires one hand to be constantly away from the wheel and takes a significant part of you concentration away from driving.
Joshanna, if you lose your licence in 18 months for 6 points, it means you only passed you test 6 months ago, in which case you're still a very inexperienced driver and should be giving the road your full attention - not texting people!!! .

End of morale rant.
#24
suchafunkymonkey
Texting is even more dangerous than talking on a mobile as it requires one hand to be constantly away from the wheel and takes a significant part of you concentration away from driving.
Joshanna, if you lose your licence in 18 months for 6 points, it means you only passed you test 6 months ago, in which case you're still a very inexperienced driver and should be giving the road your full attention - not texting people!!! .

End of morale rant.


Very correct :thumbsup:

But, i had a moped for a year, and then had driving lessons for 1 1/2 years (wasnt that i was incapable, just lazyness and fear of failing), so i think i have more road experiece than the average just passed driver :thumbsup:
#25
spudgun
I hate those vans too, as you describe you were not driving dangerously and were speeding to get past a dodgy driver. The speed traps are a money making exercise, there are much more dangerous activities on the motorway that people get away with. The speed limit doesn't take into consideration the modern brakes/ handling of modern cars.
So far managed to avoid any points. fingers remain crossed.


Thanks. I personally thought (and not because I was the one being the dangerous driver doing 85mph) that in all that, the person who was texting and cut me up, i..e pulled into my lane without indicating or looking as she was too interested in her phone was the one driving dangerously.

Either way I had to move, be it brake harshly with a van behind me, shunt her, or get into the outside lane where a car was coming pretty fast. So used a bit of acceleration.

I saved the bloke in the outside lane from getting caught probably, and the texter would have carried on regardless.

Thing is, it was 10 secs while I used my accelerator to increase the cruise contorl speed, as soon as I was passed I went back to crusing speed.

Then you get people telling you after all that that your the dangerous driver and you shouldn't be speeding! I wouldn't have been if it wasn't for the circumstances and if she had of checked her mirrors or indicated!

Shame though, as with most speeding crimes, non of them take into account anything apart from the speed, regardless of anything....unless your a copper testing your car :roll:
#26
suchafunkymonkey
Texting is even more dangerous than talking on a mobile as it requires one hand to be constantly away from the wheel and takes a significant part of you concentration away from driving.
Joshanna, if you lose your licence in 18 months for 6 points, it means you only passed you test 6 months ago, in which case you're still a very inexperienced driver and should be giving the road your full attention - not texting people!!! .

End of morale rant.


Shes not good at it and to back her up, don't do it often and I had a go. No point in her sending it and she don't look at the phone as you just get complete nonsense in a text.
#27
Sweetie, hang about just sending you a pm.
#28
grdesign
Thanks. I personally thought (and not because I was the one being the dangerous driver doing 85mph) that in all that, the person who was texting and cut me up, i..e pulled into my lane without indicating or looking as she was too interested in her phone was the one driving dangerously.

Either way I had to move, be it brake harshly with a van behind me, shunt her, or get into the outside lane where a car was coming pretty fast. So used a bit of acceleration.

I saved the bloke in the outside lane from getting caught probably, and the texter would have carried on regardless.

Thing is, it was 10 secs while I used my accelerator to increase the cruise contorl speed, as soon as I was passed I went back to crusing speed.

Then you get people telling you after all that that your the dangerous driver and you shouldn't be speeding! I wouldn't have been if it wasn't for the circumstances and if she had of checked her mirrors or indicated!

Shame though, as with most speeding crimes, non of them take into account anything apart from the speed, regardless of anything....unless your a copper testing your car :roll:


I wouldn't necessarily say you were driving dangerously, but you admit you were speeding which is what you have been penalised for.

The speed limit is 70mph, like it or not. Your cruise control was set to 80mph, so when you "went back to crusing speed" you were still breaking the speed limit, so your claim "I wouldn't have been if it wasn't for the circumstances" is clearly wrong.

[I know you will say, but 80mph is really only 75mph, which is within x% of 70mph etc, but that is really just trying to justify driving faster than the nominal 70mph speed limit, and if you operate on such a fine line you are bound to cross it from time to time]

If your cruise control wasn't set to 80mph, perhaps you would not have had to brake so sharply, would have had time to react differently etc etc. Of course it is highly likely that the majority of the traffic was also travelling at 80mph+ if the road was clear which does make it harder to keep to 70mph as you go with the flow of the traffic.

It does annoy me when you are driving on the motorway at a constant speed with freely flowing traffic and then the red lighs glow in front of you as people slow down to pass a speed trap, and then accelerate back to their previous speed. The camera has created a hazard in these circumstances. I think going through road works they are used to greater effect.

The majority of people moderate there speed and don't drive much faster than 80mph I would say. If the speed limit was changed to 80mph, would people then push there speeds to 90mph? I find it much more annoying to see people using their phones, and reading maps while driving.

Clearly the other person was being irresponsible and the camera doesn't take any of this into consideration, so I do sympothise a bit there but you cannot justify breaking the speed limit and hence the law of the land based on the actions of another person.
#29
Joshanna

But, i had a moped for a year, and then had driving lessons for 1 1/2 years (wasnt that i was incapable, just lazyness and fear of failing), so i think i have more road experiece than the average just passed driver :thumbsup:


I wouldn't say having a moped makes anyone a better driver given what I see on the roads every day! When travelling back from Manchester a moped over took me and he must have been doing over 90MPH. Impressive for the machine, but a very stupid thing to do as the moped isn't as heavy as a proper bike and would be lifting at that speed.

A few points worth mentioning:
1, The speed limit on a motorway of 70Mph was introduced in 1965 not 1949 and was introduced in response to a fuel shortage - nothing to do with safety.

2, There have been numerous calls to increase the speed to 80mph on a motorway, but they have never gotten very far due to projected problems with enforcement.

3, Last year Ireland went from MPH to KPH speed limits with a 70MPH limit changing to a 120KPH limit which is equivalent to 74.5MPH - enough to get you (and my brother in law) fined. If they were actually bothered about speed from a saftey perspective, it would be 110 or 115KPH.
#30
suchafunkymonkey
I wouldn't say having a moped makes anyone a better driver given what I see on the roads every day!


I wouldnt say it makes me a better driver, but, it gave me road experience.
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Joshanna
But, i had a moped for a year, and then had driving lessons for 1 1/2 years (wasnt that i was incapable, just lazyness and fear of failing), so i think i have more road experiece than the average just passed driver :thumbsup:


Most new drivers think they are well above average standard though, its the over confidence of youth. But look at the accident rates for new drivers.

You may have more road experieince than the average just passed driver, but that is still a lot less experieince than the vast majority of drivers you will be sharing the road with.

The trouble is, in the vast majority of cases you get away without having an accident, trough luck, skill, or the skill of others around you. However, it only takes one instant for things to change possibly resulting in a fatal accident, for others or yourself. There are not many phone calls that are THAT urgent for the average person. If temptation is too great, turn it off, put it in the boot. I know if my phone goes off when I am driving I am tempted to take a quick peek to see who it is, so its best switch off.
#32
suchafunkymonkey
Texting is even more dangerous than talking on a mobile as it requires one hand to be constantly away from the wheel and takes a significant part of you concentration away from driving.
Joshanna, if you lose your licence in 18 months for 6 points, it means you only passed you test 6 months ago, in which case you're still a very inexperienced driver and should be giving the road your full attention - not texting people!!! .

End of morale rant.


There are more experienced road users who do give the road their full attention yet they are much more dangerous either through being oblivious to whats going on around them (tend to be the older generation) or drivers who are just plain ignorant.

The date someone passed their test doesnt make them any less a good driver, for example only passed my car test 2 years ago (i also had a moped before that - 2 years) becuase I've only just come out of my probationary period some might say im still inexperienced, but in these 2 years I've done over 61000 miles. Ok I agree you shouldnt be texting but your arguement of saying someone who is "inexperienced" should give the road their full attention is way off the mark, they are no more likily to have an accident than someone who has been driving 20 years while texting.
#33
MinstrelMan
There are more experienced road users who do give the road their full attention yet they are much more dangerous either through being oblivious to whats going on around them (tend to be the older generation) or drivers who are just plain ignorant.

The date someone passed their test doesnt make them any less a good driver, for example only passed my car test 2 years ago (i also had a moped before that - 2 years) becuase I've only just come out of my probationary period some might say im still inexperienced, but in these 2 years I've done over 61000 miles. Ok I agree you shouldnt be texting but your arguement of saying someone who is "inexperienced" should give the road their full attention is way off the mark, they are no more likily to have an accident than someone who has been driving 20 years while texting.


Isn't it obvious that EVERYONE, experieinced or not, should be giving the road their full attention?
#34
I think having a moped before driving a car gives LOADS of experience. Bike riders have so many more things to look out for, including potchole covers where they can lose grip in an instance.
#35
Im not saying they shouldnt. Infact haven't i just said the exact opposite?

The argument was that Joshana should be giving the road her full attention becuase she is an inexperienced driver, but I say compared to someone who has been driving a number of years she is no more likely to have an accident if they are both using their phones.
#36
grdesign
I think having a moped before driving a car gives LOADS of experience. Bike riders have so many more things to look out for, including potchole covers where they can lose grip in an instance.


As well as ignorant car drivers who purposefully try and change lanes so they aren't passed by something they look down upon.
#37
erics gave my reply before I could.

Everyone should give the road their full attention, not just new drivers. When you start to think you are experienced enough to be doing something else while driving, you start to become dangerous.
#38
Im not going to get in an argument on this thread, before i was able to drive on my own, id had a years worth of moped'ing, and then 1 1/2 years worth of driving with someone in the car.

I consider myself a VERY safe driver, after all, i have a 2 year old in the car, id never do anything to put him at risk - EVER, which is why i simply dont speed.

I dont hold my hands up and say im perfect in my driving, far from.
But, at some point EVERY SINGLE driver has broke the law.

My mum, been driving 22 years, never had a ticket,accident or a parking fine etc.
BUT, SHE SPEEDS, TEXTS AND CALLS WHILE DRIVING.

I dont think im above average at all, but i must be a good enough driver to have passed :thumbsup:

Im not preaching to anyone, as i myself break the law while driving. But i wouldnt say im a crap driver, far from.
#39
MinstrelMan
As well as ignorant car drivers who purposefully try and change lanes so they aren't passed by something they look down upon.


Been waiting for someone to say this :thumbsup:
As im female, and driving a metro, the amount of "blokes" who HATE being overtook by me is unreal.

I stick to the legal limits, i dont go over, but if someone is doing 50mph on a 70mph road, yes i will overtake.

The amount of blokes (and im not stereotyping as women have done it to me too, just tends to be blokes and there egos) who have had to speed up and re-overtake me is pathetic.
#40
The statements "Very safe driver" and "text/use a phone while driving" are mutually exclusive.

This goes back to the over confidence statement. You seem to think you can still be a safe driver while breaking a road safety law.

You're right, there's no point in arguing as if people actually realised it was unsafe to use a phone while driving, they wouldn't have needed to bring in a law in the first place and then upgrade the punishment to points because "safe drivers" still ignored it.

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