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David Davis says UK will stay open to migrants after leaving EU

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-davis-migrants-brexit-workers-eu-uk-stay-open-immigration-years-latest-a7592616.html If I was a leave supporter who voted primarily over immigra… Read More
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3m, 4w agoPosted 3 months, 4 weeks ago
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-davis-migrants-brexit-workers-eu-uk-stay-open-immigration-years-latest-a7592616.html

If I was a leave supporter who voted primarily over immigration I'd be mightily riled.

David Davis has risked angering Brexit voters after admitting the UK will not suddenly shut the door on workers coming in from the EU.

The Brexit Secretary said it could take “years and years” for Britain to fill all the jobs that would otherwise have been done by EU immigrants coming to the UK to work.

His comments were apparently aimed at calming fears in Europe of a sudden shift in policy that might affect EU citizens in the UK, but drew angry comments from Leave campaigners who said their referendum victory was based on a promise of falling immigration.

Speaking on a visit to Estonia, Mr Davis said: “In the hospitality sector, hotels and restaurants, in the social-care sector, working in agriculture, it will take time. It will be years and years before we get British citizens to do those jobs.

“Don’t expect just because we’re changing who makes the decision on the policy, the door will suddenly shut – it won’t.”
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Most Brexiteers want the Aussie Style immigration not Open Doors immigration for unskilled workers and benefit surfers
6 Likes
lendu
It's there a possibility that the brexit can be over rulled? If so maybe he's saying it to crap people up? No?


I'm sure some some of the straw clutchers would like to think that.

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Most Brexiteers want the Aussie Style immigration not Open Doors immigration for unskilled workers and benefit surfers
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davewave
Most Brexiteers want the Aussie Style immigration not Open Doors immigration for unskilled workers and benefit surfers


yes I agree that we don't want unskilled workers or those that are using free NHS or benefits..but those who earn are welcome
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realistically he is saying different things to different people, he knows he has to try to keep all sides happy leading up to negotiations.
no news really.
#4
It's there a possibility that the brexit can be over rulled? If so maybe he's saying it to crap people up? No?
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lendu
It's there a possibility that the brexit can be over rulled? If so maybe he's saying it to crap people up? No?


I'm sure some some of the straw clutchers would like to think that.
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lendu
It's there a possibility that the brexit can be over rulled? If so maybe he's saying it to crap people up? No?
yes and no
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Unskilled workers pay taxes. But 1/3 of British citizens won't work in fields for £7.20 they live for taxes (benefits).
banned#8
so I won't get a Drs appointments for a few years now.
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Mogolent
Unskilled workers pay taxes. But 1/3 of British citizens won't work in fields for £7.20 they live for taxes (benefits).
How much taxes average per person? How much working tax credit per person? How much child benefit per person?
"For 1/3 of British citizens won't work in field for £7.20" ,this is a bold statement. Do you have similar statements for Poland, Czech rep, Hungary, Slovakia....? (Like what fraction of Polish citizens won't work in the field in Poland for €x/hour etc..). Do you have a figure on how many Czech in Czech Rep are not salaried people in Poland? (Poland, Czech are just two examples of 28 EU countries that I have typed here. In general , if you make a bold statement about British you need to do comparative examples with other EU countries. If every country has about 1/3 of its citizens who won't work in the fields then I cannot see what point you are trying to make for the British?!)


Edited By: splender on Feb 22, 2017 16:16: added text
1 Like #10
I can't wait to see the brexit supporters having to line up for visas to go abroad in the future.
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lendu
It's there a possibility that the brexit can be over rulled? If so maybe he's saying it to crap people up? No?
In or out of EU has never been a major issue, the major issue by far is the factors internally in UK, viz, factors which drive what could people make and sell in quality and in quantities. It has always been like this since WW2, EU (or EEC) has always been a tietiary effect as driver to efficiency and performance (EU is more of an enabler facility).
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E.g. EU makes a trade deal with a country for sales of motor vehicles in return for xxxx. So EU has faciliated the export of motor vehicles. Then the countries have to be in the making of motor vehicles to win. Therefore the primary driver is always with the workers and the management in each country to make the motor vehicles. If they are bone idle and make no cars, the EU is not going to teach you and hold your hands too much to do this.
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stoney73
I can't wait to see the brexit supporters having to line up for visas to go abroad in the future.
Everyone is required to get a visa to go abroad anyway unless it is "waivered", so this is no change whether there is Brexit or not. E.g. you get visa waiver to USA, Australia, Canada, Thailand, Japan.. for about 30-90 days. Post exit, this arrangement may apply anyway within Europe.
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samyousaf
davewave
Most Brexiteers want the Aussie Style immigration not Open Doors immigration for unskilled workers and benefit surfers

yes I agree that we don't want unskilled workers or those that are using free NHS or benefits..but those who earn are welcome
What jobs are unskilled? If after advertising for 500 toilet cleaners and only 50 British applied for these low paid jobs, then what are you going to propose that we should do? (Would you up the hourly rate until it is high enough to fill all the 500 posts? Or what would you propose to do? Same questions too for picking cabbage at 04:00am each morning for 12 hours per day, how much would you pay...to fill 10,000 market gardening jobs, do you know?)
1 Like #14
davewave
Most Brexiteers want the Aussie Style immigration not Open Doors immigration for unskilled workers and benefit surfers
We have point based immigration systems now, have been around for years (but did not apply to those countries we had agreed not to apply to in reciprocation). There is no Open Door immigration today, everyone is checked at customs, go to the airport and ports and see this happening. Only those allowed in is allowed in, period. It is open door for some became it is open door in both directions, I "open the door for you" and "you open the door for me". There is no open door one-way, never was and never will be.
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LOL, so it was just a dog and pony show after all. They used people's natural hatred to slash the value of the pound and make the dumb majority even poorer...a slik move indeed, because in reality nothing else changes.
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upset.brown.pant
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-davis-migrants-brexit-workers-eu-uk-stay-open-immigration-years-latest-a7592616.html
If I was a leave supporter who voted primarily over immigration I'd be mightily riled.
David Davis has risked angering Brexit voters after admitting the UK will not suddenly shut the door on workers coming in from the EU.
The Brexit Secretary said it could take “years and years” for Britain to fill all the jobs that would otherwise have been done by EU immigrants coming to the UK to work.
His comments were apparently aimed at calming fears in Europe of a sudden shift in policy that might affect EU citizens in the UK, but drew angry comments from Leave campaigners who said their referendum victory was based on a promise of falling immigration.
Speaking on a visit to Estonia, Mr Davis said: “In the hospitality sector, hotels and restaurants, in the social-care sector, working in agriculture, it will take time. It will be years and years before we get British citizens to do those jobs.
“Don’t expect just because we’re changing who makes the decision on the policy, the door will suddenly shut – it won’t.”
You need to read history between WW1 and WW2 and since.
There will always be emigration and immigration, this is the reality. UK politicians have to open for migrants, so that British can find countries abroad open to them as migrants.
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The only regimes thus far in the 20th and 21st centuries which shut the door for migrants have been regimes like fascism, communism or other dictatorships.
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What else would you expect David Davis to say other than the obvious which is everyone welcomes reciprocation of migrants.
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shadey12
realistically he is saying different things to different people, he knows he has to try to keep all sides happy leading up to negotiations.
no news really.
No politician would shaft foreigners in case they shaft us in return, so everyone does reciprocation of favours. I scratch your back and you scratch mine, aka, negotiation, blindingly simple.

Edited By: splender on Feb 22, 2017 16:40
1 Like #18
splender
shadey12
realistically he is saying different things to different people, he knows he has to try to keep all sides happy leading up to negotiations.
no news really.
No politician would shaft foreigners in case they shaft us in return, so everyone does reciprocation of favours. I scratch your back and you scratch mine, aka, negotiation, blindingly simple.


exactly, its just a non story to wind people up. looks like it's working though.
#19
stoney73
I can't wait to see the brexit supporters having to line up for visas to go abroad in the future.

I got an idea, why dont we open our borders up to the whole world, then we wont need to get a visa to enter any country.
/s
#20
fps_d0minat0r
stoney73
I can't wait to see the brexit supporters having to line up for visas to go abroad in the future.

I got an idea, why dont we open our borders up to the whole world, then we wont need to get a visa to enter any country.
/s


thats been the unofficial policy for years
#21
fps_d0minat0r
stoney73
I can't wait to see the brexit supporters having to line up for visas to go abroad in the future.
I got an idea, why dont we open our borders up to the whole world, then we wont need to get a visa to enter any country.
/s
We have this today, it is called United States of America. Their world is between the east coast and the west coast. In order to have a larger one still globally, United Nations, I am afraid this is still in dream phase.
4 Likes #22
stoney73
I can't wait to see the brexit supporters having to line up for visas to go abroad in the future.


did you never travel to Greece before they joined? I could see no difference before or after. Turkey, Tunisia, Egypt, Australia, Caribbean, Mexico, Thailand, Cyprus, America, Canada just off the top of my head the worst to get in was America but never had to line up for a visa. the remainers seem to believe it will be like trying to get into north Korea after brexit.
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It means an end to free health care for the whole of the EU, as well as a benefits free for all for the unskilled and unneeded, an end to housing every needy migrant looking for a nice place to call home, and along with that, the billions spent on Housing Benefit which only fills the pockets of the rich and further fuels a crazy housing boom.

Doom and gloom? Where's that? Oh, you mean in the cities across Europe, the same cities who will shortly follow our lead ..out.

Already the housing bubble is collapsing in London, with prices falling like a groupee's skirt at a One Direction reunion tour.

As that news spreads across the country (house prices not a One Direction reunion), investors will soon begin jumping ship. A mess not created by Brexit, but merely one hastened by its result... and a result needed and hastened by the mess.
#24
He's in Estonia, if he wanted to leave the country alive, obviously he would have said sweet words
#25
coathanger
It means an end to free health care for the whole of the EU, as well as a benefits free for all for the unskilled and unneeded, an end to housing every needy migrant looking for a nice place to call home, and along with that, the billions spent on Housing Benefit which only fills the pockets of the rich and further fuels a crazy housing boom.
Doom and gloom? Where's that? Oh, you mean in the cities across Europe, the same cities who will shortly follow our lead ..out.
Already the housing bubble is collapsing in London, with prices falling like a groupee's skirt at a One Direction reunion tour.
As that news spreads across the country (house prices not a One Direction reunion), investors will soon begin jumping ship. A mess not created by Brexit, but merely one hastened by its result... and a result needed and hastened by the mess.

Do you have figures on that? Not challenging you as I have no contradictory information to offer just genuinely interested.
If the London property market has stalled I wouldn't see that as a downward trend.
London property has always been of finite supply so rises in price in the long run.
I have no figures for that either but observing over the last 30 years it always goes up.
#26
Off topic: We have snow on the screen? I thought that was only at christmas. What's going on?
It's a bit distracting......
3 Likes #27
pickledtink
coathanger
It means an end to free health care for the whole of the EU, as well as a benefits free for all for the unskilled and unneeded, an end to housing every needy migrant looking for a nice place to call home, and along with that, the billions spent on Housing Benefit which only fills the pockets of the rich and further fuels a crazy housing boom.
Doom and gloom? Where's that? Oh, you mean in the cities across Europe, the same cities who will shortly follow our lead ..out.
Already the housing bubble is collapsing in London, with prices falling like a groupee's skirt at a One Direction reunion tour.
As that news spreads across the country (house prices not a One Direction reunion), investors will soon begin jumping ship. A mess not created by Brexit, but merely one hastened by its result... and a result needed and hastened by the mess.
Do you have figures on that? Not challenging you as I have no contradictory information to offer just genuinely interested.
If the London property market has stalled I wouldn't see that as a downward trend.
London property has always been of finite supply so rises in price in the long run.
I have no figures for that either but observing over the last 30 years it always goes up.
I think that most of what was in that post is wishful thinking by a blinkered Brexiter.

I'm prepared to be proved wrong but I doubt that there is much evidence to support any of those views.
#28
pickledtink
Off topic: We have snow on the screen? I thought that was only at christmas. What's going on?
It's a bit distracting......
It's December the 24th, Christmas eve 2017. You've been in a coma. Welcome back.
#29
CookinBat
pickledtink
Off topic: We have snow on the screen? I thought that was only at christmas. What's going on?
It's a bit distracting......
It's December the 24th, Christmas eve 2017. You've been in a coma. Welcome back.

Well that's a relief. Thought I was losing the plot there for a minute.
#30
"In the hospitality sector, hotels and restaurants, in the social-care sector, working in agriculture"

Migrants have done those jobs for years and before them students and I don't see any reference to free movement.
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pickledtink
coathanger
It means an end to free health care for the whole of the EU, as well as a benefits free for all for the unskilled and unneeded, an end to housing every needy migrant looking for a nice place to call home, and along with that, the billions spent on Housing Benefit which only fills the pockets of the rich and further fuels a crazy housing boom.
Doom and gloom? Where's that? Oh, you mean in the cities across Europe, the same cities who will shortly follow our lead ..out.
Already the housing bubble is collapsing in London, with prices falling like a groupee's skirt at a One Direction reunion tour.
As that news spreads across the country (house prices not a One Direction reunion), investors will soon begin jumping ship. A mess not created by Brexit, but merely one hastened by its result... and a result needed and hastened by the mess.
Do you have figures on that? Not challenging you as I have no contradictory information to offer just genuinely interested.
If the London property market has stalled I wouldn't see that as a downward trend.
London property has always been of finite supply so rises in price in the long run.
I have no figures for that either but observing over the last 30 years it always goes up.
You don't ask for evidence after hearing a sermon!
#32
Inb4 These job losses and financial woes were going to happen anyway/it's the government's fault
#33
pickledtink
Off topic: We have snow on the screen? I thought that was only at christmas. What's going on?
It's a bit distracting......
It is a world gone mad
a bit like some of the comments on this thread
#34
Rom
Inb4 These job losses and financial woes were going to happen anyway/it's the government's fault


have I missed something, I thought the thread was about migrants into hard to fill jobs,
#35
shadey12
Rom
Inb4 These job losses and financial woes were going to happen anyway/it's the government's fault
have I missed something, I thought the thread was about migrants into hard to fill jobs,
Hasn't happened yet, principle of Inb4 ;)
#36
Rom
shadey12
Rom
Inb4 These job losses and financial woes were going to happen anyway/it's the government's fault
have I missed something, I thought the thread was about migrants into hard to fill jobs,
Hasn't happened yet, principle of Inb4 ;)


unlikely to on this thread.
1 Like #37
stoney73
I can't wait to see the brexit supporters having to line up for visas to go abroad in the future.

hah yes. jokes on them! i'm never leaving glorious albion. who in their right mind would ever want to leave this sceptred isle.

this is sarcasm
2 Likes #38
shasnir
Lords vote AGAINST Britain keeping single market access
Peers voted by 299 to 136, majority 163, against an amendment to the Brexit Bill demanding the UK retains membership of the European single market.
There will most certainly be some real tears on here, Await the barage of insults.
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shauneco
shasnir
Lords vote AGAINST Britain keeping single market access
Peers voted by 299 to 136, majority 163, against an amendment to the Brexit Bill demanding the UK retains membership of the European single market.
There will most certainly be some real tears on here, Await the barage of insults.

It's all your fault Shaun... X)
#40
upset.brown.pant
stoney73
I can't wait to see the brexit supporters having to line up for visas to go abroad in the future.
hah yes. jokes on them! i'm never leaving glorious albion. who in their right mind would ever want to leave this sceptred isle.
this is sarcasm

So he said in the future we are still going to make those cruddy low paid backbreaking jobs like fruit picking available to foreign workers. Jobs that have traditionally been filled by immigrants. Victory for unscrupulous employers.
This is not sarcasm.

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