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Death crash fireman found guilty of careless driving - agree or disagree...

holly100 Avatar
8y, 5m agoPosted 8 years, 5 months ago
its a shame guy died ....but fireman was on emergency - technically guilty - morally part of his job


A firefighter has been found guilty of careless driving following the death of a man whose car was struck by a fire truck answering a 999 call.

Garry Trotter, 41, from Bo'ness, was convicted at Falkirk Sheriff Court of running a red light at speed and failing to give way.

The fire engine hit a car being driven by John McIntosh in Bo'ness last May.

Trotter, who has been a firefighter for 17 years, was given six penalty points and fined £750.
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8y, 5m agoPosted 8 years, 5 months ago
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#2
did the man that died move out the way? I personally believe we're obliged to move out of the way for emergency vehicles. I think he should be found not guilty... (has he or is it going on?! :oops:)


ah, guilty. At least he wasn't put in prison.
#3
as a firefighter myself and a driver of fire engines i would disagree but i may be biast i suppose tho he could be at fault as all red lights have to be treated as give ways and you have to make sure all drivers have seen you and have stopped
#4
Its a tough one because if this ruling causes all firefighters to drive slower etc more people could die from the fires they are getting to.
#5
the driver of the car was deaf - didnt hear sirens - i would have thought he would be more vigilant and have seen others drivers moving out the way - that guy now has a criminal conviction - could jeopardise his job
#6
holly100
the driver of the car was deaf - didnt hear sirens - i would have thought he would be more vigilant and have seen others drivers moving out the way - that guy now has a criminal conviction - could jeopardise his job


it's not like he's blind. If he was looking in his rear view mirror etc he would have seen a big red vehicle surely?! :whistling:
#7
Any driver has a duty of care to other road users regardless of their profession.
banned#8
Gazbert
Any driver has a duty of care to other road users regardless of their profession.


I agree
banned#9
yimmie;2695598
it's not like he's blind. If he was looking in his rear view mirror etc he would have seen a big red vehicle surely?! :whistling:

The dead driver was going through a green light so how would looking in his mirror have helped seeing as the fire engine came from a 90 degree angle? :roll:

I didnt think fire engines were allowed to go above the speed limit but not sure really.

Lets just hope it wasnt just another hoax call like so many fools do these days.
#10
Any emergency service driver that drives through a set of traffic lights on red at 40mph is a disaster waiting to happen. We have to treat them as we would a give way sign. Slowing down to ensure it is safe to proceed only takes a few seconds. Whereas causing an accident stops that appliance from proceeding to the fire call and another appliance then has to be sent to that call adding vital minutes to the arrival time. Slowing down at red lights is a must in my book, its not worth the risk to myself, the rest of the crew or the people waiting for us to turn up.
#11
Have blue lights and two tone sirens does not entiltle you to break any road laws.. When responding to an emergeny you are get there as quickly as you can safely... It was years ago when I done a EFAD's(emergency fire appliance driving) course and driven a fire engine but the sort of things that some motorists do is shocking and all very different...
#12
edna_clouds
Have blue lights and two tone sirens does not entiltle you to break any road laws.. When responding to an emergeny you are get there as quickly as you can safely... It was years ago when I done a EFAD's(emergency fire appliance driving) course and driven a fire engine but the sort of things that some motorists do is shocking and all very different...

are you in the service now
#13
Firefighter999
Any emergency service driver that drives through a set of traffic lights on red at 40mph is a disaster waiting to happen. We have to treat them as we would a give way sign. Slowing down to ensure it is safe to proceed only takes a few seconds. Whereas causing an accident stops that appliance from proceeding to the fire call and another appliance then has to be sent to that call adding vital minutes to the arrival time. Slowing down at red lights is a must in my book, its not worth the risk to myself, the rest of the crew or the people waiting for us to turn up.
where you stationed at
#14
ding
are you in the service now


Not now.... I was retired about 10 years ago after I had a accident.. Had to have a operation on my foot when a section of roof came down on me.. FS said that my foot was not strong enough to do ladder work safely.. I was only retained..
#15
I was only retained
still do the same job as the whole time tho, do you miss it.?
#16
ding
still do the same job as the whole time tho, do you miss it.?


Big time bud..... I was in for 8/9 years and had some really good times.. I have never been told that I'm retired though.. Still got my alerter and all sort of fire service thinks still at home.. It's probably all out of date now.. At the time I was off injured the fir service went through major changes here and I think I got forgotton about.. It went from Powys fire service to Mid and West wales..... I think... :oops:
banned#17
you still got your uniform edna?
#18
When I was part of a green goddess crew we just went full whack everywhere, the again we always had a police escort with the lights and sirens on in front of us
#19
sassie
you still got your uniform edna?


Yeah..... You wanna try it on?;-)
banned#20
edna_clouds
Yeah..... You wanna try it on?;-)


only if your wearing it;-)
#21
RedIron
When I was part of a green goddess crew we just went full whack everywhere, the again we always had a police escort with the lights and sirens on in front of us

they only go about 10 mph any way and would of probbably fallen to pieces if it hit anything
#22
ding
they only go about 10 mph any way and would of probbably fallen to pieces if it hit anything


You'd be surprised they're old but could do about 50mph, some have been refitted an can do about 70

The only problem was they are badly designed so if you corner too fast in them you'll tip it over,
#23
RedIron
You'd be surprised they're old but could do about 50mph, some have been refitted an can do about 70

The only problem was they are badly designed so if you corner too fast in them you'll tip it over,


if you corner too fast in them you'll tip it over
bad times !
#24
RedIron
You'd be surprised they're old but could do about 50mph, some have been refitted an can do about 70

The only problem was they are badly designed so if you corner too fast in them you'll tip it over,

did you provide cover during the strikes ?
#25
ding
did you provide cover during the strikes ?


Yeah I did, I was only a back up crew though as I hadn't been in the Navy for long at that point. I got a few call outs though but nothing major. The worst was a car fire in a field.
#26
sassie
only if your wearing it;-)



It can be arranged sass..:thumbsup:

ding
they only go about 10 mph any way and would of probbably fallen to pieces if it hit anything


I remember the apliance we had when I first joined.. It was petrol,and had no baffles in the water tank.. You hit any corner at anything more than 20 mph and you was holding on for dear life.. :)
#27
RedIron
Yeah I did, I was only a back up crew though as I hadn't been in the Navy for long at that point. I got a few call outs though but nothing major. The worst was a car fire in a field.

cool :thumbsup:
#28
edna_clouds
I remember the apliance we had when I first joined.. It was petrol,and had no baffles in the water tank.. You hit any corner at anything more than 20 mph and you was holding on for dear life.. :)

glad to say ours are a bit better now :thumbsup:

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